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  • >>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. HAPPY MONDAY.

  • HAPPY MONDAY. WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

  • WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

  • IM MEGYN KELLY. EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND?

  • EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND? WAS YOUR WEEKEND BUSY?

  • WAS YOUR WEEKEND BUSY? FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON

  • FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON HAD A BUSY ONE.

  • HAD A BUSY ONE.

  • HES PROMOTING A NEW BOOK THAT

  • HES PROMOTING A NEW BOOK THAT

  • HES CO-WRITTEN WITH AUTHOR

  • HES CO-WRITTEN WITH AUTHOR

  • JAMES PATTERSON.

  • JAMES PATTERSON.

  • ITS A THRILLER FEATURING A

  • ITS A THRILLER FEATURING A

  • FICTIONAL PRESIDENT WHO

  • FICTIONAL PRESIDENT WHO

  • OVERCOMES TREMENDOUS OPTIONBSTAC

  • OVERCOMES TREMENDOUS OPTIONBSTAC

  • INCLUDEING AN IMPEACHMENT.

  • INCLUDEING AN IMPEACHMENT.

  • WHILE DISCUSSING THE BOOK, THE

  • WHILE DISCUSSING THE BOOK, THE

  • PRESIDENT HAS BEEN ASKED

  • PRESIDENT HAS BEEN ASKED

  • QUESTIONS ABOUT THE #METOO MOVEMENT. ABOUT THE #METOO

  • MOVEMENT. ITS INTERESTING, HIM ANSWERING

  • ITS INTERESTING, HIM ANSWERING

  • QUESTIONS IN TODAYS CLIMATE, AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT

  • AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS TIME IN OFFICE, INCLUDING

  • HIS TIME IN OFFICE, INCLUDING HIS AFFAIR WITH MONICA LEWINSKY.

  • HIS AFFAIR WITH MONICA LEWINSKY. CRAIG MELVIN SAT DOWN WITH BILL

  • CRAIG MELVIN SAT DOWN WITH BILL CLINTON AND JAMES PATTERSON, IN

  • CLINTON AND JAMES PATTERSON, IN AN EXTRAORDINARY EXCHANGE,

  • AN EXTRAORDINARY EXCHANGE, THATS MAKING A LOT OF NEWS.

  • THATS MAKING A LOT OF NEWS. HERES SOME OF THE CONVERSATION,

  • HERES SOME OF THE CONVERSATION, WATCH.

  • WATCH. >> A FEW DAYS AGO IN RESPONSE TO

  • >> A FEW DAYS AGO IN RESPONSE TO CRITICS WHO SUGGESTED THAT YOU

  • CRITICS WHO SUGGESTED THAT YOU

  • SHOULD HAVE RESIGNED IN THE WAKE OF THE LEWINSKY SCANDAL.THE WAKE

  • OF THE LEWINSKY SCANDAL. AND YOU SAY YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE.

  • AND YOU SAY YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE. IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT NOW, IN

  • IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT NOW, IN

  • 2018, WITH EVERYTHING THATS

  • 2018, WITH EVERYTHING THATS

  • GOING ON WITH THE #METOO

  • GOING ON WITH THE #METOO

  • MOVEMENT, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE

  • MOVEMENT, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE

  • APPROACHED THE ACCUSATIONS

  • APPROACHED THE ACCUSATIONS

  • DIFFERENTLY?

  • DIFFERENTLY?

  • >> I DONT THINK IT WOULD BE AN

  • >> I DONT THINK IT WOULD BE AN

  • ISSUE BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD BE

  • ISSUE BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD BE

  • USING THE FACTS INSTEAD OF THE IMAGINED FACTS. INSTEAD OF THE

  • IMAGINED FACTS. IF THE FACTS WERE THE SAME

  • IF THE FACTS WERE THE SAME TODAY, I WOULDNT.

  • TODAY, I WOULDNT. >> Reporter: IN 1998, PRESIDENT

  • >> Reporter: IN 1998, PRESIDENT CLINTON SHOCKED THE WORLD.

  • CLINTON SHOCKED THE WORLD. FIRST DENYING THEN ADMITTING TO

  • FIRST DENYING THEN ADMITTING TO AN AFFAIR WITH THEN-INTERN

  • AN AFFAIR WITH THEN-INTERN MONICA LEWINSKY.

  • MONICA LEWINSKY. THE SCANDAL LAUNCHED A LENGTHY

  • THE SCANDAL LAUNCHED A LENGTHY INVESTIGATION, WITH CLINTON

  • INVESTIGATION, WITH CLINTON BECOMING THE SECOND PRESIDENT

  • BECOMING THE SECOND PRESIDENT EVER TO BE IMPEACHED.

