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to see proof in action. >>> FLEW ECONOMIC SHOW THE
>>> FLEW ECONOMIC SHOW THE ECONOMY IS IN GREAT SHAPE.
ECONOMY IS IN GREAT SHAPE. >> THE ECONOMY IS NOT WORKING
>> THE ECONOMY IS NOT WORKING FOR WORKING PEOPLE.
FOR WORKING PEOPLE. >> THE NUMBERS CONTINUE.
>> THE NUMBERS CONTINUE. >> THEY TELL YOU THEY ARE NOT
>> THEY TELL YOU THEY ARE NOT SHARING IN THIS PROSPERITY.
SHARING IN THIS PROSPERITY. >> OUR COUNTRY IS DOING WELL.
>> OUR COUNTRY IS DOING WELL. NEVER HAS DONE AS WELL AS IT’S
NEVER HAS DONE AS WELL AS IT’S DOING RIGHT NOW ECONOMICALLY.
DOING RIGHT NOW ECONOMICALLY. >>> WELCOME BACK TO "HARDBALL."
>>> WELCOME BACK TO "HARDBALL." LIVE WITH THE DECIDERS.
LIVE WITH THE DECIDERS. THE DECIDERS WE ARE CALLING THEM
THE DECIDERS WE ARE CALLING THEM THAT IN PENNSYLVANIA.
THAT IN PENNSYLVANIA. THIS COUNTY WENT FOR DONALD
THIS COUNTY WENT FOR DONALD TRUMP IN 2016 AFTER DECADES OF
TRUMP IN 2016 AFTER DECADES OF VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING
VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING TWICE FOR OBAMA.
TWICE FOR OBAMA. THAT WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP IN SOME
THAT WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP IN SOME OF HIS DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGERS
OF HIS DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGERS TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY.
TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY. UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, THIS
UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, THIS STRONG ECONOMY WITH LOWER THAN
STRONG ECONOMY WITH LOWER THAN 4% UNEMPLOYMENT WOULD MAKE AN
4% UNEMPLOYMENT WOULD MAKE AN INCUMBENT LIKE TRUMP A BIG
INCUMBENT LIKE TRUMP A BIG FAVORITE, BUT WE’LL SEE.
FAVORITE, BUT WE’LL SEE. JOINING ME NOW, THANK YOU ALL
JOINING ME NOW, THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US.
FOR JOINING US. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY.
ECONOMY. IT DOESN’T RISE EVERYWHERE AT
IT DOESN’T RISE EVERYWHERE AT THE SAME RATE.
THE SAME RATE. YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR CASE.
YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR CASE. IT’S SCARY.
IT’S SCARY. HOW MUCH DO YOU OWE?
HOW MUCH DO YOU OWE? STUDENT LOANS?
STUDENT LOANS? >> I OWE ABOUT $160,000 IN
>> I OWE ABOUT $160,000 IN STUDENT LOANS.
STUDENT LOANS. I PAY $2100 A MONTH IN STUDENT
I PAY $2100 A MONTH IN STUDENT LOANS.
LOANS. I’M VERY LUCKY.
I’M VERY LUCKY. I HAVE GREAT PARENTS.
I HAVE GREAT PARENTS. >> WHERE DID YOU GO?
>> WHERE DID YOU GO? >> THE FASHION INSTITUTE OF
>> THE FASHION INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY IN NEW YORK CITY.
TECHNOLOGY IN NEW YORK CITY. EXPENSIVE.
EXPENSIVE. ONE OF THE TOP FASHION SCHOOLS
ONE OF THE TOP FASHION SCHOOLS IN THE WORLD.
IN THE WORLD. >> IT’S A GREAT SCHOOL.
>> IT’S A GREAT SCHOOL. >> I HAVE GOOD PARENTS WHO LET
>> I HAVE GOOD PARENTS WHO LET ME LIVE WITH THEM.
ME LIVE WITH THEM. >> YOU HAVE TO PAY $2100 A
>> YOU HAVE TO PAY $2100 A MONTH.
MONTH. HOW DO YOU MANAGE THAT?
HOW DO YOU MANAGE THAT? >> I WORK THREE JOBS.
>> I WORK THREE JOBS. A FULL TIME JOB JUST DOING
A FULL TIME JOB JUST DOING BILLING WORK AND THEN I WAITRESS
BILLING WORK AND THEN I WAITRESS ON THE SIDE AND I ALSO ASSISTANT
ON THE SIDE AND I ALSO ASSISTANT COACH SWIMMING.
