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  • FORMER NSA HACKER DAVID KENNEDY TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF A

  • TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF A CYBERATTACK FROM TEHRAN.

  • CYBERATTACK FROM TEHRAN. >> Reporter: WHAT IS THE

  • >> Reporter: WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT AN ALL-OUT CYBER

  • LIKELIHOOD THAT AN ALL-OUT CYBER WAR COULD OCCUR BETWEEN IRAN AND

  • WAR COULD OCCUR BETWEEN IRAN AND THE UNITED STATES?

  • THE UNITED STATES? >> YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALREADY

  • >> YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALREADY SOME THAT WILL SAY WE'RE ALREADY

  • SOME THAT WILL SAY WE'RE ALREADY IN A CYBER WAR WITH IRAN.

  • IN A CYBER WAR WITH IRAN. IRAN IS A VERY OVERT, AGGRESSIVE

  • IRAN IS A VERY OVERT, AGGRESSIVE TYPE OF REGIME WHERE THEY USE

  • TYPE OF REGIME WHERE THEY USE CYBER CAPABILITIES TO BENEFIT

  • CYBER CAPABILITIES TO BENEFIT THEIR OWN REGIME, WHETHER IT IS

  • THEIR OWN REGIME, WHETHER IT IS MONETARY GAIN OR MILITARY

  • MONETARY GAIN OR MILITARY PREPAREDNESS.

  • PREPAREDNESS. IRAN SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON

  • IRAN SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THEIR CYBER CAPABILITIES.

  • THEIR CYBER CAPABILITIES. THEY'VE BEEN TRACED BACK TO THE

  • THEY'VE BEEN TRACED BACK TO THE SAUDI BREACH.

  • SAUDI BREACH. THEY'VE BEEN CAPABLE OF CAUSING

  • THEY'VE BEEN CAPABLE OF CAUSING A LOT OF DEVASTATION AND THINGS

  • A LOT OF DEVASTATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN HERE

  • LIKE THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN HERE ON THE HOME FRONT, WHETHER IT IS

  • ON THE HOME FRONT, WHETHER IT IS THE ELECTRIC GRID, WHETHER IT IS

  • THE ELECTRIC GRID, WHETHER IT IS OUR WATER TREATMENT FACILITIES,

  • OUR WATER TREATMENT FACILITIES, THINGS THAT ARE OCCURRING BACK

  • THINGS THAT ARE OCCURRING BACK IN 2011 TO 2013 IN OUR FINANCIAL

  • IN 2011 TO 2013 IN OUR FINANCIAL SECTOR, ALL OF THOSE ARE ON THE

  • SECTOR, ALL OF THOSE ARE ON THE TABLE FOR IRAN.

  • TABLE FOR IRAN. >> WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT A

  • >> WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT A RETALIATION ON IRAN'S PART,

  • RETALIATION ON IRAN'S PART, PEOPLE MIGHT THINK ABOUT

  • PEOPLE MIGHT THINK ABOUT BOMBINGS OR A PHYSICAL

  • BOMBINGS OR A PHYSICAL RETALIATION, BUT THERE IS ALSO

  • RETALIATION, BUT THERE IS ALSO THIS CYBER OPTION.

  • THIS CYBER OPTION. SO HOW WOULD A CYBER OPTION PLAY

  • SO HOW WOULD A CYBER OPTION PLAY OUT?

  • OUT? >> YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT

  • >> YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT MILITARY CAPABILITIES WITH THE

  • MILITARY CAPABILITIES WITH THE UNITED STATES, WE CREATED WHAT

  • UNITED STATES, WE CREATED WHAT WAS CALLED CYBER COMMAND WHICH

  • WAS CALLED CYBER COMMAND WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DIRECT

  • WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DIRECT KINETIC EXTENSION ON TOP OF WHAT

  • KINETIC EXTENSION ON TOP OF WHAT WE CAN DO FROM A MILITARY

  • WE CAN DO FROM A MILITARY BOOTS-ON-GROUND CAPABILITIES.

