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  • Good morning and welcome to Sunday supplements on Today Show will be asking What does the future hold for Pep Guardiola on Manchester City?

  • The battle to beat the drop intensifies after Crystal Palace is latest defeat yesterday leaves Roy Hodgson side looking over their shoulder.

  • Meanwhile, at the other end of the table, there's an equally fascinating race for Europe, with a resurgent evident now up to seventh under.

  • New boss Carlo Ancelotti on this weekend sees the Premier League's first ever mid season break.

  • But not everybody is happy about it, joining us to discuss all these topics and a few more besides our Jason Burt, chief football correspondent at The Telegraph.

  • Rob Draper, chief football writer at The Mail on Sunday on Steve Bates, is a chief football writer at the People.

  • Good morning to you rolled out.

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  • Now, here's a little look as to what's making the back pages this morning.

  • We'll have another bus threw in a little while.

  • Some other stories, too, but Man city feature pretty prominently, as does the future or pet, Kouadio lurks.

  • He's had a contract at the end of next season, a little bit coy about his future.

  • I think it's fair to say it says here in the mirror that city will sign stars whether I'm here or not.

  • We paraphrase, of course, but ah, gladioli hints summer spree in The Observer that's still on the line for faltering city and is a bit here about West Ham.

  • Left staring at the drop is Brady Bunch spark anger in the stands.

  • That's about the about the planned protests from West Ham and everything that's going on there on the back of the sun but Manchester City again.

  • Ah city will cope without me, but he fudges his question on the future.

  • Up here, Dan King's own Grealish eyes Manchester United, potentially next season.

  • Ondas.

  • Quite a bit of rugby as well, but we won't be talking about that.

  • So let's talk about the big game today, which is on Sky, of course.

  • Later on it is Manchester City against West Ham.

  • Are the West Ham in a minute, Jason, but first of all, you're going to the game much to city.

  • How would you describe the situation there at the moment.

  • I think they're a bit becomes.

  • To be honest, I think they're in a situation where obviously 22 points behind Liverpool, which is incredible, really, considering how good they've been the last few years to fall that far behind nervously clear in second place the second best team in the Premier League.

  • But I think this there's no real.

  • There's no real jeopardy involved in there in the seas at the moment.

  • I think that'll kick in when the Champions League starts against.

  • I think the reader situations like a race.

  • There have been two runners on and they've been keeping pace with another runner all the way and suddenly this runners has gone and left them behind and they have sought look behind them.

  • There's no be coming up on their rails, so they point thinking, Well, where is our season going?

  • And I think they've dropped off definitely and I think there's a precision to their football that if unless they're playing at it a lot less, they're playing their best football, they can.

  • The wheels come off quite quickly for them, so I think that's being being the problem with them.

  • a few players one under par and I think the speculation of the future manager is quite interesting.

  • I think he will stay.

  • I think it's quite clever of him not to say what why should he commit right now, obviously going to appeared right now where he needs to know what the club is gonna do for him, so that's quite smart.

  • But I think it's in his nature right now to stay on t o oversee the rebuild, which in itself will be interesting because he's never really done that before.

  • We've never seen a situation, has gone somewhere, built a team, won everything and then stayed and rebuilt another team he's got.

  • He's moved on, so so it looked at City of a different project completely anyway because when he went there, he said.

  • It's different from buying.

  • Munich is different in Barcelona, so we see that through.

  • I think he needs to oversee the rebuild of the team, to go again and challenge Louisville next season.

  • I think if he leaves at the end of this season, which I don't think he will, I think it's really sad.

  • Actually, I think he needs to stay on to take on Liverpool Jurgen Klopp next season on Let's see what that series made off, then do you think this very about him potentially go is simply because it's nearing the end of his contract and there's not really a huge amount of of talk about him.

  • Being close to signing a new one is not.

  • He's not done more than four years.

  • A club before his last year at Barcelona was very fault and even his relation with Lionel Messi was beginning to break down at that stage.

  • And it does if you have an intense relationship over four years and you're pushing, pushing, pushing a player and even the really senior players at the club who we would think of as icons and legends were sent to local journalists as that it was getting very intense.

  • But he ended and the way he plays what he demands.

  • This place you're asking awful lots.

  • Then you go into the well again and again get and we saw that.

  • I think it's a Latin documentary.

  • You know how much you have demand years that there's a behind the scenes documentary that came out last year, so I think it's inevitable that after four years, people going, what is he actually office?

  • He's committed on paper for one more year, but that would be the longest He's done a club.

  • I I would be surprised he did beyond five years if he went, you know, if he if he signed a new contract, it would personally surprised me.

  • But, you know, he may feel that Manchester is where he wants to set himself up.

  • There's less pressure than being a basket, and it's clear that being a bastard and being in cattle and that's a unique kind of pressure take on yourself.

  • It's a little bit out of it there, so I think that's where it comes from, A Chase said.

  • We've not seen him take a club and take month of 5 to 8 years before.

