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  • ON "MORNING JOE." >>> IN THIS CAMPAIGN, WE HAVE

  • >>> IN THIS CAMPAIGN, WE HAVE ALSO HEARD AND I’M GOING TO NOW

  • ALSO HEARD AND I’M GOING TO NOW DIRECT THIS AT VICE PRESIDENT

  • DIRECT THIS AT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.

  • BIDEN. DO I NOT BELIEVE YOURE A RACIST

  • DO I NOT BELIEVE YOURE A RACIST AND I AGREE WITH YOU WHEN YOU

  • AND I AGREE WITH YOU WHEN YOU COMMIT YOURSELF TO FINDING

  • COMMIT YOURSELF TO FINDING COMMON GROUND.

  • COMMON GROUND. BUT I ALSO BELIEVE -- IT’S

  • BUT I ALSO BELIEVE -- IT’S PERSONAL AND I WAS ACTUALLY

  • PERSONAL AND I WAS ACTUALLY VERY -- IT WAS HURTFUL TO HEAR

  • VERY -- IT WAS HURTFUL TO HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT THE REPUTATIONS

  • YOU TALK ABOUT THE REPUTATIONS OF TWO UNITED STATES SENATORS

  • OF TWO UNITED STATES SENATORS WHO BUILT THEIR REPUTATION AND

  • WHO BUILT THEIR REPUTATION AND CAREER ON THE SEGREGATION OF

  • CAREER ON THE SEGREGATION OF RACE IN THIS COUNTRY.

  • RACE IN THIS COUNTRY. AND IT WAS NOT ONLY THAT, BUT

  • AND IT WAS NOT ONLY THAT, BUT YOU ALSO WORKED WITH THEM TO

  • YOU ALSO WORKED WITH THEM TO OPPOSE BUSING.

  • OPPOSE BUSING. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A

  • AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LITTLE GIRL IN CALIFORNIA WHO

  • LITTLE GIRL IN CALIFORNIA WHO WAS PART OF THE SECOND CLASS TO

  • WAS PART OF THE SECOND CLASS TO INTEGRATE HER PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND

  • INTEGRATE HER PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND SHE WAS BUSSED TO SCHOOL EVERY

  • SHE WAS BUSSED TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY.

  • DAY. AND THAT LITTLE GIRL WAS ME.

  • AND THAT LITTLE GIRL WAS ME. >> THE MISCHARACTERIZATION OF MY

  • >> THE MISCHARACTERIZATION OF MY POSITION ACROSS THE BOARD.

  • POSITION ACROSS THE BOARD. DID NOT PRAISE RACISTS.

  • DID NOT PRAISE RACISTS. THAT’S NOT TRUE.

  • THAT’S NOT TRUE. NUMBER TWO, IF WE WANT THIS

  • NUMBER TWO, IF WE WANT THIS CAMPAIGN LITIGATED ON WHO

  • CAMPAIGN LITIGATED ON WHO SUPPORTS CIVIL RIGHTS AND

  • SUPPORTS CIVIL RIGHTS AND WHETHER I DID OR NOT, I’M HAPPY

  • WHETHER I DID OR NOT, I’M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

  • TO DO THAT. I WAS A PUBLIC DEFENDER.

  • I WAS A PUBLIC DEFENDER. I DIDN’T BECOME A PROSECUTOR.

  • I DIDN’T BECOME A PROSECUTOR. I LEFT A GOOD LAW FIRM TO BECOME

  • I LEFT A GOOD LAW FIRM TO BECOME A PUBLIC DEFENDER WHEN IN

  • A PUBLIC DEFENDER WHEN IN FACT -- IN FACT WHEN MY CITY WAS

  • FACT -- IN FACT WHEN MY CITY WAS IN FLAMES BECAUSE OF THE

  • IN FLAMES BECAUSE OF THE ASSASSINATION OF DR. KING.

  • ASSASSINATION OF DR. KING. >> DO YOU AGREE TODAY THAT YOU

  • >> DO YOU AGREE TODAY THAT YOU WERE WRONG TO OPPOSE BUSING IN

  • WERE WRONG TO OPPOSE BUSING IN AMERICA THEN?

  • AMERICA THEN? DO YOU AGREE?

  • DO YOU AGREE? >> I DID NOT OPPOSE BUSING IN

  • >> I DID NOT OPPOSE BUSING IN AMERICA.

  • AMERICA. WHAT I OPPOSED IS BUSING ORDER

  • WHAT I OPPOSED IS BUSING ORDER BY THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION

  • BY THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION THAT’S WHAT I OPPOSED.

  • THAT’S WHAT I OPPOSED. [ APPLAUSE ]

  • [ APPLAUSE ] >> ALL RIGHT.

  • >> ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS PART OF A HEATED

  • THAT WAS PART OF A HEATED EXCHANGE BETWEEN JOE BIDEN AND

  • EXCHANGE BETWEEN JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS DURING LAST

  • KAMALA HARRIS DURING LAST NIGHT’S DEBATE IN WHICH THE

  • NIGHT’S DEBATE IN WHICH THE SENATOR CRITICIZED THE FORMER

  • SENATOR CRITICIZED THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT’S RECORD ON RACE,

  • VICE PRESIDENT’S RECORD ON RACE, FOLLOWING HIS RECENT COMMENTS ON

  • FOLLOWING HIS RECENT COMMENTS ON WORKING WITH SEGREGATIONISTS

  • WORKING WITH SEGREGATIONISTS DURING HIS TIME IN THE SENATE.

  • DURING HIS TIME IN THE SENATE. JOINING US NOW, 2020 DEMOCRATIC

  • JOINING US NOW, 2020 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, SENATOR

  • PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS.

  • KAMALA HARRIS. AND I THINK -- I BELIEVE THIS

  • AND I THINK -- I BELIEVE THIS WOMAN OWNS THE ROOM.

  • WOMAN OWNS THE ROOM. [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]

  • [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ] ALL RIGHT.

  • ALL RIGHT. >> I WILL -- I WILL SAY, JOHN

  • >> I WILL -- I WILL SAY, JOHN HEILEMANN, THAT’S THE LOUDEST

  • HEILEMANN, THAT’S THE LOUDEST APPLAUSE I EVER HEARD FOR YOU.

  • APPLAUSE I EVER HEARD FOR YOU. >> SOMETIMES I’M LUCKY WITH YOU

  • >> SOMETIMES I’M LUCKY WITH YOU AS MY WING WOMAN.

  • AS MY WING WOMAN. >> SENATOR, I WAS TALKING OFF

  • >> SENATOR, I WAS TALKING OFF CAMERA WITH YOU AND I ASKED WHAT

  • CAMERA WITH YOU AND I ASKED WHAT YEAR THAT WAS.

  • YEAR THAT WAS. YOU SAID ’72.

  • YOU SAID ’72. I WAS IN MISSISSIPPI IN ’69,

  • I WAS IN MISSISSIPPI IN ’69, ’70.

  • ’70. THE FIRST YEAR MISSISSIPPI WAS

  • THE FIRST YEAR MISSISSIPPI WAS INTEGRATED AND I SAID -- THIS

  • INTEGRATED AND I SAID -- THIS HAS TO DO WITH GENERATIONAL

  • HAS TO DO WITH GENERATIONAL CHANGE, I SAID WHAT A BLESSING

  • CHANGE, I SAID WHAT A BLESSING IT WAS --

  • IT WAS -- >> THERE’S A PICTURE.

  • >> THERE’S A PICTURE. >> -- TO SEE THAT AS NORMAL.

  • >> -- TO SEE THAT AS NORMAL. >> YEAH.

  • >> YEAH. >> INTEGRATION NORMAL.

  • >> INTEGRATION NORMAL. >> RIGHT.

  • >> RIGHT. >> MY OLDER BROTHER AND SISTER

  • >> MY OLDER BROTHER AND SISTER WENT THROUGH A LOT MORE TURMOIL.

  • WENT THROUGH A LOT MORE TURMOIL. I’M JUST WONDERING IS THAT PART

  • I’M JUST WONDERING IS THAT PART OF JOE BIDEN’S PROBLEM?

  • OF JOE BIDEN’S PROBLEM? PART OF BERNIE SANDERSPROBLEM?