  • BOOTS-ON-GROUND CAPABILITIES. OTHER COUNTRIES INCLUDING IRAN

  • OTHER COUNTRIES INCLUDING IRAN HAS A VAST CYBER CAPABILITY THAT

  • HAS A VAST CYBER CAPABILITY THAT THEY USE DIRECTLY FOR MILITARY

  • THEY USE DIRECTLY FOR MILITARY OPERATION.

  • OPERATION. WHEN IRAN LOOKS AT THESE

  • WHEN IRAN LOOKS AT THESE CAPABILITIES THEY SAY HOW CAN WE

  • CAPABILITIES THEY SAY HOW CAN WE RETALIATE IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T

  • RETALIATE IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T TRIGGER A FULL-OUT SCALE WAR BUT

  • TRIGGER A FULL-OUT SCALE WAR BUT CAUSES DAMAGE IN THE UNITED

  • CAUSES DAMAGE IN THE UNITED STATES.

  • STATES. CAN THEY CAUSE A POWER OUTAGE IN

  • CAN THEY CAUSE A POWER OUTAGE IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS OR CITIES?

  • CERTAIN LOCATIONS OR CITIES? CAN THEY HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR

  • CAN THEY HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR FINANCIAL SECTOR WHERE WE CAN'T

  • FINANCIAL SECTOR WHERE WE CAN'T MAKE TRANSACTIONS.

  • MAKE TRANSACTIONS. >> Reporter: TYPICALLY WHEN WE

  • >> Reporter: TYPICALLY WHEN WE THINK ABOUT MILITARY

  • THINK ABOUT MILITARY CAPABILITIES, THE MEASUREMENT

  • CAPABILITIES, THE MEASUREMENT FOR THE STRENGTH OF THE MILITARY

  • FOR THE STRENGTH OF THE MILITARY CAPABILITIES IS THE PHYSICAL

  • CAPABILITIES IS THE PHYSICAL EQUIPMENT, HOW MUCH A COUNTRY

  • EQUIPMENT, HOW MUCH A COUNTRY SPENDS ON THE MILITARY BUDGET

  • SPENDS ON THE MILITARY BUDGET EVERY YEAR.

  • EVERY YEAR. HOW DO YOU ASSESS A COUNTRY'S

  • HOW DO YOU ASSESS A COUNTRY'S CYBER CAPABILITIES?

  • CYBER CAPABILITIES? >> I MEAN WE HAVE THE

  • >> I MEAN WE HAVE THE CAPABILITIES OF SHUTTING DOWN

  • CAPABILITIES OF SHUTTING DOWN ENTIRE COUNTRIES, SHUTTING DOWN

  • ENTIRE COUNTRIES, SHUTTING DOWN THEIR COMMUNICATIONS.

  • THEIR COMMUNICATIONS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IRAN

  • WHEN YOU LOOK AT IRAN SPECIFICALLY, THEY RECOGNIZE

  • SPECIFICALLY, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THEY CANNOT FIGHT US

  • THAT THEY CANNOT FIGHT US ONE-ON-ONE WHEN IT COMES TO A

  • ONE-ON-ONE WHEN IT COMES TO A MILITARY CAMPAIGN.

  • MILITARY CAMPAIGN. WE WILL WIN, SO IRAN HAS SPENT A

  • WE WILL WIN, SO IRAN HAS SPENT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY

  • SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY BEEFING UP THEIR ENTIRE CYBER

  • BEEFING UP THEIR ENTIRE CYBER WARFARE CAPABILITIES AND HAVE

  • WARFARE CAPABILITIES AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO INFLICT IT BACK

  • THE ABILITY TO INFLICT IT BACK ON THE UNITED STATES AS A WAY OF

  • ON THE UNITED STATES AS A WAY OF TRYING TO RETALIATE BACK WITHOUT

  • TRYING TO RETALIATE BACK WITHOUT A FULL-BLOWN WARFARE TYPE OF

  • A FULL-BLOWN WARFARE TYPE OF SITUATION.

  • SITUATION. >> Reporter: IS THE U.S. ABLE TO

  • >> Reporter: IS THE U.S. ABLE TO DEFLECT AND PREVENT AN IRANIAN

  • DEFLECT AND PREVENT AN IRANIAN CYBERATTACK?

