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  • If you've ever heard Bernie Sanders speak, this probably sounds familiar.

  • Now is the time for a political revolution!

  • Political revolution!

  • Political,

  • revolution!

  • He talks a lot about big change.

  • Political revolution.

  • But recently, I found some old footage of Bernie Sanders

  • that I didn’t really know what to make of.

  • I came across some archival tape of his cable access program

  • that he ran when he was mayor of Burlington.

  • Here, I'll just play it for you.

  • Also, our library.

  • We have a beautiful library.

  • When I look at this tape, I see him talking about extremely boring things.

  • A lot of people don’t realize that Bernie Sanders is a veteran politician,

  • veteran elected official.

  • He has always maintained this dual-track view, these very high aspirations, very ideological

  • Political revolution which is going to transform America.

  • with the idea that day to day you need to be a competent politician who does things.

  • Burlington will soon have a beautiful downtown supermarket.

  • Most political journalism, whether it's pro-Bernie or anti-Bernie, tends to focus on that first track,

  • the ideology.

  • Bernie Sandersplatform is really pie in the sky.

  • An ideologue without a lot of substance. He is really trying to inspire people to be

  • involved in what he calls a movement more than a campaign.

  • But the best way to predict how someone will act in the future, is to look what theyve allready done.

  • Bernie Sanders has a record.

  • So, what does it tell us about what kind of president he'd make,

  • and his odds of getting there in the first place?

  • A lot of the time when you see people make the case for Sanders, they just talk about

  • those big ideas.

  • ...complete change of politics in America.

  • ...a revolution of spirit, a revolution of priorities.

  • Some people love those big ideas, but others don’t.

  • And what I said to them is, look at when he was a mayor.

  • He didn't try to abolish private businesses in the city.

  • He tried to make the tax code more progressive and he tried to provide more services.

  • He is aware of how to operate in these kinds of spaces.

  • The gentleman from Vermont is recognized for five minutes.

  • When Bernie Sanders has to cast votes not in perfect alignment

  • with what he says his principles are

  • What happens in those situations?

  • There are three kinds of Bernie Sanders votes in Congress.

  • One is the sort of courageous dissent.

  • The invasion of Iraq, that's going to pass.

  • He takes a stand against it.

  • I will vote against the unilateral invasion and occupation of Iraq.

  • The other is the kind of big legislative package that everybody agrees to.

  • And some members, Bernie among them, often cast dissenting votes there just to say, no,

  • I want to hold out for my pure vision.

  • But then there's the third kind.

  • There's a progressive bill where Democrats need his vote for it to pass.

  • And it may not align with exactly all of his principles.

  • You look at the Affordable Care Act.

  • Mr. Sanders, aye.

  • The stimulus at the beginning of the Obama administration.

  • Mr. Sanders, aye

  • Dodd-Frank financial regulatory reform. A bill, in which in a number of ways moves us forward.

  • If there were 80 Bernie Sandersin the Senate, he probably would've passed a different bill.

  • But he's not blind to the fact that incremental progress is real progress.

  • One area that I don’t hear a lot about in the primary is foreign policy.

  • Where does Bernie stand in terms of America's role in the world?

  • Sanders has a distinctive approach to foreign policy from the other candidates in the field.

  • He's been critical, not just of the specifics, but of the sort of nature of American military

  • posture around the world.

  • No more B-2 bombers, no more "Star Wars." Let’s make the quality products we need.

  • Let’s invest in American industry.

  • No, I won't yield.

  • For years, we have loved Saudi Arabia, our wonderful ally.

  • The only problem is that the people that run that country are murderous thugs.

  • He has raised, I think, sharp and necessary questions about the nature of the U.S. alliance

  • with Israel, with Saudi Arabia.

  • Donald Trump and Barack Obama have both spoken about their desire to not be mired in so many

  • Middle Eastern wars, but they haven't taken the kind of tough steps that would actually

  • generate change there.

  • And I think Sanders might.

  • So thinking about a potential match-up between Bernie and Trump in the general election.

  • What's the affirmative case for Bernie in that situation?

  • If you look at the numbers from 2016.

  • Not only did Trump lose the popular vote, but he got only 46 percent.

  • If you could unify all the non-Republicans.

  • So the libertarian voters, the Green voters and the Democrats, you would beat Trump and

  • you would beat him easily.

  • And Bernie has a track record of doing that kind of thing.

  • Bernie is sometimes felt by Democrats to be a divisive force in the party.

  • But I think another way of looking at it is that Bernie speaks for people who are not

  • necessarily into the Democratic Party.

  • If you combine people who love the Democratic Party, people who, you know, post Nancy Pelosi memes,

  • with Bernie's people.

  • Then, you have a unified anti-Trump force.

  • Bernie is beating Trump in the key swing states.

  • We know these are places in the upper Midwest where NAFTA is unpopular.

  • I happen to believe that our trade policies over the years have been a disaster for workers

  • in this country.

  • Bernie is somebody who sometimes attracts complaints for privileging economics over

  • other things.

  • But I do think that that's a winning electoral strategy.

  • One of the things that Mayor Pete, for example, and Biden too, talk a lot about is this sort

  • of like sense of a return to unity and hope.

  • I refuse to accept the notion that we can never have cooperation again.

  • We have been told by some that you must either be for a revolution or you are for the status quo.

  • I think Sandersis view on this, which I think is correct, is that politics is a

  • location of struggle.

  • None of these Democratic candidates are going to be able to fully deliver on all their promises.

  • There are going to have to be deals made, compromises made.

  • That's the political process, but you need to be able to bring people along with you.

  • And the question is...

  • And that's something that I think Sanders is going to be able to do.

  • He has this slogan,

  • And that, you know, is in part about like,how does politics work?

  • Nobody is so amazing that if everybody then just walks away that all these problems are

  • going to be solved.

  • What we need as a society is a politically engaged populace.

  • We don't know, if Bernie brings a bunch of his younger supporters into the electoral process,

  • he boosts youth turnout.

  • Will that effect last?

  • But it's guaranteed not to work if you don't try.

If you've ever heard Bernie Sanders speak, this probably sounds familiar.

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