  • PART OF BERNIE SANDERSPROBLEM? IT’S A GENERATIONAL THING WHERE

  • IT’S A GENERATIONAL THING WHERE THAT WAS NORMAL FOR US IN OUR

  • THAT WAS NORMAL FOR US IN OUR OWN SETTINGS.

  • OWN SETTINGS. BUT FOR SOMEBODY OLDER, THEYRE

  • BUT FOR SOMEBODY OLDER, THEYRE STILL LIVING, THEY GREW UP IN A

  • STILL LIVING, THEY GREW UP IN A DIFFERENT AMERICA.

  • DIFFERENT AMERICA. >> YOU KNOW, THE WAY THINK ABOUT

  • >> YOU KNOW, THE WAY THINK ABOUT IT ON ANY ISSUE AND SO ON SO

  • IT ON ANY ISSUE AND SO ON SO MANY ISSUES THAT WILL IS COME UP

  • MANY ISSUES THAT WILL IS COME UP ON THAT DEBATE STAGE, WE HAVE TO

  • ON THAT DEBATE STAGE, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE REAL IMPACT ON

  • UNDERSTAND THE REAL IMPACT ON REAL HUMAN BEINGS IF WERE GOING

  • REAL HUMAN BEINGS IF WERE GOING TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION

  • TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION AND IF THAT IS BASED ON FACT AND

  • AND IF THAT IS BASED ON FACT AND IF IT’S GOING TO BE BASED ON

  • IF IT’S GOING TO BE BASED ON TRUTH.

  • TRUTH. SO THE POINT THAT I WAS RAISING

  • SO THE POINT THAT I WAS RAISING LAST NIGHT IS THAT THE

  • LAST NIGHT IS THAT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT

  • CONVERSATION ABOUT SEGREGATIONISTS AND WHO THEY

  • SEGREGATIONISTS AND WHO THEY WERE AND WHAT THEY DID IN

  • WERE AND WHAT THEY DID IN AMERICA CANNOT JUST BE AN

  • AMERICA CANNOT JUST BE AN INTELLECTUAL CONVERSATION.

  • INTELLECTUAL CONVERSATION. IT HAS TO BE GROUNDED IN THE

  • IT HAS TO BE GROUNDED IN THE EXPERIENCE OF REAL PEOPLE.

  • EXPERIENCE OF REAL PEOPLE. I CANNOT TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF

  • I CANNOT TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE -- NOW STRANGERS WHO HAVE

  • PEOPLE -- NOW STRANGERS WHO HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME SINCE LAST

  • REACHED OUT TO ME SINCE LAST NIGHT TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY

  • NIGHT TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY WERE BUSSED IN THE ’70s.

  • WERE BUSSED IN THE ’70s. AND THAT THE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT

  • AND THAT THE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT THE SEGREGATIONS WERE WERE

  • THE SEGREGATIONS WERE WERE HURTFUL TO THEM AND THEY WERE

  • HURTFUL TO THEM AND THEY WERE APPRECIATING THAT THERE WAS SOME

  • APPRECIATING THAT THERE WAS SOME AIRING OUT OF WHAT THAT

  • AIRING OUT OF WHAT THAT EXPERIENCE WAS.

  • EXPERIENCE WAS. THAT’S HOW I THINK ABOUT IT.

  • THAT’S HOW I THINK ABOUT IT. FRANKLY THAT’S HOW I THINK ABOUT

  • FRANKLY THAT’S HOW I THINK ABOUT EVERY ISSUE.

  • EVERY ISSUE. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE

  • WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION.

  • ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION. ALL OF US TRIES TO COMPEL US

  • ALL OF US TRIES TO COMPEL US WHAT A MOTHER IN THAT SITUATION

  • WHAT A MOTHER IN THAT SITUATION IS THINKING AND DOING THAT

  • IS THINKING AND DOING THAT CAUSES HER TO PUT HER CHILD INTO

  • CAUSES HER TO PUT HER CHILD INTO POTENTIAL PERIL.

  • POTENTIAL PERIL. YOU BECAUSE OF COURSE WHAT THAT

  • YOU BECAUSE OF COURSE WHAT THAT CHILD IS FLEEING IS EVEN WORSE.

  • CHILD IS FLEEING IS EVEN WORSE. WHAT IS OUR IMMIGRATION POLICY

  • WHAT IS OUR IMMIGRATION POLICY ABOUT IF WE TELL THEM TO GO BACK

  • ABOUT IF WE TELL THEM TO GO BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM?

  • WHERE THEY CAME FROM? THAT’S WHAT I HAVE IN MIND WHEN

  • THAT’S WHAT I HAVE IN MIND WHEN I SAY THAT MINE IS A 3:00 IN THE

  • I SAY THAT MINE IS A 3:00 IN THE MORNING AGENDA.

  • MORNING AGENDA. LET’S THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES.

  • LET’S THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES. AND THE WAY THEY REALLY IMPACT

  • AND THE WAY THEY REALLY IMPACT REAL PEOPLE WHEN THEY WAKE UP IN

  • REAL PEOPLE WHEN THEY WAKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, TRYING

  • THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT ALL

  • TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT ALL WORK.

  • WORK. >> SO A LOT TO GET TO, A LOT TO

  • >> SO A LOT TO GET TO, A LOT TO UNWIND IN THAT ANSWER.

  • UNWIND IN THAT ANSWER. BUT I GUESS LET’S JUST GO FROM

  • BUT I GUESS LET’S JUST GO FROM 30,000 FEET AND ASK A QUESTION

  • 30,000 FEET AND ASK A QUESTION AND THIS OF JOE BIDEN WHICH IS

  • AND THIS OF JOE BIDEN WHICH IS YOU SAY YOU KNOW HE’S NOT

  • YOU SAY YOU KNOW HE’S NOT RACIST.

  • RACIST. >> YEAH.

  • >> YEAH. >> DO YOU THINK HE’S RACIALLY

  • >> DO YOU THINK HE’S RACIALLY INSENSITIVE IN A WAY THAT MAKES

  • INSENSITIVE IN A WAY THAT MAKES HIM A POOR FIT TO BE PRESIDENT

  • HIM A POOR FIT TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

  • OF THE UNITED STATES? >> I WOULDN’T SAY THAT.

  • >> I WOULDN’T SAY THAT. I JUST THINK HE AND I HAVE A

  • I JUST THINK HE AND I HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.

  • DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. AND ALSO A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION

  • AND ALSO A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON STATES RIGHTS.

  • ON STATES RIGHTS. I WAS ACTUALLY A BIT SURPRISED

  • I WAS ACTUALLY A BIT SURPRISED TO HEAR HOW HE DESCRIBED IN

  • TO HEAR HOW HE DESCRIBED IN DEFENSE OF HIS POSITION HIS

  • DEFENSE OF HIS POSITION HIS PERSPECTIVE ON THE ROLE OF THE

  • PERSPECTIVE ON THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IN

  • FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IN PARTICULAR HE MENTIONED THE

  • PARTICULAR HE MENTIONED THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.

  • DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHY I SAID,

  • YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHY I SAID, LOOK, WE HAVE SO MANY EXAMPLES

  • LOOK, WE HAVE SO MANY EXAMPLES IN HISTORY OF WHERE STATES HAVE

  • IN HISTORY OF WHERE STATES HAVE LIMITED OR RESTRICTED PEOPLE’S

  • LIMITED OR RESTRICTED PEOPLE’S CIVIL RIGHTS SO THAT IS WHY WE

  • CIVIL RIGHTS SO THAT IS WHY WE AGREED AND FOUGHT FOR THE VOTING

  • AGREED AND FOUGHT FOR THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

  • RIGHTS ACT. WHICH OF COURSE IS ABOUT THE

  • WHICH OF COURSE IS ABOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYING, LOOK,

  • FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYING, LOOK, IF YOU ALL ARE GOING TO TRAMPLE

  • IF YOU ALL ARE GOING TO TRAMPLE ON PEOPLE’S VOTING RIGHTS THEN

  • ON PEOPLE’S VOTING RIGHTS THEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING

  • THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO STEP IN BECAUSE WE HAVE

  • TO STEP IN BECAUSE WE HAVE CERTAIN VALUES THAT ARE NATIONAL

  • CERTAIN VALUES THAT ARE NATIONAL STANDARDS AND WE WON’T LET

  • STANDARDS AND WE WON’T LET STATES COMPROMISE THAT.

