That's not good enough is it?

Well it's appalling and of course, but everybody, and it's not just people in Westminster.

It's not just at national level, it's at local level

through the investment.

– It's the government and you're had nearly ten years.

Well, it's not the government though, is it?

Everyday just says it's the government as if it's sort of like bland blob

that you can just go and blame.

– So the government is not responsible for poverty?

Actually, well, it's not because it's all parts

of society and the structures.

Local authorities have a role to play; education, public services,

which are locally led and locally run.