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>> Harris: FORMER NATIONAL
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SECURITY ADVISOR JOHN BOLTON
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ANNOUNCING HE WILL TESTIFY IN
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PRESIDENT TRUMP'S UPCOMING
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SENATE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL IF HE
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RECEIVES A SUBPOENA.
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LAWMAKERS ARE RETURNING TO
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CAPITOL HILL WITH BOTH SIDES OF
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THE AISLE STILL DIVIDED ON THE
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RULES FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
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SENATE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL.
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SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
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CHAIRMAN LINDSEY GRAHAM SAYS "OF
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HOUSES BEAKER NANCY PELOSI DOES
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NOT HAND OVER THOSE ARTICLES OF
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IMPEACHMENT TO THE UPPER CHAMBER
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SOON, HE WILL FIND A WAY TO
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START THE SENATE TRIAL WITHOUT
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THEM."
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>> WHAT I WILL DO IF SHE
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CONTINUES TO REFUSE TO SEND THE
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ARTICLES AS REQUIRED BY THE
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CONSTITUTION, I WOULD WORK WITH
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SENATOR McCONNELL TO CHANGE
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THE RULES IN THE SENATE SO WE
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COULD START THE TRIAL WITHOUT
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HER IF NECESSARY.
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IF WE DON'T GET THE ARTICLES
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THIS WEEK, THEN WE NEED TO TAKE
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METALS INTO OUR OWN HANDS AND
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CHANGE THE RULES, SO WE CAN
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START THE TRIAL INVITE THE
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HOUSE SO THEY CAN PARTICIPATE.
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>> OKAY, KELLY, I WANT TO START
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WITH YOU.
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PREVIOUSLY, JOHN BOLTON SAID HE
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WAS UNDECIDED AS TO WHETHER HE
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WOULD TESTIFY OR NOT.
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THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS BACK IN THE
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HOUSE.
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THEY CHOSE NOT TO SUBPOENA HIM
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AS THEY SAID THEY WOULD WAIT FOR
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THE COURTS TO DECIDE.
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NOW HE IS SAYING HE WAS LOOKING
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FOR A FINAL JUDICIAL RESOLUTION.
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I HAVE CONCLUDED THAT IF THE
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SENATE ISSUE SUBPOENA FOR MY
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TESTIMONY, I AM PREPARED TO
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TESTIFY BECAUSE A FINAL JUDICIAL
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ROGER LUTHERAN APPEARS UNLIKELY
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BEFORE THE SENATE TRIAL.
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THE COURTS ARE WAITING TO DECIDE
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TO COMPEL HIM.
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NOW HE SAYS IF I GET A SUBPOENA
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I WILL GO.
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WHAT KIND OF RELEVANT
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INFORMATION DO YOU THINK HE HAS?
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>> Cully: NO IDEA, BUT I CAN
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TELL YOU ONE THING.
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JOHN BOLTON IS A REALLY SMART.
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CLARENCE THOMAS, WHEN HE GAVE A
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SPEECH AT MY ORGANIZATION YEARS
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AGO SAID THAT JOHN BOLTON WAS
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THE SMARTEST GUY IN LAW SCHOOL
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AND HAD THE HIGHEST GPA AT YALE
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LAW SCHOOL EVER.
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I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S TRUE
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TO THIS DAY, BUT HE IS A SAVVY
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CHARACTER.
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I THINK HE ALSO FEELS THAT IT IS
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PROBABLY HIS PATRIOTIC DUTY THAT
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IF THE SENATE SOUNDS I'M A
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SUBPOENA HE'S JUST GOING TO
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COMPLY WITH IT.
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WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO
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COME OUT OF JOHN BOLTON'S MOUTH,
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WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES HE
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WAS AT THE PRESIDENT SIDE.
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WE DO KNOW FROM PUBLISHED
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REPORTS THAT OVER TIME, HE
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STARTED LOSING THE PRESIDENTS
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HERE, ESPECIALLY NEAR THE END.
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SO, WHETHER HE WAS THERE FOR THE
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KEY UKRAINE STUFF, WE DON'T
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KNOW.
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>> Harris: KENNEDY, THAT IS IN
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FACT WHAT HE SAID IS THAT "I
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HAVE TRIED TO MEET MY
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OBLIGATIONS BOTH AS A CITIZEN
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AND AS A FORMAL NATIONAL
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SECURITY ADVISOR."
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THAT EIGHT IS HIS DUTY TO GO
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TESTIFY, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
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>> HE KNOWS HOW SMART HE IS,
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JOHN BOLTON HAS THE JOHN BOLTON
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WORLDVIEW, HE ALSO HAS A BOOK
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COMING OUT, NO MATTER WHAT
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HAPPENS, I DO THINK HE IS GOING
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TO TELL THE TRUTH, HE'S GOING TO
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LAY OUT THE CARDS AS HE SEES IT.
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HE WANTS TO SET HIS OWN RECORD
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STRAIGHT IN PRINTS AND VERBALLY
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IN FRONT OF THE SENATE DURING
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THIS TRIAL.
