S o the news, of course, for those are unaware of it.

Man City banned from all your way for competitions for two seasons as of next season on find £24.9 million for serious breaches off UFOs.

Financial Fair play rules overstating its sponsorship revenue between 2012 and 16 and failing to cooperate with the investigation.

Man City A currently appealing to the Court of Arbitration to sports only.

Firstly, what was your reaction when you first heard this news?

Surprised, Surprised that you can make this mistake because isn't that there's been a mistake made somewhere and it's gonna be a costly one.

So it was a big surprise to me, and I don't see a how is going to get solved.

You don't see how it's gonna get for Man City's side of things, but they've obviously going to appeal on de nothing could have become a negotiation situation, and then you're gonna have you wait for then saying what's it to you?

And then you got man city saying, Well, why they wanted lowers and then they're probably come to an agreement and maybe like a year.

Okay, let's look at some of the reactions we saw.

Jamie Carragher, Gary Neville, Arson.

Venga Start with us and venga, chief of global foot with development of fief.

Of course, if people don't respect the rules, they have to be punished.

Obviously, three sets of state.

We don't know the ins and outs of man sitting whether they'll be successful appeal, of course.

But going along with what arson venga saying is just clearly.

If they don't respect the rules, they have to be punished.

Do you see where it's coming from, or do you disagree with that?

What do you make of Austin's comments?

Well, of course you see where he's coming from and whether you agree with the rules or not.

They are in place, and they signed up to him and everyone knows what's what rules.

They got a play by to say whether they do believe in them, but is a tough one because, like you said, we don't know this or degree of them breaking the laws where they're just trying to be bending them and trying to be a little bit clever and got caught, right, So we're not gonna know.

So it's a hard one to call.

You feel like this punishment.

If it's up, how it could be a real watershed moment for European football.

It's almost like it's such a big moment for Manchester City in the future.

The result off this appeal.

Do you go along with that late?

Yeah, it's massive because there's so much that could go wrong to do with the football club.

And that's regard implies in and acts that with, if they contended a competition, that obviously they're going to be back from the competition if they got one and maybe win like you saying saying early, if they want to win the competition, then they might not be able to defend it.

Yeah, so how do you react to that?

As you say, they're one of the favorites to win the Champions League there in the champion of this season.

If that does happen, they can't defend it.

There's a fan of football, DePodesta rules.

Don't break the rules in If you don't break the rules and you don't get punished so something's gone wrong somewhere or someone's made a mistake somewhere and and they're going to get punished with one way or another So they do go on to win it.

Then they're not gonna be defended.

And that alone is a big punishment.

Yeah, a few tweets in about this actually want to get involved in the show.

Incidentally, it's at Sky Sports.

Pl used the hash tag.

The debate s O.

This is saying I'd like to ask if Man City's punishment is upheld.

Should all those trophies, they've won be taken away.

S o that is from Matic Glenn.

What were you thoughts on?

That they want to Premier Li trophies and to lead cups in between the period of 14,016 they were referring to?

It's an interesting question from Matty there, but that would be a a strong thing to do, wouldn't it?

To take away?

It was obvious that they have previously won.

It would cause that the first thing I would ask if if if it wasn't taken four years to realize that they've broken the rules.

If it's been between 12 2012 and 2016 how often they review in People actually live into the fair play because you don't to review every four years.

So in mile, as they can't have broken rules by by a big degree because you would've spied earlier.

So no offering whatever they've won in that time, I think they should should should really hold on Suman.

Obviously we'll see how guilty they feel by how strong they appeal it.

If this is a pair of what's going on from that question that that maxim in, does it taint in any way the trophies that they have one during that period?

How far do you take it like you have all you want to draw it back?

Or we know now is that they have broken rules and they're going to get punished it.

We don't know the ins and the outs and yeah, and I fire.

You want to draw it back.

But if you want to start taking trophies back, then, is that the right thing to do?

And you can punish him in a lot a lot of ways, but I think at the moment you need to just see what comes of it first and see what Man City do moving forward.

How big is this Champions League campaign?

Glen, four mansions says he never won the Chairman's League, of course.

Still in with a chance this season and bearing in mind, it looks very likely that your former club Liverpool in the Premier League.

How big is this Champions League campaign now for Manchester City?

What I think is bigger than ever.

Um, it was a lot of players would have signed it, seeing in the recent years with the dream of winning the chairman's league.

Don't say that The league's over.

They've got no chance in the league on Dhe is completely done for you.

The league.

Yeah, it's just because a lot of ex Liverpool players we've had come on the refuse to admit that way You could say that little fooling with Yeah, yeah, he's done.

If I got the last £10 pocket, that's where it's going.

Yeah, I think so, Yeah, so that's something the love of a gorilla said himself.

You know, the league is what it is, and the chairman's league is what they're after.

That's the one that they will be missing.

That's the one.

The club one in terms of putting him on that next pedestal up there with the biggest clubs in the world.

Onda fact that this is almost gonna be the last punch.

They're gonna have it for potentially two and 1/2 years.

Then often they're gonna throw everything at it.

Big one.

That pet wants the winners.

Well, what man?

See, isn't it?

So that's the one he's driving toe witness tow the one that he hasn't produced it.

