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  • Welcome back, challengers.

  • Today is a sad day today, Vanessa Hudgens and Austin Butler Splitsville.

  • We're gonna break down what happened cause I got some inside him from my Shawn.

  • Plus, we're gonna talk about how to move on from a long term relationship and why it might not be a good idea to date someone in the same professional field as you.

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  • Your skin looks good and I'm usually really because I think it doesn't.

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  • This is a mineral makeup.

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  • Brooklyn is a fellow youtuber, and I love her.

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  • Forma Cheri, the homeless mom in Atlanta.

  • And I was down in Atlanta last week, and I got to meet Brooklyn face to face like she's been so helpful.

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  • She brought from Christmas dinner, bought a bunch of toys, also got to meet so other girls Julie and Miss Diane.

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  • You can check it out, but basically she's got four.

  • Bev is for kids, and I haven't zero.

  • And you guys know my ambivalence about having Children.

  • So she and I talked through a lot of the pros and cons of having Children.

  • Did I change my mind?

  • Did I not?

  • And my pregnant right now?

  • No, I'm not pregnant.

  • It would be like in immaculate conception.

  • Anyway, we got the makeup retard babies.

  • We talk pregnancy.

  • We've covered a lot of ground.

  • Now let's talk about Austin and Vanessa because who saw this coming?

  • They've been together for nine years Like I knew it was a long time, but I'm like nine years.

  • Damn, he's 28.

  • So they started.

  • He was, like 19.

  • Like he was a young and she's 31.

  • She was also young, and they just kind of one of those low key Hollywood couples that you're like, Oh, yeah, those two and I could see at the time kind of like why she started dating him after the Zac Effron.

  • Thank Zach is a lot of problems.

  • A lot of problems.

  • We won't get into those because I don't want to get sued, but there they're not.

  • They're not good ones.

  • And Austin just seemed very like normal.

  • Very chill.

  • But we always got to remember how choking someone be.

  • If they're an actor, Do you know what I mean?

  • How normal can it would be a fair celebrity, but we're just always gonna pretend on this channel that all things are equal in there is normal as we are.

  • So this break up kind of came out of nowhere, but did it.

  • There's a few.

  • There's a few aspects I want to focus on.

  • The 1st 1 is how long term relationships change, and the 2nd 1 is professional sort of jealousy.

  • Let's talk about that one first, because that's where the tea comes in.

  • So Vanessa's career has been not going where she thought it was going to go, especially compared to Zac Effron Square.

  • And why is it important to compare them?

  • Because they had their big break at the same time with High School Musical, and she is very, very talented.

  • She can sing, she can dance, she can act.

  • He can, too.

  • But like she's just like I mean, come on, she's so cute.

  • She's so good at a lot of things.

  • And Zach's career has taken off.

  • I mean, he did.

  • They watch all the big things like we all still like, desperately want to sleep with Zac Efron.

  • Oh my God!

  • But Vanessa's is kind of flat line.

  • I mean, she did what?

  • That Christmas movie, The princess switch.

  • Where has she really been doing like before then, And Austin's has also kind of been like, What does he do?

  • I know he's had, like, parts here, and there is in once upon a Time in Hollywood, but like he also is not like this big star, this big household name.

  • And I think this contributed to the end of their relationship because she hasn't posted him on Instagram since Halloween.

  • That's that's a minute.

  • And he hasn't posted her since July.

  • What happened in July?

  • Well, once upon a time in Hollywood came out, and that's when he posted her.

  • But also it was announced that he was going to start an Elvis in Basel, Orman's like biopic of Elvis.

  • It's coming up.

  • It's going to be a huge movie.

  • It's going to get a ton of buzz.

  • It truly could rocket Austin to the A list kind of the way.

  • Like Rami, Malek is now a list because of the Queen bio pic.

  • You know who else is a big deal?

  • His co star and girlfriend, Lucy Boynton.

  • Mmm mmm mmm mmm.

  • What these two have to do with Austin and Vanessa?

  • Well, sometimes they're secondary gains.

  • And I've heard through my little web of sources that Vanessa was pushing really hard for him to get this part.

  • I mean, it's not like she had that control over it, but when he got that part, she saw.

  • This is like her secondary big break as well.

  • There were gonna be photo ops.

  • There were gonna be interviews.

  • She was gonna land magazine covers as a result of this the same way Lucy Boynton has.

  • And look, I'm not trying to n Fant allies.

  • Lucy Boyens career Although she's pretty manipulator, she's very weird.