  • STATES COMPROMISE THAT. >> ALL RIGHT.

  • >> ALL RIGHT. I KNOW BUSING WAS UNPOPULAR IN

  • I KNOW BUSING WAS UNPOPULAR IN THE ’70s.

  • THE ’70s. >> YEAH.

  • >> YEAH. >> I KNOW BUSING WAS UNPOPULAR

  • >> I KNOW BUSING WAS UNPOPULAR THE LAST TIME THAT THERE WAS A

  • THE LAST TIME THAT THERE WAS A POLL WAS TAKEN AND IF YOU WENT

  • POLL WAS TAKEN AND IF YOU WENT TO LIBERTY CITY YOULL FIND THE

  • TO LIBERTY CITY YOULL FIND THE SEGREGATED SCHOOLS.

  • SEGREGATED SCHOOLS. IN HARLEM, THE BRONX, THE

  • IN HARLEM, THE BRONX, THE SEGREGATED SCHOOLS.

  • SEGREGATED SCHOOLS. WE DON’T SUPPORT BUSING RIGHT

  • WE DON’T SUPPORT BUSING RIGHT NOW --

  • NOW -- >> JOE, YOURE RIGHT TO TALK

  • >> JOE, YOURE RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAJECTORY OF THIS

  • ABOUT THE TRAJECTORY OF THIS ISSUE.

  • ISSUE. AND SO IF -- SO TO HAVE A

  • AND SO IF -- SO TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT

  • COMPREHENSIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT

  • IT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT 1954 AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF

  • 1954 AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF BROWN V BOARD OF EDUCATIONWHICH

  • BROWN V BOARD OF EDUCATIONWHICH IF THE SUPREME COURT HAD NOT

  • IF THE SUPREME COURT HAD NOT DECIDED IT I WOULD NOT BE

  • DECIDED IT I WOULD NOT BE SITTING HERE AS A MEMBER OF THE

  • SITTING HERE AS A MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND AS A

  • UNITED STATES SENATE AND AS A SERIOUS CONTENDER FOR THE UNITED

  • SERIOUS CONTENDER FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

  • STATES OF AMERICA. WHEN BROWN V BOARD OF EDUCATION

  • WHEN BROWN V BOARD OF EDUCATION WAS DECIDED AND THEN BUSING

  • WAS DECIDED AND THEN BUSING FOLLOWED, THAT WAS THE WAY WELL

  • FOLLOWED, THAT WAS THE WAY WELL INTEGRATE SCHOOLS THAT WAS THE

  • INTEGRATE SCHOOLS THAT WAS THE BEGINNING OF CERTAIN FAMILIES

  • BEGINNING OF CERTAIN FAMILIES FROM -- BEGINNING OF THE FLIGHT

  • FROM -- BEGINNING OF THE FLIGHT OF CERTAIN FAMILIES FROM PUBLIC

  • OF CERTAIN FAMILIES FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAT’S WHY ONE OF MY

  • SCHOOLS THAT’S WHY ONE OF MY ISSUES IS ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO

  • ISSUES IS ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO PAY TEACHERS THEIR VALUE.

  • DO TO PAY TEACHERS THEIR VALUE. BECAUSE OVER THE COURSE OF THAT

  • BECAUSE OVER THE COURSE OF THAT PERIOD OF TIME WE HAVE ALSO

  • PERIOD OF TIME WE HAVE ALSO DEVALUED AND PULLED RESOURCES

  • DEVALUED AND PULLED RESOURCES FROM THE PUBLIC EDUCATION IN

  • FROM THE PUBLIC EDUCATION IN AMERICA.

  • AMERICA. YES, YOU SEE THE SEGREGATED

  • YES, YOU SEE THE SEGREGATED SCHOOLS BUT IT’S ABOUT

  • SCHOOLS BUT IT’S ABOUT SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS OF

  • SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS OF FAMILIES.

  • FAMILIES. THE FAMILIES THAT CAN AFFORD TO

  • THE FAMILIES THAT CAN AFFORD TO PUT THEIR KIDS IN PRIVATE

  • PUT THEIR KIDS IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS DO BECAUSE THE RESOURCES

  • SCHOOLS DO BECAUSE THE RESOURCES ARE THERE FOR A BETTER EDUCATION

  • ARE THERE FOR A BETTER EDUCATION OFTEN.

  • OFTEN. TEACHERS ARE PAID BETTER.

  • TEACHERS ARE PAID BETTER. SO THAT’S WHY ONE OF MY

  • SO THAT’S WHY ONE OF MY PROPOSALS THAT I’M VERY PROUD OF

  • PROPOSALS THAT I’M VERY PROUD OF IS TO SAY LET’S PAY TEACHERS

  • IS TO SAY LET’S PAY TEACHERS THEIR VALUE AND I’M PREPARED AS

  • THEIR VALUE AND I’M PREPARED AS PRESIDENT TO HAVE THE FIRST

  • PRESIDENT TO HAVE THE FIRST FEDERAL INVESTMENT TO THE

  • FEDERAL INVESTMENT TO THE TEACHER PAY GAP BEING CLOSED IN

  • TEACHER PAY GAP BEING CLOSED IN AMERICA.

  • AMERICA. >> LET ME END.

  • >> LET ME END. SO MANY QUESTIONS WE COULD DO

  • SO MANY QUESTIONS WE COULD DO THIS ALL DAY.

  • THIS ALL DAY. AT LEAST I COULD.

  • AT LEAST I COULD. BUT LET ME END WITH ONE QUESTION

  • BUT LET ME END WITH ONE QUESTION THAT YOULL CERTAINLY HEAR FROM

  • THAT YOULL CERTAINLY HEAR FROM CONSERVATIVES.

  • CONSERVATIVES. YOULL CERTAINLY HEAR FROM

  • YOULL CERTAINLY HEAR FROM DONALD TRUMP IF YOU WIN THE

  • DONALD TRUMP IF YOU WIN THE NOMINATION.

  • NOMINATION. AND THAT IS THAT HE COULD QUOTE,

  • AND THAT IS THAT HE COULD QUOTE, FOR INSTANCE, THE PRESIDENT OF

  • FOR INSTANCE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE URBAN LEAGUE IN MIAMI, WHO

  • THE URBAN LEAGUE IN MIAMI, WHO SAID IT IS LIBERALS THAT ARE

  • SAID IT IS LIBERALS THAT ARE ACTUALLY STOPPING POOR BLACK

  • ACTUALLY STOPPING POOR BLACK CHILDREN AND THEIR PARENTS IN

  • CHILDREN AND THEIR PARENTS IN MIAMI OR IN HARLEM FROM BEING

  • MIAMI OR IN HARLEM FROM BEING ABLE TO GO TO THE SCHOOLS OF

  • ABLE TO GO TO THE SCHOOLS OF THEIR CHOICE NOW BECAUSE LIKE

  • THEIR CHOICE NOW BECAUSE LIKE FOR INSTANCE, HARLEM VILLAGE

  • FOR INSTANCE, HARLEM VILLAGE ACADEMIES, THERE’S A QUOTA.

  • ACADEMIES, THERE’S A QUOTA. TEACHERS UNIONS DO NOT WANT TO

  • TEACHERS UNIONS DO NOT WANT TO ALLOW CHILDREN TO MAKE THOSE

  • ALLOW CHILDREN TO MAKE THOSE SORT OF CHOICES, PARENTS TO MAKE

  • SORT OF CHOICES, PARENTS TO MAKE THOSE SORT OF CHOICES TO BE ABLE

  • THOSE SORT OF CHOICES TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE SCHOOLS THEY WANT

  • TO GO TO THE SCHOOLS THEY WANT TO GO TO.

  • TO GO TO. >> BUT YOU KNOW, THERE’S SO MUCH

  • >> BUT YOU KNOW, THERE’S SO MUCH ABOUT THAT ARGUMENT THAT REALLY

  • ABOUT THAT ARGUMENT THAT REALLY IS MOTIVATED BY FOLKS WHO DO NOT

  • IS MOTIVATED BY FOLKS WHO DO NOT VALUE PUBLIC EDUCATION.