  • EVER TO BE IMPEACHED. >> WE HAVE A RIGHT TO CHANGE THE

  • >> WE HAVE A RIGHT TO CHANGE THE RULES, YES.

  • RULES, YES.

  • YOU DONT HAVE A RIGHT TO CHANGE

  • YOU DONT HAVE A RIGHT TO CHANGE

  • THE FACTS.

  • THE FACTS.

  • >> Reporter: CLINTON SAYS

  • >> Reporter: CLINTON SAYS

  • CRITICS ARE POUNCING IN LIGHT OF THE #METOO MOVEMENT. IN LIGHT OF

  • THE #METOO MOVEMENT. BUT HE STANDS BY HIS DECISION TO

  • BUT HE STANDS BY HIS DECISION TO FIGHT IMPEACHMENT RATHER THAN

  • FIGHT IMPEACHMENT RATHER THAN RESIGN.

  • RESIGN.

  • >> A LOT OF THE FACTS HAVE BEEN

  • >> A LOT OF THE FACTS HAVE BEEN

  • CONVENIENTLY OMITTED TO MAKE THE

  • CONVENIENTLY OMITTED TO MAKE THE

  • STORY WORK.

  • STORY WORK.

  • I THINK PARTLY BECAUSE THEYRE FRUSTRATED THAT THEY GOT ALLE

  • FRUSTRATED THAT THEY GOT ALL THESE SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS

  • THESE SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE CURRENT OCCUPANT OF

  • AGAINST THE CURRENT OCCUPANT OF THE OVAL OFFICE AND HIS VOTERS

  • THE OVAL OFFICE AND HIS VOTERS DONT SEEM TO CARE.

  • DONT SEEM TO CARE. I DID THE RIGHT THING, DEFENDING

  • I DID THE RIGHT THING, DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION.

  • THE CONSTITUTION. >> Reporter: YOU THINK THIS

  • >> Reporter: YOU THINK THIS PRESIDENT HAS BEEN GIVEN A PASS

  • PRESIDENT HAS BEEN GIVEN A PASS OF THE WOMEN THAT HAVE COME

  • OF THE WOMEN THAT HAVE COME FORWARD AND ACCUSED HIM OF

  • FORWARD AND ACCUSED HIM OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT?

  • SEXUAL MISCONDUCT?

  • >> NO.

  • >> NO.

  • BUT IT HASNT GOTTEN THE COVERAGE YOU WOULD EXPECT.

  • COVERAGE YOU WOULD EXPECT. >> Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS

  • >> Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN ACCUSED BY NUMEROUS WOMEN

  • BEEN ACCUSED BY NUMEROUS WOMEN OF INAPPROPRIATE SEXUAL

  • OF INAPPROPRIATE SEXUAL BEHAVIOR, ALL OF WHICH HE DENYIE

  • BEHAVIOR, ALL OF WHICH HE DENYIE DENIES.

  • DENIES.

  • >> I LIKE THE #METOO MOVEMENT. IT DOESNT MEAN I AGREE WITHNT.

  • IT DOESNT MEAN I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.

  • EVERYTHING.

  • I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS

  • I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS

  • ABOUT SOME OF THE DECISIONS

  • ABOUT SOME OF THE DECISIONS

  • WHICH HAVE BEEN MADE.

  • WHICH HAVE BEEN MADE.

  • >> Reporter: THIS MARCH, MONICA

  • >> Reporter: THIS MARCH, MONICA

  • LEWINSKY PENNED AN OP-ED IN

  • LEWINSKY PENNED AN OP-ED IN

  • "VANITY FAIR," TAKING

  • "VANITY FAIR," TAKING

  • RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER PART IN

  • RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER PART IN

  • THE SCANDAL.

  • THE SCANDAL.

  • BUT ALSO ADMITTING THAT YOURS LATER, SHE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH

  • LATER, SHE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH PTSD FROM THE UNRELENTING PUBLIC

  • PTSD FROM THE UNRELENTING PUBLIC SCRUTINY.

  • SCRUTINY.

  • ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS

  • ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS

  • #METOO ERA HAS DONE. ITS FORCED A LOT OF WOMEN TO

  • ITS FORCED A LOT OF WOMEN TO SPEAK OUT.

  • SPEAK OUT.

  • ONE OF THE WOMEN, MONICA LEWINSKY.E WOMEN, MONICA

  • LEWINSKY.

  • SHE WROTE AN OP-ED, THAT THE #METOO MOVEMENT CHANGED HER VIEW

  • #METOO MOVEMENT CHANGED HER VIEW OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT.

  • OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT. QUOTE, HE WAS MY BOSS, HE WAS

  • QUOTE, HE WAS MY BOSS, HE WAS THE MOST POWERFUL MAN ON THE

  • THE MOST POWERFUL MAN ON THE PLANET, HE WAS 27 YEARS MY

  • PLANET, HE WAS 27 YEARS MY SENIOR, AND ENOUGH LIFE TO KNOW

  • SENIOR, AND ENOUGH LIFE TO KNOW BETTER, HE WAS AT THE PINNACLE

  • BETTER, HE WAS AT THE PINNACLE OF HIS CAREER, WHILE I WAS AT MY

  • OF HIS CAREER, WHILE I WAS AT MY FIRST JOB OUT OF COLLEGE.

  • FIRST JOB OUT OF COLLEGE. THROUGH THE LENS OF #METOO NOW,

  • THROUGH THE LENS OF #METOO NOW, DO YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY OR FEEL

  • DO YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY OR FEEL MORE RESPONSIBILITY?

  • MORE RESPONSIBILITY? >> NO.

  • >> NO. I FELT TERRIBLE THEN.

  • I FELT TERRIBLE THEN. AND I CAME TO GRIPS WITH IT.

  • AND I CAME TO GRIPS WITH IT. >> DID YOU APOLOGIZE TO HER?

  • >> DID YOU APOLOGIZE TO HER? >> YES.

  • >> YES. AND NOBODY BELIEVES THAT I GOT

  • AND NOBODY BELIEVES THAT I GOT OUT OF THAT FOR FREE.

  • OUT OF THAT FOR FREE. I LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE $16

  • I LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE $16 MILLION IN DEBT.

  • MILLION IN DEBT. BUT YOU, TYPICALLY, HAVE IGNORED

  • BUT YOU, TYPICALLY, HAVE IGNORED GAPING FACTS IN THIS.

  • GAPING FACTS IN THIS. AND ILL BET YOU DIDNT KNOW

  • AND ILL BET YOU DIDNT KNOW THEM.

  • THEM.

  • THIS WAS LITIGATED 20 YEARS AGO.

  • THIS WAS LITIGATED 20 YEARS AGO.

  • TWO-THIRDS OF THE AMERICAN

  • TWO-THIRDS OF THE AMERICAN

  • PEOPLE SIDED WITH ME. THEY WERE NOT INCENSESENSITIVE T

  • THEY WERE NOT INCENSESENSITIVE T THAT.

  • THAT.

  • I HAD A SEXUAL HARASSMENT POLICY WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR IN THE 80s.Y

  • WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR IN THE 80s. TWO WOMEN CHIEF OF STAFF WHEN I

  • TWO WOMEN CHIEF OF STAFF WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR.

  • WAS GOVERNOR. WOMEN WERE OVERREPRESENTED IN

  • WOMEN WERE OVERREPRESENTED IN THE ATTORNEYS OFFICE IN THE

  • THE ATTORNEYS OFFICE IN THE 70s.

  • 70s.

  • I HAD NOTHING BUT WOMEN LEADERS

  • I HAD NOTHING BUT WOMEN LEADERS

  • IN MY OFFICE SINCE I LEFT.

  • IN MY OFFICE SINCE I LEFT.

  • YOU ARE GIVING ONE SIDE AND OMITTING FACTS.ONE SIDE AND

  • OMITTING FACTS. >> Reporter: MR. PRESIDENT, IM

  • >> Reporter: MR. PRESIDENT, IM NOT TRYING TO PRESENT A SIDE.

  • NOT TRYING TO PRESENT A SIDE. >> YOU ASKED ME IF I AGREE, AND

  • >> YOU ASKED ME IF I AGREE, AND I SAID, NO, I DONT.

  • I SAID, NO, I DONT. >> Reporter: I ASKED IF YOU

  • >> Reporter: I ASKED IF YOU APOLOGIZED AND YOU SAID YOU HAD.

  • APOLOGIZED AND YOU SAID YOU HAD. >> I HAVE.

  • >> I HAVE.

  • I APOLOGIZED TO EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD.OGIZED TO EVERYBODY IN THE

  • WORLD.

  • >> ITS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT

  • >> ITS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT

  • EVERYBODY WHO HAS BEEN HURT KNOW

  • EVERYBODY WHO HAS BEEN HURT KNOW

  • THAT THE SORROW I FEEL IS

  • THAT THE SORROW I FEEL IS

  • GENUINE.

  • GENUINE.

  • FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT, MY

  • FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT, MY

  • FAMILY, MONICA LEWINSKY AND HER FAMILY. MONICA LEWINSKY AND HER

  • FAMILY.

  • >> Reporter: YOU DIDNT APOLOGIZE TO HER.DIDNT

  • APOLOGIZE TO HER. >> I HAVE NOT TALKED TO HER.

  • >> I HAVE NOT TALKED TO HER. >> Reporter: DO YOU FEEL LIKE

  • >> Reporter: DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU OWE HER AN APOLOGY?

  • YOU OWE HER AN APOLOGY? >> NO.

