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Good morning and welcome to Sunday supplements.
These are unprecedented times for sport across the world will be discussing how Corona Virus has affected football on where the game goes from here.
Have the right decisions been made by the right people at the right time?
Well, the 2019 20 season ever be completed in its entirety on one of the potential ramifications, both financially and for the individuals involved.
Also on the show will discuss the manner of Liverpool's exit from a Champions League on film levels.
Future as England women's manager.
Joining us to discuss all of that is David Maddock, who's the Northern Football correspondent off the mirror.
Martin's Samuel, chief sportswriter of the Male.
Alison Rudd's sports writer for The Times On Drop Harris Global sports correspondent off Associated Press that don't get tweet The show at Sunday's up on the best up here at the bottom of your screen throughout this show.
Now, as you can imagine the newspapers this morning, sir, teensy little bit lighter than usual without all the usual football supplements and sports supplements.
But there are still a lot of issues to be debated off course, as you would expect actually that the males come with a big non football story in issues with Tyson Fury Very big exclusive story.
They're euros off as the FAA face a £20 million loss on on the inside of the male.
They're talking about the various options forthem they put to us about how and weather the Premier League Football League etcetera seasons should be completed.
Inevitably, it's not going to suit everybody.
The mirror have gutted Van Dyke of Liverpool's despair at the prospect of the fans missing thief Premier League title party that wasted waited a ll.
This time, the Observer has a big piece.
By Jonathan Lewin There is the enormous industrial complex off global sport.
Clanks to a terrifying Holt is only natural to feel shocked, concussed and even a touch breath.
So it's about how we feel about the fact there isn't so much life Sports watch.
There still is a little bit, by the way.
Rugby league rugby union, some matches.
Mexico still going, by the way, with a football and elsewhere as well focused on non league football this weekend, which has been played, should it have been played?
That's a question as well.
A lot of non league managers really, really unhappy about the fact that it's been going ahead.
The bottom here, they say Exclusive winter euros An idea to enable the Premier League to finish course in Europe, especially in the summer, would unearth happens.
They're expected.
Perhaps we postponed.
But, of course, huge knock on effects there on the Sunday Times Big column New columnist Wayne Rooney is absolutely furious with the authorities on the government for the timing of their decisions.
Feels that it should have happened a lot earlier.
It shouldn't really have been Michaela Tattoo, the arsenal manager contracting Corona virus, to actually spark at the end off what postponement of football it is only postponement until April 3rd.
As things stand.
So, Rob, this is something that you've been beavering away with a week just go through for us, the process of how we've reached this point.
I mean, it's been a week like no other, really.
We've been told by the prime minister's prepare for much uncertainty in the weeks and months I had to prepare for the loss of loved ones.
Society could be really closing down in part on against the backdrop of that is what happens to the things we love sports, so usually the distraction from everyday life, from the things that go wrong from the gloom.
Now even that is obviously gradually closing down and we couldn't really mansion at the start of the week.
We would end up perhaps in a position where the primary would be completely off.
We thought maybe it would go behind closed doors first.
But I think is the situation has escalated through the week with the World Health Organization declaring this to be a pandemic, then them saying that Europe is at the epicenter.
We've seen a really swift reaction from sports bodies, particularly in football.
You way forward, determined, still started weeks tried to press ahead with your 2020 emerged them by Thursday that it really seems that can't take place and they don't have to rearranged the torment.
It's going to be postponed a huge decision and then we've seen leaves gradually shut down as Italy and Spain and other countries and France have gone into lock down themselves on dhe.
Now we enter a time when we won't have sports, they're around us and there's no certainty when it will return which hold by the Premier Li at a minimum of the start of April.
But it looks very unlikely that we will be in a position, I think, to resume football.
Then on Dhe now is the waiting game around.
Quote from Wayne Rooney and his column in The Times today says, I know how I feel if any of my family get infected through me because I've had to play when it's not safe and they get seriously ill, I'd have to think hard about ever playing again.
I would never forgive the authorities.
Do you understand that criticism?
I do understand.
There is so much uncertainty on Dhe and I think people who are making these decisions almost as in the dark as we are.
I was unfilled on Wednesday night for the Madrid game on there were more than 3000 let's go Madrid funds there and yet they were bound from going into their own stadium in Spain, banned from traveling in Spain and in fact, soon after Wednesday night there were restrictions on on any travel in Spain at all, and yet they were allowed to come over.
I actually after that game I went home, turned on the TV and there was a professional professor, John Ashton.
He was he was on Newsnight and he said I'd literally just come in from the game and he said There are more.