  • VALUE PUBLIC EDUCATION. AND ARE ATTEMPTING TO PRIVATIZE

  • AND ARE ATTEMPTING TO PRIVATIZE EDUCATION.

  • EDUCATION. >> WHAT ABOUT PARENTS WHO WANT

  • >> WHAT ABOUT PARENTS WHO WANT TO MAKE THE CHOICES --

  • TO MAKE THE CHOICES -- >> WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO PARENTS,

  • >> WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO PARENTS, WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO PARENTS AND

  • WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO PARENTS AND WE HAVE LISTEN AND RESPECT TO

  • WE HAVE LISTEN AND RESPECT TO THE DECISIONS THEY WANT AND NEED

  • THE DECISIONS THEY WANT AND NEED TO MAKE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF

  • TO MAKE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THEIR CHILDREN.

  • THEIR CHILDREN. BUT IF WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW

  • BUT IF WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE DO WITH A SYSTEM AND

  • DO WE DO WITH A SYSTEM AND WHAT’S THE BEST PUBLIC POLICY TO

  • WHAT’S THE BEST PUBLIC POLICY TO IMPROVE EDUCATION FOR OUR

  • IMPROVE EDUCATION FOR OUR CHILDREN AND THE VAST MAJORITY

  • CHILDREN AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR CHILDREN, THAT IS ABOUT

  • OF OUR CHILDREN, THAT IS ABOUT PUTTING MORE RESOURCES IN TO

  • PUTTING MORE RESOURCES IN TO PUBLIC EDUCATION.

  • PUBLIC EDUCATION. PAYING OUR TEACHERS BETTER.

  • PAYING OUR TEACHERS BETTER. UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR SYSTEM IS

  • UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR SYSTEM IS UPSIDE DOWN WHEN WE FUND SCHOOL

  • UPSIDE DOWN WHEN WE FUND SCHOOL DISTRICTS BASED ON THE TAX BASE

  • DISTRICTS BASED ON THE TAX BASE OF THAT COMMUNITY SO GUESS WHAT?

  • OF THAT COMMUNITY SO GUESS WHAT? >> RIGHT.

  • >> RIGHT. >> THE LOWEST TAX BASE HAS THE

  • >> THE LOWEST TAX BASE HAS THE FEWEST RESOURCES AND NOT BY

  • FEWEST RESOURCES AND NOT BY COINCIDENCE HAS THE HIGHEST

  • COINCIDENCE HAS THE HIGHEST NEED.

  • NEED. IT’S BANANAS THE WAY WERE DOING

  • IT’S BANANAS THE WAY WERE DOING PUBLIC EDUCATION IN THIS COUNTRY

  • PUBLIC EDUCATION IN THIS COUNTRY AND WE HAVE TO GET BETTER IF

  • AND WE HAVE TO GET BETTER IF WERE GOING TO COMPETE -- IF

  • WERE GOING TO COMPETE -- IF WERE GOING TO COMPETE.

  • WERE GOING TO COMPETE. >> WILLIE?

  • >> WILLIE? >> SENATOR, PUT A BOW ON YOUR

  • >> SENATOR, PUT A BOW ON YOUR BACK AND FORTH WITH VICE

  • BACK AND FORTH WITH VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN LAST NIGHT.

  • PRESIDENT BIDEN LAST NIGHT. HE SAYS THAT THE CASE AGAINST

  • HE SAYS THAT THE CASE AGAINST HIM -- HIS COMMENTS TALKING

  • HIM -- HIS COMMENTS TALKING ABOUT THE SEGREGATIONIST

  • ABOUT THE SEGREGATIONIST SENATORS IS BONUS HERE.

  • SENATORS IS BONUS HERE. THAT WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS YOU

  • THAT WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHEN

  • HAVE TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHEN YOURE IN THE UNITED STATES

  • YOURE IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE LIKE SEGREGATIONISTS TO

  • SENATE LIKE SEGREGATIONISTS TO GET THINGS DONE.

  • GET THINGS DONE. WE HAVE TO WIN OUT, OUR IDEAS

  • WE HAVE TO WIN OUT, OUR IDEAS HAVE TO PREVAIL, BUT YOU HAVE TO

  • HAVE TO PREVAIL, BUT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH PEOPLE LIKE THAT IF

  • WORK WITH PEOPLE LIKE THAT IF YOU WANT TO WIN IN THE SENATE.

  • YOU WANT TO WIN IN THE SENATE. DO YOU BELIEVE HE WAS

  • DO YOU BELIEVE HE WAS SYMPATHIZING WITH THE

  • SYMPATHIZING WITH THE SEGREGATIONISTS OR DO YOU ACCEPT

  • SEGREGATIONISTS OR DO YOU ACCEPT HIS EXPLANATION SAYING YOU HAVE

  • HIS EXPLANATION SAYING YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH EVERYBODY TO GET

  • TO DEAL WITH EVERYBODY TO GET THINGS DONE?

  • THINGS DONE? >> THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT WE

  • >> THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT WE HAVE GOT TO FIND COMMON GROUND.

  • HAVE GOT TO FIND COMMON GROUND. AND I -- IN FACT, WHEN I ARRIVED

  • AND I -- IN FACT, WHEN I ARRIVED AT THE UNITED STATES SENATE

  • AT THE UNITED STATES SENATE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, THAT WAS

  • ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, THAT WAS ONE OF MY MAIN FOCUS -- AREAS OF

  • ONE OF MY MAIN FOCUS -- AREAS OF FOCUS.

  • FOCUS. IN FACT, THAT’S WHY I’M PROUD

  • IN FACT, THAT’S WHY I’M PROUD THAT TWO OF MY MOST SIGNIFICANT

  • THAT TWO OF MY MOST SIGNIFICANT PIECES OF LEGISLATION ARE

  • PIECES OF LEGISLATION ARE BIPARTISAN.

  • BIPARTISAN. ONE TO REFORM THE CASH MONEY

  • ONE TO REFORM THE CASH MONEY BAIL SYSTEM IN THE UNITED

  • BAIL SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES.

  • STATES. AND WE HAD SPONSORS ON THAT.

  • AND WE HAD SPONSORS ON THAT. SOMEONE WITH WHOM I DISAGREE

  • SOMEONE WITH WHOM I DISAGREE WITH MANY THINGS, BUT WE AGREE

  • WITH MANY THINGS, BUT WE AGREE ON THIS VEHEMENTLY WHICH IS RAND

  • ON THIS VEHEMENTLY WHICH IS RAND PAUL.

  • PAUL. >> WOW.

  • >> WOW. >> I WISH THE MAJORITY LEADER

  • >> I WISH THE MAJORITY LEADER WOULD PUT THIS ON THE FLOOR FOR

  • WOULD PUT THIS ON THE FLOOR FOR A VOTE WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE

  • A VOTE WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE NEED TO UPGRADE AMERICA’S

  • NEED TO UPGRADE AMERICA’S ELECTION SYSTEM AND WHY?

  • ELECTION SYSTEM AND WHY? GUESS WHAT, NEWS ALERT, RUSSIA

  • GUESS WHAT, NEWS ALERT, RUSSIA INTERFERED IN THE ELECTION FOR

  • INTERFERED IN THE ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

  • PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND WE NEED TO HAVE A STRONGER

  • AND WE NEED TO HAVE A STRONGER SYSTEM.

  • SYSTEM. THE COSPONSOR ON THAT -- LEAD

  • THE COSPONSOR ON THAT -- LEAD COSPONSOR ON THAT IS A FELLOW

  • COSPONSOR ON THAT IS A FELLOW WITH WHOM I SERVE ON THE SENATE

  • WITH WHOM I SERVE ON THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE AND THE

  • INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE AND THE SENATE HOMELAND COMMITTEE, JAMES

  • SENATE HOMELAND COMMITTEE, JAMES LANKFORD.

  • LANKFORD. >> VICE PRESIDENT’S POINT YOU

  • >> VICE PRESIDENT’S POINT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH WHOM YOU

  • HAVE TO WORK WITH WHOM YOU DISAGREE --

  • DISAGREE -- >> OF COURSE YOU DO.

  • >> OF COURSE YOU DO. BUT LISTEN, THERE ARE NO

  • BUT LISTEN, THERE ARE NO SEGREGATIONISTS IN THE UNITED

  • SEGREGATIONISTS IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE TODAY.