  • >> NO. I DO NOT -- I HAVE NEVER TALKED

  • I DO NOT -- I HAVE NEVER TALKED TO HER.

  • TO HER.

  • BUT I DID SAY PUBLICLY, ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, THAT I WASRE

  • THAN ONE OCCASION, THAT I WAS SORRY.

  • SORRY.

  • THATS VERY DIFFERENT.

  • THATS VERY DIFFERENT.

  • THE APOLOGY WAS PUBLIC. >> Reporter: AND YOU DONT THINK

  • >> Reporter: AND YOU DONT THINK A PRIVATE APOLOGY IS OWED?

  • A PRIVATE APOLOGY IS OWED? >> I THINK THIS THING, ITS 20

  • >> I THINK THIS THING, ITS 20 YEARS AGO, COME ON.

  • YEARS AGO, COME ON. LETS TALK ABOUT JFK.

  • LETS TALK ABOUT JFK. LBJ.

  • LBJ.

  • STOP ALREADY.

  • STOP ALREADY.

  • >> I DONT THINK -- YOU THINK

  • >> I DONT THINK -- YOU THINK

  • PRESIDENT KENNEDY SHOULD RESIGN?

  • PRESIDENT KENNEDY SHOULD RESIGN?

  • DO YOU BELIEVE PRESIDENT JOHNSON

  • DO YOU BELIEVE PRESIDENT JOHNSON

  • SHOULD RESIGN? SOMEONE SHOULD ASK YOU THESE

  • SOMEONE SHOULD ASK YOU THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU

  • QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU FORMULATE THE QUESTIONS.

  • FORMULATE THE QUESTIONS. I DEALT WITH IT 20 YEARS AGO,

  • I DEALT WITH IT 20 YEARS AGO, PLUS, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,

  • PLUS, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, TWO-THIRDS OF THEM, STAYED WITH

  • TWO-THIRDS OF THEM, STAYED WITH ME.

  • ME.

  • AND IVE TRIED TO DO A GOOD JOB SINCE THEN, WITH MY LIFE ANDOB

  • SINCE THEN, WITH MY LIFE AND WITH MY WORK.

  • WITH MY WORK. THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU.

  • THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU. >> WOW.

  • >> WOW. WOW.

  • WOW. JOINING US NOW TO TALK ABOUT THE

  • JOINING US NOW TO TALK ABOUT THE INTERVIEW IS AMY HOLMES, CO-HOST

  • INTERVIEW IS AMY HOLMES, CO-HOST OF PBSS "IN PRINCIPLE" AND

  • OF PBSS "IN PRINCIPLE" AND ZERLINA MAXWELL.

  • ZERLINA MAXWELL. GREAT TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE.

  • GREAT TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE. WHAT A DAY.

  • WHAT A DAY. HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE LAST

  • HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE LAST HALF OF THAT LAST ANSWER AND LET

  • HALF OF THAT LAST ANSWER AND LET THAT BE HIS WHOLE ANSWER.

  • THAT BE HIS WHOLE ANSWER. IVE TRIED TO DO GOOD IN MY LIFE

  • IVE TRIED TO DO GOOD IN MY LIFE SINCE THEN AND I WANT TO LEAVE

  • SINCE THEN AND I WANT TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.

  • IT AT THAT. EVERYTHING BEFORE THAT, IN MY

  • EVERYTHING BEFORE THAT, IN MY VIEW, WAS A MISTAKE AND HES

  • VIEW, WAS A MISTAKE AND HES ABOUT TO GET HAMMERED FOR IT.

  • ABOUT TO GET HAMMERED FOR IT. >> I THINK SO.

  • >> I THINK SO. DOESNT CRAIG MELVIN KNOW ITS

  • DOESNT CRAIG MELVIN KNOW ITS NOT NICE TO PICK ON OLD PEOPLE?

  • NOT NICE TO PICK ON OLD PEOPLE? I MEAN --

  • I MEAN --

  • >> THE VICTIMHOOD.

  • >> THE VICTIMHOOD.

  • NO ONE THINKS I GOT OUT OF THAT

  • NO ONE THINKS I GOT OUT OF THAT

  • FOR FREE.

  • FOR FREE.

  • I WAS $16 MILLION IN DEBT.

  • I WAS $16 MILLION IN DEBT.

  • BECAUSE YOU HAD TO DEFEND YOUR OWN BAD BEHAVIOR, YOUR OWN LYING

  • OWN BAD BEHAVIOR, YOUR OWN LYING UNDER OATH.

  • UNDER OATH.

  • THATS WHEYY HE WAS IMPEACHED. HE LIED UNDER OATH ABOUT THE.

  • HE LIED UNDER OATH ABOUT THE AFFAIR.

  • AFFAIR.