There are thousands of Madrid friends in Liverpool and I can guarantee he has to get it.
This guy is the head of the faculty of Public Health, or IWAS and he said I can guarantee some will have the virus and they are now spreading the virus in Liverpool.
That's what that this expert said and I just got back from that game and I was I could not believe that that could have happened.
The problem is, it's a situation that's obviously unprecedented bond.
Even the people who are making decisions just simply don't have enough information or didn't have enough information on dhe.
They acted slowly.
Our government acted very slowly on DDE.
Eventually it took Miguel Arteta on the Everton player on dhe Chelsea player to get the virus to t make a unilateral decision because the government themselves are still not said that that that sporting events can't go ahead.
So yeah, I understand exactly why Wayne really feels like that.
I felt like that when I got back from from the The game on Wednesday night.
I was in a room full of Madrid journalist, full of full of them on.
Many were coughing.
Martin was there to Andi.
You kind of you almost get paranoid yourself.
It was a really, really difficult situation.
I mean, the key things that actually the family and others were just following governor advice while the rest of Europe wasco putting support behind closed doors.
Since the government was telling the probably an old sport she could continue.
Then they went ahead with the opposite until 9 30 on Thursday night.
That was the on condition and honest government advice was.
Do not travel, do not play games because the British government was that of Iceland, where the Athletico Madrid funds were allowed to be in Liverpool.
It was saying the situation of new know, the war's manager being absolutely fuming, even in his pre match interview on Thursday night in Athens Olympiad Call say it's absurd.
We're playing.
This match was behind closed doors and sure enough, the next day got called off for now.
But I spoke to various senior people at governing bodies yesterday who all said we were just following what the government was telling us it wasn't up to us to jump the gun and say, We're canceling football when the government saying Carry on because they're being advised by the medical advisers, Where do you stand on that?
Wait really?
Also says in his column that he and his teammates will.
What?
Watching TV, Waiting for Boris Johnson to speak, which started me in a way.
You don't sort picture footballers cheating into political channels and want to know the latest news.
But they were all waiting done.
They're all waiting for, uh, they want.
They felt they felt it would come from the very top.
But this country, what their livelihoods were going to be for their families, for the fans and everyone.
And he says in these peace that they listen.
Boris Johnson is bottled.
It easily just left it to the football authorities to to solve the issue, and they probably had themselves felt the same way.
Oh, now we have to start thinking about the way virus spreads and heard immunity and things.
You know, when you're putting together the league system.
You don't have to think about these things that should come from scientists and government It shouldn't have to come from.
I was only taking the advice of the people who was flanked by which a very senior people this was.
Why would he jumped thinking a lack of lateral thinking?
Because I know, I know we're speaking from hindsight, but given what we've already seen from around Europe, it just it just felt maybe maybe the people involved in football on the general public and footballs and everybody involved would have just felt safer if there'd been something a bit more stringent and farsighted rather than what's up.
You know, you play for what you want to.
You can have fans traveling in from abroad if you want to.
It just felt a bit a bit too relaxed for the times.
And yet, in a way, when we look back in years to come, when we look back, you know the name Mikel Arteta will will be a big name in history because if he hadn't contracted the virus, then we might have waited another four days.
Five days?
I don't know.
Callum Hudson A door.
Of course, it at Chelsea as well.
Martin.
Perhaps the government might sail.
The authorities would say there's more than one way to tackle this, and it's not so much that in this country were being behind the curve of what they're doing correctly in Europe more than their scientific evidence.
And their strategy is that they're trying to tackle it differently with a whole herd immunity situation and just trying to get a better outcome in a way that they see fit rather than actually just being behind we'll herd immunity is increasingly discredited.
A So while dealing with this, um, early music works levels 95%.
If you're talking about 60% heard they think will be successful is I heard it.
I heard it.
You see, if everyone gets it, then more people become immune.
Then the disease can't travel the way it has done.
If you're talking about 60% of the country getting it, you're still talking about foot without their people.
Um, so you know, if you want, If you want to bind the herd immunity, what you're doing is you're saying, Well, we're prepared to lose 40,000 people to this disease on Ben Well, well, you know, we might have cracked it because the thing with herd immunity is, um, nobody knows what the immunity to Corona viruses.
They don't know.
They think you can't get it.
I think you can't get it say two weeks later, but I don't know that for certain.
They don't know if it's going to be something where your immune for life they don't know whether it's something where you could get it next year.
They don't know if the disease is gonna mutate.
And if the disease takes, Are you them vulnerable to again?
Because most diseases mutate.
That's what you have a different strain of flu every year.
So herd immunity and a lot of what is being talked about.
