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  • Chris, it's a Friday night.

  • We're in the center of Manchester Town over having a pretty good not like where else?

  • Better to bay now launch off a Labour leadership candidate?

  • Well, a couple of 100 people here seem to think that Rebecca Long Bay, this is the hottest ticket in town.

  • Emily Thornberry also launched her campaign both and putting out their pitches.

  • However, as is often the case for these sorts of races, what they're finding out today is that the story of the day this was over.

  • Seducing isn't what was said today, but think that was said in the past, that a suddenly come out and that's precisely what we're back along, Bailey has discovered today the race for the Labour leadership is heating up.

  • This weekend, the five candidates will go head to head in the first hostages of the campaign, a crucial moment, and there are already accusations of dirty tricks.

  • Rebecca Long Bailey's official campaign launch tonight was seen by some as a reset on opportunity to try and project a more optimistic image.

  • Instead, it's been overshadowed off the comments she made about abortion during last December's general election campaign have resurfaced.

  • Miss Long Bailey, who was a Catholic, appeared to suggest a threshold for abortion on the grounds of disability should be changed when asked by representatives off soften Catholic Cathedral, she said it is currently legal to terminate a pregnancy up to full term on the grounds of disability, while the upper limit is 24 weeks if there is no disability.

  • I personally do not agree with this position and agree with the words off the Disability Rights Commission that the context in which parents choose whether to have a child should be one in which disability and non disability are valued equally long Bailey spokesperson said.

  • It was a personal view, not a policy position on that, she quote support a woman's right to choose, but it's led to the other candidates.

  • Speaking out on the issue.

  • The shadow foreign secretary, who is also launching her leadership campaign tonight in her hometown of Guilford, highlighted her support for abortion to be decriminalized in Northern Ireland as part of her pit to be party leader.

  • Since coming into parliament 15 years ago, I have again been on the front line in the fights against the climate emergency Universal credit The anti abortion laws in Northern Ireland.

  • I've led the charge is Foreign section shadow, Foreign Secretary against Donald Trump and the war in Yemen.

  • On the two years that I shadowed Boris Johnson as foreign secretary, I showed up on every time I showed him up to be the lying, reckless Charlotte that he is.

  • Yeah, Theo Phillips, who has a long track record of campaigning on abortion, ward against policy based on religious views, person's personal politic political journey.

  • It should be about the people in their country and their religious views absolutely are welcomed that they are about their own personal decisions and should not enter into how we legislate for everybody in our country.

  • While Long Bailey was having to clarify her position, her main leadership rival, Secure Starmer, campaigning in Yorkshire, echoed the other candidates.

  • I think the law on abortion needs to be changed.

  • It's been in place for many, many years, and I don't think women should be criminalized for seeking an abortion.

  • So I want to see this reviewed and changed on.

  • I want this scene as a health issue, not a criminal or issue a new poll of party members tonight suggests Rebecca Long Bailey has fallen further behind Starmer in the leadership race for her team Tonight Speech where she'll attack the quote.

  • Gentleman's club of politics can't come soon enough, According to a new poll out tonight, the person they're all waiting for.

  • Rebecca Long Bailey is one of the front runners, but in second place, a YouGov poll for The Times has kissed Armor, holding its 63% Rebecca Long Bailey at 37%.

  • It might be a bit early to write Rebecca Long Bailey off just yet.

  • This is a long campaign.

  • 11 weeks.

  • There are a dozen hostages on the labor membership.

  • Tend to change your mind based on those hostages.

  • I spoke to Rebecca Lowe Bailey look earlier on asking about her chances of success, but I asked, but I started by asking her to clarify her position on abortion.

  • I unequivocally support a woman's right to choose and all of the policies in the last Labour Manifesto, and it will be 24 hours ago.

  • I'm honest the limit of the members 24 weeks, but for disabled Children, for situations where the mother might be in danger, do you support that I do indeed.

  • And the point that I was making to my constituents was that there were comments that were made by Disability Rights Commission about concerns that the way the disabled community would feel and how that this was portrayed on those views need to be taken into account.

  • What soon?

  • There wasn't by no means suggesting that we need to restrict are abortion laws further.

  • So where do you think these hacks have been coming for?

  • Does it feel like this has been weaponized against you?

  • Well, I mean, I wouldn't like to balloon Thio.

  • Any Machiavellian plans have been going on.

  • What is it?

  • It's been quite suspicious.

  • Yeah, they've been certain new sources that perpetrated this misrepresentation over the last 24 hours.

  • But do you think there's a possibility that it might be one other camps that I'm not?

  • I'm not saying that at all.

  • I'm not saying that at all.

