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  • GOOD EVENING. I'M CHRIS MATTHEWS IN

  • WASHINGTON. DONALD TRUMP'S TRUMP ISN'T THE

  • PEOPLE HE'S HIRED. IT'S THE ENEMY IN HIS OWN BRAIN

  • HE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIRE. HOW HE WANTS TO STOP THE WARRING

  • IN THE WHITE HOUSE BETWEEN NATIONALIST AND TRUMP IN BED,

  • JARED KUSHNER IGNORES THE FACT THAT THIS IS GOING ON IN TRUMP'S

  • OWN HEAD. AND PEOPLE STARTING WITH HIS

  • FAMILY HAS TO DEAL WITH NOW THAT HE'S PRESIDENT.

  • THE FIGHT IS REAL AND ISN'T GOING TO END HOW MANY BURY THE

  • HATCHET MEETINGS THEY HOLD. THE FACT IS AS WE'VE SEEN FROM

  • THE OUTSIDE, THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT PARTIES ALL JOCKING

  • FOR PARTY INSIDE TRUMP'S WHITE HOUSE.

  • THE NATIONALISTS REPRESENTED BY STEVEN BANNON.

  • THE FAMILY PARTY REPRESENTED BY JARED KUSHNER AND OTHERS CLOSE

  • TO HIM, THEY ARE MOSTLY NEW YORK BUSINESS PEOPLE AND NOT VERY

  • IDEOLOGICAL. PEOPLE LIKE CHIEF OF STAFF

  • REINCE PRIEBUS. NOW AN OPEN DISPUTE AND IT'S ALL

  • PLAYING OUT VERY PUBLICLY THANKS TO AN ABUNDANCE OF LEAKS FROM

  • INSIDE THEDE THE WEST WING, LEAT NEVER STOPPED.

  • SEAN SPICER ADDRESSED THOSE REPORTS.

  • >> THE REASON THE PRESIDENT HAS BROUGHT THIS TEAM TOGETHER IS

  • OFFER DIVERSE SET OF OPINIONS. HE DOESN'T WANT A MONO LIT CAL

  • KIND OF THOUGHT PROCESS GOING THROUGH THE WHITE HOUSE.

  • THAT -- HE IS THE DECIDER. I THINK THE PRESIDENT WANTS TO

  • HAVE A SERIES OF IDEAS AND THOUGHTS PUT FORWARD TO HIM.

  • THAT'S HOW HE'S GOING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE FOR

  • THIS COUNTRY. >> HE SAID THE "IS CONFIDENT IN

  • THE TEAM HE HAS. >> WE UNDERSTAND WHO HAVE SOME

  • SMART INDIVIDUALS BUT THERE ARE BATTLES IN OUR POLICY

  • DIFFERENCES NEED TO BE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

  • WE NEED TO FOCUS AND ULTIMATELY ALL COME UP TO COMMIT TO THE

  • PRESIDENT'S AGENDA. >> KEEPING IT BEHIND CLOSED

  • DOORS, HERE IS WHAT'S COMING UP IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, SOURCES

  • CLOSE TO BANNON SAID HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE, HIS MESSAGE,

  • DEMOCRATS WILL NEVER RUN THE WHITE HOUSE, THAT'S A REFERENCE

  • TO JARED IMES LYDTH MR.N H BE

  • WER C HN. PO Q ASE

  • OF TNGUT BANN'S OPEN REVOLT AGAINST TRUMP'S

  • SON-IN-LAW JARED KUSHNER. FOR A SEVENGALI, THAT DOESN'T

  • SEEM LIKE A SMART THING TO DO. THE PRESIDENT IS CONSIDERING A

  • MAJOR SHAKEUP IN THE WEST WING. TWO PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE WHITE

  • HOUSE SAID MR. TRUMP HAS BEEN TALKING TO CONFIDANTS ABOUT MR.

  • PRIEBUS'S PERFORMANCE AND HAS ASKED FOR NAMES FOR POSSIBLE

  • REPLACEMENTS. JOINING ME RIGHT NOW IS KRISTIN

  • WALKER, THE "NEW YORK TIMES," AND USA TODAY SUSAN PAGE.

  • SOMEONE SAID NO ONE IS EVER LATE IN THIS TOWN FOR A HANGING.