It's just guesswork, and it's guesswork everywhere on DDE, football always becomes this sort of at the microcosm of society and everything seen through this prism of football.
So the stadiums are the state is.
What about the stadiums?
As I said that the most dangerous place in unfold the other night was not actually out in the open, but most dangerous places in, say, the media section is in any section where the two communities are now together in an enclosed space.
So on the court concourses, it's far more dangerous than actually out in the open air.
Um, that's why they were so worried about going behind closed doors on everyone piling into the pub, because the party is a far more dangerous place in terms of the contact contracting co owner virus than the football stadium.
So it but everyone's getting everyone's guessing because they don't know how this disease travels.
They don't know.
Um, you know how long it travels?
They they know what you can get it form and may know the symptoms of this.
But I don't know the real specifics in terms of controlling it.
So I could understand what you're saying.
I completely get what way?
Any sign but sitting there expecting somebody to stand up and say, Right, Well, it's this, this, this and this with this, this this and this, and then it's all sorted.
But that's not gonna happen.
And that is not goingto happen for months, maybe years.
You wrote about running games to be played behind closed doors earlier in the week, there early in the week, and then the situation changed Jackie within 12 hours, 24 hours.
I mean that that piece that went in that guy the following die by MIT die.
It was out of night because by midday the following day, when the clubs were coming in and sign um, we've got plans that got it behind.
Closed doors only works if football didn't have clone a virus once what was got quite a virus?
Well, you can't buy because that is how fast it's moving.
Accepted the theory that you look at it, go bed clothes down.
We should do that.
Could be us in two weeks time.
But then the experts are suggesting that if you'll do that, you just suppress it for a bit.
And then you're bringing out this virus with so many ill, desperately ill people after that, and then the n h s wouldn't be able to cope.
There is science behind the strategy.
Is it easy for us as football journalist ago?
It's called football awful.
They should do this, but they're not just making decisions on the hoof, although there's reason for their second scientifically.
Yeah, there also are gonna We might get bored basically by being isolating too soon and going into lock down, but certainly no Boris Johnson's turn the role of interview.
Actually, at times he interviewed on the medical experts himself and down the street on Wednesday on it, and she was making the point.
Actually, you don't really spread viruses in big open air stadiums.
But that position did contrast with what other key European countries were saying.
You saw it PSD on Wednesday night, even though they played the game behind closed doors.
You had thousands.
It seemed a pierced refunds, gathering outside on top of each other, celebrating that we know the doorman, so that just shows the challenge of putting games behind closed doors.
But the other point is, actually it strains.
The resources of the emergency service is as well in the public health authorities.
If you are continuing to play sports and what we are being told is that the N.
H s is going to be overloaded in the coming weeks and months.
We're not expecting this peak, so happen maybe until May, even into June.
So we've got many more weeks of escalating number of cases before we can even reached the peak and then there won't be a very clear point.
It seems when we can say this is over or things the healthy to return to normal.
It's not me clear en pointe, a mission accomplished necessarily within the coming months.
There is no vaccine yet.
It takes time to develop on go.
We're all trying to sound like medical experts were just interpreting obviously what we're and hearing from, you know, across the world.
But it is a period of uncertainty that it's very hard to determine the endgame or, you know, when necessarily there will be a sense of normality resuming especially, you know, we look ahead to things like the Olympics that that is still due to take place in July.
The thing for me is that what appears to be clear is that most experts on dhe most politicians are admitting, suggesting that up to 70% of population populations are going to get this virus on DSO.
Clearly, if that's the case, then you need to slow the rate of transmission because none of us have to be experts to know that if everybody gets it at the same time that the hospital's become overwhelmed, as has happened in Italy, and people are dying in Italy because there are too many people ill at the same time, So you have to slow it on.
Obviously, one of the ways of slowing it is by social distancing.
That's that's clear.
You're talking about P S G on in France.
There was that they played games behind closed doors.
And yet Paris niece.
The cycling race was was going on this week, and they started in Paris, obviously, and they went through that.
The first stage was through the suburbs of Paris, where there was a major outbreak and there were thousands and thousands of people out on the streets watching on at the finish line.
And then they travel down the whole length of France on.
They finished on Saturday, when, on Saturday the French government said no cinema's open, no shops open, no, no bars.
They closed everything and yeah, they'd allow this race with thousands of people traveling and thousands and thousands of people.
So people don't people that governments are confused.
But the bottom line is that if 70% of the population are going to get it, which appears to be the case, Angela Merkel's came out and said that then you need to slow it because you can't have all those people going into.