COACH SWIMMING. >> AND YOU LIVE AT HOME.
>> AND YOU LIVE AT HOME. >> YEP.
>> YEP. >> THAT’S THE BIG DECISION.
>> THAT’S THE BIG DECISION. WOW.
WOW. WHAT’S THAT SAY ABOUT WHAT’S
WHAT’S THAT SAY ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON?
GOING ON? I WENT TO HOLY CROSS.
I WENT TO HOLY CROSS. IT WAS A GREAT COLLEGE.
IT WAS A GREAT COLLEGE. IT COST ME $2,000 A YEAR.
IT COST ME $2,000 A YEAR. MY PARENTS PAID HALF AND IT WAS
MY PARENTS PAID HALF AND IT WAS A BREEZE TO PAY IT OFF.
A BREEZE TO PAY IT OFF. >> I HAVE TWO CHILDREN THAT WENT
>> I HAVE TWO CHILDREN THAT WENT TO KINGS.
TO KINGS. THEY DID GET A LOT OF
THEY DID GET A LOT OF SCHOLARSHIPS.
SCHOLARSHIPS. ONE STARTED OFF AT 90,000 A YEAR
ONE STARTED OFF AT 90,000 A YEAR AND ONE AT 50.
AND ONE AT 50. WE HAVE BEEN VERY LUCKY.
WE HAVE BEEN VERY LUCKY. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT COURSE YOU
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT COURSE YOU TAKE.
TAKE. COMPUTERS AND ATHLETIC TRAINING.
COMPUTERS AND ATHLETIC TRAINING. >> HOW DID YOU VOTE FOR TRUMP.
>> HOW DID YOU VOTE FOR TRUMP. >> I WAS A LIFELONG DEMOCRAT AND
>> I WAS A LIFELONG DEMOCRAT AND LIKED THAT HE WAS A BUSINESSMAN.
LIKED THAT HE WAS A BUSINESSMAN. I WANTED JOB AND ECONOMIC
I WANTED JOB AND ECONOMIC GROWTH.
GROWTH. WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN
WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN COUNTRY BEFORE WE TAKE CARE OF
COUNTRY BEFORE WE TAKE CARE OF OTHERS.
OTHERS. >> HOW IS IT GOING?
>> HOW IS IT GOING? >> IT’S GOING GOOD.
>> IT’S GOING GOOD. THERE ARE BELIEVES GOING UP IN
THERE ARE BELIEVES GOING UP IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK HERE.
THE INDUSTRIAL PARK HERE. THERE IS HELP WANTED SIGNS
THERE IS HELP WANTED SIGNS EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK.
EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK. >> DOES ANYONE THINK IT’S
>> DOES ANYONE THINK IT’S GETTING A LITTLE BETTER? SHOW OF
GETTING A LITTLE BETTER? SHOW OF HANDS IT’S GETTING A LITTLE
HANDS IT’S GETTING A LITTLE BETTER.
BETTER. SHOW OF HANDS IT’S NOT.
SHOW OF HANDS IT’S NOT. THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE,
THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, NATIONALLY IT’S INCREDIBLY LOW.
NATIONALLY IT’S INCREDIBLY LOW. A LOT OF THE JOBS DON’T PAY
A LOT OF THE JOBS DON’T PAY MUCH.
MUCH. WHAT DID YOU THINK.
WHAT DID YOU THINK. DID ANYBODY BENEFIT FROM THE TAX
DID ANYBODY BENEFIT FROM THE TAX CUT?
CUT? HOW MANY BENEFITTED FROM THE TAX
HOW MANY BENEFITTED FROM THE TAX CUT?
CUT? THAT’S NOT MUCH.
THAT’S NOT MUCH. WHO DID.
WHO DID. YOU DID?
YOU DID? WHY DID YOU LIKE THE TAX CUT?
WHY DID YOU LIKE THE TAX CUT? >> I HAD SEEN THE RESULTS OF THE
>> I HAD SEEN THE RESULTS OF THE TAX CUT IN THE EMPLOYER WHERE I
TAX CUT IN THE EMPLOYER WHERE I WORK.
WORK. THEY INVESTED MORE IN THE
THEY INVESTED MORE IN THE BUILDING.
BUILDING. WE GOT THE MOST SUBSTANTIAL
WE GOT THE MOST SUBSTANTIAL RAISE THAT WE EVER GOT.
RAISE THAT WE EVER GOT. >> YOU ARE A TEAMSTER?