  • THAT WAS NOT RELATE TO JFK OR

  • THAT WAS NOT RELATE TO JFK OR

  • LBJ.

  • LBJ.

  • YES, THEY CHEATED ON THEIR WIVES, ACCORDING TO WHAT WE

  • WIVES, ACCORDING TO WHAT WE READ.

  • READ.

  • BUT BILL CLINTON GOT IMPEACHED FOR LYING UNDER OATH, WHICH IS A

  • FOR LYING UNDER OATH, WHICH IS A FELONY.

  • FELONY.

  • >> AND I WOULD POINT OUT IN THE 90s, WE KNEW THAT CRUISING THEE

  • 90s, WE KNEW THAT CRUISING THE INTERN POOL WAS WRONG.

  • INTERN POOL WAS WRONG. AND HE SIGNED INTO LAW, IN 1996,

  • AND HE SIGNED INTO LAW, IN 1996, A SEXUAL HARASSMENT POLICY,

  • A SEXUAL HARASSMENT POLICY, MAKING THIS ILLEGAL.

  • MAKING THIS ILLEGAL. THAT YOU COULDNT USE THIS POWER

  • THAT YOU COULDNT USE THIS POWER DYNAMIC.

  • DYNAMIC.

  • HE KNEW ABOUT SEXUAL HARASSMENT LAW, JUST CHOSE TO IGNORE IT.NT

  • LAW, JUST CHOSE TO IGNORE IT. >> I WORKED FOR HILLARY CLINTON

  • >> I WORKED FOR HILLARY CLINTON AND A FORMER STAFFER, I WISH I

  • AND A FORMER STAFFER, I WISH I HAD PREPPED HIM FOR THIS

  • HAD PREPPED HIM FOR THIS PARTICULAR INTERVIEW.

  • PARTICULAR INTERVIEW. I KNOW HIS STAFF -- IM CLOSE

  • I KNOW HIS STAFF -- IM CLOSE WITH MEMBERS OF HIS STAFF.

  • WITH MEMBERS OF HIS STAFF. THEY HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS.

  • THEY HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS. BUT I THIS I HIS DEFENSIVENESS

  • BUT I THIS I HIS DEFENSIVENESS IN THIS PARTICULAR INTERVIEW

  • IN THIS PARTICULAR INTERVIEW CAME THROUGH IN A MOMENT WHEN

  • CAME THROUGH IN A MOMENT WHEN ITS REALLY NOT HELPFUL, RIGHT?

  • ITS REALLY NOT HELPFUL, RIGHT? I THINK HES CORRECT, THAT TIMES

  • I THINK HES CORRECT, THAT TIMES HAVE CHANGED.

  • HAVE CHANGED. WE UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE IN A

  • WE UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY THAN WE

  • COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY THAN WE DID IN THE 1990s AND CERTAINLY

  • DID IN THE 1990s AND CERTAINLY THIS IS A RELEVANT ISSUE BECAUSE

  • THIS IS A RELEVANT ISSUE BECAUSE OF WHO IS THE CURRENT OCCUPANT

  • OF WHO IS THE CURRENT OCCUPANT OF THE WHITE HOUSE VERSUS BILL

  • OF THE WHITE HOUSE VERSUS BILL CLINTON BEING THE OCCUPANT IN

  • CLINTON BEING THE OCCUPANT IN THE 90s WHEN I WAS IN JUNIOR

  • THE 90s WHEN I WAS IN JUNIOR HIGH.

  • HIGH.

  • BUT I THINK HE APPROACHED THIS INTERVIEW IN A DEFENSIVED THIS

  • INTERVIEW IN A DEFENSIVE POSTURE, WHEREAS --

  • POSTURE, WHEREAS -- >> HE KNEW IT WAS WRONG WHEN HE

  • >> HE KNEW IT WAS WRONG WHEN HE DID IT IN THE 90s.

  • DID IT IN THE 90s. >> YOU ARE RIGHT TO SAY, THE

  • >> YOU ARE RIGHT TO SAY, THE LAST PIECE OF HIS ANSWER WHEN HE

  • LAST PIECE OF HIS ANSWER WHEN HE SHOWED CONTRITION, WAS THE BEST

  • SHOWED CONTRITION, WAS THE BEST PART OF THAT INTERVIEW.

  • PART OF THAT INTERVIEW. >> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT

  • >> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT WANT TO LOATHE BILL CLINTON.

  • WANT TO LOATHE BILL CLINTON. BUT HE SPENT THE FIRST HALF OF

  • BUT HE SPENT THE FIRST HALF OF THAT INTERVIEW, TRYING TO MAKE

  • THAT INTERVIEW, TRYING TO MAKE THEM.

  • THEM.

  • POOR ME.

  • POOR ME.

  • I WAS IN DEBT.