  • Could this become a bit of a problem If we're entering the final year of his contract, we still don't know really whether he's going to sign a new one and it always talk about overhaul of players in the summer.

  • We know David Silver's going after a decade new breed coming through the likes of Phil Phone, but if you're trying to attract new players, and you're not sure whether the greatest manager that you really want to play for was still gonna be there.

  • Actually, I was at the press conference where you've alluded to some of the headlines.

  • They're about him saying players will still top plays well, still sound from one city with around there or no, because he believes that city have reached such a level now, in a global sense that they're in attraction in their own right, not just because of him, but there's no doubt about it that if Pep Guardiola, your manager, you're gonna want to go there.

  • So and And he was very he chose his words carefully about it.

  • Could have said, That's not an issue.

  • I'm gonna be here.

  • You didn't.

  • You just said, Why would he say that?

  • Perhaps there's no reason to commit himself.

  • But while he can't have dances around that these the issue on his future, there's gonna be speculation.

  • It's inevitable that will be on Did Rob.

  • I can't see him staying 5 to 8 years because he's never done that before, and the intensity with which he works in the lots of seen it himself when he's when he's working.

  • He's kind of put so much into it that inevitably at some point you're going to reach a stage where you need a break and maybe a players need a break from you because he demands so much in the operates at such a high level On also the problem he's got is that and we're already seeing signs of it now.

  • They didn't replace mention company, and he's now good losing David Silver.

  • They've probably got a more or less sort of a potential replacement in billfold in because photon has got huge potential hasn't been given yet the free rein to perhaps develop in the way that some city funds would have hoped you would have done by now, but he will get that chance is no doubt about that.

  • But then, maybe in a year 18 months or so, he's gonna lose Aguero.

  • So there is gonna pay a kind of a churn of players.

  • It's similar in weight of the way Manchester United's kind of you know they're famous.

  • Five kind of suddenly disappeared and united We're left with the huge problem having to replace those players, and sometimes you just can't I think where his props falling down this season is he didn't really identify so much.

  • They may be the issue of losing company on.

  • Of course, he didn't quit.

  • You couldn't possibly bargain for the fact that I'm Eric Report was gonna be injured for most in season.

  • And I think that's been hugely, hugely influential in city, dropping off off the pace the way City plays every single player in the team.

  • Particularly, these fullbacks have got to be at it 90 minutes every single day.

  • Game on have not.

  • Bean.

  • Catwalk has not been a good, perhaps drunken sailor who is bought on a CZ.

  • Not really kind of them delivered.

  • I don't think he's a question mark over Benjamin Mendy.

  • Zinchenko.

  • He's in, He's out s.

  • So I think there are big issues for him to address, and it sounds like his he's gonna have to rebuild that team.

  • Alex Ferguson was a master of doing every two or three years when he did it when they were at the top on.

  • I think Waddy always got to do that, but he's no, he's no riel kind of experience of doing that.

  • I don't know What's wrong, Sissy?

  • I gotta say, I don't think it's like Manchester night.

  • It's all I think.

  • I think they're much better shape of my three players need to be replaced.

  • Yeah, I think people talking about overhaul of the team in the spending spree Well, they can't do that anyway.

  • It's gonna cost too much money in f f.

  • P is gonna kick in.

  • They can't really spend a huge amount of money they can move players on.

  • I think someone, for example, will go with generate quite cash for them.

  • I think if you look, there are older players, everything.

  • I think they're just strategic sort of approach to take now changed two or three positions and I think they'll be fine.

  • I don't think they're that far off me.

  • What you last Sunday I was, I was taught them.

  • I mean, they actually destroyed talking them.

  • There's just that just a little bit off what they used to be.

  • I think it won't taken awful lot to change it again.

  • Maybe in these Guardiola to commit himself to say right.

  • Okay, I'm gonna do this.

  • I'm gonna stay here for three or four years.

  • I am going to rebuild this team.

  • I'm going to go again on that might just settle everything down.

  • I think it's more just a question of fine tuning rather than a huge change.

  • That's that's why I feel I just don't think they're in that bad a situation well.

  • It will be a 22 points off the leaders, magnified by the way.

  • Liverpool.

  • Yeah, obviously that.

  • But that's the point is so that it requires level to come back to them because in the normal season they wouldn't be in crisis now that being a title race and that be there or thereabouts when they.

  • But then you assuming that next season live bullet going T O.

  • Here's a 25 point, actually, If Liverpool, if living will put two or three seasons together playing football like this, you know, I think City are going to struggle to keep up with them on, and I'm not sure Pep Guardiola, this is kind of manager who likes going into seasons where he's probably thinks he's going to finish second best.

  • I think he wanted to rise the challenge, wouldn't you say That's what I think I think, to get themselves back to the 100 point season.

  • I think they've got quite a bit of work to do.

  • Agree there?

  • No.

  • Then it's not ridiculous.

  • Say that they're a terrible club because clearly second table and they got 198 points of a lot of past seasons.

