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  • ON "MORNING JOE." >>> IN THIS CAMPAIGN, WE HAVE

  • >>> IN THIS CAMPAIGN, WE HAVE ALSO HEARD AND I’M GOING TO NOW

  • ALSO HEARD AND I’M GOING TO NOW DIRECT THIS AT VICE PRESIDENT

  • DIRECT THIS AT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.

  • BIDEN. DO I NOT BELIEVE YOURE A RACIST

  • DO I NOT BELIEVE YOURE A RACIST AND I AGREE WITH YOU WHEN YOU

  • AND I AGREE WITH YOU WHEN YOU COMMIT YOURSELF TO FINDING

  • COMMIT YOURSELF TO FINDING COMMON GROUND.

  • COMMON GROUND. BUT I ALSO BELIEVE -- IT’S

  • BUT I ALSO BELIEVE -- IT’S PERSONAL AND I WAS ACTUALLY

  • PERSONAL AND I WAS ACTUALLY VERY -- IT WAS HURTFUL TO HEAR

  • VERY -- IT WAS HURTFUL TO HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT THE REPUTATIONS

  • YOU TALK ABOUT THE REPUTATIONS OF TWO UNITED STATES SENATORS

  • OF TWO UNITED STATES SENATORS WHO BUILT THEIR REPUTATION AND

  • WHO BUILT THEIR REPUTATION AND CAREER ON THE SEGREGATION OF

  • CAREER ON THE SEGREGATION OF RACE IN THIS COUNTRY.

  • RACE IN THIS COUNTRY. AND IT WAS NOT ONLY THAT, BUT

  • AND IT WAS NOT ONLY THAT, BUT YOU ALSO WORKED WITH THEM TO

  • YOU ALSO WORKED WITH THEM TO OPPOSE BUSING.

  • OPPOSE BUSING. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A

  • AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LITTLE GIRL IN CALIFORNIA WHO

  • LITTLE GIRL IN CALIFORNIA WHO WAS PART OF THE SECOND CLASS TO

  • WAS PART OF THE SECOND CLASS TO INTEGRATE HER PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND

  • INTEGRATE HER PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND SHE WAS BUSSED TO SCHOOL EVERY

  • SHE WAS BUSSED TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY.

  • DAY. AND THAT LITTLE GIRL WAS ME.

  • AND THAT LITTLE GIRL WAS ME. >> THE MISCHARACTERIZATION OF MY

  • >> THE MISCHARACTERIZATION OF MY POSITION ACROSS THE BOARD.

  • POSITION ACROSS THE BOARD. DID NOT PRAISE RACISTS.

  • DID NOT PRAISE RACISTS. THAT’S NOT TRUE.

  • THAT’S NOT TRUE. NUMBER TWO, IF WE WANT THIS

  • NUMBER TWO, IF WE WANT THIS CAMPAIGN LITIGATED ON WHO

  • CAMPAIGN LITIGATED ON WHO SUPPORTS CIVIL RIGHTS AND

  • SUPPORTS CIVIL RIGHTS AND WHETHER I DID OR NOT, I’M HAPPY

  • WHETHER I DID OR NOT, I’M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

  • TO DO THAT. I WAS A PUBLIC DEFENDER.

  • I WAS A PUBLIC DEFENDER. I DIDN’T BECOME A PROSECUTOR.

  • I DIDN’T BECOME A PROSECUTOR. I LEFT A GOOD LAW FIRM TO BECOME

  • I LEFT A GOOD LAW FIRM TO BECOME A PUBLIC DEFENDER WHEN IN

  • A PUBLIC DEFENDER WHEN IN FACT -- IN FACT WHEN MY CITY WAS

  • FACT -- IN FACT WHEN MY CITY WAS IN FLAMES BECAUSE OF THE

  • IN FLAMES BECAUSE OF THE ASSASSINATION OF DR. KING.

  • ASSASSINATION OF DR. KING. >> DO YOU AGREE TODAY THAT YOU

  • >> DO YOU AGREE TODAY THAT YOU WERE WRONG TO OPPOSE BUSING IN

  • WERE WRONG TO OPPOSE BUSING IN AMERICA THEN?

  • AMERICA THEN? DO YOU AGREE?

  • DO YOU AGREE? >> I DID NOT OPPOSE BUSING IN

  • >> I DID NOT OPPOSE BUSING IN AMERICA.

  • AMERICA. WHAT I OPPOSED IS BUSING ORDER

  • WHAT I OPPOSED IS BUSING ORDER BY THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION

  • BY THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION THAT’S WHAT I OPPOSED.

  • THAT’S WHAT I OPPOSED. [ APPLAUSE ]

  • [ APPLAUSE ] >> ALL RIGHT.