  • CYBERATTACK? >> UNFORTUNATELY, THE WORLD THAT

  • >> UNFORTUNATELY, THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN TODAY WITH TECHNOLOGY

  • WE LIVE IN TODAY WITH TECHNOLOGY AND HOW WE DO BUSINESS, EVERY

  • AND HOW WE DO BUSINESS, EVERY COMPANY, EVERY MILITARY

  • COMPANY, EVERY MILITARY INSTALLATION, THEY'RE ALL HOOKED

  • INSTALLATION, THEY'RE ALL HOOKED UP TO THE INTERNET IN SOME WAY,

  • UP TO THE INTERNET IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

  • SHAPE OR FORM. IF YOU LOOK AT IRAN'S

  • IF YOU LOOK AT IRAN'S CAPABILITIES, WHILE THEY MAY NOT

  • CAPABILITIES, WHILE THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE SOPHISTICATION TO

  • HAVE THE SOPHISTICATION TO TARGET A LOT OF OUR CLASSIFIED

  • TARGET A LOT OF OUR CLASSIFIED SYSTEMS OR CORE INFRASTRUCTURE

  • SYSTEMS OR CORE INFRASTRUCTURE NETWORK FOR THE MILITARY, THEY

  • NETWORK FOR THE MILITARY, THEY HAVE THOSE CAPABILITIES TO

  • HAVE THOSE CAPABILITIES TO INFLICT DAMAGE UPON US HERE IN

  • INFLICT DAMAGE UPON US HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

  • THE UNITED STATES. WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD DETERRENT

  • WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD DETERRENT TO STOP THAT.

  • TO STOP THAT. COMPANIES REALLY NEED TO BE

  • COMPANIES REALLY NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY

  • CAUTIOUS RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TURMOIL WE ARE SEEING.

  • WITH THE TURMOIL WE ARE SEEING. WE DO EXPECT CYBERATTACKS TO

  • WE DO EXPECT CYBERATTACKS TO REALLY COME FORWARD.

  • REALLY COME FORWARD. COMPANIES NEED TO BE VIGILANT.

  • COMPANIES NEED TO BE VIGILANT. THEY NEED TO MONITOR THEIR

  • THEY NEED TO MONITOR THEIR SYSTEMS.

  • SYSTEMS. THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BOLSTER

  • THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BOLSTER THE SECURITY SYSTEMS AS MUCH AS

  • THE SECURITY SYSTEMS AS MUCH AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN DURING THESE

  • THEY POSSIBLY CAN DURING THESE HEIGHTENED PERIOD OF TIME

  • HEIGHTENED PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE THEY WILL SEE

  • BECAUSE THEY WILL SEE RETALIATION FROM THE IRANIAN

  • RETALIATION FROM THE IRANIAN REGIME.

  • REGIME. ONE THING TO NOTE IS

  • ONE THING TO NOTE IS CATASTROPHIC LOSS OF LIFE I

  • CATASTROPHIC LOSS OF LIFE I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO BE IN

  • DON'T THINK IS GOING TO BE IN THE PLANS FOR IRAN.

  • THE PLANS FOR IRAN. WHAT WE DO EXPECT THOUGH IS

  • WHAT WE DO EXPECT THOUGH IS THINGS THAT CAN CAUSE PAIN BACK

  • THINGS THAT CAN CAUSE PAIN BACK HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT

  • HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT CAUSE FEAR, FEAR IN THE UNITED

  • CAUSE FEAR, FEAR IN THE UNITED STATES TO CHANGE POLICY, OR

  • STATES TO CHANGE POLICY, OR MAYBE LIFT THE SANCTIONS OR TALK

  • MAYBE LIFT THE SANCTIONS OR TALK OF PEACE OR THINGS LIKE THAT TO

  • OF PEACE OR THINGS LIKE THAT TO OCCUR.

  • OCCUR. IT IS REALLY A BACK AND FORTH WE

  • IT IS REALLY A BACK AND FORTH WE ARE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW.

  • ARE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW. >> Reporter: IS THERE A WORLD IN

  • >> Reporter: IS THERE A WORLD IN WHICH A CYBERATTACK ON THE U.S.

