Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles ON "MORNING JOE." >>> IN THIS CAMPAIGN, WE HAVE >>> IN THIS CAMPAIGN, WE HAVE ALSO HEARD AND I’M GOING TO NOW ALSO HEARD AND I’M GOING TO NOW DIRECT THIS AT VICE PRESIDENT DIRECT THIS AT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN. BIDEN. DO I NOT BELIEVE YOU’RE A RACIST DO I NOT BELIEVE YOU’RE A RACIST AND I AGREE WITH YOU WHEN YOU AND I AGREE WITH YOU WHEN YOU COMMIT YOURSELF TO FINDING COMMIT YOURSELF TO FINDING COMMON GROUND. COMMON GROUND. BUT I ALSO BELIEVE -- IT’S BUT I ALSO BELIEVE -- IT’S PERSONAL AND I WAS ACTUALLY PERSONAL AND I WAS ACTUALLY VERY -- IT WAS HURTFUL TO HEAR VERY -- IT WAS HURTFUL TO HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT THE REPUTATIONS YOU TALK ABOUT THE REPUTATIONS OF TWO UNITED STATES SENATORS OF TWO UNITED STATES SENATORS WHO BUILT THEIR REPUTATION AND WHO BUILT THEIR REPUTATION AND CAREER ON THE SEGREGATION OF CAREER ON THE SEGREGATION OF RACE IN THIS COUNTRY. RACE IN THIS COUNTRY. AND IT WAS NOT ONLY THAT, BUT AND IT WAS NOT ONLY THAT, BUT YOU ALSO WORKED WITH THEM TO YOU ALSO WORKED WITH THEM TO OPPOSE BUSING. OPPOSE BUSING. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LITTLE GIRL IN CALIFORNIA WHO LITTLE GIRL IN CALIFORNIA WHO WAS PART OF THE SECOND CLASS TO WAS PART OF THE SECOND CLASS TO INTEGRATE HER PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND INTEGRATE HER PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND SHE WAS BUSSED TO SCHOOL EVERY SHE WAS BUSSED TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY. DAY. AND THAT LITTLE GIRL WAS ME. AND THAT LITTLE GIRL WAS ME. >> THE MISCHARACTERIZATION OF MY >> THE MISCHARACTERIZATION OF MY POSITION ACROSS THE BOARD. POSITION ACROSS THE BOARD. DID NOT PRAISE RACISTS. DID NOT PRAISE RACISTS. THAT’S NOT TRUE. THAT’S NOT TRUE. NUMBER TWO, IF WE WANT THIS NUMBER TWO, IF WE WANT THIS CAMPAIGN LITIGATED ON WHO CAMPAIGN LITIGATED ON WHO SUPPORTS CIVIL RIGHTS AND SUPPORTS CIVIL RIGHTS AND WHETHER I DID OR NOT, I’M HAPPY WHETHER I DID OR NOT, I’M HAPPY TO DO THAT. TO DO THAT. I WAS A PUBLIC DEFENDER. I WAS A PUBLIC DEFENDER. I DIDN’T BECOME A PROSECUTOR. I DIDN’T BECOME A PROSECUTOR. I LEFT A GOOD LAW FIRM TO BECOME I LEFT A GOOD LAW FIRM TO BECOME A PUBLIC DEFENDER WHEN IN A PUBLIC DEFENDER WHEN IN FACT -- IN FACT WHEN MY CITY WAS FACT -- IN FACT WHEN MY CITY WAS IN FLAMES BECAUSE OF THE IN FLAMES BECAUSE OF THE ASSASSINATION OF DR. KING. ASSASSINATION OF DR. KING. >> DO YOU AGREE TODAY THAT YOU >> DO YOU AGREE TODAY THAT YOU WERE WRONG TO OPPOSE BUSING IN WERE WRONG TO OPPOSE BUSING IN AMERICA THEN? AMERICA THEN? DO YOU AGREE? DO YOU AGREE? >> I DID NOT OPPOSE BUSING IN >> I DID NOT OPPOSE BUSING IN AMERICA. AMERICA. WHAT I OPPOSED IS BUSING ORDER WHAT I OPPOSED IS BUSING ORDER BY THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION BY THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION THAT’S WHAT I OPPOSED. THAT’S WHAT I OPPOSED. [ APPLAUSE ] [ APPLAUSE ] >> ALL RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS PART OF A HEATED THAT WAS PART OF A HEATED EXCHANGE BETWEEN JOE BIDEN AND EXCHANGE BETWEEN JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS DURING LAST KAMALA HARRIS DURING LAST NIGHT’S DEBATE IN WHICH THE NIGHT’S DEBATE IN