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  • FOLKS, WELCOME BACK.

  • MY FIRST GUEST HAS BEEN COVERING POLITICS FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

  • LET'S SEE IF TODAY'S NEWS HAS GIVEN HIM ANYTHING TO SHOUT

  • ABOUT.

  • PLEASE WELCOME, THE HOST OF "HARDBALL," CHRIS MATTHEWS!

  • ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) ( BAND PLAYING )

  • >> Stephen: GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

  • >> HI, STEVE.

  • >> Stephen: HOW ARE YOU?

  • AS WELL AS ANYBODY IS.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) >> Stephen: WHAT THE HELL IS

  • GOING ON, CHRIS MATTHEWS?

  • THE G7, THE G8, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, HAS BEEN GOING ON

  • YEARS.

  • HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS

  • ADVERSARIAL THE ENTIRE TIME?

  • >> THIS IS THE SOFTBALL GAME OF THE YEAR.

  • YOU GO UP AND HANG AROUND WITH CANADA.

  • WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A BORDER WITH CANADA.

  • CANADA IS EASY, IT'S A NICE COUNTRY, LAKE THEY LIKE US AND

  • THEY HAVE A REALLY PRETTY PRIME MINISTER, YOU KNOW?

  • >> Stephen: MAYBE THAT'S WHAT MAKES TRUMP SUSPICIOUS.

  • >> I THINK HE MIGHT BE THE WICKED WITCH AND HE'S SNOW WHITE

  • AND HE SAYS, WHO'S THE FAIREST OF THEM ALL?

  • MAYBE THAT GUY IS.

  • IT'S STRANGE.

  • CANADA HAS ALWAYS BEEN OKAY WITH US.

  • I KNOW THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR CEDAR SHINGLES AND SHAKES AND

  • LUMBER AND ALL THOSE ISSUES ARE LIKELY IMPORTANT WITH THEM, BUT

  • WE'VE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT, THEY'RE TRICKY ABOUT THE TRADE ISSUES

  • AND TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY.

  • TRUMP SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT, INSTEAD OF GETTING MAD AT

  • THEM.

  • THE WEIRD THING, IS HE WAS ELECTED LEADER OF THE FREE

  • WORLD, AND NOW HE'S DISBANDING IT.

  • I MEAN, OF ALL THOSE COUNTRIES UP THERE, THEY ARE THE FREE

  • WORLD.

  • IT'S THE FRENCH, THE BRITS, THE ITALIANS, JAPANESE, CANADIANS,

  • ALL OUR FRIENDS.

  • WE ALL ARE DEMOCRACIES, WE HAVE REGULAR ELECTIONS, WE PICK OUR

  • LEADERS, WE GET RID OF THEM IF WE DON'T LIKE THEM, WE HAVE FREE

  • SPEECH.

  • THEY'RE ALL THE GOOD COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD, AND HE'S TELLING

  • THEM TO GO TO HELL, LITERALLY!

  • >> Stephen: WHAT'S THE ARGUMENT, THE UPSIDE FOR THE

  • UNITED STATES?

  • >> THERE ISN'T ANY.

  • HE WANTS TO MAKE FRIENDS WITH THE COUNTRIES WHERE LEADERS KILL

  • PEOPLE.

  • THE LITTLE GUY IN NORTH KOREA, THE GUY WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE

  • IN CHARGE OF HIM, HIS UNCLE, HE KILLED THEM.

  • AND THEN HE KILLED HIS HALF BROTHER.

  • REMEMBER THE AIRPORT IN MALAYSIA, THEY PAINTED THE

  • POISON ON HIM?

  • THE GUY HAS KILLED ABOUT 300 PEOPLE AROUND THEY KNOW ABOUT.

  • LOOK AT PUTIN, HE KILLS JOURNALISTS.

  • THESE ARE AWFUL PEOPLE, AND HE WANTS TO BECOME BEST FRIENDS

  • WITH THEM.

  • >> Stephen: I CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND NORTH KOREA, BECAUSE

  • YOU BUTTER UP SOME OF THEM TO GET THEM TO THE NEGOTIATING

  • TABLE, AND IF HE SUCCEEDS, GOD BLESS HIM.

  • IF HE SUCCEEDS IN REDUCING THE NUCLEAR THREAT IN NORTH KOREA --

  • ( LAUGHTER ) NO, BUT YOU HAVE TO THINK THE

  • BEST AND HOPE THE PRESIDENT SUCCEEDS IN THAT CONDITION.

  • >> THIS IS NOT A DATE.

  • IT'S NOT LUNCH.

  • IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

  • >> Stephen: MAYBE HE'LL TAKE HIM FURNITURE SHOPPING.