  • WHICH A CYBERATTACK ON THE U.S. INVOLVES MORE COUNTRIES THAN

  • INVOLVES MORE COUNTRIES THAN JUST TWO?

  • JUST TWO? >> YOU HAVE THE UNITED STATES

  • >> YOU HAVE THE UNITED STATES HACKING CHINA, CHINA IS HACKING

  • HACKING CHINA, CHINA IS HACKING THE UNITED STATES, UNITED STATES

  • THE UNITED STATES, UNITED STATES THE HACKING RUSSIA, RUSSIA IS

  • THE HACKING RUSSIA, RUSSIA IS HACKING THE UNITED STATES.

  • HACKING THE UNITED STATES. EVERYBODY IS HACKING ONE

  • EVERYBODY IS HACKING ONE ANOTHER, BUT THERE ARE

  • ANOTHER, BUT THERE ARE DEFINITELY ALLIES IN THIS FIELD.

  • DEFINITELY ALLIES IN THIS FIELD. YOU LOOK AT GREAT BRITAIN, FOR

  • YOU LOOK AT GREAT BRITAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE UK WHAT WE HAVE

  • EXAMPLE, IN THE UK WHAT WE HAVE WITH THEM AND WHAT WE CALL

  • WITH THEM AND WHAT WE CALL OURFULLY OUR

  • OURFULLY OUR FLY BYES, YOU KNOW, IRAN IS

  • FLY BYES, YOU KNOW, IRAN IS SUPPORTED BY RUSSIA AS WELL AS

  • SUPPORTED BY RUSSIA AS WELL AS LOOSE TIES TO CHINA AS WELL.

  • LOOSE TIES TO CHINA AS WELL. CAN WE SEE OTHER PEOPLE HELPING

  • CAN WE SEE OTHER PEOPLE HELPING OR AUGMENTING THEM WITH

  • OR AUGMENTING THEM WITH ADDITIONAL CAPABILITIES, THAT'S

  • ADDITIONAL CAPABILITIES, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE.

  • SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE. >> Reporter: WHEN WE TALK ABOUT

  • >> Reporter: WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A STRIKE, THERE'S A CONFIRMATION

  • A STRIKE, THERE'S A CONFIRMATION ABOUT THE AUTHORIZATION THAT THE

  • ABOUT THE AUTHORIZATION THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAD TO

  • TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAD TO CONDUCT THAT STRIKE.

  • CONDUCT THAT STRIKE. WHAT ARE THE AUTHORIZATIONS THAT

  • WHAT ARE THE AUTHORIZATIONS THAT GOVERN CYBER SPACE?

  • GOVERN CYBER SPACE? >> THIS IS A LOOSELY DEFINED

  • >> THIS IS A LOOSELY DEFINED AREA OF WARFARE.

  • AREA OF WARFARE. WE IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE

  • WE IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE SPECK LAWS TO

  • SPECK LAWS TO SPECIFIC LAWS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW,

  • SPECIFIC LAWS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, BUT OTHER COUNTRIES DON'T HAVE

  • BUT OTHER COUNTRIES DON'T HAVE THE SAME RESTRICTIONS.

  • THE SAME RESTRICTIONS. YOU HAVE A LOT OF GROUPS WORKING

  • YOU HAVE A LOT OF GROUPS WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE IRANIAN REGIME,

  • ON BEHALF OF THE IRANIAN REGIME, WORKING FOR THE IRANIAN REGIME,

  • WORKING FOR THE IRANIAN REGIME, OR, YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF

  • OR, YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF RUSSIA, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT

  • RUSSIA, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND GROUPS TRYING

  • ORGANIZATIONS AND GROUPS TRYING TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHO IT IS

  • TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHO IT IS BECOMES CHALLENGING.

  • BECOMES CHALLENGING. SO THE FIELD IS REALLY DIFFICULT

  • SO THE FIELD IS REALLY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND ATTRIBUTION AND

  • TO UNDERSTAND ATTRIBUTION AND WHO IS ACTUALLY HACKING AS WELL

  • WHO IS ACTUALLY HACKING AS WELL AS WHAT THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT

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