Thanks.

Thanks for coming.

We all know in this business there are certain presenters of television shows, which involve members of the public who wants the cameras click off.

Say, I'll be in my trailer and that's it and then off and you don't see how she was totally the opposite.

Yes, she's good as gold, and we had a laugh on and off camera.

She was always bubbly.

Good laugh.

And I said, We was, Ah, award ceremony.

I was ready to go home.

She was that where you got a knife?

I said, I'm going.

I'm of it.

Many beers on And she said, No, come out, Come out with us to take Groucho's being a young lad off of a building site to get to go to Groucho's.

And she made me feel welcome, you know, not patronized.

No, no, not so.

She was always there with her flicking A hug is out. 00:00:57.760 --> 00:01:1.020 The head is very much part off the phone 100%. 00:01:1.030 --> 00:01:5.960 And, like I said, on and off when the when the cameras weren't rolling is an absolute laughing. 00:01:5.960 --> 00:01:10.390 I would imagine that because she was she didn't want you to have any negative experiences.

A tall both during the recording of the program and afterwards, when she took you out to grab some stuff, she would have hidden any of her anxiety.

Isn't you know any of the signs?

No, no, no.

She was just a bubbly.

Yeah.

Diamond to be around that.

You're a great person.

And that's how we should remember her.

Really?

Of course.

This morning there are so many questions on dhe.

We've all got to look at ourselves and how we behave.

What?

We click on, what we care about.

Why do we do you know, there are lots of questions.

This one who's to play Mommy, not have family in the management Very angry and upset.

There is a lot of anger, others There is a lot of anger from people who knew of you.

Heard from Laura.

What mother?

But Richard, it Miyu No.

You have seen pictures on instagram of you guys together.

Let's have a moment to really rubble and celebrate Caroline flag.

I mean, I knew her professionally, you know, and obviously followed her career.

Which is, of course, my job. 00:01:58.300 --> 00:02:2.410 So I met her many, many times on the red carpet that particular summer's day. 00:02:2.410 --> 00:02:4.640 We're in a festival in London. 00:02:4.640 --> 00:02:5.180 I'm teaches. 00:02:5.180 --> 00:02:8.420 Popped over between filming Scenes are for Love Island on dhe. 00:02:8.430 --> 00:02:9.620 The picture says it'll there. 00:02:9.620 --> 00:02:10.440 She doesn't just sizzle.

She absolutely fizzes, you know, in company.

She was extraordinary.

Like that.

She was She had that X factor, you know, on, You know, whenever she sort of walked into a room, I know it's instead of many people, but with her was definitely her U S.

P you know, there was that sort of free song Shan such energy, you know, incredible spirit like that.

They hit those vulnerabilities, of course, in that fragile nature, understand?

She was so relatable.

I mean, you like just a builder.

You'd start into the show, and it was a few years ago.

So what was she?

What was it about Caroline That sort of was so appealing to you as a host of the show and then somebody that you got to know, just someone like you said when the cameras were off, she would be let one of the Islanders, you know, I mean, having a laugh of us, we just all have a good laugh from around, which wasn't starry.

She wasn't Snow. 00:02:56.950 --> 00:03:5.100 No, no, Ugo, that thing that people say, say, with people in the public eye and sometimes very correctly I mean, we all know them. 00:03:5.100 --> 00:03:6.310 They are there out there, some of them. 00:03:6.320 --> 00:03:8.900 But it was nothing like no, nothing like that whatsoever. 00:03:9.640 --> 00:03:14.980 Country we spoke to earlier coming this Repeat a question for the people who went up early enough to see this.

You're a psychologist.

If you'd have access to everything, you didn't because she wasn't doing this.

So when you were advisor to it, if you'd have access to in the last few months, do you think you could have stopped this happening?

Do you think she could have been protected from the demons that were pursuing her in specifically the ones on social media and tabloid media?

Do you think you could have helped her?