>> YOU ARE A TEAMSTER? >> YES.
>> YES. >> JAMES HOFFA DELIVERED FOR
>> JAMES HOFFA DELIVERED FOR YOU.
YOU. >> NO, I WAS A CHIEF NEGOTIATOR
>> NO, I WAS A CHIEF NEGOTIATOR MYSELF.
MYSELF. >> HOW CAN YOU BE A UNION GUY
>> HOW CAN YOU BE A UNION GUY AND A REPUBLICAN?
AND A REPUBLICAN? I’M CURIOUS.
I’M CURIOUS. >> THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS MORE
>> THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS MORE ALIGNED WITH MY PERSONAL MORAL
ALIGNED WITH MY PERSONAL MORAL VALUES BEING PRO LIFE AND
VALUES BEING PRO LIFE AND WANTING TO HAVE PERSONAL
WANTING TO HAVE PERSONAL FREEDOMS FOR MANY THINGS.
FREEDOMS FOR MANY THINGS. LEGAL IMMIGRATION BECAUSE I SEE
LEGAL IMMIGRATION BECAUSE I SEE THE IMPACT WHEN THE LABOR MARKET
THE IMPACT WHEN THE LABOR MARKET IS INUNDATED WITH WORKERS
IS INUNDATED WITH WORKERS WORKING UNDER THE TABLE.
WORKING UNDER THE TABLE. IT LOWERS THE WAGES FOR THE
IT LOWERS THE WAGES FOR THE UNION WORKERS AND FOR THE OTHER
UNION WORKERS AND FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. THERE IS A READY UNDERGROUND
THERE IS A READY UNDERGROUND LABOR MARKET IN MANY BUILDING
LABOR MARKET IN MANY BUILDING TRADES.
TRADES. I HAD MANY FELLOW UNION MEMBERS
I HAD MANY FELLOW UNION MEMBERS COME UP TO ME AND SAY IT’S
COME UP TO ME AND SAY IT’S HURTING US VERY BAD.
HURTING US VERY BAD. >> HOW DO YOU LIKE THIS ECONOMY
>> HOW DO YOU LIKE THIS ECONOMY WITH THE UBER AND LYFT?
WITH THE UBER AND LYFT? >> AROUND HERE THERE IS NOT A
>> AROUND HERE THERE IS NOT A LOT OF TAXI TRAVEL, BUT I KNOW
LOT OF TAXI TRAVEL, BUT I KNOW THAT PEOPLE USE THEM A LOT WHEN
THAT PEOPLE USE THEM A LOT WHEN THEY ARE AT THE BARS OR
THEY ARE AT THE BARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> IT’S HUGE WITH KIDS.
>> IT’S HUGE WITH KIDS. >> IT’S GOING HURT TAXI DRIVERS.
>> IT’S GOING HURT TAXI DRIVERS. >> WHAT ARE ABOUT THE GUYS WHO
>> WHAT ARE ABOUT THE GUYS WHO OWN THE MEDALLION.
OWN THE MEDALLION. >> YOU SPOKE ABOUT FLEEDREEDOM,
>> YOU SPOKE ABOUT FLEEDREEDOM, I SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES
I SERVED IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY FOR 30 YEARS.
ARMY FOR 30 YEARS. [ APPLAUSE ]
[ APPLAUSE ] IT WAS ALL ABOUT FREEDOM.
IT WAS ALL ABOUT FREEDOM. I CAME HOME AND REALIZED MY
I CAME HOME AND REALIZED MY COMMUNITY WAS NOT FREE.
COMMUNITY WAS NOT FREE. WE HAD MORE PEOPLE IN MY
WE HAD MORE PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY. I LIVED IN MONROE COUNTY IN THE
I LIVED IN MONROE COUNTY IN THE POCONOS.
POCONOS. WE HAD MORE PEOPLE GOING OUT OF
WE HAD MORE PEOPLE GOING OUT OF MONROE INTO NEW YORK FOR JOBS
MONROE INTO NEW YORK FOR JOBS BECAUSE OF COST OF LIVING HERE
BECAUSE OF COST OF LIVING HERE NOT BECAUSE OF COST OF LIVING,
NOT BECAUSE OF COST OF LIVING, BUT BECAUSE OF THE MINIMUM WAGE.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE MINIMUM WAGE. NOT SUSTAINABLE HERE OR IN
NOT SUSTAINABLE HERE OR IN PENNSYLVANIA.
PENNSYLVANIA. 7.25 AN HOUR IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.
