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  • THIS HATRED, OUR COUNTRY WILL

  • SUFFER.

  • >> Martha: JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

  • CHAIRMAN, SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM

  • WAS THERE THEN AND HE JOINS US

  • HERE NOW.

  • TONIGHT.

  • WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THAT,

  • SENATOR, IT SOUNDS QUITE

  • FAMILIAR IN THE REVERSE.

  • IT WHAT YOU MAKE OF

  • NANCY PELOSI'S MOVE HERE?

  • >> WHAT I WOULD ASK HER TO DO IS

  • ALLOW THE HOUSE TO VOTE ON

  • WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE

  • AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

  • ONE MONTH BEFORE THE 1998

  • ELECTION, WE HAD A VOTE IN THE

  • HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WERE 31

  • DEMOCRATS VOTED WITH ALL THE

  • REPUBLICANS TO OPEN AN INQUIRY

  • INTO THE IMPEACHMENT OF

  • PRESIDENT CLINTON.

  • HE WAS EVENTUALLY DENIED LAW

  • LICENSE FOR FIVE YEARS AND FINED

  • BY THE COURT BECAUSE OF

  • MISCONDUCT, BUT THE ONE THING I

  • DO BELIEVE AMERICA DESERVES THIS

  • FOR EVERY MEMBER OF THE HOUSE TO

  • AGREE TO VOTE AS TO WHETHER OR

  • NOT THEY AGREE THERE SHOULD BE

  • AN INQUIRY OF IMPEACHMENT BASED

  • ON THIS TRANSCRIPT.

  • >> Martha: OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE

  • GOING TO MAKE THIS KIND OF

  • CHARGE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF

  • THEY WERE WILLING --

  • >> IF I COULD JUST ADD THIS.

  • I DON'T THINK SHE HAS THE POWER

  • TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO OPEN AN

  • IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY BY HERSELF.

  • I THINK EVERY MEMBER OF THE

  • HOUSE SHOULD DO WHAT WE DID IN

  • 1998, VOTE.

  • I CAN TELL YOU JOE CUNNINGHAM,

  • WHO SEEMS LIKE A FINE FELLOW, IS

  • REPRESENTED IN THE CONGRESSIONAL

  • DISTRICT IN SOUTH CAROLINA, THE

  • CHARLESTON AREA ALONG THE COAST

  • AND I THINK YOU SHOULD BE

  • REQUIRED TO VOTE AS TO WHETHER

  • OR NOT HE BELIEVES THE PRESIDENT

  • HAS COMMITTED AN IMPEACHABLE

  • OFFENSE.

  • >> Martha: BUT IN TERMS OF

  • NANCY PELOSI, THE PRESIDENT SAID

  • THAT HE DOESN'T THINK SHE'S THE

  • SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE ANYMORE.

  • HE'S SUGGESTING THAT SHE'S NOT

  • IN POWER, THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE

  • THE ABILITY TO CONTROL HER

  • CAUCUS, THAT SHE'S BEEN OVERRUN

  • BY THIS MOMENTUM THIS EMOTION,

  • WHICH HE POINTED OUT BACK IN

  • 1998 WAS HAPPENING, ON SHE

  • BELIEVES THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

  • >> I THINK IT'S TRUE HERE THAT

  • THEY WANTED TO IMPEACH TRUMP THE

  • DAY HE GOT ELECTED.

  • THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE IN

  • THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHO HATE

  • HIS GUTS AND ARE JUST AFTER HIM

  • EVERY MINUTE, 24 HOURS A DAY,

  • BUT SHE IS KIND OF HOW THOSE

  • PEOPLE AT BAY.

  • HERE'S WHAT DISAPPOINTS ME SO

  • MUCH.

  • SHE'S TALKING ABOUT ARTICLES OF

  • IMPEACHMENT BASED ON A PHONE

  • CALL THE TRANSCRIPT WHICH HE HAD

  • NOT READ.

  • SHE HAD MADE UP HER MIND BECAUSE

  • SHE'S LOST CONTROL.

  • A WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT IS

  • HEARSAY HERE.

  • THE WHISTLE-BLOWER WAS NOT ON

  • THE PHONE CALL.

  • THEY HEARD ABOUT THE PHONE CALL

  • FROM SOMEBODY ELSE AND I WANT TO

  • KNOW WHO INFORMED THE

  • WHISTLE-BLOWER ABOUT THE PHONE

  • CALL, BUT THE FACT THAT

  • NANCY PELOSI WOULD ARGUE FOR

  • IMPEACHMENT BEFORE SHE READ THE

  • TRANSCRIPT TELLS ME THAT SHE HAS

  • LOST CONTROL.

  • >> Martha: IS INTERESTING,

  • BECAUSE YOU SAY THERE WERE 30

  • SOME DEMOCRATS --

  • >> 31.

  • >> Martha: 31 WHO VOTED WITH

  • REPUBLICANS FOR THAT IMPEACHMENT

  • MOVE, THE ARTICLES OF

  • IMPEACHMENT AND NOW SOME OF YOUR

  • COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING THAT THEY

  • BELIEVE THERE'S THAT NUMBER OF

  • REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE WHO

  • WOULD DO THE SAME THING NOW.