It's a very difficult question because I think whenever someone dies in such tragic circumstances, there is a tendency for us towards sort of think, Could I have done something?

Is this something that could have made a difference?

Will never know the answer to that.

But what I can say is that the people who I work with regularly, who are in the public high, you know the social media landscape is so unpleasant to deal with its, I think, relatively in its infancy. 00:03:56.800 --> 00:04:1.620 Still, it's unregulated are the tools to deal with a psychological sense? 00:04:1.680 --> 00:04:3.720 Yes, there is one thing to say. 00:04:3.720 --> 00:04:6.620 I am getting very depressed by what I'm reading about myself on Twitter. 00:04:6.790 --> 00:04:7.810 Would you tell me so? 00:04:7.810 --> 00:04:17.790 One of the things I would say is festival understand that the way your brain works is that actually we do tend to focus even if you have 99% of your messages are wonderful riches.

You're wonderful.

You get that 1%.

That's really horrible, unpleasant, and you hone in on it and you focus on it.

Now the brain does that to protect you because we are social beings, and it's looking for signs of social rejections.

Disapprove.

Nathan's not in there.

I mean, you then got into public high, you know, you met your partner and you're still together, aren't you?

So you sort of have this sort of fame life.

How have you found Itand?

Can you identify with some of what we now understand?

And Carolina talked about it, you know, in the her anxieties, she said, You know, somebody had asked her how how she thought that people most misunderstood her.

And she replied that I think higher of myself than I do. 00:04:57.780 --> 00:05:2.640 Maybe a bit, yes, but you can't shout and not as confident as you think. 00:05:2.640 --> 00:05:6.700 I am actually people in the public eye on anyth ng g o. 00:05:7.200 --> 00:05:11.300 I have had grief in the past on socials, and so is my missus.

And Mommy says really takes it to heart, you know?

Oh, she has one bad comments about the way she looks and think I've been built up on a boat building sites.

I have been called names in trouble, Doctor, exactly.

But when it's with my wife, she takes it to heart, and I'm there picking up the pieces and these people that are given us telling, telling her she looks like whatever, really, just to finish off your answer them so you would do your part your brain like everybody's, is hardwired to focus on the one negative.

So what would you say that would help you to understand that the impact of it try not to take that too much to heart.

But then the other thing is, there are some practical things you can do. 00:05:52.440 --> 00:06:5.920 So one of the tendencies when we get a really negative comment like your wife might have done is that we will tend to sort of sometimes out, um, on on the Internet, we might say, Look at this horrible comment I got, but actually that can sometimes feel to the fire. 00:06:6.050 --> 00:06:9.650 So I suggested it validates the mentality that away they notice me. 00:06:9.650 --> 00:06:10.320 I got to them.

Yes.

So one of the things I always say it's a good idea to have, like a little private group, maybe a private WhatsApp group or something with your friends and family on, by all means share it in there so that you get some comfort and so people can sail my course.

That's awful, what they've said to you.

So you get that validated, but you're not at them social currency.

And can we just say Mrs of your happiest memories of the lovely Caroline.

What would you know if you when you think of her, what comes to mind?

When?

When we was on set, you know, in Love Island coming through the door.

So we knew someone was going, But it was like a bit of sweet, Caroline, but someone's got it.

It was a bit Get Theo a wonderful safe pair of hands.

Yeah, exactly.

She was Yes.

She wore a lovely smile. 00:06:59.230 --> 00:07:0.240 She was a lovely purple. 00:07:0.240 --> 00:07:2.720 God bless her, and may she rest in peace. 00:07:3.640 --> 00:07:6.730 We should point out here, I might even have been in touch with this program. 00:07:6.730 --> 00:07:18.100 And also to make it clear that country, to some reports, they were actually a constantly in touch with Caroline after this incident on dhe were regularly offering her assistance, help and support.

So it's important to put that on the record.

And also, if you or someone you know has been affected by any of the sorts of things that being talking about here, the details of organizations that can offer advice and support are on our website.

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