The health service is ill at the same time because many, many more people will die Trying to bond right fear is that, um, it doesn't matter that the economy doesn't matter because your lives are at stake in light of lives are at stake if the economy crashes, cause poverty kills.
If you if you cannot afford shelter, you know if you cannot afford medicine.
If if, If you're living conditions are substandard, poverty kills as surely as any as any virus on what I have desperately trying to avoid.
He's send in the West into unprecedented global recession, which is why, if you look at it, But you know, places where you know you could get kind of virus began in London to try it at five o'clock on the in the evening or whatever, you know, you're very in.
The next person's there and you know, but they know they're not saying to people.
No public chance won't know because they're terrified that the economy falls off a cliff.
Not just as but globally, America's economy and America have buy part of it.
Uh, I can't believe this is true, but a miracle appeared to be fast tracking the vaccine so quickly.
There's a bypassing the rats stage they're bypassing.
That is going straight into testing on humans and stuff because they desperately try.
That's how panicked.
Okay, well, that's it for part one that when we come back in part to in a moment, we'll continue the debate about potential ramifications off this virus.
Fans, administrators on the individuals affected behind the postponement of football in a second Welcome back to Sunday supplement, obviously a very different tone to Sunday supplement this week.
Bearing in mind, it's not so much the football we're talking about.
It's the issues surrounding the Corona virus.
The postponement initially until April, the third in this country.
Rob Harris.
How likely do you think football is going to resume in this country and elite level on April 3rd and fourth?
I think it's very much holding date at this point.
A placeholder as they continue talks.
It was only on Thursday night at 9 30 The Premier League still thought that could go ahead with the fixture program this weekend.
45 minutes later asked announced Mikel Arteta's positive tests that been triggered the emergency meeting on Friday morning of the Premier League clubs which decided to put football on hold in conjunction with the FAA and others.
So next week we have some key meetings on Tuesday you way for holding a teleconference with the league's, the clubs on their own.
Executives from that will get a clear indication of where they believe football is headed in the next few months.
Potential solutions when they can outline options for the Champions League, the euros and other tournaments.
The Premier League than holding another meeting on Thursday which from that we'll get a clear indication.
From then.
It's expected over what they anticipate the coming weeks and months to look like.
But I think April 1st week of April, it looks highly optimistic, be very unlikely.
I think there's nothing that indicates now that foot will be able to resume in just a few weeks time.
Everything we're being told by the government by the experts is this is a situation only escalating on.
Dhe doesn't have any clear date now that we will see the return off football what we're waiting for perhaps when the National League announces whether they're gonna continue, obviously, as of last weekend, the weekend this weekend, they're still playing on.
That would change when the government are expected to announce the band on mass gatherings over 500 people, which will have a knock on effect not just for football but other sports and various social gatherings.
Yeah, very long Nonleague manages fuming about it.
Ben Scrivens of Eastleigh, saying the only reason these games went ahead yesterday because of money in the National League care about money.
In his opinion on Alan Devon, ship was time great course, absolutely fuming, saying, What if I got the virus today and then I go and see my 88 year old mum?
How can I live with myself?
How can they live with themselves?
It is an absolute minefield toe where things go from here.
I've spoke to various people, same as Rob, who were in meetings have been party to these kind of talks.
Nobody seems to be able to really believe genuinely that April 3rd and fourth is when football's going to resume.
What do your thoughts on that?
I think it's pretty impossible to resume on April the third.
But it was sensible to give themselves time, that breathing space that Thio allow t take stock.
I think that obviously the Premier League did the right thing.
I think they acted a bit too late.
But they did the right thing in in going against government advice, if you like, because the advice was still champion Race race, sister went on.
The advice was still two to continue, but they did the right thing.
Andi, they do.
They give themselves time, and there is time because the euros will be cancelled.
That's pretty clear their own here.
Think that you'll think the euro's gonna be phoned, at least for a year.
No one believes it's gonna go ahead.
Stories and paid state could happen later on this year.
I think it is more likely to be next year, next summer on on that gives space then, because I mean, if you're gonna do you mean it's it's, it's It's obviously very fluid.
It moves very quickly, but you would imagine that that would then give time for if games are ever gonna be played.
If the competition is gonna be finished, it could be finished by the end of June, and therefore you wouldn't have to stop playing again until May.
Now that could coincide, apparently with the peak of the of the problem.
But at the same time, it allows clips, too, to get the virus clear of their of their players on.
Then you could play behind closed doors.
Now, I'm not suggesting that, but I'm saying that that's 11 possibility.
And I think if it if it does get played, that's how it will be.
It will be behind closed doors later, when clubs are confident that they have measures in place to stop the spread amongst their own staff.