WHICH THE SENATOR CRITICIZED THE FORMER SENATOR CRITICIZED THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT’S RECORD ON RACE, VICE PRESIDENT’S RECORD ON RACE, FOLLOWING HIS RECENT COMMENTS ON FOLLOWING HIS RECENT COMMENTS ON WORKING WITH SEGREGATIONISTS WORKING WITH SEGREGATIONISTS DURING HIS TIME IN THE SENATE. DURING HIS TIME IN THE SENATE. JOINING US NOW, 2020 DEMOCRATIC JOINING US NOW, 2020 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, SENATOR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS. KAMALA HARRIS. AND I THINK -- I BELIEVE THIS AND I THINK -- I BELIEVE THIS WOMAN OWNS THE ROOM. WOMAN OWNS THE ROOM. [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ] [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ] ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. >> I WILL -- I WILL SAY, JOHN >> I WILL -- I WILL SAY, JOHN HEILEMANN, THAT’S THE LOUDEST HEILEMANN, THAT’S THE LOUDEST APPLAUSE I EVER HEARD FOR YOU. APPLAUSE I EVER HEARD FOR YOU. >> SOMETIMES I’M LUCKY WITH YOU >> SOMETIMES I’M LUCKY WITH YOU AS MY WING WOMAN. AS MY WING WOMAN. >> SENATOR, I WAS TALKING OFF >> SENATOR, I WAS TALKING OFF CAMERA WITH YOU AND I ASKED WHAT CAMERA WITH YOU AND I ASKED WHAT YEAR THAT WAS. YEAR THAT WAS. YOU SAID ’72. YOU SAID ’72. I WAS IN MISSISSIPPI IN ’69, I WAS IN MISSISSIPPI IN ’69, ’70. ’70. THE FIRST YEAR MISSISSIPPI WAS THE FIRST YEAR MISSISSIPPI WAS INTEGRATED AND I SAID -- THIS INTEGRATED AND I SAID -- THIS HAS TO DO WITH GENERATIONAL HAS TO DO WITH GENERATIONAL CHANGE, I SAID WHAT A BLESSING CHANGE, I SAID WHAT A BLESSING IT WAS -- IT WAS -- >> THERE’S A PICTURE. >> THERE’S A PICTURE. >> -- TO SEE THAT AS NORMAL. >> -- TO SEE THAT AS NORMAL. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> INTEGRATION NORMAL. >> INTEGRATION NORMAL. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> MY OLDER BROTHER AND SISTER >> MY OLDER BROTHER AND SISTER WENT THROUGH A LOT MORE TURMOIL. WENT THROUGH A LOT MORE TURMOIL. I’M JUST WONDERING IS THAT PART I’M JUST WONDERING IS THAT PART OF JOE BIDEN’S PROBLEM? OF JOE BIDEN’S PROBLEM? PART OF BERNIE SANDERS’ PROBLEM? PART OF BERNIE SANDERS’ PROBLEM? IT’S A GENERATIONAL THING WHERE IT’S A GENERATIONAL THING WHERE THAT WAS NORMAL FOR US IN OUR THAT WAS NORMAL FOR US IN OUR OWN SETTINGS. OWN SETTINGS. BUT FOR SOMEBODY OLDER, THEY’RE BUT FOR SOMEBODY OLDER, THEY’RE STILL LIVING, THEY GREW UP IN A STILL LIVING, THEY GREW UP IN A DIFFERENT AMERICA. DIFFERENT AMERICA. >> YOU KNOW, THE WAY THINK ABOUT >> YOU KNOW, THE WAY THINK ABOUT IT ON ANY ISSUE AND SO ON SO IT ON ANY ISSUE AND SO ON SO MANY ISSUES THAT WILL IS COME UP MANY ISSUES THAT WILL IS COME UP ON THAT DEBATE STAGE, WE HAVE TO ON THAT DEBATE STAGE, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE REAL IMPACT ON UNDERSTAND THE REAL IMPACT ON REAL HUMAN BEINGS IF WE’RE GOING REAL HUMAN BEINGS IF WE’RE GOING TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION AND IF THAT IS BASED ON FACT AND AND IF THAT IS BASED ON FACT AND IF IT’S GOING TO BE BASED ON IF IT’S GOING TO BE BASED ON TRUTH. TRUTH. SO THE POINT THAT I WAS RAISING SO THE POINT THAT I WAS RAISING LAST NIGHT IS THAT THE LAST NIGHT IS THAT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT CONVERSATION ABOUT SEGREGATIONISTS AND WHO THEY SEGREGATIONISTS