  • You gave Jeremy Corbyn a 10 out of 10 for his performance.

  • You've been a central figure off the Labour leadership over the last few years.

  • The leadership, then later the past that led the party to one of its worst to its west result in decades.

  • Why would you be a good person to now lead the party while I was asked about why four of Jeremy and I always supported Jeremy because he was a decent, honorable, kind man and he was different from any politician that we'd ever seen before.

  • But we can't ignore the fact that we've had the most devastating defeat.

  • We've got to understand that we didn't have a clear message that resonated with voters.

  • We've got to understand that Brexit was an issue that we just won't trust it on.

  • Due to our compromise position on, we've got to understand on issues such as antisemitism, we weren't trusted to be taking the right action.

  • You mentioned the compromise position there.

  • You criticize that in the past.

  • Tonight you're criticizing the gentleman's club off politics.

  • This all sounds like a not so veiled attack on the only gentleman is in the race.

  • And the person who was behind your brakes ability, secure, start, no title.

  • No, I'm talking about a Democratic revolution, and the interesting thing to take from the Brexit debate was that we talked a lot unheard from our communities about how they were angry at how laws and rules will be made in Brussels.

  • But unfortunately they've been exactly the same way about Westman.

  • States detached for many of our communities.

  • But you're everything secure.

  • Summer is part of that gentleman's Not at all.

  • I'm not saying that what I am saying is that it's wrong to have a second tier within our legal system that's made up of UN elected representatives who were there for life.

  • Essentially, we need to represent our communities and they need to be democratically elected.

  • Do you think the next needed?

  • A leader needs to be a female.

  • I think the next female leader needs to be northern.

  • Certainly need to be female.

  • You think the next time you see it needs to be female?

  • Certainly certainly do.

  • At the weekend, Jeremy Corbyn described the incident in Tehran where 176 people were killed due to an Iranian missile.

  • He called it a crash.

  • Was he wrong to use that phrase?

  • It's devastating violence and war in any part of the world.

  • Whoever perpetrates it is wrong and we have a role here in the would you have called it a crash.

  • I think it was devastating, but would you call it a crash called a crash first?

  • Jeremy Corbyn was wrong.

  • It was wrong about his personal opinion, but it's not certain since and I would have said.

  • Lastly, some Labor Party MPs have described you as shy.

  • Lastly, there that's described his show was Theresa May.

  • That's a worry, not shy.

  • I've certainly been hard working and stuck in my office.

  • Developing many of our policies over the last four years shy is not something that I've ever been called.

  • I don't think my husband would say I was shy.

  • Well, Emily for Marie joins us now from Guilford, where she's just been launching her campaign.

  • Good evening.

  • There are four women standing in this leadership election and internal its pole.

  • It is secure Starmer, the man who is way out in front.

  • Do you think that's just to do with talent?

  • Or could there be some sexism as well?

  • I think that the campaign then he just started.

  • Mate, don't start writing is off.

  • You know this is going to be a three month long campaign, and what we need to do is see people at at the hus stings and will be put through our metal.

  • And the members will, in the end, decide these air very early stages.

  • You know, there's a reason why it's a three month campaign.

  • You got half a 1,000,000 members to reach.

  • Let's see what happens.

  • But should gender be an issue, it's all.

  • Should anybody cast their votes thinking it would be better to have a woman than a man?

  • I think that people should vote for the best candidate.

  • And the good news is made is that the best candidate is a woman.

  • That's why I've asked you well, but you're on 3% annoys at the bottom.

  • Well, as I say, I'm just launch my campaign.

  • Come on, give him.

  • Give me a minute.

  • Okay.

  • No, no, no.

  • What we need to be able to do is we need to be able to look at who the candidates are.

  • Put them through their metal.

  • I believe that I have the experience.

  • I've been in parliament 15 years.

  • I come from the heart of the party.

  • I've been I've been a member for 40 years.

  • I've done seven frontbench jobs.

  • I think I have the I have the experience.

  • I have the requisite skills, and I have the passion to lead our party to make sure that we win in five years time.

  • That's what people want, and that's what people need.

  • Your country is crying out for an alternative to this terrible, terrible government.

  • You are the most experienced candidates in the field secure.

  • Saddam has only got a few years a political experience by comparison, as has Rebecca long barely there than two front runners.

  • Do you think they are up to it in terms of experience?

  • I think that it's probably important for people to look at whether or not you have Battle hardened candidates are certainly battle hardened on Dhe.

  • That's an advantage that I have.

  • You know.

  • The bottom on top of it is, is that by putting yourself forward to become leader of the Labour Party when we're in opposition is, frankly, the worst job in the world.