Certainly amongst their own players, family clubs can afford to play behind closed doors.
What about the lower league?
What about the common trees?
All the scum ball was in the the Grimsby is And what have you who needs the match?
They think about that.
What?
You could have tens of club's going to the war potentially, couldn't you?
Unless they managed to get some kind of bridging loans toe to keep them going for a certain period of time, which perhaps, is where the government might need to step it up a little feeds in.
So I think I think you ate for Have a duty.
If you take away the Corona virus, the medics are medical science of it.
They have a duty to postpone.
You're a 2020 so that all domestic leagues can finish what they need to finish.
So everyone knows where they stand for the new season, because that's the lifeblood of football.
There's no point having a grand tournament if all of a lot of players and fans that feed into that don't know where they stand equally because these are exceptional times.
I think the big, moneyed Premier League, for example, that you have enough cash to make sure they can sort out a plan so that the lower division clubs do not go out of business if they want to term it as a loan.
So eventually it's pay back.
So be it.
That's just the minute detail of it.
There's enough money sloshing around the elite level of the game to ensure in these exceptional times where normal economics do not apply, that they reassure the smaller clubs that they can.
They will make sure they do not go out of business because eventually it will hit them.
It might be 10 years down the line, 20 years down the line, but it will hit them if grassroots football and smaller clubs just cannot exist anymore.
Is in nobody's interest for that to happen.
But will they do it well, To be prepared to put aside some cash and support the lower?
I don't agree without it exactly that in the week.
It's not the same as always, a resistance to the Premier League help in Belly, for instance.
And I can understand that because Billy was a basket case financially and you can't just have a situation where you swoop in and rescue that club, but the expense of other clubs who have run their business far better, so that is unfair.
This is a completely unprecedented situation.
There is without that money within the European going with with our game that could sap a fund that helps clubs through hardship because they're going to be plenty of very, very well running clubs that are going to struggle.
And whilst I appreciate what all the guys are saying from the national legal whatever, without a doubt, one of the motivations for the National League.
Well, we'll have been money, but it won't have been money for the National League itself.
It will have been money for those clubs because your first, your first most vulnerable clubs are gonna be clubs at that level.
You know, if you've got no gate money, you're toast in the National League because they're not getting the sponsorships.
They're not getting anything else.
So I'm not saying it's right.
I'm not saying it's wrong, but I can understand why clubs at that level, why the league at that level, why they've tried to keep it going while they tried to keep it.
Because government advice is not shut your doors on the moment.
Isn't probably League of taking that step in the F L followed for obvious reasons, but it's a hugely perilous situation for hundreds of cops.
Your piece by Gary Lewin inthe e mail on Sunday.
Former England and Arsenal physio.
Of course, talking about probably players will be fine.
You know they got fitness contraptions in the house is swimming pools, which must be lovely muscle on dhe, lonely clubs and the players.
We'll find it harder to keep Fitz one player will get it, and the whole score has to go into self isolation for a week, which makes them the coming back and playing all these fixtures so difficult, doesn't it?
No one gets in and they complain the fixtures are being fulfilled.
Do you think the priority is making sure that this Premier League NFL season is completed whenever that may be?
Whether it's September, October November rather than go for the Karen Brady type method is he's not alone in thinking it of just rendering this season null and void.
I actually think we're gonna get to a point where the government of ice will be.
You have to stay at home, and this might sound a little crazy.
But if people are not going out, that's their home.
There's a lot of people will actually want to watch sports.
So if there's a way of playing games behind closed doors and screening them, then I think that that would actually that could help on, obviously, only of it's safe to do that for the players, for the people who would have to be involved with the TV companies would have to be involved.
But in a sense that it might be that there's very little that t offer to people other than things like sports.
If you're at home, you just watch TV.
You know there's very little else you can do.
As I said earlier in France, all the cinemas in our shit on dhe that will happen in the UK, etcetera, etcetera.
So So in just in purely that sense, that's one reason why if they could find a way to complete the season, it would.
It could help.
And I think, I think, for the integrity of the competition if there's a way.
But you know, that is a big if, because it has to be safe.
It has to be.
You can't put players at risk.
You can't put anybody who's in that stadium, even if it's behind closed doors at risk.
But if we jump to the part where by it is deemed to be safe to play T watch, then do you think whenever it happens, even if it takes, you think, because people sign up to these rules of this number of games to avoid legal actions?
While Westbrook might say well or if West Broadman leads are allowed to go up.
What about full of what about Preston?
Appreciate you have to finish it.
You have to finish it if it's possible because because of all the people say, Oh, just void it, That's that.