  • I WAS IN DEBT.

  • I DONT OWE HER AN APOLOGY.

  • I DONT OWE HER AN APOLOGY.

  • WHAT ABOUT TRUMP?

  • WHAT ABOUT TRUMP?

  • TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

  • TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

  • LETS NOT FORGET, IT WASNT JUST MONICA LEWINSKY. IT WASNT JUST

  • MONICA LEWINSKY.

  • HE WAS ACCUSED OF RAPE BY JUANITA BROADERICK, WHO HAD TWO

  • JUANITA BROADERICK, WHO HAD TWO WITNESSES WHO CLAIMED TO SEE HER

  • WITNESSES WHO CLAIMED TO SEE HER MOMENTS AFTER IT HAPPENED AND

  • MOMENTS AFTER IT HAPPENED AND TESTIFIED TO HER.

  • TESTIFIED TO HER. KATHLEEN WILLEY, HARASSED IN HIS

  • KATHLEEN WILLEY, HARASSED IN HIS OFFICE.

  • OFFICE.

  • AND PAULA JONES, TO WHOM HE PAID $850,000, THAT ALLEGED HEHE PAID

  • $850,000, THAT ALLEGED HE

  • EXPOSED HYMN IN AN INTERVIEW. >> HE WASNT STRAIGHTFORWARD IN

  • >> HE WASNT STRAIGHTFORWARD IN HIS CONTRITION.

  • HIS CONTRITION. HE SAID HE APOLOGIZED TO HER.

  • HE SAID HE APOLOGIZED TO HER. WELL, I HAVENT SPOKEN TO HER.

  • WELL, I HAVENT SPOKEN TO HER. HE DIDNT APOLOGIZE TO HER

  • HE DIDNT APOLOGIZE TO HER PERSONALLY.

  • PERSONALLY. SO, IF SOMEONE, LIKE, HAS A BAD

  • SO, IF SOMEONE, LIKE, HAS A BAD RELATIONSHIP WITH ME AND TREATS

  • RELATIONSHIP WITH ME AND TREATS ME BADLY, THEY DONT GET TO POST

  • ME BADLY, THEY DONT GET TO POST A GENERAL APOLOGY ON FACEBOOK.

  • A GENERAL APOLOGY ON FACEBOOK. >> TO EVERYONE IN THE WORLD.

  • >> TO EVERYONE IN THE WORLD. >> THAT DOESNT CUT IT.

  • >> THAT DOESNT CUT IT. AND I THINK PRESIDENT CLINTON

  • AND I THINK PRESIDENT CLINTON KNEW THAT.

  • KNEW THAT.

  • AND THATS, AGAIN, WHY HE WAS

  • AND THATS, AGAIN, WHY HE WAS

  • DEFLECTING, SLIDING ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND FINALLY CRAIG MELVINE

  • PLACE, AND FINALLY CRAIG MELVIN PRESSING HIM.

  • PRESSING HIM.

  • >> HE IS TRYING TO MAKE CRAIG

  • >> HE IS TRYING TO MAKE CRAIG

  • MELVIN LOOK LIKE THE BAD GUY.

  • MELVIN LOOK LIKE THE BAD GUY.

  • HE IS A FAIR, HONEST, GREAT REPORTER.AIR, HONEST, GREAT

  • REPORTER.

  • OVER AND OVER, YOU DONT HAVE A LOT OFND OVER, YOU DONT HAVE A

  • LOT OF RIGHT TO CHANGE THE FACTS.

  • RIGHT TO CHANGE THE FACTS. YOU ARE OMITTING FACTS.

  • YOU ARE OMITTING FACTS. WHAT FACTS?

  • WHAT FACTS? >> IM GOING TO SPECULATE ON

  • >> IM GOING TO SPECULATE ON WHAT HE MAY HAVE MEANT IN THAT

  • WHAT HE MAY HAVE MEANT IN THAT CONTEXT.

  • CONTEXT.

  • WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT WAS A CONSENSUAL RELATIONSHIP

  • WAS A CONSENSUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNHEALTHY AND

  • WITH THE UNHEALTHY AND PROBLEMATIC POWER DYNAMIC, WHICH

  • PROBLEMATIC POWER DYNAMIC, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT THING THAN SEXUAL

  • IS A DIFFERENT THING THAN SEXUAL ASSAULT.

  • ASSAULT.

  • >> HE WAS ASKING HIM ABOUT -- HE

  • >> HE WAS ASKING HIM ABOUT -- HE

  • STARTED WITH THE LEWINSKY QUOTE, WHICH WE ALL KNOW THAT WAS A CON

  • WHICH WE ALL KNOW THAT WAS A CON CONSENSUAL AFFAIR.