So yeah, again, this it's gonna be difficult.

I don't pet quarterly interesting quotes.

He's saying, Whatever league we are in, I'll still be here.

Even if they put us in league to, I will be here.

This is a time for sticking together.

So, pet, Very strong quote from Pep Guardiola.

But how do you think that effects?

The current players will give you some The ages of some of the players.

If the two year ban is upheld by the time the following season starts falling, the two year ban Kevin Durant will be 31 for Nandhini 0 37 Sergio Aguero, 34.

If the ban is upheld As I said, we don't know what will happen there.

How does that affect the current sport?

But that's well sign earlier that you're gonna lose some players.

You're gonna There definitely is place.

Yeah, I think I will.

I don't see our two years is a long time, and it's a long time.

It's like the age of the players.

You think?

Yeah.

The place in their prime.

Now we look because younger players might think two years.

I can live with that.

But if you're in the peak of your career, you haven't won a championship trophy.

That will affect them a lot.

You think?

Yeah.

On Debra.

I know.

He's, like, 29 there.

I'm getting there.

Yeah, it's going to be 41 to 29 is in his prime like he wants to go and win more than what is when it's city.

And then it might be a case of San.

Okay, now, now, in my time, I want it down with this Champions League somewhere else.

Yeah, I totally agree.

I think it is all about every player is gonna be in a certain time into the career.

Two years is a lot of football on.

They could be at their peak now in two years time, there might not be the only takes an injury halfway down the road, and in two years they're not the same player.

But right now there'll be a lot of big clubs with a chance in the Champions League, which would bite your arm, bite your arm off to take half of their squad.

So I think a lot of them will get options that will open their eyes.

And then I think when they sit down and realize how long two years outside the Champions League is, then I think some of them be interested putting out with the quotes that Peppe said.

And we've heard reports of Raheem Sterling saying that there does seem to be a very tight knit unity and that the club are gonna fight this and being together that they're not, You know that they're very confident in the appeal process.

But do you feel if if one player leaves, it could If one player leave, it could be a catalyst father.

So if you find that in your career, if there's one person that may want to leave a club, it can affect others.

You think it does, Um, but ultimately everyone everyone looks.

Italy is everyone's different ages, different stage of their careers, someplace have not won anything, some of one loads.

So I think it all depends on the individual.

But But of course it look, I'd love to a Syrian See the team be loyal when they all stayed together and whatever, But we rarely is their careers only so long.

The ones that are coming towards the end that haven't won the Champions League.

Of course, of course they're gonna If they get the opportunity to have another shot at it, they're gonna They're gonna want to take it on with That said, you think that'll affect players?

They potentially might want to bring in a swell because players wanna play at the highest level they wanna playing and dry and windy Champion Lee, they want to play at the top.

Andi, If Muncie ain't in that competition, then it's gonna be harder for them to draw implants.

How much money?

They're pan that they want to play at the highest level.

And even more so we've livable dominating the league and which potentially gonna do for the next few years?

You can't even dangled a character for the new signings to say, Well, look, we're gonna win the Premier League for the next couple of years and let's just just by with us and stick with us and potentially get shot of the Champions League because you can't even say that now because liver for the ones toe miles ahead of everyone at the moment, not just a man city Could they be long term effects for other clubs?

Because this is, as you said, your work was surprised when you heard the news off this punishment.

It would this make other clubs fearful that if this does get upheld, that the same thing that happened to other clubs because again, we're guessing.

But if teams are going to try and bend the rules like Len said, and this is being a big warning to him, too, don't even try, because if you get caught, this is gonna be your punishment.

I think if man is that you get like a one year back, so they cut it in half and I get a one year band, then I think they've got a chance of keeping their put away their plans because it would be like yet You know what?

We will stick together and we're comfortably somewhere.

Prepare for the for the second season, but yeah, but big difference in that one year into a big difference without wanting into you the other areas.

This potentially effects are the Champions League spaces.

Because if Man City do finish in the top four this season, which is highly likely course, and if they're Ban is upheld, then fifth place would be good enough to qualify for next season's Champions League.

So huge incentive, potentially for other clubs in the Premier League lint.

Yeah, of course.

We'll see.

The club's outside the floor won't be looking at their daily job any different that they clearly want to be pushing a CZ high.

They can.

But of course, you know, you got Sheffield United walking around that sort of spot, you know, imagine.

Imagine if that he got the job would be unbelievable.

Wanted.

I mean, we can look at that say, Well, that would would be a fairy tale.

So Chelsea, current and forth, if you know, is definitely good enough for qualification for the champion 41 point Spurs, thanks to the late winner from assuming son at Villa Park, one point behind Chelsea.

But look at this.

Shepherd United just a point behind Tottenham.

Man United.

Just a point behind Sheppard.

United was a couple of points behind Man United, so every last one in the mix has a lot of teams.

There later is it tender up in here and give him on And then you got Arsenal this Since our tech has gone in there, I think he's turned them around and he's got that even in the right direction.

I like what he's done there watching Arsenal that Andi Everton.

Obviously they want to run you again.

You manager on the locks.

Yeah, good side off those teams then which do you think they're sort of best place?

I think Chelsea is down a top for a calf income.

What Frank said last night.