  • Nor am I trying to infuse lies Vanessa's.

  • Neither one of these women need these men to elevate them.

  • But, I mean, maybe they dio if we're going.

  • By the last few years of Vanessa's career, which haven't been going great, kind of maybe they do need someone have pulled them from the B list up to the A.

  • And I wonder if Austin heard that loud and clear.

  • I don't think it's a coincidence that the last time he posted her was when that news broke.

  • I wonder if maybe she was a little too excited about this, a little too gang for him to get this part a little too focused on planning how this is gonna change both of their lives.

  • I wonder if he's like, Does she love me?

  • Is she's sticking with me, or is she sticking with my trajectory?

  • And there is a big difference.

  • This brings me to my secondary point dating people who you work with.

  • I guess that is my primary point.

  • Secondary points.

  • The long term relation.

  • Okay.

  • Dating people you work with, I have always said, is a recipe for disaster.

  • Like the relationship.

  • Like the TV relationship that has always made me cringe.

  • The hardest is Pam and Jim from the office dating co workers.

  • My fucking nightmare.

  • If I'm at work all day, the last thing I want to come Dio is like, see my bitch ass coworker who else have to sleep with and like, we're talking about work.

  • But we're not at work.

  • You might as well be.

  • It works.

  • It's all we talk about.

  • This is that we haven't comment.

  • Absolutely not.

  • And so on one hand, like I think it's so unhealthy for actors to date each other.

  • But then there universes so strange.

  • I get why it works.

  • Like I get wide, they're drawn to each other.

  • Who else could understand their lifestyle?

  • Who else could understand their goals?

  • Instagram trolls like stuff like that, except for another actor.

  • But I think dating someone who is in your same profession is so toxic.

  • Women are not that mean this isn't true.

  • But, like I don't feel like women compete against their partners away.

  • Guys compete against us like guys take it very, very personally.

  • If we do the same job and I do better me, I want to see my partner do well.

  • You know, I want them to do better.

  • And maybe there's a touch of Hudgens in me where I'm like, you know, if he does better than maybe I'll do better.

  • Maybe he can introduce me to better people.

  • So what element of God in a relationship if you are in the same field is to be expected and I think is fine and it kind of comes with the territory, But I wonder if maybe Vanessa suddenly took it a little too far.

  • Suddenly, maybe Austin got a little peek behind the curtain was like, uh why is she with me, like, is she gonna like, swoop in there and snake this opportunity?

  • Hopefully not.

  • But I think something else is going on with these two.

  • And I know that is something that goes on with you guys a lot because you tell me long term relationships.

  • It is psychological fact that every seven years we as humans go through kind of like a metamorphosis.

  • I mean, on a cellular level, they say yourselves, turn over every seven years.

  • So you, in fact, are like a brand new person.

  • All your skin's turn over like a snake.

  • Psychologically, this happens as well.

  • At age 14 we leave behind childhood, right who we were room for seven.

  • At 21 we leave behind those young teenagers we start to develop into an autonomous young adult at 28.

  • Re sort of Think about like OK, the wildness of our twenties might be over, like the testing different aspects of our personality.

  • Now we're forecasting into our thirties.

  • Where do we want to go?

  • What do we want to be?

  • Are we putting down roots are removing away from initial profession there like I don't really want to be a lawyer.

  • I'm gonna try something different.

  • Are we ready to leave our small town?

  • Maybe.

  • We're just graduating from medical school and now we're ready to move into a new space.

  • And how old is Austin?

  • 28.

  • They have been together for so long and he was so young when they got together, and it's not like she was old.

  • They were both so young and so unformed is individuals.

  • I wonder if he now, at 28 is like, you know what that dynamic, that role that I've been in for the last nine years?

  • It's changing.

  • I have fundamentally changed.

  • I'm not doing this, and it's interesting that's happening at 28 not like 21.

  • It would be weird if they'd been together nine years and they were 21.

  • But I guess it happens because maybe he's doing what a lot of men his age do.

  • Forecasting into the future, thinking about a more serious relationship and settling down basically.

  • And maybe he's not looking at girlfriends.

  • Maybe he's looking at wives.

  • Maybe he's not looking, having fun.

  • Maybe he's looking at having kits.

  • Maybe not, But we're gonna say that he is because a lot of dudes at that age are doing that, and it's unconscious.

  • This is what we have to realize.

  • This shift happens unconsciously, especially at that age.

  • When you're 14 it's much more purposeful.

