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  • Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Labour leadership past 2020. 00:04:57.340 --> 00:05:2.550 Hello, Welcome to the Labour leadership postings here in Cardiff, City Hole. 00:05:3.130 --> 00:05:8.990 My name's Rick Mazeroski, and it's my job today to keep these in, check on moderate and make sure we stick to time.

  • This event is for Labour members, and it's your chance to ask the questions that matter to you most ahead of the vote theme of the guidelines that I'm following today and that's the candidates are well versed in is to make sure that the events affair to all of them and to make sure they're treated equally Earlier, one in the Green Room I've bean through the questions the tens of them that you've submitted today, and I think you will agree.

  • We've got a wide range of topics, and I should expect here in Wales we have plenty of devolution.

  • Each candidate then gets 40 seconds sounds to the question, and if there's any follow up questions for me, there, then get further 40 seconds.

  • Candidates can also respond if they wish to two other points that have been made by their colleagues.

  • If that happens, we'll make sure they've got equal amount of time to respond.

  • It's me, my job to read the questions to them. 00:05:59.190 --> 00:06:0.590 So if you submitted one, don't worry. 00:06:0.590 --> 00:06:3.150 There isn't a camera about to be flashed in your face and you know about have to do it. 00:06:3.150 --> 00:06:3.870 That's all on me. 00:06:4.910 --> 00:06:8.350 Before we came out and say to the candidates Drew lots to decide who would go first. 00:06:8.350 --> 00:06:11.250 And who will stand who will go in which order.

  • So you can see Emily will be actually first.

  • Then Lisa, then Rebecca.

  • Thank you.

  • If they've gone first, then the next time they will go last and someone so we will keep the process moving.

  • We haven't got any opening statements.

  • Eso We're moving straight on to answer the questions, but there will be a closing statement by each of the end.

  • As you know, today is due to until one o'clock and I'm asking and I'm sure they will.

  • Each candidate treated to the respect.

  • But we also ask that you do the same thing.

  • We want you to show your appreciation if you feel it merits it.

  • And if you do that commie ass that there's no huge amounts of extend about crapping we've selected lots of questions.

  • And we would love to get through the mall to give you the best chance of picking your winner.

  • So we're gonna get started.

  • I just switched my paperwork, right. 00:06:58.690 --> 00:07:2.000 Our first question, If I get through this without stumbling my words every miracle. 00:07:2.350 --> 00:07:5.100 So the first question is from Jeff Beard from Earth, Otisville and Romney. 00:07:5.100 --> 00:07:9.580 CLP How will you put bumbling Boris back in his box?

  • So start with Emily, please.

  • I have an advantage over the other candidates and that eye shadow Boris Johnson for two years.

  • And during those two years, I used to take him to task at the dispatch box.

  • And frankly, I think that everybody says that I got the better of him on The point is, is that I exposed him to be the lying, manipulative coward that he is, somebody who is not prepared to actually look at any details who essentially believes that he is there to show off.

  • He has no you have no vision is to wear what it is that he wants to do with the country on the way that you have to take him on when you take on a clown is you cannot do it in a way which is deadpan.

  • You cannot do it in a way, which is which is boring.

  • You have to kind of go for it and you have to put details to him and you have to show him up to not understand any details.

  • I used to quote things at him. 00:07:57.980 --> 00:08:1.160 He didn't even remember saying And then you come back the next time on. 00:08:1.160 --> 00:08:1.550 Then you say. 00:08:1.550 --> 00:08:3.900 Well, actually, Mr Johnson, you said this and this is what? 00:08:3.910 --> 00:08:5.390 And then you take him that that way. 00:08:5.690 --> 00:08:6.870 I am good at this. 00:08:7.100 --> 00:08:12.400 I can take him on at the dispatch box and be the one place he won't be able to hide is every week of Prime Minister's questions.

  • And if you want to see him taken to task, nominate me, get me onto the ballot and then select me as the next leader of the Labour Party in the decade have been in parliament shadowed three prime ministers on they're all very different with Boris Johnson.

  • His great weakness, it seems to me, is that he wants to be liked on DSO when Tan decide the MP for Slough stood up is the first turbaned Sikh to ever take his place in the House of Commons and challenged Boris Johnson about those disgraceful comments about Muslim women looking like letter boxes.

  • He did not know what to do with himself.

  • You have to take him on with the moral case.

