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  • . >>> THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE

  • >>> THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE HEADLINES YOU DON'T GET TO READ

  • HEADLINES YOU DON'T GET TO READ OFTEN.

  • OFTEN. RUDY GIULIANI BUTT DIALS NBC

  • RUDY GIULIANI BUTT DIALS NBC REPORTER HEARD DISCUSSING NEED

  • REPORTER HEARD DISCUSSING NEED FOR CASH AND TRASHING BIDENS.

  • FOR CASH AND TRASHING BIDENS. NBC NEWS INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

  • NBC NEWS INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER RICH SHAPIRO GOES TON TO

  • RICH SHAPIRO GOES TON TO DESCRIBE TWO VOICE MAILS FROM

  • DESCRIBE TWO VOICE MAILS FROM RUDY GIULIANI RECORDED WHEN

  • RUDY GIULIANI RECORDED WHEN GIULIANI ACCIDENTALLY BUTT

  • GIULIANI ACCIDENTALLY BUTT DIALED HIM N. ONE VOICEMAIL FROM

  • DIALED HIM N. ONE VOICEMAIL FROM LATE SEPTEMBER, GIULIANI IS

  • LATE SEPTEMBER, GIULIANI IS HEARD ATTACKING THE BIDENS

  • HEARD ATTACKING THE BIDENS BEFORE APPARENTLY TURNING TO

  • BEFORE APPARENTLY TURNING TO DONALD TRUMP'S CALL WITH THE

  • DONALD TRUMP'S CALL WITH THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT.

  • UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT. IN ANOTHER ROUGHLY TWO WEEKS

  • IN ANOTHER ROUGHLY TWO WEEKS LATER HE CAN BE HEARD DISCUSSING

  • LATER HE CAN BE HEARD DISCUSSING OVERSEAS BUSINESS DEALINGS AND

  • OVERSEAS BUSINESS DEALINGS AND HIS NEED FOR CASH.

  • HIS NEED FOR CASH. >> YOU KNOW, CHARLES WOULD HAVE

  • >> YOU KNOW, CHARLES WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME WITH A FRAUD CASE

  • A HARD TIME WITH A FRAUD CASE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO ANY DUE

  • BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO ANY DUE DILIGENCE.

  • DILIGENCE. TOMORROW I GOT TO GET YOU TO GET

  • TOMORROW I GOT TO GET YOU TO GET ON BAHRAIN.

  • ON BAHRAIN. IS ROBERT AROUND?

  • IS ROBERT AROUND? >> ROB?

  • >> ROB? HE'S IN TURKEY.

  • HE'S IN TURKEY. >> PROBLEM IS WE NEED SOME

  • >> PROBLEM IS WE NEED SOME MONEY.

  • MONEY. WE NEED A FEW HUNDRED THOUSANDS.

  • WE NEED A FEW HUNDRED THOUSANDS. >> IS VOICE MAILS JOIN NEW

  • >> IS VOICE MAILS JOIN NEW SCRUTINY AT A TIME HE'S UNDER

  • SCRUTINY AT A TIME HE'S UNDER FEDERAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION

  • FEDERAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AND ACCUSED OF RUNNING A SHADOW

  • AND ACCUSED OF RUNNING A SHADOW FOREIGN POLICY IN UKRAINE TO DIG

  • FOREIGN POLICY IN UKRAINE TO DIG UP DIRT ON TRUMP'S POLITICAL

  • UP DIRT ON TRUMP'S POLITICAL RIVAL.

  • RIVAL. GIULIANI IS NOW REPORTEDLY ON

  • GIULIANI IS NOW REPORTEDLY ON THE HUNT FOR A DEFENSE ATTORNEY

  • THE HUNT FOR A DEFENSE ATTORNEY AS FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ISSUE

  • AS FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ISSUE MULTIPLE SUBPOENAS IN THE CASE

  • MULTIPLE SUBPOENAS IN THE CASE AGAINST GIULIANI'S INDICTED

  • AGAINST GIULIANI'S INDICTED ASSOCIATES.

  • ASSOCIATES. POLITICO REPORTS THAT THE

  • POLITICO REPORTS THAT THE CRIMINAL DIVISION OF ATTORNEY

  • CRIMINAL DIVISION OF ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR'S JUSTICE

  • GENERAL BARR'S JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS BRINGING MORE

  • DEPARTMENT IS BRINGING MORE RESOURCES TO THE SDNY'S

  • RESOURCES TO THE SDNY'S INVESTIGATION INTO GIULIANI

  • INVESTIGATION INTO GIULIANI INDICATING THAT THE PROBE INTO

  • INDICATING THAT THE PROBE INTO THE PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL

  • THE PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL ATTORNEY IS BOTH BROADER AND

  • ATTORNEY IS BOTH BROADER AND MOVING AT A FASTER PACE THAN

  • MOVING AT A FASTER PACE THAN PREVIOUSLY UNDERSTOOD.