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SO, I THINK THE NEWS OF IRAN AND
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A POTENTIAL INVASION IN HIS
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BRAIN HAS GOT HIM SO EXCITED
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THAT HE NEEDS TO REINSERT
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HIMSELF AND ADD HIS TWO CENTS AT
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THIS CRITICAL STAGE.
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>> SO, JEANNIE, THIS IS A VERY
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INTERESTING CROSSROADS WHERE
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LINDSEY GRAHAM SAYS THAT MAYBE
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WE WILL TAKE THEM UP IF
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NANCY PELOSI DOESN'T TAKE THEM
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OVER AND DELIVER THEM.
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SHE IS BEEN SITTING ON THESE
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ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT, A LOT
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OF PEOPLE ARE HYPOTHESES SAYING
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THE REASON WHY SHE IS DOING THAT
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IS BECAUSE SHE'S TRYING TO
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NEGOTIATE WITH THE SENATE IN
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ORDER TO HAVE A TRIAL AND BRING
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THESE WITNESSES FORTH.
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BUT SHE WAS NOT WILLING TO WAIT
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ON THOSE WITNESSES IN THE HOUSE,
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AND SUBPOENAING THEM AS JOHN
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BOLTON SIDE, HE NEVER DID
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RECEIVE A SUBPOENA.
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SHE WASN'T WILLING TO WAIT ON
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THE COURTS THEY ARE, BUT NOW,
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SHE IS WAITING, AND TRYING TO
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FORCE THE SENATE TO DO WHAT SHE
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HERSELF DID NOT HAVE THE
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PATIENCE TO DO.
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HOW DOES THAT LOOK POLITICALLY?
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>> I THINK POLITICALLY IT LOOKS
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VERY BAD FOR THE DEMOCRATS.
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I REALLY HAVE ALWAYS HAD A
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PROBLEM WITH THE CALENDAR ON
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THIS.
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WHICH WAS A CALENDAR DRIVEN BY
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THE POLITICS, CLEARLY.
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I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE
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DEMOCRATS SHOULD HAVE WAITED TO
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HEAR FROM THE COURTS, OR, FOR
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BURTON TO CHANGE HIS MIND AND TO
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AGREE TO A SUBPOENA REGARDLESS
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OF WHAT THE COURTS ESSAY TO
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GET ALL THE INFORMATION THAT
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THEY HAD AND THEN, IF THEY ARE
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GOING TO PUT SOME THING
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TOGETHER --
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>> Harris: SO IS IT HELPFUL
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THAT BOLTS AND OTHERS ARE
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WILLING TO SPEED UP THE
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SITUATION FOR THE DEMOCRATS
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WESTERN MARK THEY ARE NOT DOING
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IT FOR THEM BUT --
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THIS BEFORE I THINK IT IS SUCH A
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SHAME THAT THESE ARTICLES HAVE
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NOW GONE OUT.
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ARE THEY GOING TO GO BACK
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DEPENDING ON WHAT BOLTON HAS TO
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SAY AND REWRITE AS ARTICLES OF
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IMPEACHMENT?
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I SUPPOSE THEY COULD.
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YOU ARE THE LEGAL EXPERT, HERE,
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BUT YOU KNOW, TO ME, THIS
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SCREAMS A POLITICAL MESS FOR THE
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DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE, AND I
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THINK THEY HAVE SHOT THEMSELVES
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IN THE FOOT ON THIS.
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>> Harris: CULLY CAN ASK YOU,
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DO YOU MIND IF I JUST ASKED BETA
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QUICK QUESTION.
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WHAT LEGALLY CAN SOMEONE LIKE A
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JOHN BOLTON DO ON THE STAND?
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IT'S NOT REALLY THE STAND, BUT
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IN THE HEARING, CAN HE PLEAD THE
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FIFTH, CAN HEEM HAVE ANY KIND OF
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EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE, CAN HE DOES
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NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS, WHAT HERS
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OPTIONS?
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>> Cully: REMEMBER, THIS IS
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NOT A CRIMINAL TRIAL.
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THIS IS A POLITICAL PROCESS,
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THAT IS WHAT IMPEACHMENT IS ALL
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ABOUT.
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THE CRIMINAL PROCEDURES AND
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RULES DO NOT APPLY.
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BUT EVERYONE STILL ENJOYS A FOR
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THE AMENDMENT RIGHT.
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NOT TO SAY SOMETHING AGAINST
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THEIR OWN INTEREST.
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SO HE COULD COME ON A QUESTION
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BY QUESTION BASIS, NOT ON A
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BLANKET BASIS, AND I SUSPECT, I
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WOULD HAVE TO THINK MORE ABOUT
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IT, HE COULD PROBABLY ASSERT
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EXECUTIVE -- IF THE PRESIDENT
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EXERTS EXECUTIVE POINT ROAD LODZ
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ON THAT QUESTION BY QUESTION
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BASIS HE MIGHT THEN BE ABLE TO
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TESTIFY ABOUT THESE THINGS BUT
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NOT TESTIFY ABOUT THESE THINGS.
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I THINK JOHN BOLTON USUALLY
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PLAYS TRANCE WHEN MOST PEOPLE