  • >> THAT'S WHAT THEY DO AT THE FUNDRAISERS, THEY TAKE THEM UP

  • TO NEW HOPE AND LOOK AT OLD FURNITURE.

  • WE THINK ABOUT A MILLION THINGS IN THE UNITED STATES AND A LOT

  • OF IT IS IMPORTANT STUFF.

  • WE ARE THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD

  • KNOWS IT.

  • WHEN EAST GERMANY FELL, WHEN THE BERLIN WALL CAME DOWN, YOU KNOW

  • WHAT I FOUND OUT AFTERWARD?

  • I WAS OVER THERE.

  • THE LAST DICTATOR, AND HE'S A BAD GUY, HEAD OF EAST GERMANY,

  • HIS NUMBER ONE GOAL IN LIFE WAS TO BE INVITED TO THE WHITE

  • HOUSE.

  • EVEN THE BAD COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD KNOW WE'RE THE GREATEST

  • COUNTRY.

  • THE BAD GUYS KNOW.

  • THIS THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND.

  • THEY ALL WANT TO BE INVITED TO SIT DOWN WITH US BECAUSE THEY

  • KNOW WE'RE THE GREATEST COUNTRY EVER AND IT'S A FACT, IT'S A

  • HARD THING FOR CYNICS TO BUY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A GOOD

  • PERSON TO RECOGNIZE THIS IS A GREAT COUNTRY.

  • AND THIS LITTLE GUY WANTS TO MEET WITH OUR GUY AND SIT DOWN

  • TOGETHER AND LOOK LIKE EQUALS.

  • >> Stephen: WHAT DOES THE UNITED STATES GET OUT OF THIS?

  • DONALD TRUMP GOES OVER THERE.

  • THE OBJECTIVE IS DENUCLEARIZATION, WITH WHICH IS

  • A WORTHY GOAL, IF HE CAN GET IT, GOD BLESS HIM, JUST MAKE THE

  • WORLD SAFER.

  • BUT EXPERTS ARE SAYING THE CHANCE THEY WILL GIVE UP THEIR

  • NUKES ARE VERY SLIM.

  • >> THAT'S ALL THEY'VE GOT.

  • >> Stephen: AND YET, KIM GETS WHAT HE WANTS, WHICH IS EQUAL

  • FOOTING WITH THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD.

  • >> HE WANTS US TO GET OUR TROOPS OUT AND HE WANTS THE BORDER OPEN

  • FOR HIM TO DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.

  • HE WANTS US TO NO LONGER PROTECT JAPAN OR SOUTH KOREA AND HE HAS

  • NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

  • THAT'S THE SCARY THING ABOUT.

  • THIS I'M WORRIED ABOUT TRUMP BEING FOLD AND HE COMES OUT AND

  • SAYS, LET'S HAVE END OF HOSTILITIES BETWEEN NORTH AND

  • SOUTH, LET'S HAVE AN OFFICIAL TREATY, AND TRUMP WILL SAY,

  • GREAT HEADLINE TOMORROW.

  • THAT GIVE AWAY THE JUSTIFICATION OF HAVING OUR TROOPS AND I THINK

  • THAT'S WHAT KIM JONG UN WANTS.

  • >> Stephen: IF WE DECLARE PEACE --.

  • >> NO REASON FOR OUR TROOPS.

  • >> Stephen: WE STILL HAVE TROOPS IN GERMANY.

  • >> BECAUSE THEY WANT THEM THERE.

  • I DON'T THINK SOUTH KOREA WANTS US THERE IF THEY DUE TO A DEAL.

  • I THINK KIM WANTS A DEAL THAT SEPARATES US FROM SOUTH KOREA.

  • THAT'S MY PREDICTION.

  • >> Stephen: LET'S TALK ABOUT RUSSIA FOR A SECOND.

  • >> NOT A HAPPY SCENARIO.

  • >> Stephen: NO.

  • BUT I'M WITH YOU, STEPHEN.

  • IF IT MAKES THE WORLD SAFER, LET'S ALL APPLAUD AND MOVE ON.

  • I HOPE WE DO MAKE THE WORLD SAFER.

  • IF THEY AGREE TO RESTRAIN THEIR TESTING OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS, IF

  • THEY AGREE TO RESTRICT THEIR TESTING OF MISSILES, I MEAN,

  • THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

  • >> Stephen: TRUMP WANTS RUSSIA BACK IN THE G8.

  • HE GOES, SOMETHING HAPPENED -- HE JUST GLOSSES OVER ATROCITIES

  • AND HE GOES LET'S GET THEM BACK IN THERE.