  • You have to take him on about the fact that he doesn't understand this country. 00:08:58.290 --> 00:09:3.960 He wants to get funding to the North, but it doesn't understand that what we really want is power and respect. 00:09:4.100 --> 00:09:9.790 And you have to take him on because he doesn't know that this country is better than he believes. 00:09:9.800 --> 00:09:13.540 We have decent values were tolerant, outward looking nation on.

  • We've got to go out there and fight for it.

  • Thank you.

  • He's not bumbling, be under no illusion that Boris is very clever and very calculated.

  • And he is finishing a project that's been 40 years in the making that destroyed my community on destroyed communities right across Wales.

  • And he won't be able to tackle a working class woman from a de industrialized community who was here to fight back and address the damage that's been done to her community and communities right across the country.

  • he won't be able to handle a woman who has a vision, and he won't be ableto handle a woman who focuses on detail from our green industrial revolution through to democratizing our economy. 00:09:59.750 --> 00:10:6.190 We will shatter the conservatives there, hold on our communities and Boris's appeal to the electorate. 00:10:6.200 --> 00:10:17.290 If I'm leader beyond the no illusion about that hello, whales deal.

  • I'm a pro.

  • So Boris Johnson needs to be confronted absolutely head on.

  • But the dispatch box?

  • He hates confrontation.

  • That's why he wouldn't do the Andrew Neil interview.

  • He doesn't like that kind of politics, so we have absolutely put it to him in Parliament at the dispatch box, and that's what I will do. 00:10:43.210 --> 00:11:3.470 But I want a whole team alongside me doing it all of the time in Parliament across the country, and I want under my leadership you to hear every time you turn on the television or the radio, a very strong labor advocate, very obviously winning the argument cause we gotta win it day in, day out, week in, week out into the next general election. 00:11:3.560 --> 00:11:4.050 Thank you. 00:11:5.340 --> 00:11:11.620 Thank you much.

  • Your second question is when carries half Glenn for Mom.

  • Beth she would like to know.

  • In your opinion, what does a successful relationship between Westminster and the National Assembly looked like?

  • So it'll be Lise transfer in first place.

  • So I think that assessable relationship between Labor and between the UK government and the Welsh Assembly is one that is a partnership that respects the diversity in the strength off the knowledge and the assets and the potential in Wales on.

  • Dhe works together to raise us up together, but if we want to build that, then we're gonna have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.

  • It's no use saying to Wales toe Welsh labour from UK labour that we want to see more powers devolved a more respect from the Tory's if we don't walk the walk ourselves. 00:11:59.050 --> 00:12:3.970 So that means we have to stop imposing candidates telling you how to spend resources. 00:12:3.980 --> 00:12:13.720 Stop publishing manifestos which tell you that we will deliver things in this country that is already being devoted, delivered by the Welsh labour government.

  • This has to end.

  • We have to rebuild our party from the grassroots up and show the Tory's on the country that we can do better, not just tell them that it could be better.

  • Well, I think we need to have a discussion with our Welsh members about devolution and it shouldn't be about how many powers do you want?

  • It's what powers do you want to share?

  • And we need a constitutional settlement that respects the Welsh assembly on indeed, parliament within Scotland and we see them a satellites at the moment where Westminster is king on Wales and Scotland are out there taking handouts from Westminster. 00:12:54.900 --> 00:13:6.570 We've got to defend the current settlement that we have and we've got to make the case against this government whose imposed up to £4 billion worth of courts on the Welsh Assembly since 2000 and 10 on. 00:13:6.570 --> 00:13:11.780 We've got to tell the story about what, how Wales does not have the economic power it deserves.

  • The Tories Chi Bosch, Swansea, Tidal Lagoon.

  • They haven't supported our steel industries.

  • They haven't supported the renewable technologies of the future that could have re industrialized parts of Wales and we need to hold them to account on this.

  • I've been walking the walk for the last three and 1/2 years, a shadow Brexit secretary coming down here to speak to members of the Senate and to build that relationship.

  • And I hope there are people in the room that can testify to that.

  • It's not about imposing.

  • As leader of the Labour Party, I would not seek to impose anything on whales.

  • It's about agreement of working together this week of being in Wales, talking about how the relationship develop. 00:13:57.010 --> 00:14:0.920 I think federalism is the way forward, more devolved powers upto whales. 00:14:0.920 --> 00:14:3.530 That's a discussion I've been having here this week. 00:14:3.650 --> 00:14:11.860 I think the relationship between the leader of the opposition on wealth later labor needs to change as well because I think Welsh labour needs to be much bigger.