7.25 AN HOUR IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. PEOPLE WORK HARD TO BUILD THEIR
PEOPLE WORK HARD TO BUILD THEIR HOMES AND THEY CANNOT ENJOY IT
HOMES AND THEY CANNOT ENJOY IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE
BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE OF MONROE COUNTY OR OUTSIDE OF
OF MONROE COUNTY OR OUTSIDE OF MY AREA.
MY AREA. >> WHY DO THEY LIVE IN MONROE
>> WHY DO THEY LIVE IN MONROE COUNTY AND NOT NEW YORK CITY.
COUNTY AND NOT NEW YORK CITY. >> BECAUSE THEY CAN’T AFFORD IT.
>> BECAUSE THEY CAN’T AFFORD IT. >> THE HIGH WAGES THEY ARE
>> THE HIGH WAGES THEY ARE PAYING IN NEW YORK CITY
PAYING IN NEW YORK CITY CONTRIBUTE TO THE LIFESTYLE AND
CONTRIBUTE TO THE LIFESTYLE AND COST OF LIVING IN THE CITIES.
COST OF LIVING IN THE CITIES. THAT’S WHY PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF
THAT’S WHY PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF THE CITIES.
THE CITIES. >> WE TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC
>> WE TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
DEVELOPMENT. >> THERE IS JOBS IN MY AREA, BUT
>> THERE IS JOBS IN MY AREA, BUT IT’S MINIMUM WAGE JOBS.
IT’S MINIMUM WAGE JOBS. WE ARE BECOMING THE WATER PARK
WE ARE BECOMING THE WATER PARK CITY.
CITY. >> PEOPLE NEED TO GET AWAY FROM
>> PEOPLE NEED TO GET AWAY FROM MINIMUM WAGE JOBS.
MINIMUM WAGE JOBS. THEY NEED TO FIND OTHER SKILLS.
THEY NEED TO FIND OTHER SKILLS. THEY NEED TO TAKE --
THEY NEED TO TAKE -- >> I WANT TO GET THIS, SIR.
>> I WANT TO GET THIS, SIR. >> WE CAN’T GUARANTEE PEOPLE
>> WE CAN’T GUARANTEE PEOPLE THEIR WAGES.
THEIR WAGES. YOU HAVE TO EARN IT.
YOU HAVE TO EARN IT. >> WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT THE
>> WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT THE MINIMUM WAGE?
MINIMUM WAGE? >> THE LAST TIME THEY RAISED THE
>> THE LAST TIME THEY RAISED THE MINIMUM WAGE WAS 20 YEARS AGO.
MINIMUM WAGE WAS 20 YEARS AGO. 42%.
42%. >> I WON’T ARGUE THAT.
>> I WON’T ARGUE THAT. THAT’S WHY I TOOK A JOB IN A
THAT’S WHY I TOOK A JOB IN A FACTORY AS A UNION MEMBER.
FACTORY AS A UNION MEMBER. >> DON’T BE A HYPOCRITE!
>> DON’T BE A HYPOCRITE! COME ON!
COME ON! >> YOU NEED TO EARN MORE MONEY
>> YOU NEED TO EARN MORE MONEY BY EARNING MORE SKILLS.
BY EARNING MORE SKILLS. >> LET THIS GENTLEMAN SPEAK,
>> LET THIS GENTLEMAN SPEAK, PLEASE.
PLEASE. >> FIRST AND FOREMOST, I’M NOT
>> FIRST AND FOREMOST, I’M NOT RED OR BLUE, I’M RED, WHITE, AND
RED OR BLUE, I’M RED, WHITE, AND BLUE.
BLUE. IF THAT’S WHAT I BOILS DOWN TO,
IF THAT’S WHAT I BOILS DOWN TO, I’M A DISABLED COMBAT VICTORY
I’M A DISABLED COMBAT VICTORY AND A UNION MEMBER AND UNION
AND A UNION MEMBER AND UNION STEWARD.
STEWARD. AND I WILL TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THE TRUTH. I DID NOT VOTE IN THE LAST
I DID NOT VOTE IN THE LAST ELECTION BECAUSE NEITHER PARTY
ELECTION BECAUSE NEITHER PARTY HAD THE BEST INTEREST FOR ME,
HAD THE BEST INTEREST FOR ME, THE AMERICAN CITIZEN.
THE AMERICAN CITIZEN. WE STILL WANT TO DO ALL THIS
WE STILL WANT TO DO ALL THIS COAL AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT
COAL AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION.