  • WHAT IS THE POSSIBLE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT

  • ESPECIALLY WHEN THE HEAD OF THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICES ARE SAYING

  • THE RUSSIANS ARE STILL TRYING TO GAME THE 2018 ELECTION NOW.

  • HOW CAN THAT BE DEFENDED?

  • DO YOU TALK TO ANYBODY ON TRUMP SIDE SAYING THE REASON HE WANTS

  • THIS IS X, Y, AND Z?

  • BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE THE RATIONALE.

  • >> WE KNOW RUSSIA WANTS TO TAKE AWAY OUR MORAL SUPERIORITY

  • BECAUSE WE HAVE CLEAN ELECTIONS AND A DEMOCRACY GOING BACK TO

  • 1879.

  • NO OTHER COUNTRY CAN MATCH THAT.

  • THE FRENCH HAVE HAD FIVE REPUBLICS, WE HAVE THE ONE WE

  • STARTED.

  • WITH THIS COUNTRY IS A GREAT ROLE MODEL FOR DEMOCRACY.

  • RUSSIA WANTS TO TAKE THE MORAL ADVANTAGE AWAY FROM US.

  • THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO IN 2016, LET THE WHOLE WORLD SEE WE

  • HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR ELECTIONS AND THEY HAVE THAT

  • DONE.

  • NOW WE REWARD THEM BY PUTTING THEM BACK IN THE G7 AND MAKE IT

  • THE G8 AGAIN.

  • TRUMP NEVER SAYS A WORD AGAINST THE RUSSIAN FORCE WHAT THEY DID

  • TO OUR ELECTIONS.

  • >> Stephen: NEITHER TO THE REPUBLICANS.

  • >> TRUE.

  • >> Stephen: YOU TALK TO THESE PEOPLE MORE THAN I DO.

  • WHAT DO THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON SAY WHO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT

  • SAY -- >> THEY'RE SCARED TO DEATHS OF

  • HIM.

  • 86% OF REPUBLICANS SUPPORT TRUMP.

  • REPUBLICANS ACT PERSONALLY A LOT LIKE MIKE PENCE.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) >> Stephen: OH, WE HAVE A

  • FANTASTIC CLIP.

  • >> BY THE WAY, I WANTED TO SAY --

  • >> Stephen: IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS --

  • >> I KNOW YOU LIKE THE MOVIE "MAN FOR ALL SEASONS" ABOUT

  • HENRY II AND THE GREAT THOMAS MOORE WHO DIED FOR HIS RELIGION

  • AND WHEN HENRY VIII PLAYED BY ROBERT SHAW GETS OUT OF HIS

  • BOAT, WATCH HOW EVERYBODY BEHAVES.

  • >> Stephen: WE PULLED THIS CLIP.

  • IMAGINE SHAW IS TRUMP.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) >> THAT'S THEM.

  • >> Stephen: YES.

  • THAT'S THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

  • >> Stephen: HE WAS A MONSTER.

  • THAT'S THEM!

  • ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: HE'S DESCRIBED AS

  • A MONSTER WHO NONE DARED GAIN SAY.

  • >> THESE ARE ALL LIKE MIKE PENCE, THAT'S WHAT HE DOES.

  • >> Stephen: TRUMP, PENCE.

  • BOTTLE DOWN FOR NO REASON AND RIGHT WITH YOU, SIR.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) ( APPLAUSE )

  • WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

  • WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

  • >> IT MEANS WE ALWAYS SAY DEMOCRATS FALL IN LOVE,

  • REPUBLICANS FALL IN LINE.

  • I GET IN TROUBLE FOR THIS, BUT REPUBLICANS ARE STEREOTYPICAL.

  • THEY ALL PLAY GOLF AND THEY ALL READ THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL"

  • AND THEY VOTE REPUBLICAN.

  • THEY SHOW UP AT THE MOVIES ON TIME.

  • REPUBLICANS ARE A VERY REGIMENTED PEOPLE.

  • >> Stephen: THEY SHOW UP TO THE MOVIES ON TIME?

  • >> OH, YOU JUST KNOW THEY DO.

  • >> Stephen: DEMOCRATS SHOW UP LATE?

  • >> THEY'RE THE ONES THAT COME IN WITH THE BIG COKES AND THE

  • POPCORN.

  • WHAT TIME DID THIS MOVIE START ANYWAY?

  • PUSHING THEIR WAY PAST YOU.

  • REPUBLICANS ARE ON TIME.

  • ONE THING I'LL SAY FOR THEM.

  • >> Stephen: I'M GOING TO NEED SOME SOCIOLOGICAL STUDY TO BACK

  • THAT UP.