  • They can't be most way, but they do have work to do to get up to Liverpool Standard, and they're not showing that I have to go into the market to do it on their constrained in the market.

  • So it's not entirely clear how they're going to do then We're the Champions League.

  • Oh, this season, then then that would be an amazing step forward for them.

  • But I I think that's the step forward they need to make.

  • You know, they wouldn't have proved it can win the Premier League, you know they're in the car about cup final again.

  • I'm really cups of the 134 They don't need another one.

  • That was what they need is the Champions League and I think, probably meeting around Madrid side who were probably in similar soft.

  • They're not gonna get another chance been playing like this, so they know that it's a necessary step up.

  • It may be that when the heat of competition comes and I have to step up, they will because, as Jason said, it's hard to raise yourself when you know there's no lots playful but playing like there's a danger plane for their by their standards in a mediocre fashion.

  • Then going to play a Real Madrid on getting found out.

  • Well, the Champions League will bring a fresh intensity to that, won't it?

  • I mean, it was interesting.

  • Interview on on Sky essay.

  • Don't if you saw.

  • Is that Bernardo Silver?

  • He basically gave us an insight into the dressing room, saying, a month ago we were sort of 10 15 points off them on our intensity dropped because we, you know, heads dropped.

  • We thought, it's all over, and now the gap is 22 points and saying We should never have let ourselves do that, and it's got themselves into this pickle ways.

  • You think with the intensity of that rail Madrid two legged tie.

  • Surely that will raise them again.

  • It's almost like a fresh start.

  • It is exactly that and I think that's where the port is so important that they want to get a report back.

  • I think they feel the port changes of team because obviously in the absence of Vincent Cos the closest they've got two dominant Van Dyke style sent 1/2.

  • That's what they need in their team.

  • I think he's the key.

  • I think they see him coming back for that.

  • Tires the absolute key to this season, really, to be on it.

  • So when they brought him back for the chef with you again, I think you might even be available today, I think, but they need him to be there.

  • But I think you're right.

  • It's human nature to a degree to step off, say something like a race with somebody pulling away from me away, pulling away.

  • You won't keep takes naps in the same way.

  • But actually, professionally, you think, Well, maybe you should be sort of stepping up now, Really, especially going into that champion leads.

  • No, it's not a tap you can turn on and off.

  • I mean dangerous.

  • If you go into that game against Real Madrid, not at it, then then they'll go out.

  • They will Ondas Rob says.

  • They're not.

  • They're not playing well enough to win the Champions League the moment they can play well enough but can become.

  • They do it from now on to the into the season, and that's the challenge for them.

  • Midwinter break, probably after today, might might work from that.

  • Reset the season start again, but it's very difficult to sort of say, Well, actually, well, we'll put it all on the Champions League.

  • You can't do that.

  • It doesn't work like that.

  • I've noticed that city last couple seasons have had this aura of invincibility about them.

  • You know that people were beaten before he even went on the pitch against them.

  • Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

  • And I sense that's weighing dip Manchester City.

  • Now I suspect that teams go there with the hope that they can actually get results, not maybe beat them, but but certainly get a point off them and something.

  • We have seen some things being at the mansion.

  • I did beat them a couple of times.

  • Much is now You're in dire straits this season s o that aura of invincibility that city have had and that Gaudio has already had.

  • I think that's been completely taken by Liverpool and Clock next season, Phil Food and you'd expect to be one of the key plays in there.

  • Stepping up.

  • You did a pieces with Jason about He'll be a club legend the next 10 12 years.

  • He's only ever completed 90 minutes in the in the Premier close.

  • He's only ever played one for 90 minutes in the league.

  • And 20 it's interested.

  • We looked at all the stats about that, the position he plays for his age.

  • He's actually played quite a lot of football.

  • You know, you don't get 19 year olds playing in that midfield role in top teams, usually forward with white players who play Maur at that age.

  • But this is a key year now.

  • This is the year that he has to do it because this is usually breakthrough year.

  • When you get to 19 to 20 that's the Eva.

  • You have to get into the team.

  • I have to play regularly and you play.

  • You play in minutes.

  • Look at people like the broiler.

  • They didn't play very much before this age either, but he needs to do it right now.

  • So I think that's what that's the conversation is having with somebody was, well, what is the plan for Phil Phone.

  • He was very effusive about photon voting will get the chance he will be Double Silver's replacement.

  • We will play him on.

  • That wasn't that.

  • Was somebody close to God the older saying that?

  • So I think he's looking at that for next season.

  • Say yes, he will get the opportunity.

  • It may happen before them, and it's been better for him to trade.

  • And that's always been The debate.

  • Should have gone out on life.

  • They never send him alone.

  • Yeah, yeah, exactly.

  • Training with those place he might have picked up a thing or two.

  • What do you reckon?

  • Looking West Ham, who they face today clearly in a wretched position.

  • The bottom of the Premier League formed table over the last eight games, only taking five points.