  • CONSENSUAL AFFAIR. BUT EVEN SHE IS STARTING TO

  • BUT EVEN SHE IS STARTING TO RETHINK HOW CONSENSUAL IT WAS,

  • RETHINK HOW CONSENSUAL IT WAS, GIVEN THE FACT HE WAS 27 YEARS

  • GIVEN THE FACT HE WAS 27 YEARS OLD, HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE

  • OLD, HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND SHE WAS FRESH

  • UNITED STATES AND SHE WAS FRESH OUT OF COLLEGE AS AN INTERN.

  • OUT OF COLLEGE AS AN INTERN.

  • IT COULDNT HAVE BEEN MORE

  • IT COULDNT HAVE BEEN MORE

  • SEVERE, THE POWER.

  • SEVERE, THE POWER.

  • >> AT THE TIME, FEMINISTS POINTED OUT THAT DYNAMIC.

  • POINTED OUT THAT DYNAMIC. >> NOT GLORYIA STEINEM.

  • >> NOT GLORYIA STEINEM. SHE BACKED BILL CLINTON ALL

  • SHE BACKED BILL CLINTON ALL ALONG.

  • ALONG.

  • >> THE FEMINISTS CRITICIZED THE PRESIDENT AT THE TILEME.ZED THE

  • PRESIDENT AT THE TILEME. THE CURRENT OCCUPANT OF THE

  • THE CURRENT OCCUPANT OF THE WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN THE

  • WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN THE CATALYST FOR US RE-EXAMINING HOW

  • CATALYST FOR US RE-EXAMINING HOW WE THINK ABOUT THESE ISSUES.

  • WE THINK ABOUT THESE ISSUES. >> SOME OF US.

  • >> SOME OF US. SOME OF US KNEW IT WAS WRONG IN

  • SOME OF US KNEW IT WAS WRONG IN THE 90s.

  • THE 90s. >> AS A CULTURE, WE WERE

  • >> AS A CULTURE, WE WERE ACCOMMODATEING TO ABUSERS AND NO

  • ACCOMMODATEING TO ABUSERS AND NO WE DONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES.

  • WE DONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES. >> WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIM THAT

  • >> WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIM THAT TRUMP HASNT GOTTEN THE COVERAGE

  • TRUMP HASNT GOTTEN THE COVERAGE YOU WOULD EXPECT.

  • YOU WOULD EXPECT. MY REACTION IS, YES, HE HAS.

  • MY REACTION IS, YES, HE HAS. >> I SEEM TO RECALL A CERTAIN

  • >> I SEEM TO RECALL A CERTAIN ANCHOR HOST ASKING HIM POINTED

  • ANCHOR HOST ASKING HIM POINTED QUESTIONS.

  • QUESTIONS.

  • >> YEAH, THAT, TOO. >> MY FEELING IS --

  • >> MY FEELING IS -- HE GOT A TON OF COVERAGE, RIGHT?

  • HE GOT A TON OF COVERAGE, RIGHT? TRUMPS SUPPORTERS DIDNT CARE.

  • TRUMPS SUPPORTERS DIDNT CARE. ITS NOT THAT THE MEDIA DOESNT

  • ITS NOT THAT THE MEDIA DOESNT COVER TRUMPS -- THERES SO

  • COVER TRUMPS -- THERES SO MANY, RIGHT?

  • MANY, RIGHT? MAYBE YOU CANT DO FULL -- YOU

  • MAYBE YOU CANT DO FULL -- YOU CANT GO FULL-TIME ON TRUMPS

  • CANT GO FULL-TIME ON TRUMPS SEXUAL HARASSMENT SCANDALS

  • SEXUAL HARASSMENT SCANDALS BECAUSE THERES SO MUCH TO

  • BECAUSE THERES SO MUCH TO DISCUSS, HES GOTTEN COVERAGE,

  • DISCUSS, HES GOTTEN COVERAGE, AND THE SUPPORTERS DIDNT CARE.

  • AND THE SUPPORTERS DIDNT CARE. >> THE MEDIA PACKAGED IT

  • >> THE MEDIA PACKAGED IT TOGETHER AS THESE ARE THE WOMEN

  • TOGETHER AS THESE ARE THE WOMEN ACCUSING THE PRESIDENT AND HES

  • ACCUSING THE PRESIDENT AND HES DENIED IT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE

  • DENIED IT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE SCANDAL THAT WE WANT TO TALK

  • SCANDAL THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

  • ABOUT.

  • IN TERMS OF TRYING TO LOOK LIKE WERE BALANCED IN THE COVERAGE,E

  • WERE BALANCED IN THE COVERAGE, WE COVERED THOSE TWO STORIES

  • WE COVERED THOSE TWO STORIES EQUALLY, WHEN 19 WOMEN ACCUSING

  • EQUALLY, WHEN 19 WOMEN ACCUSING SOMEONE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF

  • SOMEONE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND ASSAULT

  • SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND ASSAULT TRUMPS E-MAILS EVERY TIME.