  • I'm not a kid anymore.

  • I'm a dance major, you know, like stuff like that same a 21.

  • It's like, Look, I'm a moon.

  • No, like, bro, you're not okay, but 28 you think, What's the difference?

  • 28 27 29?

  • But there is.

  • There is a difference.

  • And your metric for how you examine relationship starts to shift right?

  • Very subtly, very subtly.

  • It's like it's not necessarily Who could I have fun with at a bar on Sunday?

  • It's who's gonna be there for me when I'm upset.

  • Questions get deeper, your needs get deeper and therefore, who you have in your life needs to check those boxes.

  • And maybe this relationship doesn't.

  • Maybe this relationship doesn't anymore, and it's interesting.

  • Hold on, because you guys told me a lot like I've been dating my boyfriend.

  • He was my first love or we've been together for so long, and there's nothing wrong.

  • But I'm just, uh, and a lot of times you don't even articulate it that way.

  • It's I've been with my boyfriend for five years or whatever for three years, two years.

  • But I have this crush on my co worker.

  • I am obsessed with the guy at the gas station.

  • Like I keep thinking about this X I dated.

  • There's this guy in the gym I keep making eye contact with and I can't let it go.

  • Girl, These people are getaway cars.

  • That's it.

  • They're meant to pull you out of this relationship.

  • That is not serving you anymore.

  • And I remember one time Cameron Diaz, like she had just broken up with Justin Timberlake.

  • Remember?

  • They dated my not but they dated for, like, two or three years or something.

  • And and then they broke up and on.

  • Interviewer asked her something like, Why do you keep having unsuccessful relationships?

  • It was like, really fucking heard.

  • She's like, I don't think my relationships have been unsuccessful.

  • Just cause it doesn't last until the day you die doesn't mean it was an unsuccessful relationship.

  • It could be very successful for three years, but it was time to end and conversely, shouldn't say.

  • Conversely, you could die next to someone in 85 it had a very unsuccessful, toxic, weird relationship that was unfulfilling.

  • Longevity is not a metric of happiness, and it certainly is not a metric of success.

  • And we know this and other things, right?

  • I've been at my job for eight years.

  • I hate it, you know?

  • But I'm still there.

  • It's like, OK, I've lived in the same apartment for three years.

  • I need to get out.

  • I've been best friends with the same girl who's now turned toxic in Bala since I was in kindergarten.

  • We know this in other categories, but we look at it in love and society tells us we got to be with someone until the day we die.

  • Well, let me tell you, if you're with the wrong person, every day feels like the day you're going to die.

  • Life is bull, very short and very long at the same time.

  • You know, it goes by in a flash, but oh my God, It's in, like, agonizing moments if you're with the wrong person.

  • But maybe they're not the wrong person.

  • They're just not the right one, not the right one anymore.

  • It's very important to look around and see what those getaway cars are like.

  • You're in your house.

  • Your boyfriend's there.

  • You're sick too.

  • Goddamn death of each other.

  • You don't really wanna have sex.

  • You do it anyway.

  • Whatever.

  • And what do you hear outside?

  • Remember?

  • Remember.

  • Remember, It's a getaway car idol right outside your window and it comes in many forms.

  • Maybe it comes in the form of, like, ah, party you have to go to or you're gonna die.

  • I don't care that you don't wanna go.

  • I'm going.

  • I'm getting dressed up.

  • Maybe you're out partying all the time.

  • Maybe you're working really, really late hours because subconsciously, you kind of don't want to be at home.

  • Maybe it's a crush on the axe.

  • Maybe you can't get off instagram.

  • Maybe revenging shall in Leicester videos all the time.

  • There is something that is pulling you away that is tryingto orient your vision away from that relationship and onto something else.

  • And if you could just see that, that's what's happening.

  • That's okay.

  • Getaway cars are meant to get you from point A to point B.

  • You don't live in him, right?

  • You get in, you use them, you get out.

  • But if we don't know that, that's what that is.

  • If we don't know that, that's who That orange theory trainer is representing us.

  • We get in that car and we're like, This is where I live now.

  • I live in my car.

  • I live in this getaway car because we can't see it for what it iss.

  • But if you can, you're like, you know what?

  • I'm flirting too much.

  • I'm working too much because this is symptomatic of a larger issue.

  • And the issue is my boyfriend issues my relationship.

  • Maybe the issue isn't your actual boyfriend, but maybe it is your relationship.

  • Maybe things have changed.