  • And now this matches they've got coming up.

  • My goodness, man.

  • City away today.

  • Then they got a 15 day break.

  • Liverpool away slide on sky at Southampton home Arsenal way walls home spurs away and Chelsea home.

  • How many points is gonna get out of that low three?

  • Lucky, You know, I mean, on current form, you'd say, you know, they might maybe they pick up one win.

  • Or maybe they pick up a point here and there that there's no doubt they're going to go into March April in the scrap and they're gonna have to win three or four games out the last sort of seven or eight only.

  • And that's kind of what they did under David Moyes last time.

  • He just he had a month extra toe work with the last time, you know, clearly, was that run coming up?

  • They look like they're gonna meet a lot of trouble in.

  • They're not gonna be out anytime soon.

  • That's what they've got to set their minds to.

  • It's not like they're gonna suddenly get around in next month and it's it's gonna ease off a bit.

  • They're gonna be right up to the white light at the end of season.

  • And I mean, it's It's David Moyes was I know some of the fans were no infused by the David Moyes appointment and I can understand in one respect why, but But David Moyes is is a solid appointment that that's why he's been bought there, isn't it to do the solid things it did last time that ought to get them out of that.

  • But it is very, very tight in the air, and I don't There's No zero Guaranty.

  • They do get out for that.

  • I mean, I don't think you can do anything you say confidently out.

  • I think that I think they'll be fine.

  • I mean, it looks pretty pretty difficult for them, and we know the consequences of getting down for any club, but particularly a club like West Ham that in that stating that they need to need for financial times.

  • But, you know, for atmosphere terms, it needs to be pretty full.

  • It would be is gonna feel very, very Solis if they're in a championship in that stadium.

  • David Moyes has talked about the flaky DNA of the club.

  • Do you know what he means by that?

  • Yeah, I do.

  • I mean, it's hard to know what West Times D N A.

  • Is these days that I think they're a club that lost their identity completely, and obviously you can't separate the fact that they've moved into the London stadium from that kind of statement.

  • But But, you know, clearly there's a disconnect between the fans and the board and the club owners which, which is a perpetual problem in it.

  • It doesn't seem to show any signs of healing, but I don't know.

  • I don't know what kind of a club west time see themselves as these days.

  • You know, they do spend money in the transfer market.

  • They were able to attract a manager like Manuel Pellegrini and a few months later, a year later.

  • So it's all fizzled out, and it's a real difficulty and obviously the relegation fight that Rob's just alluded to there.

  • He's gonna be a really dangerous thing for West come to navigate, cause I don't think critically equipped to do that.

  • I mean, on the plus side, from their point of view, they just signed Jared Bowen from under the noses of Crystal Palace, who no doubt delighted about that very talented young player, did play in the Premier League.

  • Asshole went down.

  • He played seven times on that occasion, and also they brought in Kevin Nolan.

  • A swell is Paul Nevin, who's got experience coaching Brighton in England way.

  • What sort of impact you think that Kevin Nolan could have that bearing in mind kind of personality has got as much as anything Well, I think you've got some of them are.

  • Nobody seems to shoulder and offload the burden, and Tim's like what the club is the club represents.

  • He gets very frustrated.

  • I think one of problems at West Ham is probably a lot of players there don't really realize that predicament they're in.

  • I think they probably don't really realize how bad the situation is for them.

  • And probably what also talk about the club represents as well.

  • Hopefully something Kevin Nolan, former captain, obviously being around the block, he was.

  • Obviously, he's being that he's been involved in relegation battle himself before him going into the club.

  • Help help with that as well.

  • The thing interesting about that is how it's taken a month since David Boies gone in from the back room staff sorted out.

  • Now when man will probably left, everyone left with him.

  • Basic apartment goalkeeping coach.

  • I think so why is it taking a long time for that gets sorted out?

  • I think they almost lost time a little bit.

  • There is quite the burden's been on.

  • David Moyes, now nervous, sort of think things out of the club.

  • He's got the staff together now that have the game today and then a bit of a break.

  • Hopeful again has talk about my sister city every chance to reset themselves.

  • This will.

  • This will be West Ham's opportunity to re set themselves right now.

  • From now on, we got this number of games.

  • Get this number wins to stay up.

  • That's what you hope.

  • Something Kevin Nolan brings out baby experience into into the dressing room area.

  • You think?

  • Well, he hopefully can help transmit that to the players we could think Sometimes Look at that team.

  • Are numbered.

  • Players just I just don't think they get it.

  • Don't they get where they're at the moment?

  • What the situation is at the club could do without scoring.

  • Couldn't 3 21 and three in his last 21 cents.

  • That would help the cause cracking game are coming up this afternoon.

  • Man City against West Ham or coming up here on Part two will be getting stuck into the battle to beat the drop from the probably Hello, Welcome back to Sunday Supplement Steve Bates here.

  • Waas at Goodison Park yesterday for the 31 victory for evidence over Crystal Palace.