  • WE DO ENJOY IT. JARED KUSHNER WILL ALWAYS BE THE

  • SON-IN-LAW, I GUESS. HE'S IN BED WITH THE TRUMP

  • FAMILY. HE KNOW WHAT IS THEY'RE

  • THINKING, HE'S ONE OF THEM. WHY WOULD TRUMP BREAK THE

  • NEPOTISM RULE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSE TO BRING FAMILY PEOPLE IN, BRING

  • THEM IN AND SET THEM DOWN IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION WITH HIS

  • NATIONALIST, THAT'S JUST ASKING FOR TROUBLE AND TO ME IT

  • REFLECTS THE TROUBLE INSIDE TRUMP'S BRAIN.

  • HE CAN'T DECIDE WHETHER HE'S A NATIONALIST, IDLE LOG OR HE

  • WANTS TO GET RE-ELECTED. >> I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON

  • THE HEAD, THEY REFLECT THE TWO SIDES OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S OWN

  • THINKING. STEVE BANNON IS A REAL TOUCH

  • STONE TO THE BASE, THE POPULACE MESSAGE THAT HELPED TO GET

  • PRESIDENT TRUMP ELECTED. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE HIM DIGGING

  • IN RIGHT NOW. HE KNOWS THAT HIS SON-IN-LAW,

  • THE PRESIDENT'S SON-IN-LAW CAN'T GET FIRED.

  • AT THE SAME TIME HE SEES HIS JOB AS SAFE BECAUSE HE THINKS HE'S

  • THE PERSON WHO HOLDS UP A MIRROR AND REMINDS HIM OF ALL OF THOSE

  • CAMPAIGN PROMISES. ON THE OTHER HAND I THINK THAT

  • PRESIDENT TRUMP UNDERSTANDS THE NECESSITY OF HAVING SOMEONE LIKE

  • JARED KUSHNER TO TEMPER WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL IS A MUCH

  • MORE CONSERVATIVE POPULACE MESSAGE, NATIONALIST MESSAGE, IF

  • YOU WILL, BY STEVE BANNON. THAT'S HOW THIS WORKS IN TERMS

  • OF WHERE THESE TENSIONS STAND RIGHT NOW.

  • I THINK THEY'RE FACING THAT FIRST 100-DAY PARK.

  • I THINK THEY'RE STAIRING IT DOWN.

  • THEY KNOW THEY WANT THE HEADLINES OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL

  • DAYS AND WEEKS TO BE POSITIVE SO THAT BIG HEADLINE, WHETHER HE

  • REACHES THAT 100-DAY MARK IS POSITIVE.

  • I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING ALL SIDES PUBLICLY TONE IT DOWN

  • A LITTLE BIT. I THINK YOU'RE ALSO RIGHT, STEVE

  • BANNON IS NOT DOING TO CHANGE HIS VIEWS AN JARED KUSHNER ISN'T

  • GOING TO BAG DOWN EITHER, CHRIS. >> YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO

  • FIGHT, THERE ARE MILITARYIST, SOME SAY THIS IS CRAZY, GOING TO

  • WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES IS CRAZY.

  • WE'RE DOING TO LOSE. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THEM.

  • YOU'VE GOT SON-IN-LAW WHO LOOKS LIKE A PRINCE.

  • HE'S BEEN WELL TENDED TO GROWING UP.

  • THEY LOOK LIKE WHAT THEY ARE. THEY'RE BOTH IN TRUMP'S HEAD.

  • >> THE PROBLEM IS, IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T LIKE EACH OTHER, THEY

  • HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON WHAT THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT, WHAT THEY

  • SHOULD -- WHAT POLICIES HE SHOULD PURSUE, THEY ALSO

  • DIFFERENT ATTITUDES OF HOW YOU GET TO WHERE YOU NEED TO GO.

  • STEVE BANNON DESCRIBES HIMSELF AS DISRUPTER.

  • THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. >> LOOK AT THAT GUY.

  • HE'S A GUY WHO WANTS TO WORK IN THE SYSTEM.

  • HE'S SMOOTH NEGOTIATOR. THEY'RE DIFFERENT WHENT WHERE T

  • WANT TO GO AND HOW THEY THINK THEY AUTO GET THERE.

  • >> HE'S NEVER HAD A HANG OVER OR FISTFIGHT IN THE SCHOOLYARD.

  • WHAT DO YOU THINK, I KNOW YOU'VE HAD BOTH?

  • JUST GUESSING. JUST KIDDING.

