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  • CLINICAL REPORT A MARCIA KRAMER

  • DEMANDED ANSWERS.

  • Reporter: IT MAY TURN OUT TO

  • BE THE BURNING QUESTION OF THE

  • GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN. JUST WHAT

  • IS THE DEFINITION OF A WALL ON

  • THE MEXICAN BORDER?

  • IN 2006 NEW YORK SENATOR CHUCK

  • SCHUMER I NOW ONE OF THE

  • LEADERS OF THE ANTI-WALL FORCES,

  • VOTED TO BUILD 700 MILES OF

  • OFFENSE. THREE YEARS LATER HE

  • SAID PROGRESS AND ENDING

  • ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WAS DEFINED

  • BY --

  • CONSTRUCTION OF A 630 MILE

  • BORDER FENCE THAT CREATE A

  • SIGNIFICANT BARRIER TO ILLEGAL

  • IMMIGRATION ON OUR SOUTHERN

  • LAND BORDER.

  • Reporter: HE SLAMMED PEOPLE

  • WHO CALLED ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

  • UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS.

  • ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS WRONG

  • . PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

  • UNTIL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE

  • CONVINCED THAT WE WILL STOP

  • FUTURE FLOWS OF ILLEGAL

  • IMMIGRATION WE WILL MAKE NO

  • PROGRESS. ON DEALING WITH THE

  • MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

  • WHO ARE HERE NOW.

  • Reporter: WHY NOT A WALL,

  • SENATOR SCHUMER?

  • I DEMANDED ANSWERS.

  • IN 2006 YOU SUPPORTED THE

  • SECURE FENCE ACT. IN 2009 YOU

  • SAID YOU WOULD SPEND COMING YOU

  • WOULD PAY FOR 630 MILES OF

  • BORDER FENCE.

  • IN 2013 SECURE BORDER SECURITY,

  • ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

  • ALL OF THESE THINGS SUPPORTING

  • A WALL.

  • NONE OF THEM HAVE WALL IN

  • IT.

  • 0. THAT'S WHY NO ONE WAS EVER

  • BUILT.

  • THERE IS NOT A NICKEL OF WALL UP

  • BECAUSE --

  • WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE

  • BETWEEN A WALL AND DEFENSE?

  • A LOT.

  • A FENCE WORKS.

  • YOU ASK THE EXPERTS.

  • A BIG CONCRETE WALL IS

  • EXPENSIVE AND DOESN'T WORK.

  • WHEREAS, DRONES, YOU DON'T JUST

  • NEED FENCING, YOU NEED DRONES,

  • HELICOPTERS AND YOU NEED ROADS.

  • THE AGENTS CAN'T GET PEOPLE

  • CROSSING THE BORDER BECAUSE

  • THEY CAN'T GET THERE.

  • Reporter: IN ADDITION TO

  • FENCING SCHUMER ALSO ARGUED THE

  • PRESIDENT DOESN'T NEED FIVE

  • ALIEN DOLLARS FOR A WALL

  • BECAUSE HE HAS YET TO SPEND THE

  • $1.7 BILLION FOR BORDER

  • SECURITY THEY ALREADY GAVE HIM.

  • THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN $341

  • MILLION ACCORDING TO CUSTOMS

  • AND BORDER PATROL FIGURES.

  • I WONDERED IF SCHUMER'S

  • OPPOSITION WAS JUST A TAD

  • POLITICAL?

  • IF BARACK OBAMA HAD ASKED FOR

  • FIVE IF BARACK OBAMA HAD ASKED

  • FOR $5 MILLION FOR A WALL WOULD

  • YOU HAVE GIVEN IT TO HIM?

  • FIRST, HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE

  • SUCH A DUMB PROPOSAL THAT

  • NOBODY SUPPORTS.

  • Reporter: SAME QUESTION TO

  • CONGRESSMAN PETER KING, A

  • REPUBLICAN AGAINST THE

  • GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN .

  • IF BARACK OBAMA HAD ASKED

  • DEMOCRATS FOR FIVE DEMOCRATS

  • FOR $5 BILLION TO BUILD THE WALL

  • WITH A HAVE GIVEN IT TO HIM?

  • THEY WOULD BE DOWN THERE WITH

  • THE BRICKS AND CEMENT PUTTING

  • IT RIGHT UP.

  • Reporter: I ASKED SCHUMER

  • ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S

  • INSISTENCE THAT HE CHANGE HIS

  • POSITION ON BORDER SECURITY.

  • WHAT YOU SAY TO HIM WHEN HE

  • SAID YOU FLIP-FLOPPED?

  • I HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT FROM

  • 2006 NO WHEN HE WOULD TALKED

  • ABOUT A WALL IN 2006, 2009, 13.

  • Reporter: IN 2009 HE ALSO

  • SAID --

  • WE MUST DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN

  • TO GAIN CONTROL OF OUR BORDERS

  • AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

  • Reporter: IN 2019 THAT MEANS

  • NO WALL.

  • CONGRESSMAN HSING SAYS SHE

CLINICAL REPORT A MARCIA KRAMER

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