  • It was there The defeat in a row there for palace things looking too great for them.

  • They didn't sign the players that Roy Hodgson clearly wanted to in the transfer window.

  • That one of the teams now looking over the shoulder in terms of the Premier League table in our six points above the relegation zone, having played a game or Russian afterwards, saying it wasn't really a tree one game, how did you see it?

  • Listen, Palestina have that their chances.

  • They they hit the post early on.

  • Pickford made a great save after it made a blunder for Ben Techies.

  • Goal.

  • So there were opportunities in that game.

  • But I didn't think Palace played with that much conviction, To be honest with you, particularly last half hour, where everything, We're definitely in control and we're but we're pushing forward and attacking Maur.

  • I think that the problem for palaces is goals.

  • They just don't score goals, do they undone highlighted yesterday.

  • Ben Techie scored.

  • It went completely through Pickford.

  • Big mistake by Pickford, really?

  • But that was his first goal of thinking 10 months for Ben's.

  • Okay, now he's that maintain it forward so that that that really highlights the problems that they've got the hall.

  • Kind of.

  • I'm not sure his heart is totally in that.

  • Really?

  • From being ordinary family girls for him?

  • Yeah, Yeah, he kind of, you know, didn't look as usual.

  • Menacing self.

  • It looks like, you know, season too long term for me at Palace.

  • I think he probably should have gone.

  • So I think Roy Hodgson has got problems there.

  • And he was talking about the the winter break that they're now going into, for sort of a couple of weeks of being at a point where they can just reset themselves, comeback fresher with the renewed determination.

  • But I think it's gonna take more than that.

  • You know, policy at Palace of generally being very, very on the road has not been so good on goal.

  • Difference is, is not good on.

  • And I thought yesterday they they just kind of were too easily knocked aside, really, in the end by evidence, respond decades on the second Premier League goal from open play in two years.

  • Now it's a striker who plays every week when he's fit, that is ex.

  • Surely they've invested so heavily.

  • Indictment's not a bottomless pit of palace has that been the main problem that they've had.

  • Yes, yes, Andi, I think that if you e think recruitment so difficult for the size or the other, if you get recruitment slightly wrong, it's very hard to put it back in because obviously, to get a player like Kentucky and you're gonna have to pay good wages, you pay a transfer fee and then your budgets kind of tied up for next to for years.

  • But in reality, they need to move him on now.

  • Then they need to get another center forward.

  • It's not worked out.

  • I know there have been some injury problems, but so we don't know exactly what.

  • It's not worked out, but it hasn't worked out.

  • They do need more goals, and I think hotch in from what you read of what he's saying has been set was sitting in the summer.

  • I was saying in the January transfer window that they need to recruit and let's say they sells the heart.

  • Let's say they stay up and cells are hardly in the summer.

  • Then they're gonna have to be really smart with how they spend that money and it lose to the West hand thing which I think it's a lot of.

  • It's about recruitment.

  • If you get recruitment slightly wrong, you get yourself into a cynical.

  • That's very, very hard to dig out.

  • If you get it right like Lester and it's a virtuous circle and then you're selling players because they've done really well.

  • And you can reinvest that money and really fits it smartly.

  • It could be a very virtuous circle.

  • Roy Hodgson's known for working so hard on the training ground.

  • Drilling is his defensive line, but no clean sheets in the last 10 league games, the worst in the division.

  • I think that's the bigger issue, almost going.

  • People going about been taken up.

  • Scoring goals are not scoring goals, but no Roy Hodgson, on knowing the way coaches his teams.

  • They don't create a lot of chances on.

  • Those players are working extremely hard, so hard, cover the North a lot of ground on.

  • I think all these teams are built on defensive solidity, team shape.

  • You talk to the players, all team shaping training.

  • It's all working on those, so I don't think they're working awful lot on attacking play.

  • So if you don't get the clean sheets you're not scoring the goals, then you're in real trouble.

  • So I think the problem is they're really rather than actually attacking third.

  • Obviously they aren't scoring goals.

  • Surely we know that that's the case.

  • But I think because the stop keeping clean sheets are not picking up the points even expected, normally pick up.

  • I think he's a coach like Sam Allardyce, two degree you.

  • They think the clean sheet is the first starting point for everything.

  • You get the clean sheet.

  • At least you got a point then and then you build.

  • From there, you try and get one nil win or two nil win.

  • We're not getting the clean sheet.

  • You put yourself in Norfolk, pressure score goals.

  • You don't create chances, you know, going to school gold.

  • So that's that's also the problem.

  • They've got the moment, so I think he has to take some responsibility for that as well.

  • It's not just the places got available to him because of the way sets up.

  • His team's is not to lose rather than to win and I think that's that's part of the issue with Crystal Palace and it also eventually go back to the future of Roy Hodgson.

  • Whether or not we have the results before Frank de Boer going to Crystal Palace, whether or not if Christa Parts ever want to move on from the team they are, does he have to go and get a different type of Cochin?