  • >> ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS PART OF A HEATED

  • THAT WAS PART OF A HEATED EXCHANGE BETWEEN JOE BIDEN AND

  • EXCHANGE BETWEEN JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS DURING LAST

  • KAMALA HARRIS DURING LAST NIGHT’S DEBATE IN WHICH THE

  • NIGHT’S DEBATE IN WHICH THE SENATOR CRITICIZED THE FORMER

  • SENATOR CRITICIZED THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT’S RECORD ON RACE,

  • VICE PRESIDENT’S RECORD ON RACE, FOLLOWING HIS RECENT COMMENTS ON

  • FOLLOWING HIS RECENT COMMENTS ON WORKING WITH SEGREGATIONISTS

  • WORKING WITH SEGREGATIONISTS DURING HIS TIME IN THE SENATE.

  • DURING HIS TIME IN THE SENATE. JOINING US NOW, 2020 DEMOCRATIC

  • JOINING US NOW, 2020 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, SENATOR

  • PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS.

  • KAMALA HARRIS. AND I THINK -- I BELIEVE THIS

  • AND I THINK -- I BELIEVE THIS WOMAN OWNS THE ROOM.

  • WOMAN OWNS THE ROOM. [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]

  • [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ] ALL RIGHT.

  • ALL RIGHT. >> I WILL -- I WILL SAY, JOHN

  • >> I WILL -- I WILL SAY, JOHN HEILEMANN, THAT’S THE LOUDEST

  • HEILEMANN, THAT’S THE LOUDEST APPLAUSE I EVER HEARD FOR YOU.

  • APPLAUSE I EVER HEARD FOR YOU. >> SOMETIMES I’M LUCKY WITH YOU

  • >> SOMETIMES I’M LUCKY WITH YOU AS MY WING WOMAN.

  • AS MY WING WOMAN. >> SENATOR, I WAS TALKING OFF

  • >> SENATOR, I WAS TALKING OFF CAMERA WITH YOU AND I ASKED WHAT

  • CAMERA WITH YOU AND I ASKED WHAT YEAR THAT WAS.

  • YEAR THAT WAS. YOU SAID ’72.

  • YOU SAID ’72. I WAS IN MISSISSIPPI IN ’69,

  • I WAS IN MISSISSIPPI IN ’69, ’70.

  • ’70. THE FIRST YEAR MISSISSIPPI WAS

  • THE FIRST YEAR MISSISSIPPI WAS INTEGRATED AND I SAID -- THIS

  • INTEGRATED AND I SAID -- THIS HAS TO DO WITH GENERATIONAL

  • HAS TO DO WITH GENERATIONAL CHANGE, I SAID WHAT A BLESSING

  • CHANGE, I SAID WHAT A BLESSING IT WAS --

  • IT WAS -- >> THERE’S A PICTURE.

  • >> THERE’S A PICTURE. >> -- TO SEE THAT AS NORMAL.

  • >> -- TO SEE THAT AS NORMAL. >> YEAH.

  • >> YEAH. >> INTEGRATION NORMAL.

  • >> INTEGRATION NORMAL. >> RIGHT.

  • >> RIGHT. >> MY OLDER BROTHER AND SISTER

  • >> MY OLDER BROTHER AND SISTER WENT THROUGH A LOT MORE TURMOIL.

  • WENT THROUGH A LOT MORE TURMOIL. I’M JUST WONDERING IS THAT PART

  • I’M JUST WONDERING IS THAT PART OF JOE BIDEN’S PROBLEM?

  • OF JOE BIDEN’S PROBLEM? PART OF BERNIE SANDERSPROBLEM?

  • PART OF BERNIE SANDERSPROBLEM? IT’S A GENERATIONAL THING WHERE

  • IT’S A GENERATIONAL THING WHERE THAT WAS NORMAL FOR US IN OUR

  • THAT WAS NORMAL FOR US IN OUR OWN SETTINGS.

  • OWN SETTINGS. BUT FOR SOMEBODY OLDER, THEYRE

  • BUT FOR SOMEBODY OLDER, THEYRE STILL LIVING, THEY GREW UP IN A

  • STILL LIVING, THEY GREW UP IN A DIFFERENT AMERICA.

  • DIFFERENT AMERICA. >> YOU KNOW, THE WAY THINK ABOUT

  • >> YOU KNOW, THE WAY THINK ABOUT IT ON ANY ISSUE AND SO ON SO

  • IT ON ANY ISSUE AND SO ON SO MANY ISSUES THAT WILL IS COME UP

  • MANY ISSUES THAT WILL IS COME UP ON THAT DEBATE STAGE, WE HAVE TO

  • ON THAT DEBATE STAGE, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE REAL IMPACT ON

  • UNDERSTAND THE REAL IMPACT ON REAL HUMAN BEINGS IF WERE GOING

  • REAL HUMAN BEINGS IF WERE GOING TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION

  • TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION AND IF THAT IS BASED ON FACT AND

  • AND IF THAT IS BASED ON FACT AND IF IT’S GOING TO BE BASED ON

  • IF IT’S GOING TO BE BASED ON TRUTH.

