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>>> WELCOME BACK AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE THE TOP STORY

THOUGHT WOULD BE THE TOP STORY OF THE DAY AND IN SOME WAYS IT

OF THE DAY AND IN SOME WAYS IT MAY HAVE HELPED DRIVE THE STOP

MAY HAVE HELPED DRIVE THE STOP STORY OF THE DAY.

STORY OF THE DAY. U.S. AMBASSADOR GORDON SONDLAND.

U.S. AMBASSADOR GORDON SONDLAND. DESPITE THE PRESIDENT URGING

DESPITE THE PRESIDENT URGING THEM, IN SOME WAYS BEGGING THEM

THEM, IN SOME WAYS BEGGING THEM NOT TO COOPERATE.

NOT TO COOPERATE. DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN PETER

DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN PETER WELCH IS ON THE INTELLIGENCE AND

WELCH IS ON THE INTELLIGENCE AND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES.

OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES. HE'S BEEN IN THE ROOM FOR MUCH

HE'S BEEN IN THE ROOM FOR MUCH OF SONDLAND'S TESTIMONY TODAY.

OF SONDLAND'S TESTIMONY TODAY. AND JUST FROM THE LETTER, FROM

AND JUST FROM THE LETTER, FROM THE OPENING STATEMENT THAT

THE OPENING STATEMENT THAT THE -- THAT WAS MADE PUBLIC,

THE -- THAT WAS MADE PUBLIC, CONGRESSMAN WELCH, I WANT TO PUT

CONGRESSMAN WELCH, I WANT TO PUT UP WHAT HE SAID ABOUT HIS --

UP WHAT HE SAID ABOUT HIS -- ABOUT THE PHONE CONVERSATION

ABOUT THE PHONE CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT.

WITH THE PRESIDENT. AND START OUR QUESTIONING FROM

I ASKED THE PRESIDENT WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM UKRAINE?

YOU WANT FROM UKRAINE? THE PRESIDENT RESPONDED NOTHING.

THE PRESIDENT RESPONDED NOTHING. THERE IS NO QUID PRO QUO.

THERE IS NO QUID PRO QUO. THE PRESIDENT REPEATED NO QUID

THE PRESIDENT REPEATED NO QUID PRO QUO MULTIPLE TIMES.

PRO QUO MULTIPLE TIMES. THIS WAS A VERY SHORT CALL AND I

THIS WAS A VERY SHORT CALL AND I RECALL THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS IN

RECALL THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS IN A BAD MOOD.

CONGRESSMAN WELCH, GORDON SONDLAND TODAY, DID HE PAINT A

SONDLAND TODAY, DID HE PAINT A PICTURE OF THE PRESIDENT CALLING

PICTURE OF THE PRESIDENT CALLING THE SHOTS HERE ON UKRAINE?

THE SHOTS HERE ON UKRAINE? OR OF RUDY GIULIANI CALLING THE

OR OF RUDY GIULIANI CALLING THE SHOTS HERE ON UKRAINE?

SHOTS HERE ON UKRAINE? >> WELL, AS YOU KNOW, HIS

>> WELL, AS YOU KNOW, HIS TESTIMONY IS CONTINUING BUT HIS

TESTIMONY IS CONTINUING BUT HIS OPENING STATEMENT WHICH IS

OPENING STATEMENT WHICH IS PUBLIC MADE IT VERY, VERY CLEAR

PUBLIC MADE IT VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT GIULIANI WAS IN CHARGE OF

THAT GIULIANI WAS IN CHARGE OF THE REAL UKRAINE POLICY.

THE REAL UKRAINE POLICY. IN SOME WAYS, SONDLAND WAS A

IN SOME WAYS, SONDLAND WAS A PERFECT PERSON TO BE THE

PERFECT PERSON TO BE THE AMBASSADOR BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY

AMBASSADOR BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY HE WAS A HUGE CONTRIBUTOR.

HE WAS A HUGE CONTRIBUTOR. HE GOT HIMSELF AN

AMBASSADORSHIP. HE KNEW VERY LITTLE ABOUT

HE KNEW VERY LITTLE ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY.

FOREIGN POLICY. SO HE ACTUALLY THOUGHT HE WAS

SO HE ACTUALLY THOUGHT HE WAS DOING THE PRESIDENT'S WORK ON

DOING THE PRESIDENT'S WORK ON UKRAINE AND IT WAS ONLY AFTER

UKRAINE AND IT WAS ONLY AFTER THE FACT WHEN HE READ ABOUT THE

THE FACT WHEN HE READ ABOUT THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE CALL AND HE

TRANSCRIPT OF THE CALL AND HE SAW SOME OF THOSE TEXTS THAT HE

SAW SOME OF THOSE TEXTS THAT HE REALIZED THAT WHAT REALLY RUDY

REALIZED THAT WHAT REALLY RUDY GIULIANI WAS DOING, WHO HE KNEW

GIULIANI WAS DOING, WHO HE KNEW WAS IN CHARGE, WAS NOT THE

WAS IN CHARGE, WAS NOT THE FOREIGN POLICY THAT HE THOUGHT

FOREIGN POLICY THAT HE THOUGHT HE WAS PURSUING WAS ABOUT.

HE WAS PURSUING WAS ABOUT. >> CONGRESSMAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE

>> CONGRESSMAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU THINK GORDON SONDLAND WAS

YOU THINK GORDON SONDLAND WAS DUPED BY THE PRESIDENT AND

YOU KNOW, HE MADE HUGE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE TRUMP

CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND THERE IS A HISTORY

CAMPAIGN AND THERE IS A HISTORY IN THIS COUNTRY, REPUBLICANS AND

IN THIS COUNTRY, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, OF PAYING OFF SOME

DEMOCRATS, OF PAYING OFF SOME CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS WITH AN

CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS WITH AN AMBASSADORSHIP.

INTENTIONS. I DON'T DOUBT THAT WHATSOEVER.

I DON'T DOUBT THAT WHATSOEVER. BUT HE, UNLIKE SOME OF THE

BUT HE, UNLIKE SOME OF THE OTHERS, KNEW HOW FOREIGN POLICY

OTHERS, KNEW HOW FOREIGN POLICY WAS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

WAS SUPPOSED TO WORK. SO THEY HAD A KIND OF SKEPTICISM

SO THEY HAD A KIND OF SKEPTICISM THAT HE WASN'T ABLE TO BRING TO

HE THOUGHT HE WAS DOING WHAT HE COULD TO ADVANCE AMERICA'S

INTEREST. BUT WHAT HE DID KNOW WAS THAT IT

BUT WHAT HE DID KNOW WAS THAT IT WAS GIULIANI WHO HAD TO CALL THE

WAS GIULIANI WHO HAD TO CALL THE FINAL SHOTS, NOT HIM.

FINAL SHOTS, NOT HIM. >> WHAT WE LEARNED FROM MICK

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