  • And that's the problem they've got because of security and having real hard, because, you know, you're pretty much keeping the league, all of us.

  • I think they are in a relegation battle now.

  • But do you?

  • Do you still keep banking on that on risk, not going higher on the table?

  • Well, then not necessary have the ambition of the possibility even higher on the table.

  • That's another conversation may be part of the delay in the contract.

  • I think they fully intended to give a new contract.

  • I think the hold up, his end so interesting happens from now.

  • It's in the seas with his future as well.

  • Was the husband it clear he wants to go and in that transfer request on the day before the deadline, But they obviously need to bring in, say, three or four plays with that money if he wants to go.

  • But which order that do they do it?

  • And it depends as chasing says, Depends what coach you got there, doesn't it?

  • Because if you if you got Boy Hutchins case, you're gonna recruit a certain type of player and you've got more expensive type of coach you and I think Palace at the stage.

  • A lot of family clubs gets, too, and it becomes an existential question.

  • Is, too.

  • What, what we actually here for kids, actually, often in the owner's mind on Dhe?

  • Understandably so.

  • It's like, Well, we just have to exist and stay in the perimeter because that that's what generates money for the future on Get saluted the club.

  • But Stoke were here under Tony purists, weren't they?

  • We've seen lots of examples of light.

  • We after 456 How many seats and you start to think, Well, could we play?

  • Could be a bit more expansive.

  • Can we play better football?

  • The answer often is No, because if you try to, then you get yourself in trouble and it's too risky on that's That's a difficult with a different question have take.

  • They thought they were doing something.

  • The boar.

  • I know we're gonna do something really interested in sexy hair and it went horribly wrong.

  • So I think that they're probably now really cautious about doing anything too risky.

  • But that that that in itself is a danger because what once you settle for safety in the Premier League, there are other clubs now there's almost a kind of sort of mindset among some of the other clubs.

  • I'm thinking of Wolf, Sheffield United, who were very progressive, who aren't going to settle for just staying in the division on.

  • I think teams like Palace will get caught in that trap and then you're in real big trouble.

  • If you're the club mentality is just to survive.

  • You don't get what but where?

  • I know no other club sides, but but Crystal Palace, really until the seventies didn't have any great history of being a top club, and even then it's being very up and down.

  • So, um, you know, this is a sense of saying that I think we need to speak to palace fans.

  • Obviously, they want more and I'm sure they want to see that clubs assured and off sedate.

  • They wouldn't cut finals of such like in the eighties and nineties, but But you know that they have come from quite a lonely position t be where they are now.

  • That doesn't mean it shouldn't keep advancing, but they're not.

  • They don't have the history, say West Ham, who have one European trophies and they were off, See have been a top were top club in the sixties, and such fans do have a tradition of being really, really noisy at home delay.

  • It kind of wanting to enjoy their football and a lot of them complaining at the moment that you know they are behind royalty.

  • But they sure do enjoy the football a little bit more, particularly at home, that Lois goalscorers as well.

  • But moving on to bore mirth well, they've picked up a bit.

  • We could be a little bit more positive.

  • There was seventh early in November, and they plummeted with 10 defeats in 12 all the way down to second bottom and then a couple of massive wins against Brighton.

  • An Aston Villa on two points is on a couple over two points, a couple of places above the relegation zone and what you think has happened there in terms of turning it around, I have okay, we would discuss in Great.

  • Okay, I have faith in Anyhow, I think he will turn it around.

  • I think he is impressive.

  • I think he's got that club under his control on Dhe.

  • He a stable club that knows roughly what they're doing.

  • Often they normally get themselves out of it.

  • Now, that counter pointed out, we'd say, Well, maybe being there too long.

  • Maybe the message to wear an off its sector said.

  • I don't believe that it's a case at the moment by di thing anyhow at the N V.

  • C's and I hope he Hopis it's steps back on assesses because I think he takes on a huge burden.

  • When you talk to you, when you go down incentive like he's running.

  • He's got his fingers in every little bit of the pie and his kids, or even in one of his Children in the youth team.

  • So it's often watching them as well.

  • I think as apparent.

  • No, no, no, not to interfere.

  • But there's a sense that he is the club and everything and I think it's becoming too much and I think that the bird and the stress of carrying that you know he probably needs to delegate out a bit more on Dhe.

  • He probably needs to let go a bit, and then I think you'll be a better coach.

  • But I think the solidity in the consistency and they know what they know how to play.

  • They know what messages.

  • They know exactly what tactics are.

  • My guess is that it's turning the corner and they will have around where they put three wins together in five games.

  • And suddenly if you do that in the relegation, so if not safe, you're suddenly suddenly 12 thing.

  • You feel breathing easier that they're the sign I probably fear for released in that bottom six.

  • I think they decide that will eventually sort of You're looking at the end of season and their land at 14th and you'll forget that, you know, in five years time ago that was got a decent season.

  • Yeah, whether Sheffield United stalemate, Liverpool and Chelsea after that, which is why I don't quite agree with 100%.