That that gets rid of all legal action.
But it doesn't because if you avoid it, then there's no promotion.
What leads gonna do?
You know, if you feel if you complete the competition, then there's no argument on Dhe.
There's no legal challenge, but also people want to see it live.
Liverpool fans want to see that league finished, because clearly they're champions.
They've already won the league.
Manchester City would would certainly probably lose two more games, even if Liverpool lost every game between now and the president of the season, so they should be champions.
There's absolutely no doubt about that, but you need to finish the league for them to be champions and Liverpool friends desperately want that.
The only people who don't want it, maybe West Ham fans who at the moment just above the relegation zone and they say stop now you know the reality is that for the integrity of competition needs to be finished.
It's also exciting resumption as well, rather than starting again from a standstill position on the slow moving to the season.
We get back in with what?
10 games to go, the titles to be decided, promotion, relegation.
And it's a real sort of statement of we're back and you've got something to watch because, you know, as we're told, hair for dystopian dark times were socially isolating.
We're not going out to work.
Places were inside potentially with seeing loves, want loved ones die.
You know, people be desperate for that respect to say that raving lefty oh even just take their minds off of it Mean?
I spoke to a sports psychologist yesterday.
Gary Bloom, really interesting character, is also a football commentator, and he's talking from the human element of things.
And and you've done a piece as well today about how people Ali are filling the void of a football.
What's, of course, it's nowhere near as important as people dying.
Of course, it's not there is that other side of it.
This is how people are actually dealing with the lack of football, but also from a financial point of view, there are zero hours contract people who work for clubs there are journalists will come onto in the very last part where sports journalism goes from here.
But there are other people involved who aren't getting paid as things stand.
It's a huge mess to sort out the administrator.
Absolutely.
And I think probably the most difficult thing for anybody he's only paid if a match goes ahead is they don't know.
You can't plan for how long you know, Who'd you borrow off?
Which family member bails you out?
How?
Dig deep.
You dig into your savings account.
You don't know if it's gonna be weeks or a month or three or four months.
That's really hard to work out, how to do it because we've never been through this before.
When people and bad things happen to people, they could normally come up with a little plan of action of how they're going to cope also because it's happening to so many people.
The solution to it needs to come from quite high up, probably probably government.
I think I need to say anybody whose son income has gone from a regular income because they rely on sport to no income at all, they're your bailout measures for you.
You can't have people wondering how they can feed their kids.
Can they pay their rent?
Because sport has been canceled on Dhe, Asai said earlier.
There are there is a lot of money in sport.
I'm sure clubs are sitting down right now.
We're working out a do.
They continue to pay the staff who were not doing anything, but also do they pay people that they only see once a week, once a fortnight?
You do rely on, but that income I can see that.
But the But they are going to be millions of people affected by this sport.
Is that much?
I I mean, the airline industry's concussion overnight, the hotel industry way.
We stopped being with many years ago.
We stopped being a manufacturing company, a society and economy, and became this service industry.
All of the service industries.
They're gonna go or, you know no one's gonna go to restaurants now is gonna go to hotels now is going to go sit in my nose, is going to go to theaters.
No one's gonna need the service's that are related to that.
If you make it understood that we're gonna sort sport, seal our contracts out.
We're gonna, you know, a government level.
What you gonna do with the rest of it?
Why spoke so special?
Um, you know, go Goto, go to the west End now and we'll get any restaurant in the country now and you can get a table 10.
Love this country.
Companies are sponsoring sport as well.
And ultimate, I'll have to take decisions about withdrawing money potentially as well.
From the sponsorship.
Yes, Another ensued I mentioned is referees will lead one and lead to nationalist referees Don't get paid unless they play.
They'll have holidays booked in the summer.
It's a lot portion for some of them of what they earn.
Are they still going to go on holiday when football resumes?
There's so much to consider.
But just briefly before we go to the break, just want to quickly go around the table and check with you.
What do you think is the likeliest outcome both in terms of the end of the domestic season and in terms of the euro's discourses?
The women's euros next summer in this country which is due to happen?
What do you think it will resume the Premier League.
Football in the UK will resume.
Euros will get moved.
I actually do believe it will resume at some point.
I can't tell you when yet, but I think even later in the year it will resume.
Do you believe I'll complete this domestic season?
Scotland, England?
Et cetera.
Yeah, they should complete the seas and the challenges is European competitions.
Champions League, Europa League, whether they find a reconfigured way of getting those games over the line quicker within changed format.
As for the your rose, yes, it's going to be delayed by a year.