  • STATES SENATE TODAY. >> YOU GOT IT.

  • >> YOU GOT IT. >> THANK GOD, AND I THINK THAT

  • >> THANK GOD, AND I THINK THAT AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO DRAW

  • AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE.

  • THE LINE. FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING

  • FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THE

  • THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THE RACISTS SHOULD NOT COMINGLE AND

  • RACISTS SHOULD NOT COMINGLE AND ON THE HEELS OF A HISTORY OF

  • ON THE HEELS OF A HISTORY OF EXTREME PAIN AND DAMAGE NOT TO

  • EXTREME PAIN AND DAMAGE NOT TO MENTION DEATH, YOU HAVE GOT TO

  • MENTION DEATH, YOU HAVE GOT TO DRAW THE LINE.

  • DRAW THE LINE. >> SO HE SHOULDN’T HAVE WORKED

  • >> SO HE SHOULDN’T HAVE WORKED WITH THEM IS WHAT YOURE SAYING?

  • WITH THEM IS WHAT YOURE SAYING? >> NO, I’M SAYING THAT THE

  • >> NO, I’M SAYING THAT THE CHARACTERIZATION AND THE

  • CHARACTERIZATION AND THE NOSTALGIA ABOUT WHO THEY WERE I

  • NOSTALGIA ABOUT WHO THEY WERE I FIND TO BE MISPLACED AND IT WAS

  • FIND TO BE MISPLACED AND IT WAS HURTFUL TO ME TO HEAR THAT WE

  • HURTFUL TO ME TO HEAR THAT WE WOULD BE NOSTALGIC ABOUT PEOPLE

  • WOULD BE NOSTALGIC ABOUT PEOPLE WHO -- IF THEY HAD THEIR WAY I

  • WHO -- IF THEY HAD THEIR WAY I WOULD NOT SERVE IN THE UNITED

  • WOULD NOT SERVE IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE.

  • STATES SENATE. >> REV?

  • >> REV? >> I THINK THE CHARACTERIZATION

  • >> I THINK THE CHARACTERIZATION IS THE PROBLEM.

  • IS THE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM IS THAT NOT THE

  • THE PROBLEM IS THAT NOT THE REFERENCE -- SURE YOU HAVE TO

  • REFERENCE -- SURE YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH PEOPLE.

  • WORK WITH PEOPLE. >> SURE.

  • >> SURE. >> TWO THINGS THAT REALLY STOOD

  • >> TWO THINGS THAT REALLY STOOD OUT FOR ME LAST NIGHT IS WHEN

  • OUT FOR ME LAST NIGHT IS WHEN YOU RAISED ABOUT BUSING, BECAUSE

  • YOU RAISED ABOUT BUSING, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT AND JOE

  • A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT AND JOE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS

  • AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS INCESSANTLY THAT RACISM STOPPED

  • INCESSANTLY THAT RACISM STOPPED IN THE SOUTH.

  • IN THE SOUTH. YOU CAME OUT OF THE NORTHWEST.

  • YOU CAME OUT OF THE NORTHWEST. I CAME OUT OF THE NORTHEAST.

  • I CAME OUT OF THE NORTHEAST. >> THAT’S RIGHT.

  • >> THAT’S RIGHT. >> WE WERE BOTH BUSSED.

  • >> WE WERE BOTH BUSSED. WE FACED THE SAME PROBLEM.

  • WE FACED THE SAME PROBLEM. >> THAT’S RIGHT.

  • >> THAT’S RIGHT. >> I WAS RAISED -- AND THE CIVIL

  • >> I WAS RAISED -- AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS BEFORE ME, JOHN LEWIS,

  • RIGHTS BEFORE ME, JOHN LEWIS, JESSE JACKSON, THEY GREW UP IN

  • JESSE JACKSON, THEY GREW UP IN THE SOUTH.

  • THE SOUTH. WE WENT THROUGH IT IN THE NORTH

  • WE WENT THROUGH IT IN THE NORTH AND THAT’S WHAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT

  • AND THAT’S WHAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT THAT LAST NIGHT AND I WISH YOU

  • THAT LAST NIGHT AND I WISH YOU SHOULD EXPLAIN THAT.

  • SHOULD EXPLAIN THAT. AND WHAT SHOWED ENCOURAGE IN THE

  • AND WHAT SHOWED ENCOURAGE IN THE GENERATION WHEN WE BEGAN TO

  • GENERATION WHEN WE BEGAN TO CONFRONT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE

  • CONFRONT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM YOU TOOK A LOT OF HITS

  • SYSTEM YOU TOOK A LOT OF HITS GOING IN THE SYSTEM TO FIGHT

  • GOING IN THE SYSTEM TO FIGHT INSIDE EVEN THOUGH SOME IN THE

  • INSIDE EVEN THOUGH SOME IN THE COMMUNITY SAID WE DON’T WANT TO

  • COMMUNITY SAID WE DON’T WANT TO BE DEALING WITH SOME PROSECUTOR,

  • BE DEALING WITH SOME PROSECUTOR, NO, WE NEED TO -- AND YOU

  • NO, WE NEED TO -- AND YOU CHANGED THE PROSECUTORIAL

  • CHANGED THE PROSECUTORIAL SYSTEM.

  • SYSTEM. SO YOU HAD -- THERE WAS GENDER

  • SO YOU HAD -- THERE WAS GENDER BIAS AND YOUR OWN COMMUNITY SAID

  • BIAS AND YOUR OWN COMMUNITY SAID WHAT ARE YOU A COP, NO, I’M HERE

  • WHAT ARE YOU A COP, NO, I’M HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT GRANDMA

  • TO MAKE SURE THAT GRANDMA DOESN’T GET HER HOUSEBROKEN

  • DOESN’T GET HER HOUSEBROKEN INTO.

  • INTO. >> THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT.

  • >> THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT. I GUESS PART OF IT AS YOU

  • I GUESS PART OF IT AS YOU MENTIONED IT THAT WAY, REV, I’M

  • MENTIONED IT THAT WAY, REV, I’M NEVER GOING TO HEAR THAT YOU

  • NEVER GOING TO HEAR THAT YOU DON’T BELONG HERE.

  • DON’T BELONG HERE. I DON’T HEAR THOSE WORDS.

  • I DON’T HEAR THOSE WORDS. AND SO ON THE ISSUE OF

  • AND SO ON THE ISSUE OF SEGREGATION TO YOUR POINT AND

  • SEGREGATION TO YOUR POINT AND BUSING, IN FACT, I JUST GOT A

  • BUSING, IN FACT, I JUST GOT A NOTE FROM -- THIS IS ACTUALLY --

  • NOTE FROM -- THIS IS ACTUALLY -- THIS MATCHES -- BLENDS BOTH OF

  • THIS MATCHES -- BLENDS BOTH OF YOUR POINTS FROM A RETIRED

  • YOUR POINTS FROM A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER WHO DREW UP IN

  • POLICE OFFICER WHO DREW UP IN BROOKLYN WHO WAS BUSSED IN THE

  • BROOKLYN WHO WAS BUSSED IN THE ’70s IN REACHING OUT TO TALK

  • ’70s IN REACHING OUT TO TALK ABOUT THAT SHARED EXPERIENCE.

  • ABOUT THAT SHARED EXPERIENCE. WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO

  • WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO REFORM SYSTEMS IN AMERICA,

  • DO TO REFORM SYSTEMS IN AMERICA, I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THERE IS

  • I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AN IMPORTANT AND A VALUABLE ROLE

  • AN IMPORTANT AND A VALUABLE ROLE TO HAVE FOLKS ON THE OUTSIDE, MY

  • TO HAVE FOLKS ON THE OUTSIDE, MY PARENTS WERE ACTIVE IN THE CIVIL

  • PARENTS WERE ACTIVE IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.

  • RIGHTS MOVEMENT. MY SISTER AND I JOKE WE GREW UP

  • MY SISTER AND I JOKE WE GREW UP BEING SURROUNDED BY ADULTS

  • BEING SURROUNDED BY ADULTS MARCHING AND SHOUTING.

  • MARCHING AND SHOUTING. THERE IS ALSO A ROLE TO BE

  • THERE IS ALSO A ROLE TO BE INSIDE THE ROOM WHERE THE

  • INSIDE THE ROOM WHERE THE DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE.

  • DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE. AND TO HELP INFORM AND INFLUENCE

  • AND TO HELP INFORM AND INFLUENCE PROGRESSION AND CHANGE AND

  • PROGRESSION AND CHANGE AND REFORM FROM THAT PLACE.

  • REFORM FROM THAT PLACE. THAT HAS BEEN THE KIND OF

  • THAT HAS BEEN THE KIND OF APPROACH THAT I HAVE TAKEN

  • APPROACH THAT I HAVE TAKEN THROUGHOUT MY CAREER.

  • THROUGHOUT MY CAREER. INCLUDING TODAY.CAREER,

  • INCLUDING TODAY.CAREER, INCLUDING TODAY.

  • INCLUDING TODAY. >> JOHN HELLMAN.

  • >> JOHN HELLMAN. >> WE JUST TALKED ABOUT CRIMINAL

  • >> WE JUST TALKED ABOUT CRIMINAL JUSTICE.

  • JUSTICE. I WAS WATCHING "13th" THE OTHER

  • I WAS WATCHING "13th" THE OTHER DAY FOR A REALLY GOOD TIME.

  • DAY FOR A REALLY GOOD TIME. REALLY GOOD MOVIE.

  • REALLY GOOD MOVIE. IT TALKS ABOUT A THING ABOUT

  • IT TALKS ABOUT A THING ABOUT WHICH THERE’S BIPARTISAN

  • WHICH THERE’S BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO

  • AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO DISMANTLE IT, RIGHT?

  • DISMANTLE IT, RIGHT? THAT’S WHAT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE

  • THAT’S WHAT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM IS ABOUT.

  • REFORM IS ABOUT. YOU WATCH THAT WHOLE MOVIE, A

  • YOU WATCH THAT WHOLE MOVIE, A LOT OF THE BLAME LAYS WITH THE

  • LOT OF THE BLAME LAYS WITH THE 1994 CRIME BILL.

  • 1994 CRIME BILL. >> YEAH.

  • >> YEAH. >> THREE STRIPES AND YOURE OUT.

  • >> THREE STRIPES AND YOURE OUT. MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES,

  • MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES, DISPARITY BETWEEN CRACK AND

  • DISPARITY BETWEEN CRACK AND POWDER COCAINE, DEATH PENALTY,

  • POWDER COCAINE, DEATH PENALTY, ALL THAT STUFF.

  • ALL THAT STUFF. NO ONE MORE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE

  • NO ONE MORE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 1994 CRIME BILL THAN JOE BIDEN.

  • 1994 CRIME BILL THAN JOE BIDEN. SO I ASK THE QUESTION AS WE GO

  • SO I ASK THE QUESTION AS WE GO FORWARD, IT’S AN ISSUE THAT

  • FORWARD, IT’S AN ISSUE THAT MATTERS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT

  • MATTERS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT ESPECIALLY AFRICAN-AMERICANS.

  • ESPECIALLY AFRICAN-AMERICANS. WHAT ROLE DO YOU THINK THE

  • WHAT ROLE DO YOU THINK THE DEBATE OVER THAT SET OF ISSUES

  • DEBATE OVER THAT SET OF ISSUES AND VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN’S ROLE

  • AND VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN’S ROLE CENTRAL ROLE IN IMPLEMENTING

  • CENTRAL ROLE IN IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THOSE POLICIES IS GOING

  • SOME OF THOSE POLICIES IS GOING TO HAVE IN THIS NOMINATION

  • TO HAVE IN THIS NOMINATION FIGHT?

  • FIGHT? >> WELL, WITHOUT ANY QUESTION,

  • >> WELL, WITHOUT ANY QUESTION, THE ISSUE OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO

  • THE ISSUE OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO REFORM THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE

  • TO REFORM THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM I THINK IS GOING TO BE A

  • SYSTEM I THINK IS GOING TO BE A FRONT AND CENTER ISSUE IN THIS

  • FRONT AND CENTER ISSUE IN THIS CAMPAIGN BECAUSE IT IS AN ISSUE

  • CAMPAIGN BECAUSE IT IS AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE FRONT AND

  • THAT NEEDS TO BE FRONT AND CENTER IN AMERICA.

  • CENTER IN AMERICA. AND THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT

  • AND THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THAT CRIME BILL CONTRIBUTEDED TO

  • THAT CRIME BILL CONTRIBUTEDED TO AMERICA’S MASS INCARCERATION

  • AMERICA’S MASS INCARCERATION PROBLEM, INCLUDING THE FUNDING

  • PROBLEM, INCLUDING THE FUNDING AND BUILDING OF STATE PRISONS.

  • AND BUILDING OF STATE PRISONS. BUT THE WAY I THINK ABOUT IT IS,

  • BUT THE WAY I THINK ABOUT IT IS, YES, AGAIN, WE MUST REMEMBER

  • YES, AGAIN, WE MUST REMEMBER HISTORY.

  • HISTORY. WE MUST NOT SUGAR COAT IT AND

  • WE MUST NOT SUGAR COAT IT AND LET US MOVE ON.

  • LET US MOVE ON. SO MY FOCUS WHEN IT COMES TO

  • SO MY FOCUS WHEN IT COMES TO CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM IS ON

  • CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM IS ON ISSUES ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO

  • ISSUES ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO AROUND BAIL REFORM.

  • AROUND BAIL REFORM. MY ISSUE IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO

  • MY ISSUE IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO ABOUT HAVING A DEPARTMENT OF

  • ABOUT HAVING A DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE UNLIKE THIS DEPARTMENT

  • JUSTICE UNLIKE THIS DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE UNDER DONALD TRUMP

  • OF JUSTICE UNDER DONALD TRUMP WHICH IS TRYING TO TURN BACK THE

  • WHICH IS TRYING TO TURN BACK THE CLOCK AND REVIVE THE WAR ON

  • CLOCK AND REVIVE THE WAR ON DRUGS, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO

  • DRUGS, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO UNDERSTAND DRUG POLL NEEDS TO BE

  • UNDERSTAND DRUG POLL NEEDS TO BE GROUNDED IN NATURE, IT SHOULD

  • GROUNDED IN NATURE, IT SHOULD NOT BE A CRIMINAL JUSTICE ISSUE.

  • NOT BE A CRIMINAL JUSTICE ISSUE. >> DO YOU THINK JOE BIDEN HAS A

  • >> DO YOU THINK JOE BIDEN HAS A LOT TO ANSWER FOR IN THAT

  • LOT TO ANSWER FOR IN THAT CONTEXT?

  • CONTEXT? BILL CLINTON A COUPLE OF YEARS

  • BILL CLINTON A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO HAD TO BASICALLY COME OUT

  • AGO HAD TO BASICALLY COME OUT NAACP AND SAY I’M SORRY FOR THE

  • NAACP AND SAY I’M SORRY FOR THE 1994 CRIME BILL.

  • 1994 CRIME BILL. >> AND YOU HAVE TO ADD BERNIE

  • >> AND YOU HAVE TO ADD BERNIE SANDERS TO THAT ISSUE, AS WELL.

  • SANDERS TO THAT ISSUE, AS WELL. BERNIE SUPPORTED THE BILL, TOO.

  • BERNIE SUPPORTED THE BILL, TOO. >> SO THAT’S MY QUESTION.

  • >> SO THAT’S MY QUESTION. IF YOU WERE -- I MEAN, PART OF

  • IF YOU WERE -- I MEAN, PART OF THE REASON I THINK IS JOE BIDEN

  • THE REASON I THINK IS JOE BIDEN CLAIMS CREDIT FOR IT AT THE

  • CLAIMS CREDIT FOR IT AT THE TIME.

  • TIME. SO I JUST ASK WHETHER DO YOU

  • SO I JUST ASK WHETHER DO YOU THINK HE HAS A LOT TO ANSWER FOR

  • THINK HE HAS A LOT TO ANSWER FOR IN THAT CONTEXT?

  • IN THAT CONTEXT? SHOULD HE DO WHAT BILL CLINTON

  • SHOULD HE DO WHAT BILL CLINTON DID AND APOLOGIZE BECAUSE BILL

  • DID AND APOLOGIZE BECAUSE BILL LITTON DID THAT BACK IN 2015 OR

  • LITTON DID THAT BACK IN 2015 OR 2016.