  • TRUMPS E-MAILS EVERY TIME. >> I SAID THIS BACK DURING THE

  • >> I SAID THIS BACK DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE, BACK IN 2016,

  • PRESIDENTIAL RACE, BACK IN 2016, WE WERE FACED, AS WOMEN, AS

  • WE WERE FACED, AS WOMEN, AS VOTERS, ALL OF US, WE WERE FACED

  • VOTERS, ALL OF US, WE WERE FACED WITH THE CHOICE BETWEEN ONE MAN,

  • WITH THE CHOICE BETWEEN ONE MAN, WHO BRAGGED ABOUT GRABBING WOMEN

  • WHO BRAGGED ABOUT GRABBING WOMEN BY THE YOU KNOW WHAT, AND OVER A

  • BY THE YOU KNOW WHAT, AND OVER A DOZEN WOMEN OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT

  • DOZEN WOMEN OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT OF ASSAULT.

  • OF ASSAULT. AND ONE WOMAN WHO WAS MARRIED TO

  • AND ONE WOMAN WHO WAS MARRIED TO A MAN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ASSAULT

  • A MAN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND RAPE.

  • AND RAPE.

  • >> I NEVER WANT TO LIVE IN A

  • >> I NEVER WANT TO LIVE IN A

  • WORLD --

  • WORLD --

  • >> I DONT WANT TO PUT AN

  • >> I DONT WANT TO PUT AN

  • ALLEGED RAPIST IN THE WHITE

  • ALLEGED RAPIST IN THE WHITE

  • HOUSE.

  • HOUSE.

  • >> I NEVER WANT THE WOMAN IN

  • >> I NEVER WANT THE WOMAN IN

  • THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION TO BE BLAMED FOR SOMETHING SOMEONE BE

  • BLAMED FOR SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE DID.

  • ELSE DID. >> SHE WAS BLAMED INDIVIDUALLY.

  • >> SHE WAS BLAMED INDIVIDUALLY. JUANITA BROADERICK MADE CLEAR

  • JUANITA BROADERICK MADE CLEAR THAT HILLARY CLINTON CAME UP TO

  • THAT HILLARY CLINTON CAME UP TO HER AND SAID TO HER, THANK YOU

  • HER AND SAID TO HER, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUVE DONE FOR MY

  • FOR ALL YOUVE DONE FOR MY

  • HUSBAND.

  • HUSBAND.

  • SHE ORIGINALLY TESTIFIED THAT IT DIDNT HAPPEN.Y TESTIFIED THAT IT

  • DIDNT HAPPEN.

  • AND SHE SAID, THANK YOU FOR ALL

  • AND SHE SAID, THANK YOU FOR ALL

  • YOUVE DONE FOR MY HUSBAND.

  • YOUVE DONE FOR MY HUSBAND.

  • AND HELD HER HAND LONGER AND SAID, FOR ALL YOUVE DONE.AND

  • SAID, FOR ALL YOUVE DONE. >> ALLEGEDLY.

  • >> ALLEGEDLY. >> IN TERM OFFICIALS THE

  • >> IN TERM OFFICIALS THE COVERAGE, IT WAS PROBLEMATIC

  • COVERAGE, IT WAS PROBLEMATIC WHEN YOU HAD A DEMOCRATIC SIDE

  • WHEN YOU HAD A DEMOCRATIC SIDE OF THE TICKET, THAT SHOULDNT BE

  • OF THE TICKET, THAT SHOULDNT BE BLAMED FOR HER HUSBANDS BAD

  • BLAMED FOR HER HUSBANDS BAD BEHAVIOR.

  • BEHAVIOR.

  • BUT DURING THE TIME, NOT ONLY

  • BUT DURING THE TIME, NOT ONLY

  • ENABLED IT. SHE WAS ON THE TEAM TO SMEAR AND

  • SHE WAS ON THE TEAM TO SMEAR AND DEFAME THE WOMEN THAT BILL

  • DEFAME THE WOMEN THAT BILL CLINTON HAD SEXUALLY HARASSED.

  • CLINTON HAD SEXUALLY HARASSED. IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY WERE

  • IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY WERE TRYING TO PUT OUT THE STORY THAT

  • TRYING TO PUT OUT THE STORY THAT MONICA LEWINSKY WAS A DELUSIONAL

  • MONICA LEWINSKY WAS A DELUSIONAL STALKER AND HAD MADE IT ALL UP.

  • STALKER AND HAD MADE IT ALL UP. AND HILLARY CLINTON WAS A PART

  • AND HILLARY CLINTON WAS A PART OF THAT STRATEGY.

>>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. HAPPY MONDAY.

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