Has a knock on effect, potentially from what I gather for the women's euros, which could move to 2022 because the logistical challenges of your way for putting on back to back tournaments and 2022 is a clear a year without a woke up or Olympics on dhe.
Yes, I expect football resume, and hopefully we will have something to smile and cheer about again amid all the gloom.
You know, seeing a winter euros.
Nothing I'm getting is indicating that, but I think things are very fast moving in terms of the U.
S.
has to negotiate with the league's and clubs to get the desired outcome.
There is a gap in the count in the next June 2021 because there was gonna be a new club World Cup for having all sorts of challenges.
Trying to get the financing and support for the former seems an obvious thing to go.
Ollie, do you see it completing before the past eight foot football will be ruined if it isn't completed?
Absolutely ruined and no one wants that.
As the Liverpool fans told you yesterday, when you went to look for no doubt, okay and finally got it, it will get completely because you can't you can't bring in an arbitrary way of concluding halfway through decisions.
That'll the ideas of all we could work this system of playoffs out stuff that doesn't get you can't change the world of competition halfway through, so they've got to complete the competition.
The only thing you could do if you weren't going to completely competition East, avoid the season.
There's absolutely no appetite from just about anybody to avoid the season.
No one would want to see that so it will complete.
But when that's no.
So when is the big question?
Thank you for now, it's a part two coming up in Part three.
We're gonna talk about some football, which did happen this week.
Liverpool's Champions League defeat against Atletico Madrid on the manner of it.
Welcome back to Sunday supplements, which has clearly been dominated by the ramifications off the Corona virus.
But there was, of course, football played this week, which we're going to discuss now in the company off David Maddock, who has come down from the Northwest for us.
From the Mirror.
Martin Samuel, chief sportswriter off the mail.
Alison Rudd's sportswriter off the Times on Rob Harris, global sports correspondent Associative Press, which is a lovely grand title we've all been giggling about.
But you fully deserve it, Rob, you're worth it.
You are worth it, my friend.
Now Liverpool.
Never mind about the league title for the moment.
They are, of course, out off the Champions League.
And that was a little bit of discussion about the manner of it, of course, before other events took over.
Built on us in the sun today has a go at your own clock to reaction to it, he says.
never mind having a pop it semi onis tactics.
Atletico Madrid manager who perhaps wasn't as expansive as you might have liked.
Just accept that his were bang on and yours weren't.
That's kind of the nub of what he's saying.
Alison Roger thoughts on that.
I do understand why clock was cross because he did it.
If you do everything right and it doesn't work out, then you get angry.
So in there, when they met in Madrid, Louisville had lots of possession, but they could not get behind Atletico, who just were a wall on.
The fans were amazing.
No shots on target.
They just they just couldn't work it out.
And I sort of got the impression in the three week up.
Part of the reason that Liverpool's form in the league in other competitions dicked was because they were.
They were planning how to cope with Symbionese tactics in the second leg and field on they did.
They worked it out.
They were creating chance after chance.
They were getting behind a very deep defense.
They were changing tactics, threw the game.
There was a lot of short passing through the middle and then using the flanks.
They were creating chances.
Political keeper was an amazing form and they get breakaway girls and you must as a manager afterwards.
Just think we got it right.
And yet it just went so wrong.
And of course he's angry.
And he did pref clock to preface it with.
I'm a bad loser sometimes on Dhe.
I think you probably would regret because he spoke so highly of Simi Oniy when I was in Madrid.
Certainly, he doesn't really believe they don't play real football.
He doesn't believe they did anything wrong.
It was the perfect performance from Athletico.
But it is tough when you're a manager and you worked so hard on righting the wrongs and you still go out of a competition, I would actually dispute that.
I can tell you that.
I can tell you you can call hates managers who play football like that.
So I was I was gonna say I'm not gonna name names, but it's obvious that there are certain managers like Joseph Marino who play football like that.
And he hates them, I can tell you that.
Absolutely 100%.
I don't think it's a secret.
He I did an interview with him once and he said it on record that if he felt he had to play football like that, he would give it up.
He would give up the game because he just doesn't believe that that's the right way to play.
And he can't believe that people can't find other ways to play.
I would agree with exactly what Alison said.
Livable.
Actually got it right on all this stuff.
You just spread out there saying cock didn't get it right and semi only did.
Didn't I watched him.
I was there at the game.
I was semi only was on the tux.
I'm right in front of Mae.
He was going crazy because he knew his team.
We're getting absolutely destroyed on.
They were destroyed.
Liverpool had 37 shots on goal, which is normally Premier Li excited against a non league team, sort of level on DDE.
How'd they scored?
Seven or eight.