  • PREVIOUSLY UNDERSTOOD. JOINING US NOW IS FRANK

  • JOINING US NOW IS FRANK FIGLIUZZI, FORMER FBI ASSISTANT

  • FIGLIUZZI, FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR COUNTERINTELLIGENCE

  • DIRECTOR FOR COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AND MSNBC NATIONAL SECURITY

  • AND MSNBC NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST AND DANNY IS HE HAVE A

  • ANALYST AND DANNY IS HE HAVE A LOSS.

  • LOSS. BUT JUST FIRST, RUDY GIULIANI

  • BUT JUST FIRST, RUDY GIULIANI AND THE CALL, WHAT STOOD OUT TO

  • AND THE CALL, WHAT STOOD OUT TO YOU?

  • YOU? >> FIRST, MANY PEOPLE WOULD SAY

  • >> FIRST, MANY PEOPLE WOULD SAY RUDY'S BEEN TALKING OUT OF THAT

  • RUDY'S BEEN TALKING OUT OF THAT PART OF HIS ANATOMY FOR A WHILE,

  • PART OF HIS ANATOMY FOR A WHILE, BUT THE FIRST THING THAT STRUCK

  • BUT THE FIRST THING THAT STRUCK ME WAS THE NATIONAL SECURITY

  • ME WAS THE NATIONAL SECURITY IMPLICATIONS FOR THE PRESIDENT'S

  • IMPLICATIONS FOR THE PRESIDENT'S ATTORNEY AND A GLOBAL EMISSARY

  • ATTORNEY AND A GLOBAL EMISSARY NOT UNDERSTANDING PHONE

  • NOT UNDERSTANDING PHONE SECURITY.

  • SECURITY. HOW MANY PEOPLE RIGHT HAND THE

  • HOW MANY PEOPLE RIGHT HAND THE WORLD AND IN WHAT COUNTRIES HAVE

  • WORLD AND IN WHAT COUNTRIES HAVE RECEIVED UNSOLICITED VOICE MAILS

  • RECEIVED UNSOLICITED VOICE MAILS FROM THE PRESIDENT'S ATTORNEY?

  • FROM THE PRESIDENT'S ATTORNEY? WHAT COUNTRY LEADER OR COUNTRY

  • WHAT COUNTRY LEADER OR COUNTRY GENERAL COUNSEL OR ADMINISTRATOR

  • GENERAL COUNSEL OR ADMINISTRATOR HAS RECEIVED SUCH THINGS?

  • HAS RECEIVED SUCH THINGS? THERE'S BEEN CONSISTENT

  • THERE'S BEEN CONSISTENT REPORTING ON RUDY'S THIRD

  • REPORTING ON RUDY'S THIRD DIVORCE, A VERY ACRIMONIOUS

  • DIVORCE, A VERY ACRIMONIOUS DIVORCE PROCEEDING WHERE HIS

  • DIVORCE PROCEEDING WHERE HIS WIFE IS CLAIMING IN COURT

  • WIFE IS CLAIMING IN COURT FILINGS THAT HIS PRO BONO WORK

  • FILINGS THAT HIS PRO BONO WORK FOR THE PRESIDENT IS PART OF A

  • FOR THE PRESIDENT IS PART OF A SCHEME TO ALLOW HIM TO CLAIM

  • SCHEME TO ALLOW HIM TO CLAIM HE'S BROKE AND CAN'T AFFORD AL

  • HE'S BROKE AND CAN'T AFFORD AL MOANMY.

  • MOANMY. YET ON THIS RECORDING WE HEAR

  • YET ON THIS RECORDING WE HEAR HIM SAY THE PROBLEM IS, WE NEED

  • HIM SAY THE PROBLEM IS, WE NEED MORE MONEY, OR WE NEED SOME

  • MORE MONEY, OR WE NEED SOME MONEY.

  • MONEY. IS IT POSSIBLE HE'S GOT SOME

  • IS IT POSSIBLE HE'S GOT SOME LEGAL ISSUE WITH REGARD TO

  • LEGAL ISSUE WITH REGARD TO HIDING HIS INCOME BECAUSE OF A

  • HIDING HIS INCOME BECAUSE OF A DIVORCE PROCEEDING?

  • DIVORCE PROCEEDING? >> THAT'S INTERESTING.

  • >> THAT'S INTERESTING. THERE HAS BEEN A QUESTION OF

  • THERE HAS BEEN A QUESTION OF WHETHER RUDY GIULIANI IS REALLY

  • WHETHER RUDY GIULIANI IS REALLY WORKING FOR FREE FOR THE

  • WORKING FOR FREE FOR THE PRESIDENT OR IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS

  • PRESIDENT OR IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS PAYING HIM.

  • PAYING HIM. THIS CALL TALKED ABOUT MONEY.

  • THIS CALL TALKED ABOUT MONEY. I'M NOT SURE IT REVEALED MUCH

  • I'M NOT SURE IT REVEALED MUCH MORE THAN HIM TALKING ABOUT

  • MORE THAN HIM TALKING ABOUT MONEY AND SAYING WE NEED MONEY.