AND WHO THEY WERE AND WHAT THEY DID IN WERE AND WHAT THEY DID IN AMERICA CANNOT JUST BE AN AMERICA CANNOT JUST BE AN INTELLECTUAL CONVERSATION. INTELLECTUAL CONVERSATION. IT HAS TO BE GROUNDED IN THE IT HAS TO BE GROUNDED IN THE EXPERIENCE OF REAL PEOPLE. EXPERIENCE OF REAL PEOPLE. I CANNOT TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF I CANNOT TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE -- NOW STRANGERS WHO HAVE PEOPLE -- NOW STRANGERS WHO HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME SINCE LAST REACHED OUT TO ME SINCE LAST NIGHT TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY NIGHT TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY WERE BUSSED IN THE ’70s. WERE BUSSED IN THE ’70s. AND THAT THE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT AND THAT THE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT THE SEGREGATIONS WERE WERE THE SEGREGATIONS WERE WERE HURTFUL TO THEM AND THEY WERE HURTFUL TO THEM AND THEY WERE APPRECIATING THAT THERE WAS SOME APPRECIATING THAT THERE WAS SOME AIRING OUT OF WHAT THAT AIRING OUT OF WHAT THAT EXPERIENCE WAS. EXPERIENCE WAS. THAT’S HOW I THINK ABOUT IT. THAT’S HOW I THINK ABOUT IT. FRANKLY THAT’S HOW I THINK ABOUT FRANKLY THAT’S HOW I THINK ABOUT EVERY ISSUE. EVERY ISSUE. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION. ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION. ALL OF US TRIES TO COMPEL US ALL OF US TRIES TO COMPEL US WHAT A MOTHER IN THAT SITUATION WHAT A MOTHER IN THAT SITUATION IS THINKING AND DOING THAT IS THINKING AND DOING THAT CAUSES HER TO PUT HER CHILD INTO CAUSES HER TO PUT HER CHILD INTO POTENTIAL PERIL. POTENTIAL PERIL. YOU BECAUSE OF COURSE WHAT THAT YOU BECAUSE OF COURSE WHAT THAT CHILD IS FLEEING IS EVEN WORSE. CHILD IS FLEEING IS EVEN WORSE. WHAT IS OUR IMMIGRATION POLICY WHAT IS OUR IMMIGRATION POLICY ABOUT IF WE TELL THEM TO GO BACK ABOUT IF WE TELL THEM TO GO BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM? WHERE THEY CAME FROM? THAT’S WHAT I HAVE IN MIND WHEN THAT’S WHAT I HAVE IN MIND WHEN I SAY THAT MINE IS A 3:00 IN THE I SAY THAT MINE IS A 3:00 IN THE MORNING AGENDA. MORNING AGENDA. LET’S THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES. LET’S THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES. AND THE WAY THEY REALLY IMPACT AND THE WAY THEY REALLY IMPACT REAL PEOPLE WHEN THEY WAKE UP IN REAL PEOPLE WHEN THEY WAKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, TRYING THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT ALL TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT ALL WORK. WORK. >> SO A LOT TO GET TO, A LOT TO >> SO A LOT TO GET TO, A LOT TO UNWIND IN THAT ANSWER. UNWIND IN THAT ANSWER. BUT I GUESS LET’S JUST GO FROM BUT I GUESS LET’S JUST GO FROM 30,000 FEET AND ASK A QUESTION 30,000 FEET AND ASK A QUESTION AND THIS OF JOE BIDEN WHICH IS AND THIS OF JOE BIDEN WHICH IS YOU SAY YOU KNOW HE’S NOT YOU SAY YOU KNOW HE’S NOT RACIST. RACIST. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> DO YOU THINK HE’S RACIALLY >> DO YOU THINK HE’S RACIALLY INSENSITIVE IN A WAY THAT MAKES INSENSITIVE IN A WAY THAT MAKES HIM A POOR FIT TO BE PRESIDENT HIM A POOR FIT TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? OF THE UNITED STATES? >> I WOULDN’T SAY THAT.