  • 2016. IS THAT IMPORTANT?

  • IS THAT IMPORTANT? >> I’M NOT GOING TO TELL JOE

  • >> I’M NOT GOING TO TELL JOE BIDEN WHAT TO DO, BUT WERE ALL

  • BIDEN WHAT TO DO, BUT WERE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO SPEAK FOR OUR

  • GOING TO HAVE TO SPEAK FOR OUR RECORDS, PERIOD.

  • RECORDS, PERIOD. >> BUT A LOT OF YUCK PEOPLE

  • >> BUT A LOT OF YUCK PEOPLE TODAY ARE GROWING UP IN HOMES

  • TODAY ARE GROWING UP IN HOMES WHERE THE FATHER WASN’T THERE

  • WHERE THE FATHER WASN’T THERE BECAUSE OF THAT CRIME BILL.

  • BECAUSE OF THAT CRIME BILL. YOU KNOW, WHEN I CAME OUT AND

  • YOU KNOW, WHEN I CAME OUT AND MARCHED ON THAT CRIME BILL IN

  • MARCHED ON THAT CRIME BILL IN ’94, MOST OF THE CONGRESSIONAL

  • ’94, MOST OF THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS WAS WITH THAT.

  • BLACK CAUCUS WAS WITH THAT. BUT THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND, IT

  • BUT THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND, IT BROKE DOWN A LOT OF OUR

  • BROKE DOWN A LOT OF OUR FAMILIES.

  • FAMILIES. PEOPLE WERE DOING UNFAIR LONG

  • PEOPLE WERE DOING UNFAIR LONG SENTENCES BECAUSE OF THAT CRIME

  • SENTENCES BECAUSE OF THAT CRIME BILL AND KIDS WERE GROWING UP

  • BILL AND KIDS WERE GROWING UP WITHOUT A FATHER.

  • WITHOUT A FATHER. THAT’S REAL AND THAT’S NOT GOING

  • THAT’S REAL AND THAT’S NOT GOING AWAY.

  • AWAY. >> AND IT WAS DURING THAT ERA

  • >> AND IT WAS DURING THAT ERA WHERE DEMOCRATS, THERE WAS THIS

  • WHERE DEMOCRATS, THERE WAS THIS SWING.

  • SWING. BECAUSE LET’S GO BACK, RIGHT, TO

  • BECAUSE LET’S GO BACK, RIGHT, TO DUKAKIS’S CAMPAIGN.

  • DUKAKIS’S CAMPAIGN. REMEMBER WILLIE HORTON AND

  • REMEMBER WILLIE HORTON AND REMEMBER DUKAKIS AS GOVERNOR OF

  • REMEMBER DUKAKIS AS GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS WAS A LEADER ON

  • MASSACHUSETTS WAS A LEADER ON WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO HAVE

  • WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO HAVE RE-ENTRY INITIATIVES, TO HAVE

  • RE-ENTRY INITIATIVES, TO HAVE RELATION

  • RELATION REHABILITATION.

  • REHABILITATION. AND THEN THERE WAS THAT ONE GUY

  • AND THEN THERE WAS THAT ONE GUY WHO DID AWFUL THINGS AND DUKAKIS

  • WHO DID AWFUL THINGS AND DUKAKIS TOOK THE BLAME FOR THAT.

  • TOOK THE BLAME FOR THAT. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, DEMOCRATS

  • AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, DEMOCRATS WERE LABELED SOFT ON CRIME.

  • WERE LABELED SOFT ON CRIME. WHEN YOU WERE SOFT ON CRIME, YOU

  • WHEN YOU WERE SOFT ON CRIME, YOU LOST ELECTIONS.

  • LOST ELECTIONS. THAT WAS THE INTERPRETATION.

  • THAT WAS THE INTERPRETATION. SO SWING, LET’S BE TOUGH ON

  • SO SWING, LET’S BE TOUGH ON CRIME AND IT WENT TO AN EXCESS.

  • CRIME AND IT WENT TO AN EXCESS. AND IT ENDED UP LEADING TO THE

  • AND IT ENDED UP LEADING TO THE ISSUE AND THE PROBLEM OF MASS

  • ISSUE AND THE PROBLEM OF MASS INCARCERATION IN AMERICA.

  • INCARCERATION IN AMERICA. THAT’S WHY I’VE ALWAYS SAID,

  • THAT’S WHY I’VE ALWAYS SAID, LET’S REJECT THE FALSE TWIST

  • LET’S REJECT THE FALSE TWIST THAT YOURE SOFT OR TOUGH ON

  • THAT YOURE SOFT OR TOUGH ON CRIME AND LET’S TALK ABOUT BEING

  • CRIME AND LET’S TALK ABOUT BEING SMART ON CRIME.

  • SMART ON CRIME. THE GOAL SHOULD BE PUBLIC SAFETY

  • THE GOAL SHOULD BE PUBLIC SAFETY AND ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO

  • AND ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO ACHIEVE IT IS TO DEAL WITH

  • ACHIEVE IT IS TO DEAL WITH PREVENTION FIRST INSTEAD OF

  • PREVENTION FIRST INSTEAD OF REACTION.

  • REACTION. >> SENATOR, ON HEALTH CARE LAST

  • >> SENATOR, ON HEALTH CARE LAST NIGHT, YOU WERE ASKED TO RAISE

  • NIGHT, YOU WERE ASKED TO RAISE YOUR HANDS IF YOU BELIEVE

  • YOUR HANDS IF YOU BELIEVE ELIMINATING PRIVATE INSURANCE

  • ELIMINATING PRIVATE INSURANCE SHOULD BE PART OF THE MEDICARE

  • SHOULD BE PART OF THE MEDICARE FOR ALL PROPOSAL.

  • FOR ALL PROPOSAL. YOU AND BERNIE SANDERS BOTH

  • YOU AND BERNIE SANDERS BOTH RAISED YOUR HANDS.

  • RAISED YOUR HANDS. YOUVE BEEN ASKED AND CLARIFIED

  • YOUVE BEEN ASKED AND CLARIFIED THIS QUESTION A COUPLE OF TIMES

  • THIS QUESTION A COUPLE OF TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE CAMPAIGN.

  • OVER THE COURSE OF THE CAMPAIGN. SO ONCE AND FOR ALL, DO YOU

  • SO ONCE AND FOR ALL, DO YOU BELIEVE PRIVATE INSURANCE SHOULD

  • BELIEVE PRIVATE INSURANCE SHOULD BE ELIMINATED IN THIS COUNTRY?

  • BE ELIMINATED IN THIS COUNTRY? >> NO.

  • >> NO. >> YOU DON’T?

  • >> YOU DON’T? BUT YOU RAISED YOUR HAND LAST

  • BUT YOU RAISED YOUR HAND LAST NIGHT.

  • NIGHT. >> BUT THE QUESTION WAS WOULD

  • >> BUT THE QUESTION WAS WOULD YOU GIVE UP YOUR PRIVATE

  • YOU GIVE UP YOUR PRIVATE INSURANCE FOR THAT OPTION AND I

  • INSURANCE FOR THAT OPTION AND I SAID YES.

  • SAID YES. >> I THINK YOU HEARD IT

  • >> I THINK YOU HEARD IT DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHERS, THEN.

  • DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHERS, THEN. >> PROBABLY, BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT

  • >> PROBABLY, BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT I HEARD.

  • I HEARD. >> BY THE WAY, WE HAVE A RULE BY

  • >> BY THE WAY, WE HAVE A RULE BY THE WAY IN FUTURE DEBATES.

  • THE WAY IN FUTURE DEBATES. NO MORE HAND RAISING.

  • NO MORE HAND RAISING. SERIOUSLY, IT --

  • SERIOUSLY, IT -- >> EXACTLY.

  • >> EXACTLY. >> BUT I DO WANT TO -- I DO WANT

  • >> BUT I DO WANT TO -- I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THIS.

  • TO ADDRESS THIS. >> BY THE WAY, HOLD ON ONE

  • >> BY THE WAY, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

  • SECOND. >> I AGREE WITH NO MORE HAND

  • >> I AGREE WITH NO MORE HAND RAISING.