  • MONEY AND SAYING WE NEED MONEY. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE HE

  • THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT JOE BIDEN AND WHY

  • TALKS ABOUT JOE BIDEN AND WHY GIULIANI BELIEVES HE'S BEING

  • GIULIANI BELIEVES HE'S BEING TARGETED.

  • TARGETED. LET'S PLAY THAT SOUND BITE.

  • LET'S PLAY THAT SOUND BITE. >> I EXPECTED IT WOULD HAPPEN.

  • >> I EXPECTED IT WOULD HAPPEN. THE MINUTE YOU TOUCH ON ONE OF

  • THE MINUTE YOU TOUCH ON ONE OF THE PROTECTED PEOPLE, THEY GO

  • THE PROTECTED PEOPLE, THEY GO CRAZY.

  • CRAZY. THEY COME AFTER YOU.

  • THEY COME AFTER YOU. IT'S VERY POWERFUL.

  • IT'S VERY POWERFUL. >> THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON,

  • >> THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON, YEAH?

  • YEAH? >> THERE'S PLENTY MORE TO COME

  • >> THERE'S PLENTY MORE TO COME NOW.

  • NOW. >> THEY DON'T WANT TO

  • >> THEY DON'T WANT TO INVESTIGATE BECAUSE HE'S

  • INVESTIGATE BECAUSE HE'S PROTECTED.

  • PROTECTED. SO WE GOT TO FORCE THEM TO DO

  • SO WE GOT TO FORCE THEM TO DO IT.

  • IT. AND THE UKRAINE, THEY'RE

  • AND THE UKRAINE, THEY'RE INVESTIGATING IT AND BLOCKED IT

  • INVESTIGATING IT AND BLOCKED IT TWICE.

  • TWICE. SO WHAT THE PRESIDENT WAS.

  • SO WHAT THE PRESIDENT WAS. [ INAUDIBLE ]

  • [ INAUDIBLE ] YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T KEEP DOING

  • YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS.

  • THIS. YOU HAVE TO INVESTIGATE THIS.

  • YOU HAVE TO INVESTIGATE THIS. AND THEY SAY IT WILL AFFECT THE

  • AND THEY SAY IT WILL AFFECT THE 2020 ELECTION.

  • 2020 ELECTION. >> THEY SAY IT WILL AFFECT THE

  • >> THEY SAY IT WILL AFFECT THE 2020 ELECTION.

  • 2020 ELECTION. WE GOT TO GET THEM TO

  • WE GOT TO GET THEM TO INVESTIGATE IT.

  • INVESTIGATE IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK, DANNY?

  • WHAT DO YOU THINK, DANNY? >> IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE HE'S

  • >> IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE HE'S JUSTIFYING ALL OF HIS ARGUMENTS

  • JUSTIFYING ALL OF HIS ARGUMENTS OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS TO

  • OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS TO HIMSELF.

  • HIMSELF. LIKE HE'S LOOKING IN THE MIRROR

  • LIKE HE'S LOOKING IN THE MIRROR AND SAYING THIS IS WHY WE DID

  • AND SAYING THIS IS WHY WE DID THIS, RIGHT?

  • THIS, RIGHT? SOUNDS TO ME AS IF HE'S SAYING,

  • SOUNDS TO ME AS IF HE'S SAYING, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A STRETCH,

  • I DON'T THINK THIS IS A STRETCH, THAT THE PROTECTED PEOPLE WERE

  • THAT THE PROTECTED PEOPLE WERE THE BIDENS AND ALL WE WERE DOING

  • THE BIDENS AND ALL WE WERE DOING WAS ASKING THEM TO INVESTIGATE

  • WAS ASKING THEM TO INVESTIGATE PEOPLE WHO WERE BEING PROTECTED

  • PEOPLE WHO WERE BEING PROTECTED IMPROPERLY AND WE WERE LOOKING

  • IMPROPERLY AND WE WERE LOOKING INTO CORRUPTION ANYWAY.

  • INTO CORRUPTION ANYWAY. JUST SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF

  • JUST SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF SELF-JUSTIFICATION.

  • SELF-JUSTIFICATION. WHAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS REALLY

  • WHAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS REALLY BUILDING ON WHAT FRANK SAID, IF

  • BUILDING ON WHAT FRANK SAID, IF HE'S DOING THIS ACCIDENTALLY TO

  • HE'S DOING THIS ACCIDENTALLY TO REPORTERS, WHO ELSE IS HE DOING

  • REPORTERS, WHO ELSE IS HE DOING THIS TO, AND TO WHAT DEGREE

  • THIS TO, AND TO WHAT DEGREE COULD HE POSSIBLY BE ACTING AS

  • COULD HE POSSIBLY BE ACTING AS AN ATTORNEY IN ONE SENSE, AS A

  • AN ATTORNEY IN ONE SENSE, AS A DIPLOMAT IN HIS OWN MIND IN