  • TRUTH. SO THE POINT THAT I WAS RAISING

  • SO THE POINT THAT I WAS RAISING LAST NIGHT IS THAT THE

  • LAST NIGHT IS THAT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT

  • CONVERSATION ABOUT SEGREGATIONISTS AND WHO THEY

  • SEGREGATIONISTS AND WHO THEY WERE AND WHAT THEY DID IN

  • WERE AND WHAT THEY DID IN AMERICA CANNOT JUST BE AN

  • AMERICA CANNOT JUST BE AN INTELLECTUAL CONVERSATION.

  • INTELLECTUAL CONVERSATION. IT HAS TO BE GROUNDED IN THE

  • IT HAS TO BE GROUNDED IN THE EXPERIENCE OF REAL PEOPLE.

  • EXPERIENCE OF REAL PEOPLE. I CANNOT TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF

  • I CANNOT TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE -- NOW STRANGERS WHO HAVE

  • PEOPLE -- NOW STRANGERS WHO HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME SINCE LAST

  • REACHED OUT TO ME SINCE LAST NIGHT TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY

  • NIGHT TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY WERE BUSSED IN THE ’70s.

  • WERE BUSSED IN THE ’70s. AND THAT THE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT

  • AND THAT THE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT THE SEGREGATIONS WERE WERE

  • THE SEGREGATIONS WERE WERE HURTFUL TO THEM AND THEY WERE

  • HURTFUL TO THEM AND THEY WERE APPRECIATING THAT THERE WAS SOME

  • APPRECIATING THAT THERE WAS SOME AIRING OUT OF WHAT THAT

  • AIRING OUT OF WHAT THAT EXPERIENCE WAS.

  • EXPERIENCE WAS. THAT’S HOW I THINK ABOUT IT.

  • THAT’S HOW I THINK ABOUT IT. FRANKLY THAT’S HOW I THINK ABOUT

  • FRANKLY THAT’S HOW I THINK ABOUT EVERY ISSUE.

  • EVERY ISSUE. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE

  • WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION.

  • ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION. ALL OF US TRIES TO COMPEL US

  • ALL OF US TRIES TO COMPEL US WHAT A MOTHER IN THAT SITUATION

  • WHAT A MOTHER IN THAT SITUATION IS THINKING AND DOING THAT

  • IS THINKING AND DOING THAT CAUSES HER TO PUT HER CHILD INTO

  • CAUSES HER TO PUT HER CHILD INTO POTENTIAL PERIL.

  • POTENTIAL PERIL. YOU BECAUSE OF COURSE WHAT THAT

  • YOU BECAUSE OF COURSE WHAT THAT CHILD IS FLEEING IS EVEN WORSE.

  • CHILD IS FLEEING IS EVEN WORSE. WHAT IS OUR IMMIGRATION POLICY

  • WHAT IS OUR IMMIGRATION POLICY ABOUT IF WE TELL THEM TO GO BACK

  • ABOUT IF WE TELL THEM TO GO BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM?

  • WHERE THEY CAME FROM? THAT’S WHAT I HAVE IN MIND WHEN

  • THAT’S WHAT I HAVE IN MIND WHEN I SAY THAT MINE IS A 3:00 IN THE

  • I SAY THAT MINE IS A 3:00 IN THE MORNING AGENDA.

  • MORNING AGENDA. LET’S THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES.

  • LET’S THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES. AND THE WAY THEY REALLY IMPACT

  • AND THE WAY THEY REALLY IMPACT REAL PEOPLE WHEN THEY WAKE UP IN

  • REAL PEOPLE WHEN THEY WAKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, TRYING

  • THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT ALL

  • TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT ALL WORK.

  • WORK. >> SO A LOT TO GET TO, A LOT TO

  • >> SO A LOT TO GET TO, A LOT TO UNWIND IN THAT ANSWER.

  • UNWIND IN THAT ANSWER. BUT I GUESS LET’S JUST GO FROM

  • BUT I GUESS LET’S JUST GO FROM 30,000 FEET AND ASK A QUESTION

  • 30,000 FEET AND ASK A QUESTION AND THIS OF JOE BIDEN WHICH IS

  • AND THIS OF JOE BIDEN WHICH IS YOU SAY YOU KNOW HE’S NOT

  • YOU SAY YOU KNOW HE’S NOT RACIST.

  • RACIST. >> YEAH.

  • >> YEAH. >> DO YOU THINK HE’S RACIALLY

  • >> DO YOU THINK HE’S RACIALLY INSENSITIVE IN A WAY THAT MAKES

  • INSENSITIVE IN A WAY THAT MAKES HIM A POOR FIT TO BE PRESIDENT

  • HIM A POOR FIT TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

  • OF THE UNITED STATES? >> I WOULDN’T SAY THAT.