  • With that.

  • I do agree with the House what he's done it born with and obviously the work is done there.

  • But I think they are in trouble I think I think they've had a couple of winds coming good winds, but I think they got completely turned again.

  • Mrs say look of fiction.

  • I've got coming up.

  • We could easily lose the next three games, couldn't they?

  • And they're back in it again.

  • I think whether or not it's taken quite a lot of effort to get to win those last two games, can they then go again?

  • Sustain that?

  • I think today's game is very, very important.

  • They don't lose.

  • I think if they lose today, I think people start thinking Oh no, the back in it again.

  • I mean, I start to real danger there and he absolutely has to.

  • Seeds of the control that bomb with he's got.

  • He got far too much, you kind of one guy running a Premier League club, which effectively, what he's doing in the in the modern age.

  • It's just too much.

  • It's far too much and that's his choice.

  • He's decided to create that sort of environment that born with.

  • That's partly why, to be honest with you, people saying why doesn't get another job way to go somewhere else.

  • I think a lot of clubs looked and thought, We don't want that sort of manager.

  • We don't want Somebody will want the coach, But we don't want that manager.

  • We don't want a guy who wants so much control that he has to have its finger in every single pilot, the club.

  • That's not the way we run ourselves.

  • Nowadays, it seems like it doesn't know any other way there.

  • He thinks if something's wrong, well, he's gonna work even harder.

  • And he said in an interview a couple of weeks ago, after another defeat, he said, I couldn't be doing any more.

  • I can't work any harder.

  • The spiritual home, that was that.

  • Who tells him he needs to do the O.

  • T.

  • Tried.

  • He had the spell.

  • It burn.

  • We didn't We didn't work out partly family reasons in there.

  • Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • But you suspect that him and that man born with the kind of so intrinsically linked that sometimes couldn't see him anywhere else, really?

  • And in a danger for balm with ease that there's such a small club with small resources that you know sure about small resources.

  • Well, they pay like they do pay big wages.

  • They pay big money on average 10 and 1/2 1000 home.

  • That's half exactly So somebody's got a bankroll that you do suspect that if they did slip into danger and did go down, that would be catastrophic for them.

  • They have to stay in the league and just looking at those next to fix.

  • I can't see them getting anything that Sheffield united today.

  • I think Chris World has got Sheffield United going so well.

  • It's particular Bramall Lane after I think that they will win that today and then they got Chelsea and Liverpool but they could easily be drug drug down and those two results of the bat against teams around the villa in Brighton.

  • But we're good winds, but it's gonna take more than that.

  • I think about what food there second from bottom.

  • Got a point, Of course.

  • Unfortunately, that own goal for marry up yesterday at Brian and one all draw late equaliser Ah, one point from safety to places from safety, where Aston Villa Robert, they played a game or now you didn't interview with Man I saw in the week.

  • Yeah, who didn't play?

  • I thought you were thinking back from injury, but he obviously didn't make it in time.

  • I think that I think they've been lucky actually this season.

  • I mean, if he in the last three games, that could have nine points, they got one look at that team.

  • You think they shouldn't.

  • They shouldn't be in relegation trouble.

  • They they're they're far too good.

  • It got similar good players.

  • Too many players were definite Premier League players.

  • You know they shouldn't really be in the situation, obviously made mistakes with the managers.

  • The whole Garcia episode was really weird.

  • In the end, coming, they thought they stumbled across somebody who could stay there for a while.

  • Then it turned so sour so quickly, bringing back kick it.

  • Flores was a mistake.

  • Clearly, I think Nigel Pearson, they gone in a different direction for once, you know, it's been a while since I've employed a British manager manager off like neither Pierce's experience and it's worked for him so far.

  • I think they'll be okay.

  • I think the argument against him being okay is it works so hard just to get into contention, to be okay, that is that it.

  • But I think they've got enough games left and they've got enough players there.

  • If Troy Deeney States fit, that's the key deal.

  • He has to stay fit because they lose something, not just in terms of what years is a play about the personality.

  • If he's not in the team, I think if he stays fit, I think they've got enough to get out of it.

  • But they'll probably back the last three games to think how we only got one point, however, only got one point left about nine, probably about nine.

  • Yeah, I mean, they have that run of four winds in sixth and they six unbeaten.

  • And then the loss of lost two against Villa, where they took the lead, of course, and I'm too evident.

  • There were two nil up on then against 10 men ultimately, and there'll be absolutely kicking themselves again yesterday.

  • But do you think they'll have enough state to be for Nigel?

  • Pattison said, When the when, when they're having that great.

  • When he had a great run to start with, he said, there's gonna be ups and downs.

  • It's not gonna be like this, you know.

  • And you know that in the relegation makes an officer, he's got the experience of several taking teams out this position several times, so so I think he's mentally prepared to place really well the even the Everton game accord.

  • It affects you, but he would have make sure that doesn't leave them on the floor.