IMMIGRATION. LET’S TALK ABOUT THE ROADS AND
LET’S TALK ABOUT THE ROADS AND THE SCHOOLS AND OUR ECONOMY AND
THE SCHOOLS AND OUR ECONOMY AND THE VA.
THE VA. THE VA THAT IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE
THE VA THAT IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE CARE OF US.
CARE OF US. OUR UNIONS --
OUR UNIONS -- >> THERE WAS A $2 TRILLION
>> THERE WAS A $2 TRILLION INFRASTRUCTURE BILL TALKED ABOUT
INFRASTRUCTURE BILL TALKED ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.
TWO WEEKS AGO. IT WAS REAL.
IT WAS REAL. PELOSI WANTS TO GET TRUMP OUT
PELOSI WANTS TO GET TRUMP OUT THERE, BASICALLY.
THERE, BASICALLY. SHE SAT DOWN WITH HIM AND THEY
SHE SAT DOWN WITH HIM AND THEY SAID HOW ABOUT 2 TRILLION
SAID HOW ABOUT 2 TRILLION DOLLARS.
DOLLARS. THE REPUBLICANS MET AND DECIDED
THE REPUBLICANS MET AND DECIDED TO DO NOTHING.
TO DO NOTHING. SQUAT.
SQUAT. TOM PEREZ, WILL YOU STAND UP.
TOM PEREZ, WILL YOU STAND UP. WHAT ARE THE DEMOCRATS GOING TO
WHAT ARE THE DEMOCRATS GOING TO DO IF THEY GET BACK IN THERE?
DO IF THEY GET BACK IN THERE? MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE IN WORK AND
MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE IN WORK AND SECURITY AND I DROVE HERE LAST
SECURITY AND I DROVE HERE LAST NIGHT FROM NEW YORK.
NIGHT FROM NEW YORK. THERE IS A FEW BUMPS.
THERE IS A FEW BUMPS. IT’S REAL.
IT’S REAL. YOUR THOUGHTS?
YOUR THOUGHTS? >> LISTEN, CHRIS.
>> LISTEN, CHRIS. I HAVE BEEN LISTENING AND I WANT
I HAVE BEEN LISTENING AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR
TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR HONESTY.
HONESTY. I CAME HERE AND UNFORTUNATELY
I CAME HERE AND UNFORTUNATELY THE RNC CHAIR DIDN’T EVEN THOUGH
THE RNC CHAIR DIDN’T EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS INVITED BECAUSE IT’S
SHE WAS INVITED BECAUSE IT’S IMPORTANT TO LISTEN AND LEARN.
IMPORTANT TO LISTEN AND LEARN. WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT I’M
WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT I’M HEARING RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A
HEARING RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A CONVERSATION ABOUT ECONOMIC
CONVERSATION ABOUT ECONOMIC SECURITY AND THE DIGNITY OF
SECURITY AND THE DIGNITY OF WORK.
WORK. FOR DEMOCRATS, THE DIGNITY OF
FOR DEMOCRATS, THE DIGNITY OF WORK MEANS YOU ONLY WORK ONE
WORK MEANS YOU ONLY WORK ONE JOB, NOT THREE JOBS!
JOB, NOT THREE JOBS! THE DIGNITY OF WORK, CHRIS, IT
THE DIGNITY OF WORK, CHRIS, IT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE HEALTH CARE.
MEANS THAT YOU HAVE HEALTH CARE. IN THE LAST WEEK, IF YOU WANT TO
IN THE LAST WEEK, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE YOUR
KNOW, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE YOUR BACK.
BACK. IN THE LAST WEEK, INCLUDING
IN THE LAST WEEK, INCLUDING TODAY, THERE HAVE BEEN A TOTAL
TODAY, THERE HAVE BEEN A TOTAL OF EIGHT BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN
OF EIGHT BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED OR WILL BE PASSED IN THE
PASSED OR WILL BE PASSED IN THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF
UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO MAKE SURE
REPRESENTATIVES TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU HAVE A PREEXISTING
THAT IF YOU HAVE A PREEXISTING CONDITION, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR
CONDITION, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR HEALTH CARE AND LOWER --
HEALTH CARE AND LOWER -- [ APPLAUSE ]
[ APPLAUSE ] >> PLEASE COME BACK FOR MORE
>> PLEASE COME BACK FOR MORE ABOUT EQUAL TIME.
ABOUT EQUAL TIME. THIS IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE HERE
THIS IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE HERE AND THE BIG SHOTS.