  • Part of the decision making of the Labour Party, we don't hold it close enough were in power.

  • Here are examples of what's going on here that we should showcase as the Labour Party as the difference you could make if you're in power changing lives.

  • Thank you.

  • We need to have a relationship that allows whales to be its distinctive self, and in order to do that we have to listen and you do not need to hear from the English politician the way in which what it is that you want to do.

  • We need to be in proper discussions with you.

  • I never want to see again.

  • I never want to be in the position again where I was in Wales when the announcement on broadband was made and I was about to do a television interview and I had no idea what the impact on whales was going to be. 00:14:59.020 --> 00:15:5.310 It wasn't clear from the briefings we were getting from London, and to be honest, you that the Welsh office didn't know about this decision. 00:15:5.320 --> 00:15:8.820 The announcement is being made and it was very difficult for them to know how to respond. 00:15:9.440 --> 00:15:10.300 What a fiasco.

  • This is not the way that we should do things.

  • We need to make sure that whales has powers that it wishes tohave and that it is distinctive.

  • But it also needs to make sure that it has the funding, because whales is not an area that whales is an area with distinctive problems and needs to ensure that it is properly supported.

  • Because in the United Kingdom we have solidarity.

  • When we stick together.

  • Thank you.

  • Just gonna jump in the surf mentioned if we just do the same order a zoo result.

  • Same questions.

  • Police first.

  • There's an assembly election here 15 months that many people in this room are acutely aware when already thinking about, if not planning.

  • How do you see that relationship working in terms of election on what you gonna do to back up the people in this room as they go out on the doorsteps for what looks like it could be quite an interesting fight.

  • And so festival. 00:15:56.260 --> 00:16:1.910 I think that we need to talk up the successes off the Welsh labour government right now while people are paying attention. 00:16:1.910 --> 00:16:4.820 This doesn't start on April the fourth when we elect a new leader. 00:16:5.140 --> 00:16:12.800 Secondly, I think we have to know what is going on here in Wales and too often found in Westminster that we simply don't on when we're attacked.

  • We can't defend it.

  • Thirdly, I don't understand why we're giving applied camera free ride when we share.

  • When we agreed to share platforms with them, it should be the leader of the Welsh labour government who is sharing that platform with Adam Price, not the leader of the UK Labour government.

  • Because otherwise all we do is give them a free ride.

  • Thank you, Rebecca.

  • I think there's a question of resource is and making sure that our Welsh colleagues are equipped to be able to fight this election. 00:16:44.800 --> 00:17:0.650 And we should be asking for our constituencies in England to come over and help throughout this election process, whether it's those in Liverpool and soul food in the North, all the way through to the constituencies on the border in the South, because that's the level of support that's required to protect our heart lungs here. 00:17:0.750 --> 00:17:5.910 We also need to talk about the great work that our Wells Wells colleagues are doing on the checks. 00:17:5.910 --> 00:17:7.530 For example, free prescriptions. 00:17:7.530 --> 00:17:13.300 Many people don't know that that's the case, certainly outside of Wales, free parking is another element on.

  • We've got to make the case against colts.

  • £4 billion worth of courts is destroying our ability to be able to deliver.

  • The service is that our communities require that's similar with all local charities across England.

  • But it's even Maur intense here in Wales, and we've got to tell our communities what's really happening here.

  • What's in it.

  • Those elections next year really important.

  • We think we've got until 2024 until the next general election.

  • We happened.

  • We've got until next year for the wealth elections and they really really matter.

  • That's why I came down this week to start the discussion with wealth members, activists and colleagues about what we need to do and in particular the reasons that we lost this general election. 00:17:58.290 --> 00:18:1.060 And they were similar to, in some cases different to the global. 00:18:1.070 --> 00:18:2.560 The picture across the United Kingdom. 00:18:2.690 --> 00:18:28.940 What I said when I left it was only Thursday night was if I'm leaving Labour Party, I'll come straight back down to whales just to continue that discussion and start that campaign because we need to make the case for an even stronger Welsh government so we can show what we do in power, which is fantastic things that change lives here in Wales, you, our campaign and whales.