  • Maybe unconsciously, your metric has shifted and it doesn't only have to happen a 21 or 28 like at all.

  • Like these things happen in a lot of ways.

  • Like I've gone through a real big shift.

  • Really big shift.

  • Sound silly in the last year in terms of like, a metric by which I judge people and I'm you know, it's not my seven year mark, so I'm just feeling it anyway, You know what Tiffany's could happen, but you gotta give them room to happen and it's okay that they happen.

  • Seasons change right seasons change they're meant to change were meant to change as well.

  • And speaking of seasons, if there isn't a reason why someone is in your life, then there is only a season that someone is gonna be in your life, and that's okay.

  • When seasons end, It's painful, right?

  • Summer's over.

  • There's the end of Christmas, but we accept that a new season is starting, and that's why we love a season, because we know it's finite.

  • And that's maybe how we have to treat our relationships.

  • We know that we gotta love someone and be happy in this relationship and devoted because maybe it isn't gonna be around forever, and we should carry that sort of mind sitting.

  • It makes us appreciate a partner, and it makes us more present.

  • There's another thing that there's another thing, though.

  • What if you're not on the side of deciding that this relationship needs to end?

  • What if you're on the flip side?

  • What if it's your partner who is either not ending this relationship or he's breaking up with you?

  • One of those things is infinitely worse than not ending.

  • In college, I took a pairing and marriage class.

  • It was fascinating.

  • I love it.

  • I still have the textbook.

  • One statistic that I learned that is like burned into my mind.

  • Put it on my tombstone.

  • When two people move in together, they have an 85% chance of getting married at exactly a year and 1/2.

  • It drops down to 11% if they're not engaged.

  • If they're not seriously taking steps that they haven't talked about, they're on the same page 11% exactly 18 months.

  • Why, you know, consciously or not, you know you've gone through all the holidays.

  • You know someone's biorhythms, you know, if they leave the wet towels on the bed and on some level, you've made up your mind.

  • So when I see people, it's like, Well, you know so and so they're dating.

  • They've lived together for three years.

  • I bet they'll get married and like, I bet they won't.

  • I mean, they might have gotten 11% chance if I was a betting man.

  • I wouldn't take that bet.

  • It happens.

  • My friend's little brother is getting married, and they lived together for like, seven years, and I was always like, I don't know, but again, to go back to the camera.

  • Dia's quote, like longevity, is not a metric of success.

  • Just because someone gets married.

  • Boob check that box doesn't mean that, like that's the win, but then it's happily ever after.

  • Marriage is the start of a whole bunch of new problems, right?

  • It's not the ending of like some stressors, but it is the beginning of far more stressors.

  • Former benefits do if you do it right, and I didn't so I don't know.

  • But I wonder if Austin and Vanessa were simply not on the same page, if one of them or both of them.

  • After that, 18 month of cohabitation were like, I don't know, not for me.

  • She did say something about him that I thought was sweet.

  • She said this while ago.

  • She said, I want to get married, travel, then have kids, probably in my late thirties.

  • Everyone's clock is different.

  • That's interesting.

  • And at first I was like, Yeah, I know that makes sense.

  • It makes sense if you're not already dating someone and have been for a decade like Why not get married?

  • And look, I'm not like Susie marriage like, I don't think marriage is the healthiest option for everyone.

  • I think it's hard for humans to be monogamous, but I also would bet that most people are fairly conservative, and at the end of the day, most people reorient to those Social American norms, which is marriage, which is marriage.

  • You've been together, you cohabitate.

  • You're I'm sure the families haven't.

  • Why aren't you getting married?

  • Fans are asking when you're getting married.

  • This this is normal, you know.

  • And it's interesting to me that neither one of them feel compelled to take that step right?

  • And I also like travel.

  • What would you say you do all day?

  • Nous Woody, why aren't you traveling now?

  • When slumps say they want to travel, I'm like you can go, Kylie Jenner post like take me back and like photos from Italy this summer is like then go bitch!

  • You have a jet literally go Right now I travel more than you.

  • D'oh!

  • How is that possible?

  • But then Vanessa did say, Really cute quote about Austin.

  • We both trust already got wrong.

  • We both respect trust and admire each other.

  • It's so solid now because I feel strong.

  • And as an independent person, I'm very self reliant.

  • But it's nice to have a best friend you can share victories with as well as losses.

  • I thought that was really cute.

  • That was really cute.

  • I also think it's a bunch of horseshit like I you know?

  • I mean, this fold respects.

  • I like Vanessa.