  • We know that the media obviously yourself being a exception, but you know, but but the media as a whole will be antagonistic towards a labor leader.

  • They will try and cut us off at the knees.

  • I am the finished article.

  • People know who I am they know everything about me on, you know, They think, you know, under skeletons in my cupboard on I have been put under pressure.

  • Andi, I've got through it.

  • No wonder if your loyalty past leaders is a bit of a weakness because you're loyal to Tony Blair.

  • You were loyal to Gordon Brown.

  • You were loyal to Ed Miliband and you were loyal to Jeremy Corbyn.

  • You can't have agreed with them all.

  • So what do you really believe when I stand in that spectrum?

  • Okay.

  • Okay.

  • So you hang on a minute, right?

  • So I had Bean elected for two months when we had the terrible 77 attacks on Dhe said 13 people from my constituency were killed on Tony Blair's response to that was to try to introduce 90 days internment without trial.

  • And I didn't believe in that.

  • I was a proud new MP for the Labour Party.

  • I didn't want to take on the Prime Minister, but I had to because he was wrong.

  • And and I and I was one of the leaders of that campaign and we won.

  • We stopped with our country going down a path whereby we could arrest and hold someone for three months without any evidence.

  • So you know, I had differences with Tony Blair.

  • I also had the difference with with Gordon Brown and relation when he tried to choose 40 days interment without any evidence.

  • So when I have deferred, I have made it clear.

  • But when I am part of a collective when I'm in a shadow cabinet, we have tohave collective responsibility.

  • I believe in that strongly on DSO.

  • Yes, of course I will do everything that I was born ordination leader, the best leader that he could put about the economy.

  • I mean, do you think labor was wrong on the economy at the last election, on things like nationalization, attacks, all of those sorts of issues.

  • I can't look at any particular item which is in the manifesto and say that was wrong.

  • The problem that we had frankly, was that there was too much in it.

  • I had had the experience of going to Australia where I thought that I was going to meet the Labour government in Australia.

  • But instead I met a Labour party that was in mourning and shock.

  • The way that we're in mourning and shock now, and they had the same.

  • They had made the same mistake, which was that I had too much in their manifesto.

  • They confused the public and it wasn't clear what you draw.

  • They done it in Australia.

  • Which bits would you have done and what I would?

  • So what I think we should have done was that we should have been clear about, you know, I don't want to go back to the 19 nineties, apart from winning elections on one of the ways in which we won elections was to be clear about what our priorities were in The way that you do that is that you have discussions with the public.

  • You just cut you.

  • You learn from them.

  • You find out what the big issues are of the time on.

  • Then you find a solution to it.

  • And you presented in that way what up?

  • One of our problems Waas was that we had four or five different announcements going on a day and the public were completely confused, let alone our poor activists who were out on the doorstep in the wind and the rain and the dark, trying to explain to you what you go wrong when you can just say we have too many things that were right Well, that's what I'm saying.

  • Actually, that's what I'm saying.

  • What I'm saying is that our manifesto, what what our manifesto had in it was a, frankly, a 15 year program and it was too much.

  • You know, what we needed to do was to say, This is what it's all.

  • It'll come back to this right.

  • We need to be a credible, alternative government we need when we're talking to the public.

  • To be able to say there is another way, it doesn't have to be like this, but in order for people to believe that there's another way they have to believe in us.

  • So we have to put forward a program which is credible and believable and costed and has clear priorities.

  • That's what we need to do.

  • So looking forward, which is what we should be doing, we need to be looking forward to looking at what our priorities therefore ought to be on DDE.

  • That will depend on obviously on circumstances, on how bad Brexit is, what happens to our economy afterwards, you know, so that we need to be there to be taking the fight to the tour under us so that we have a clear relationship under your leader.

  • Let me ask you something specific under you, under you as leader.

  • Is it conceivable that labor could lead a campaign to rejoin the European Union?

  • No, I'm afraid not.

  • Because I think that we're leaving at the end of January on the truth is legally and constitutionally, we're going to be out.

  • The important fight, though, is this half of our traders with Europe, you know, many jobs depend on our economy depends on having a close relationship with Europe.

  • Boris Johnson says that he can get a trade deal done by the end of the year.

  • Nobody believes him, and frankly, I don't think he cares.

  • He has his majority now.

  • He's won his election.

  • You know, it was a mistake for us to agree to a general election on one simple issue and think that we could change the subject.

  • We weren't able to.

  • He wrapped himself up in the lie and said that he could leave.

  • We will be technically leaving, but we won't have our continuing relationship with Europe sorted out on what we can't allow to happen is that we end up with no deal at the end of the year because that will be a disaster for our country.

  • Emily Thornberry.

  • Thank you very much.

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