  • >> I THINK JARED KUSHNER IS WHERE TRUMP IS FROM, WHICH IS

  • THE WORLD OF FINANCE AND REAL ESTATE AND MANHATTAN HIGH

  • SOCIETY. AND STEVE BANNON IS WHERE HE GOT

  • TO, WHICH IS THIS NATIONALISTIC IMPULSE IN AMERICAN POLITICS.

  • I THINK THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THAT BANNON HAS A SET OF POLICY

  • PRIORITIES AND KUSHNER HAS A ROLE AND TURF.

  • BUT IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. KUSHNER, I DON'T THINK HE'S

  • PURSUING A PARTICULAR DISCRETE SET OF POLICIES THAT YOU OR EYE

  • CAN DESCRIBE OR IDENTIFY. I'VE NOT HEARD HIM TALK A LOT

  • ABOUT SPECIFIC POLICY ISSUES THAT HE'S INVESTED IN.

  • HE'S STRETCHED SO THIN AND HIS JOB APPEARS TO BE MOSTLY TO

  • REPRESENT THE PRESIDENT. BUT BANNON HAS A PARTICULAR

  • WORLD VIEW AND A SET OF ISSUES HE CARES ABOUT ON ISIS, ON

  • TRADE, ON MANUFACTURING. AND THERE'S A CERTAIN POWER IN

  • HAVING THAT KIND OF FOCUS, CHRIS.

  • >> WELL, THE -- CHRIS LET'S BRING IT BACKACK TO YOU.

  • THE POLITICS -- I MEAN THE PEOPLE THAT GOT HIM ELECTED WERE

  • NOT JARED KUSHNER AND IVANKA. WHAT BROUGHT HIM TO THE WHITE

  • HOUSE WAS THIS NATIONALIST ABOUT LOSING STRUL JOBS, UPSET ABOUT

  • ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, STUPID WARS, ISSUES THAT GRABBED THE

  • WHITE MIDDLE CLASS RIGHT IN THEIR GUT.

  • WHY IS HE LISTENING TO JARED KUSHNER NOW, IS IT JUST FAMILY?

  • WHY DOESN'T HE LISTEN TO BANNON. HE'S THE BULLET TRAIN THAT TOOK

  • HIM HERE. >> IT'S PARTIALLY FAMILY,

  • REMEMBER HIS OTHER CLOSEST ADVISER IS HIS DAUGHTER.

  • I THINK HE TRUSTS JARED KUSHNER AND IVANKA IMPLICITLY.

  • HE TRUST STEVE BANNON, AS YOU POINT OUT, HIS VIEWPOINT IS

  • REALLY WHAT HELPED HIM GET TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN THE FIRST

  • PLACE. THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK HE'S

  • NECESSARILY IMMINENT. I THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT IS

  • LIKELY TAKING A HARD LOOK AT HIS ENTIRE STAFF RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT

  • WE ALSO KNOW IS THAT STEVE BANNON'S WORLD SEEMS TO BE

  • LIMITED TO SOMETHING, INSTEAD, OF COURSE HE WAS TAKEN OFF THE

  • NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL. WE SEE JARED KUSHNER'S ROLE

  • EXPANDING. HE'S BEEN GIVEN NEW DUTIES AND

  • HE WAS IN IRAQ JUST LAST WEEK, KIND OF ASSESSING THE SITUATION

  • ON THE GROUND. SO IT -- WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE IF

  • YOU READ IT, THE PRESIDENT IS TAKING A HARD LOOK AT HIS ENTIRE

  • TEAM AND ASSESSING IF THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT PLACES.

  • AND IF IT MAKES SINCE TO HAVE THESE TWO SQUARING OFF ON WHOLE

  • HOST OF POLICY ISSUES ALL OF THE TIME.

  • I CAN TELL YOU, STEVE BANNON ISN'T BACKING DOWN FROM THIS.

  • AND IF YOU TALK TO FOLKS WHO ARE CLOSE TO HIM, HE THINKS HE'S

  • WINNING THIS FIGHT. AND AS YOU POINT OUT, CHRIS, HE

  • WELCOMES A GOOD FIGHT, A GOOD ONE.

  • HE'S THE ONE USING ALL OF THESE WAR TERMS AND THROWING THE BOMB.

  • HE'S NOT BACKING DOWN.

GOOD EVENING. I'M CHRIS MATTHEWS IN

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