  • I still think I take your point about they put a lot of energy into getting to this point, so maybe it run out by think.

  • Momentum's key.

  • I still think the players will feel that despite these setbacks, the momentum is still forward on Dhe.

  • That's the key for relegation battle.

  • You've got feel like go forward the minute you feel like you're sinking.

  • That's when players lead it and it's very hard to scribble back form.

  • So yeah, that I decently feel like I'm dangerous and I want to be Oh, I tell you what would be great for your Twitter mentions, introduced Everyone staying up.

  • There is nobody.

  • Nobody wants to give Norwich and he hopes seven points from safety.

  • That's the one.

  • I think having gotten much dimension is gonna be too positive.

  • So I thought I'd just just let you get the knowledge funds out there, but we're mentioned Hillary, that there a point above it.

  • But I'm a bit worried about writing as well.

  • Yes, you know, I look at that and go.

  • I really hope they don't because I really like the club like Grand Porter and like the things he's trying to do there.

  • But, you know, and I think he was very, very impressive.

  • It's onesie, but this is a different kind of battle and you can slip into it without even realising at this stage of season.

  • Okay?

  • He was just about covered.

  • Everybody almost up.

  • Thio, Arsenal intense.

  • We leave them out there.

  • We leave them over all day.

  • What was started?

  • They're coming up in part three.

  • We will look at the intriguing race for Europe on that particular focus on a revitalized Hello, Welcome back to Sunday supplement in the papers today we have the mail on Sunday.

  • Talk about West Ham lacking energy, lacking goals on lacking leadership.

  • There's another very good column in there as well.

  • In the Sunday Times Jonathan North Croft, Ah, West Ham, A depressed and embattled.

  • But if they stay up on, boys can change the club's cultures.

  • A little bit of hope.

  • There very good piece with Katy Wyatt in the Telegraph do piece on the top England midfielder Izzy Christiansen and on why she struggled with the galacticos of Leon.

  • Why she's moved back to evident evident play at Goodison today in the Merseyside Darby against Liverpool.

  • That should be very tasty there on Also sees Iraq in The Observer.

  • Does good piece.

  • Almost 100 years since that Goodison Park, they had 53,000 fans watching Dicker ladies on how they're expecting 20,000 at Goodison Park today.

  • Really could read that now, Rob, you were at really big championship game yesterday.

  • Oh my goodness, that story here Leeds United What?

  • First of all, credit to forest looking toe push for promotion themselves to the Premier League to clubs that we grew up with being sort of mainstays of the Premier League.

  • But Leeds United, now 16 years out of the top flight on opposition vans singing it's happening again that they're falling away.

  • What's your take?

  • It was first always fantastic atmosphere to city ground.

  • Fantastic felt right good stepping back into the eighties or nineties and in a good way wiles and elected to stay safe without really cracking atmosphere, too.

  • Properties with really big supporter base.

  • But you lied.

  • Just look really flat to me.

  • They look tired.

  • They weren't seeing a BL two teammates better be on the front foot you spent repressing it didn't seem to be able to coordinate that and get it.

  • And it absolutely, as the cliche sounds, it seems like they're just slipping away again.

  • I mean, that's four and five now.

  • Lost.

  • It looked.

  • Lip really was quite sad to watch, and they didn't to me.

  • They didn't really look like they were going to score to the last 20 minutes.

  • They rallied a bit.

  • And then, of course, there's one Neil.

  • It was quite tight, but they were always valuable liquid gold.

  • And you felt that was a joke.

  • Lily had a really good game, and you felt like that was all an Army, a breeze playing where he felt like I was always hated come off towards the end.

  • But you felt like that was always a risk for them, that they were gonna give that way.

  • Nicole say, did.

  • With Walker scoring.

  • So it be, Elsa laughed words in very philosophical mood as he was shut me down for asking a very, very silly question as he does.

  • You know, he did you ask?

  • I just said it's very difficult getting the momentum back when you lose it in football, he said.

  • Well, you don't understand this league.

  • If you if you ask a question like that, you wouldn't ask that question If it's very Bielsa, it's kind of charming and putting you down all in one breath, and I'm a big fan of the houses, you know, I sort of followed his career for a long time, we'll know that most top coaches have learned an awful lot from him and his ideology.

  • Way place has changed.

  • Football has been part of creation more than football, so it's fascinating to go and watch his team's pup that they are.

  • There's something glorious in his failure.

  • It's like almost like a taint my legacy.

  • If it if we were really successful, it's like like we're just gonna play this way and keep playing this way and if we fail, we fail gloriously and it just looks like they're tailing off again and kind of most people part from Manchester United.

  • Fans would want leads in the family.

  • You know you can't feels right and you want them to get over the line?

  • Andi I from what you saw yesterday and the recent form, I mean, there were 11 points clear, weren't they off the promotion places in early December and now five points separated.

  • I think it's three points separate.

  • Top five is very close and talks five now and Fulmer or unequal point of them for us,

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