  • I interviewed her like a year or two ago.

  • She's so sweet.

  • Was that a football event?

  • And she was like, the spokesperson was like, Who's your favorite team?

  • She's like, Oh, I don't know anything about football.

  • Like get that check, get that check in cash it non football fan.

  • I love it, but like she did it.

  • Zac Efron 2005 to 2010 and she dated Austin in 2011.

  • Ah, year alone does not create a lot of self reliance, especially when you're like what, she 2122?

  • Like Come on, you aren't fully formed.

  • What do we say here?

  • Dating is not 50 50.

  • It is 101 100 I have a lot of trouble believing that a professional actress who got out of a relationship with someone who wasn't super healthy at 22 years old needed more than a year on her own.

  • To really feel like a whole person.

  • What?

  • Who is to say you can't do self development when you are in a relationship?

  • I mean, I do.

  • I say that because it is a lot harder.

  • You simply don't have the luxury of making your own decisions from from big things.

  • Like where do I want to live?

  • How do I want to spend my holidays to the little ones?

  • Like which kind of hand soap Should I buy what I want to do on a Tuesday night or Friday morning like you are thinking about someone else.

  • And man, what a headache.

  • What a headache.

  • Like I like having a boyfriend.

  • Obviously, like being in love, who doesn't?

  • But I also really like being alone.

  • I love the autonomy and just the meanness, the selfishness of, like, I'm going to do whatever I want.

  • The other night I had caviar and champagne for dinner because I can not like a relationship would have held me back, not allowed you.

  • But you have to take other people to into consideration.

  • A giant man can't eat caviar for dinner.

  • And quite frankly, I don't want to share my caviar.

  • It belongs to me.

  • Okay?

  • I'm an only child.

  • And when you're so young and you, partner, been such a serious way, you really don't get a sense of who you are.

  • And if you're inside a relationship and you're starting to feel this.

  • Get out.

  • Get the fuck out, Get out of that relationship.

  • Look, life is really long.

  • It iss and you don't know if you're gonna come back around and be back together with this person.

  • I say all the time.

  • My mom's best friend just re married her first husband.

  • She had two husbands.

  • After that third marriage, divorced, remarried her first husband, the father of her kids.

  • There were like high school sweethearts.

  • Is that not the cutest?

  • And she's like I just like I always loved him is never that We didn't love each other, but we didn't know ourselves, and being together didn't allow us to become individuals.

  • We were like a treat, like two trees whose branches were growing in together.

  • That's great.

  • Maybe for trees.

  • I don't even think it is.

  • But like humans need to be on their own path.

  • She's like, had I like, really acknowledged that when you know they divorced the first time, she said.

  • Like she's like, I would have gotten married two more times.

  • Had I just been by myself and worked on me, I could have avoided these sort of like not panic marriages, but like situations that weren't serving her.

  • So it's interesting, you know, that's interesting.

  • And hopefully Vanessa will be single for a little while and get back to her.

  • I mean, she is still so young.

  • She's 31 you know, But she's had too gnarly ass relationships.

  • She has been.

  • She's been dating someone since she was 15 basically.

  • Ah, year alone.

  • A nothing A year alone in nothing, you know, like yours.

  • You think?

  • What do you think she was over Zach out front.

  • Like the day they broke up or announce it?

  • Absolutely not, sir.

  • My jaw hurts.

  • Absolutely not.

  • So she needs to get back to herself.

  • He probably needs to do the same.

  • I wonder, though, if she's gonna make a play to try to get back together or suddenly start opening up about why they broke up, right?

  • When that movie starts to come out right, get a little bit of shine, get a little bit of cloud, can't knock the hustle.

  • So if you're in these positions, if you're dating someone in your line of work, seriously reconsider.

  • It creates creates a lot of competition.

  • Whether should not be any.

  • And if you're in a long term relationship and you're getting this itch acknowledged that that's what it is.

  • Acknowledge that you're probably not in love with the guy at the mall kiosk who sells cellphone covers?

  • Probably not.

  • You're probably looking for an excuse to get out of your relationship.

  • Shallowness here to tell you you don't need any.

  • I'm just not happy anymore is a complete sentence for more.

  • Follow me on Instagram at Shaolin X O and, like I said, had to my website shall in Leicester dot com and click Get help if you have a question and you wanna ask me and I want to know your thoughts on Vanessa and Austin, are you super sad to see them break up?

  • Did you kind of forget they existed?

  • Do you think they get back together?

  • All of the above?

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