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  • INTERVIEWER: If you had to come up with a snappy headline

  • for this topic, what would it be?

  • We are drowning in a sea of e-waste, and that problem is only going to get bigger and bigger.

  • We are producing 50 million tonnes of e-waste every year and that could double by 2050.

  • Well this is the problem, right?

  • Perfectly good laptop.

  • Still works.

  • I could still write my stories on that.

  • But it's heavy.

  • It's cumbersome.

  • I don't want to carry this around everywhere.

  • Forget that.

  • That's more like it.

  • Circle of life continues.

  • Give that a couple of years I’ll want another one.

  • There's 60 different chemicals and metals in, you know, your standard electronic devices.

  • A lot of them hazardous.

  • The UK government estimates that 90 per cent of it ends up in landfill.

  • Burnt up.

  • Illegally traded.

  • This is not an optimal solution.

  • E-waste is inherently valuable.

  • More than a hundred countries have a GDP that’s smaller than the value that can be extracted

  • from e-waste, according to the United Nations.

  • Extracting all those chemicals and metals obviously is an industry in itself.

  • There’s one recycling company in China that is producing more cobalt out of old devices

  • than the country produces in its mines.

  • Some fashion houses, for instance, are now marketing themselves as only using gold for

  • their jewellery from e-waste.

  • I think I preferred the mobile phone myself.

  • There’s also a healthy second-hand market in the components themselves.

  • Of the office computers that get sold and carted away by professional companies, between

  • 75 and 90 per cent of them get refurbished, sold on eBay.

  • The irony there is that the old-fashioned computer, the desktop, is actually a lot more

  • valuable for people retooling these things and reselling them.

  • Theyre generally more powerful and they last a lot longer.

  • Laptops are a lot harder to resell because they're less durable and they wear out a lot

  • quicker.

  • On a global basis, recycling and reselling all those old computers and phones, it sounds

  • great, but on an individual level, you know, getting rid of old kit is not that easy.

  • Have you ever tried to actually sell or get rid of an old DVD player?

  • I mean, do you want this?

  • INTERVIEWER: No.

  • Point proved. This is e-waste, right?

  • INTERVIEWER: What needs to change?

  • The UN has set a target for 30 per cent of e-waste to be recycled by 2023, so that's

  • a step in the right direction.

  • More than 60 countries have already enacted legislation to deal with e-waste.

  • We are dematerialising.

  • We used to buy thousands of CDs and DVDs.

  • Now we're listening to Spotify and watching Netflix.

  • That in a way reduces the amount of hard waste and e-waste.

  • The thing that will have the most impact, as we're seeing in the consumer market, is

  • the consumer themselves.

  • If they demand better designs, more durable designs, things that will last longer and

  • don't succumb to just upgrading constantly, that could potentially have a huge impact

  • on reducing the amount of e-waste out there.

INTERVIEWER: If you had to come up with a snappy headline

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