  • A lot I like whales, feels like it feels like a second home in many ways and we need to be able to make sure that people understand that labour is in power in Wales and makes a difference whether it is announcing the climate emergency and being the first government to do so.

  • Whether or not. 00:18:43.000 --> 00:19:1.670 It is taking over the trains and showing the way in terms of nationalizing trains, whether it's making sure that social care is properly linked up with health care, whether it's ensuring that there is a there is not the fragmentation that we suffer from the rest of the United Kingdom, with academies, all of these things, that successes and all of these things are showing the way on. 00:19:1.670 --> 00:19:12.520 We also need to take the fight to the Tory government, particularly when it comes to agricultural payments, because if we're going to get powers back from the European Union, the worry will be that the Welsh farm minister won't be making the decisions anymore.

  • They're making in London on We have to fight back because that's a vital part of Welsh economy.

  • So our third question is from Anthony Banas Otter from Cardiff.

  • North Anthony would like to know, should essential service is be run on a not a not for profit system.

  • E j rail bus, water, et cetera, et cetera.

  • Beck could start this time, please.

  • Yes, a very firmly believe that economic justice is about an economy that builds for the common good.

  • It's about Making sure that we are delivering those human rights is an essential service is to our communities.

  • That's why I've said that public ownership of rail, mail, water and energy should be supported by all leadership candidates.

  • I've said that we should stop. 00:19:56.340 --> 00:20:4.450 The outsourcing of our public service is, and we should end source now, whether it's the N hs or local authorities to end the scoured of privatization. 00:20:4.670 --> 00:20:14.880 And I've also said that we shouldn't water down our climate change commitments, our target to deliver the vast majority of emissions by 2030 and to commit to the plan that sits alongside that.

  • Because that's the only way that will democratize our economy and deliver the wealth and prosperity to the pans of the people who really need it.

  • Thank you.

  • Yes, public service is in public hands.

  • You shouldn't be making money out of ill health in a mile road of criminal justice.

  • You shouldn't privatize criminal justice and make money out of that system.

  • So public service is in public hands.

  • Let's have a system that works.

  • I'm not in favor of top down when it comes to the delivery of public service is I think we need common ownership. 00:20:57.430 --> 00:21:1.480 We need to have a discussion about how these are in public hands, but from the bottom up. 00:21:1.640 --> 00:21:8.410 So they run according to local priorities, with real democratic accountability to the people that the service's were actually being delivered to. 00:21:8.480 --> 00:21:10.330 So yes, to the principal.

  • Yes, public service is in public hands.

  • Let's think about bottom up, common ownership.

  • So it's actually closer to people that they could influence the service that is being delivered to thank you, Emily.

  • So it's amazing, isn't it?

  • How we have nationalized railway, that in other countries that own bits of our railway and make a profit out of that I mean, how do we get into that situation?

  • How can it be that people make a profit out of the need for others to drink water?

  • None of this is right if we want to have a green industrial revolution, if we want to make sure that we have proper infrastructure and quite frankly, we cannot get those private companies to make the investment that we want them to, we cannot get them to agree to our agenda and our priorities. 00:21:59.150 --> 00:22:3.250 Then, yes, we should take him over because In the end, we have to be really serious about these things. 00:22:3.250 --> 00:22:4.890 We need to have proper delivery off. 00:22:4.890 --> 00:22:9.160 Public service is, and quite frankly, they should not be simply open to private profit. 00:22:9.350 --> 00:22:10.550 They are there for the people.

  • They're there for its service.

  • We do not need to be there, the private profit.

  • But yes, we should run.

  • Our public service is for people and not for profit.

  • But we can be far more ambitious than they.

  • Surely it's a nonsense.

  • Anyone who's looked at the debacle around electrification wouldn't look at our rail service is and think that the answer is to give more power to grant chaps in Westminster Or, God forbid, Chris Grayling.

  • We should be mutual izing our railways and putting those powers back locally, regionally devolved powers put into public hands.

  • Why are we talking about giving big subsidies to the Big Six?

  • Energy companies went over in Plymouth yesterday. 00:22:55.200 --> 00:23:1.940 I saw how labor councils across this country are actually putting these Interpublic hands, so we run them for ourselves on. 00:23:1.940 --> 00:23:6.340 Why are we only talking about things like royal mail, water and rail? 00:23:6.350 --> 00:23:11.220 When the world's most powerful commodity is data and It is currently used for private, not for public.