  • >> I HAVE THE DATA.

  • >> Stephen: TOUGH DATA ON THAT ONE?

  • ( LAUGHTER ) OKAY.

  • >> BUT I THINK IT'S SAD BECAUSE -- THEY'RE ALL LEAVING

  • NOW, TREY GOWDY, CORKER, FLAKE IS LEAVING, AND EVERY TIME

  • THEY'RE LEAVING, THEY START TALKING HONESTLY.

  • ISN'T THAT WEIRD?

  • WHAT'S THE NAME, SPEAKER RYAN IS

  • NOW TALKING THE TRUTH.

  • >> Stephen: THEY RECOVER FROM THE MORAL AMNESIA.

  • >> THE MINUTE THEY'RE LEAVING, THEY TELL THE TRUTH.

  • THIS IS THE SAD THING ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT IS NOW

  • LACKING ANY GUTS TO SAY ANYTHING AGAINST THIS GUY, AND I THINK

  • THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS MORALLY SOME DAY BECAUSE I

  • THINK JOHN PAUL SERGEANT SAID WE DON'T ALWAYS DO WHAT WE WANT BUT

  • WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHO WE ARE AND THEY WILL BE HELD

  • HISTORICALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR FOLLOWING THIS GUY, AND IT'S A

  • REAL PROBLEM.

  • ( APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: WELL, YOU KNOW,

  • GETTING BACK -- GETTING BACK TO" A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS ," THERE'S

  • A MOMENT WHERE MOORE IS IN JAIL FOR NOT VIOLATING HIS OWN

  • CONSCIENCE, BECAUSE IT'S A PLAY AND A MOVIE ABOUT THE SELF AND

  • WHAT CAN YOU BRING YOURSELF TO DO AND NOT TO DO, AND HIS

  • DAUGHTER SAYS OH, JUST TAKE AN OATH AND DON'T MEAN IT.

  • THESE PEOPLE WHO STAND UP FOR TRUMP HAVE TAKEN AN OATH TO

  • DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND MOORE SAYS WHEN A MAN TAKES AN

  • OATH HE WILL NOT FIND HIMSELF AGAIN IF HE DOESN'T FINISH THE

  • OATH AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW

  • TRUMP.

  • ( APPLAUSE ) >> WE HAVE TO BE JUST AS TOUGH

  • ON THE OPPOSITION THESE DAYS BECAUSE WHAT NERO DID THE OTHER

  • NIGHT -- YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I THINK THE

  • CULTURAL WORLD, YOUR WORLD, TO SOME EXTENT THE DEMOCRATS,

  • CERTAINLY THE MEDIA, HAVE TO UPHOLD WHAT NOBILITY IS IN THIS

  • COUNTRY THROUGH THESE YEARS.

  • >> Stephen: AND WHAT IS THAT?

  • THEY HAVE TO REMIND PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING, A

  • SENSE OF NOBILITY ON THE PLANET AND A SENSE OF MORAL GOODNESS.

  • I THINK TRUMP IS LOWERING US TO A STANDARD.

  • IT'S SAID IN WAR YOU END UP IMITATING YOUR ENEMY IN WAR.

  • YOU BECOME AS BA BARBAROUS AS TH ARE.

  • THE CRITICISM IS IT'S GOING DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF TRUMP.

  • PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO TALK LIKE HIM.

  • >> Stephen: THAT'S A DANGEROUS PATH, I AGREE WITH YOU, AND I

  • CAN BE GUILTY OF THAT MYSELF -- ( LAUGHTER )

  • -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE LAUGHING AT -- BUT ULTIMATELY,

  • IN ALL YOUR CRITICISM OF THE MAN, YOU HAVE TO WISH THE BEST

  • FOR THE PRESIDENCY AND THAT, IN INSTANCE FOR THIS CASE, H HE

  • FINDS PEACE.

  • KEEP YOUR EYE ON WHAT THE PRIZE SHOULD BE AND CRITICIZE THE MAN

  • AS MUCH AS YOU WANT.

  • >> WE HAVE TO REMIND OURSELVES WE'RE AMERICANS.

  • >> Stephen: GOD BLESS AMERICA, CHRIS MATTHEWS.

  • >> THANK YOU.

  • >> Stephen: "HARDBALL WITH CHRIS MATTHEWS" AIRS WEEK NIGHTS

  • ON MSNBC.

  • CHRIS MATTHEWS, EVERYBODY.

  • WHEN WE COME BACK I'LL TELL YOU THE LATEST PROCLAMATIONS FROM A

  • BIG FURRY HAT.

FOLKS, WELCOME BACK.

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