It would have been perfectly justified.
You would have said Yeah, they deserved to win by seven.
All right.
They scored two.
We're in the lead and then the keeper just choked one in like I mean, it was the worst mistake you over the sea and he was absolutely he was garbage.
So on, actually, you know, to be fair, he's been an accident waiting to happen the last few weeks, and I kind of thought of Liverpool, We're gonna go out.
It would be because that Alison was injured and that's the way it proved.
I know it's sad to say that I don't want to criticize him too much, but he was garbage.
And that's the reason Liverpool did plenty enough to win the game probably played enough to win four games.
And then, you know, fate turned against him because the keeper to wanted.
Yeah, we're gonna have a go club, I would say Have a go at him for not having a better backup keeper.
Well, as it turns out, absolutely.
He did all right early in the season, but he was.
He was a bit mixed even then.
Andi think clock kind of knows that, perhaps that that that's been a weakness of Liverpool Allison getting injured twice in a season.
That's that's not good, actually, physically knowing how the champion's final was lost in 2018 as well, showing how important it was to sign Alison and have you find will whenever they do, go out and sign players?
If it's this summer, they'll go on sign a keeper.
I'm pretty sure about the focus off some gold keeps when it goes wrong, but it has not been a good week for some of the the pig name for Lorises.
Well, obviously kept is going for his problems.
Pickford Last Sunday.
Yeah, it's a search for goalkeepers In the coming months, you were both legs of the Liverpool game.
Where do you stand on on cops?
Reaction to going out?
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That joke, a zoo villain captures the imagination much more so than Batman.
There was a reason why Argos shakes with great disco, so it doesn't have to play named after.
And it's great.
Villains are good villains.
You know Atletico Madrid are unique in European football because they don't care whether you like them.
Simoni doesn't care whether you like it or not.
Doesn't care whether you like the way he plays or not.
They use stuff that people have the two banks of full, and but we're talking about two banks before they usually talk about it being played in 1/2 shell.
Play to banks before in the penalty area.
Reason assigned.
Disagree with David.
I don't think we're going to score seven I that I thought they were about par.
I thought one in 90 minutes and then one in extra time was about it was about them because I thought, All black, please.
The best goalkeeper in Europe and has been for a number of years now s So I'm not surprised as that storming game and feel because I've seen him.
How guns like that before when you saw how congested they made that penalty, I didn't fancy liver for school for long periods of the game.
I thought I had a lot of pressure day, but I didn't fancy chance yet which only Robertson, Mr Head against.
But time big they were.
You look at them and their two banks or for your own penalty.
Or so they get that second ball first and stuff.
I'm Diego Costa.
We didn't have a good game but a wind up merchant.
But I don't care.
And I like that because then you called it If you're gonna win the Champions League, you've got to find a while.
Someone's gotta find a way of beating this team that play in this certain way because if everyone played, you ever go, then we have a go.
You ever go down, we have a go, you know, in the end you get fed up with it.
I think it's good, I think, a little bit of grit in the ointment on That's what Atletico Madrid are, and you've got to find a way of overcoming that in the same way as you had to find a way of overcoming Stoke.
If you wanted to win, the league of you had to find a way of overcoming the original Winwood and teams and stuff.
You've got to find a way of overcoming let's Ako Madrid and teams dough because I don't win the Champions League of a single year and I don't mean the labor, so teams do find a way of doing it.
Also, I showed up best player every year, every you know, one guy leaves that let go, but do it every single year.
It's a feat that they hate that he has found this way negative, though it might be, but he has found this way to keep that team competitive while selling Griezmann to his main rival.
You know, whilst losing his goalkeeper every other year until they got out.
Black.
Um, so it's a grudging admiration, but it's an election year and that you've got to find a way around it.
One criticism I've heard well, don't get too much criticism, do they?
But in terms of the front three being played so much, not perhaps having enough quality back up to the front three for me.
No played, 42 games.
Marnie 37 Saleh 39.
Should there have been stronger backup for those from trees that they could have been rested?
Rotated a little bit more this season?
I think it's realistic.
Think you'd have backup that was comparable, and so they haven't gone down that path.
So when clop rotates, he brings in someone like a really.
He's very different style of player and you just you just switch things around.
It's unrealistic to expect to Liverpool to have another Fab Three.
You can do the same sort of smooth.
I think I doesn't live in full of how the black people are looking for reasons on dhe reanalyzing what has gone before.
I I don't think when we come to the end of the season in December that we will look back and think clocked me too many mistakes With with how he's organized, it's just say as well.
Liverpool over the past two seasons of lost two games in the late in the Premier Li.
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