  • RAISING. >> THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

  • >> THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. SO LET’S SLOW EVERYTHING DOWN

  • SO LET’S SLOW EVERYTHING DOWN FOR A SECOND BECAUSE DONALD

  • FOR A SECOND BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN TWEETING, WILL BE

  • TRUMP HAS BEEN TWEETING, WILL BE TWEETING ABOUT DEMOCRATS WHO

  • TWEETING ABOUT DEMOCRATS WHO WANT TO TAKE AWAY PEOPLE’S --

  • WANT TO TAKE AWAY PEOPLE’S -- 180 MILLION PEOPLE’S HEALTH

  • 180 MILLION PEOPLE’S HEALTH INSURANCE.

  • INSURANCE. YOURE SAYING THAT YOU DID NOT

  • YOURE SAYING THAT YOU DID NOT MEAN THAT LAST NIGHT, SO EXPLAIN

  • MEAN THAT LAST NIGHT, SO EXPLAIN TO US.

  • TO US. >> NO, NO.

  • >> NO, NO. I AM A PROPONENT OF MEDICARE FOR

  • I AM A PROPONENT OF MEDICARE FOR ALL.

  • ALL. PRIVATE INSURANCE WILL EXIST FOR

  • PRIVATE INSURANCE WILL EXIST FOR SUPPLEMENTAL COVERAGE.

  • SUPPLEMENTAL COVERAGE. BUT UNDER MY VISION OF MEDICARE

  • BUT UNDER MY VISION OF MEDICARE FALL, ONE, WE WILL EXPANDS

  • FALL, ONE, WE WILL EXPANDS COVERAGE TO INCLUDE CAN DENTAL,

  • COVERAGE TO INCLUDE CAN DENTAL, VISION, HEARING AIDS, XH IS A

  • VISION, HEARING AIDS, XH IS A BIG ISSUE FOR OUR SENIORS.

  • BIG ISSUE FOR OUR SENIORS. ALSO THIS, LISTEN, THE INSURANCE

  • ALSO THIS, LISTEN, THE INSURANCE COMPANIES FOR YEARS HAVE BEEN

  • COMPANIES FOR YEARS HAVE BEEN PUTTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO

  • PUTTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO AN ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN AND A

  • AN ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN AND A LOBBYIST CAMPAIGN THAT IS TO TRY

  • LOBBYIST CAMPAIGN THAT IS TO TRY AND CONVINCE AMERICAN FAMILIES

  • AND CONVINCE AMERICAN FAMILIES YOU NEED YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY

  • YOU NEED YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY TO HAVE YOUR DOCTOR.

  • TO HAVE YOUR DOCTOR. WELL, THAT’S A MYTH AND IT’S A

  • WELL, THAT’S A MYTH AND IT’S A FALLACY.

  • FALLACY. 91 PERGS OF THE DOCTORS IN

  • 91 PERGS OF THE DOCTORS IN AMERICA ARE IN MEDICARE.

  • AMERICA ARE IN MEDICARE. SO YOU WILL NOT LOSE YOUR

  • SO YOU WILL NOT LOSE YOUR DOCTOR.

  • DOCTOR. AND THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS

  • AND THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS THIS.

  • THIS. AND IT’S THE EXAMPLE I GAVE LAST

  • AND IT’S THE EXAMPLE I GAVE LAST NIGHT.

  • NIGHT. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IN

  • DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IN AMERICA ARE AFRAID TO WALK INTO

  • AMERICA ARE AFRAID TO WALK INTO AN EMERGENCY ROOM OR A DOCTOR’S

  • AN EMERGENCY ROOM OR A DOCTOR’S OFFICE OR A HOSPITAL BECAUSE

  • OFFICE OR A HOSPITAL BECAUSE THEYRE LOOKING AT A $5,000

  • THEYRE LOOKING AT A $5,000 DEDUCTIBLE?

  • DEDUCTIBLE? IT’S BECAUSE THE INSURANCE

  • IT’S BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES KEEP JACKING UP COSTS

  • COMPANIES KEEP JACKING UP COSTS AROUND PREMIUMS, COPAYS AND

  • AROUND PREMIUMS, COPAYS AND DEDUCTIBLES AND THEN LET’S TALK

  • DEDUCTIBLES AND THEN LET’S TALK ABOUT THE PHARMACEUTICAL

  • ABOUT THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES, WHO I HAVE TAKEN ON.

  • COMPANIES, WHO I HAVE TAKEN ON. AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, I TOOK ON

  • AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, I TOOK ON THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES AND

  • THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES AND I WON.

  • I WON. AND I WILL TELL YOU PART OF WHAT

  • AND I WILL TELL YOU PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO REFORM THIS

  • WE NEED TO DO TO REFORM THIS HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS BRING DOWN

  • HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS BRING DOWN COSTS.

  • COSTS. WHEN WE HAVE EVERYBODY IN ONE

  • WHEN WE HAVE EVERYBODY IN ONE SYSTEM MEDICARE FOR ALL, HE CAN

  • SYSTEM MEDICARE FOR ALL, HE CAN NEGOTIATE AGAINST THE

  • NEGOTIATE AGAINST THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES AS A

  • PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES AS A GROUP AND WE CAN ALSO XHINISH

  • GROUP AND WE CAN ALSO XHINISH THE POWER THAT INSURANCE

  • THE POWER THAT INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE HAD TO MAKE

  • COMPANIES HAVE HAD TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF

  • DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF HEALTH CARE YOU GET INSTEAD OF

  • HEALTH CARE YOU GET INSTEAD OF YOUR DOCTOR MAKING THOSE

  • YOUR DOCTOR MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.

  • DECISIONS. >> TO BOIL IT DOWN, MEDICARE FOR

  • >> TO BOIL IT DOWN, MEDICARE FOR ALL, AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE IF

  • ALL, AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE IF THEY WANT IT, BUT THEY HAVE

  • THEY WANT IT, BUT THEY HAVE PRIVATE INSURANCE, THEY KEEP IT.

  • PRIVATE INSURANCE, THEY KEEP IT. >> FOR SUPPLEMENTAL.

  • >> FOR SUPPLEMENTAL. FOR SUPPLEMENTAL COVERAGE.

  • FOR SUPPLEMENTAL COVERAGE. OTHERWISE, THEYRE IN MEDICARE

  • OTHERWISE, THEYRE IN MEDICARE FOR ALL.

  • FOR ALL. >> SO IN SAN FRANCISCO LAST

  • >> SO IN SAN FRANCISCO LAST NOVEMBER, YOU SAID YOU WERE

  • NOVEMBER, YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO TALK TO YOUR FAMILY ON

  • GOING TO TALK TO YOUR FAMILY ON STAGE AT THE KNOW YOUR VALUE

  • STAGE AT THE KNOW YOUR VALUE EVENT AND TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR

  • EVENT AND TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILL RUN.

  • NOT YOU WILL RUN. I WILL JUST SAY AS WE CLOSE,

  • I WILL JUST SAY AS WE CLOSE, WERE SO GLAD YOURE RUNNING?

  • WERE SO GLAD YOURE RUNNING? SOMETHING IS HAPPENING WITH

  • SOMETHING IS HAPPENING WITH WOMEN THIS POLITICAL CYCLE.

  • WOMEN THIS POLITICAL CYCLE. I’M REALLY GLAD.

  • I’M REALLY GLAD. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.

  • THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. >> I KNOW YOU HAVE TO GO.

  • >> I KNOW YOU HAVE TO GO. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING,

  • THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, WILLIE, THE SHOES.

  • WILLIE, THE SHOES. >> YEAH.

  • >> YEAH. >> IT’S THE SHOES.

  • >> IT’S THE SHOES. SHE’S GOT THE CHUCKS.

  • SHE’S GOT THE CHUCKS. >> ALL RIGHT.

  • >> ALL RIGHT. WEVE GOT ANOTHER HOUR AHEAD AND

  • WEVE GOT ANOTHER HOUR AHEAD AND ANOTHER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.

  • ANOTHER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. SENATOR MICHAEL BENNET IS COMING

  • SENATOR MICHAEL BENNET IS COMING UP.

  • UP. "MORNING JOE" IS BACK IN A

ON "MORNING JOE." >>> IN THIS CAMPAIGN, WE HAVE

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