  • MITT ROMNEY SPOKE OUT ABOUT THAT

  • HE SAID IT REMAINS TROUBLING IN

  • THE EXTREME, IT'S DEEPLY

  • TROUBLING ABOUT THE TRANSCRIPTS,

  • HE TOLD REPORTERS ON WEDNESDAY

  • WHEN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT IT.

  • HERE'S MIKE MURPHY.

  • HE SAYS THAT IF THERE WERE A

  • SECRET VOTE, 30 G.O.P. SENATORS

  • WOULD VOTE TO IMPEACH.

  • WATCH THIS.

  • >> ONE REPUBLICAN SENATOR TOLD

  • ME IF IT WAS A SECRET VOTE, 30

  • REPUBLICAN SENATORS WOULD VOTE

  • TO IMPEACH TRUMP.

  • >> Martha: BEN SASSE ALSO

  • SPEAKING OUT JUST TO PUT THIS

  • TOGETHER.

  • REPUBLICANS OUGHT NOT TO BE

  • CIRCLING THE WAGONS TO SAY THERE

  • IS NO THERE THERE WHEN THERE'S

  • OFFICE THE LIFE THAT'S

  • TROUBLING.

  • YOUR THOUGHTS?

  • >> I LIKE THE SENATOR A LOT, BUT

  • HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY TO

  • ANYBODY.

  • THIS PHONE CALL WAS BILLED AS AN

  • ATTEMPT BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE

  • UNITED STATES TO SHAKE UKRAINE

  • DOWN, TO THREATEN TO WITHHOLD

  • MILITARY AID AND ASSISTANCE TO

  • THE UKRAINE UNLESS THE PRESIDENT

  • OF THE UKRAINE OPENED AN

  • INVESTIGATION AGAINST HIS

  • POLITICAL OPPONENT.

  • IF YOU READ THIS TRANSCRIPT,

  • THAT'S THE FURTHEST THING FROM

  • THE TRUTH.

  • THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

  • I READ THE PHONE CALL TRANSCRIP

  • TRANSCRIPT.

  • THE PRESIDENT OF THE

  • UNITED STATES CONGRATULATED THE

  • UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT ON HIS WON,

  • SAID WE'VE BEEN VERY GENEROUS TO

  • THE UKRAINE.

  • GERMANY AND OTHER PEOPLE OUGHT

  • TO PAY MORE.

  • THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE

  • WITHHOLDING AID AND HE DID SAY,

  • CORRUPTION IS A PROBLEM IN YOUR

  • COUNTRY.

  • THEY FIRED THIS PROSECUTOR, I

  • HEARD HE WAS A PRETTY GOOD JOB

  • AT ONE OF THE REASON HE FIRED

  • WAS BECAUSE JOE BIDEN CALLED FOR

  • THEM TO BE FIRED AND HIS SON WAS

  • SITTING ON THE BOARD OF A

  • COMPANY BEING INVESTIGATED BY

  • THE PROSECUTOR.

  • THAT TIMMY IS IS NOT A QUID PRO

  • QUO.

  • THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH

  • POINTING OUT A CONFLICT.

  • JOE BIDEN THREATENED TO CUT OFF

  • AID TO THE UKRAINE UNLESS THEY

  • FIRED A PROSECUTOR WHO WAS

  • LOOKING CASES INVOLVING A

  • COMPANY'S SON WAS RECEIVING

  • $50,000 A MONTH -- THE POINT I'M

  • TRYING TO MAKE HERE IS THERE IS

  • NO "THERE" THERE.

  • YOU CAN BE TROUBLED ALL OF YOU

  • WOULD LIKE BUT IF THIS IS AN

  • IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE, THIS PHONE

  • CALL, GOD HELP THE NEXT PERSON

  • TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE

  • UNITED STATES.

  • >> Martha: JUST TO BE

  • SPECIFIC, WITH THE PRESIDENT

  • SAID IN A CALL AS BIDEN STOPPED

  • THE PROSECUTION AND A LOT OF

  • PEOPLE WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT

  • THAT, SO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO

  • WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD

  • BE GREAT.

  • BIDEN WENT AROUND BRAGGING THAT

  • HE HAD STOPPED THE PROSECUTION,

  • SO IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT, IT

  • SOUNDS HORRIBLE TO ME.

  • THAT DOES NOT TROUBLE YOU?

  • GIVEN THE FACT THAT -- VERY

  • LIKELY RUN AGAINST JOE BIDEN IN

  • A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

  • >> IT TROUBLES ME THAT

  • JOE BIDEN, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF

  • THE UNITED STATES, THREATENED TO

  • CUT OFF AID TO THE UKRAINE

  • WITHOUT DISCLOSING A CONFLICT.

  • THERE WAS A LETTER SENT BY

  • DEMOCRATIC SENATORS IN MAY 2018

  • THREATENING THE UKRAINE TO CUT

  • OFF AID IF THEY DID NOT

  • INVESTIGATE TRUMP.

  • YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT MORE

  • ABOUT THIS CONFLICT.

  • A QUID PRO QUO IS IF YOU DO NOT

  • DO WHAT I WANT, I'M GOING TO

  • PUNISH YOU.

  • READ THIS TRANSCRIPT.

  • NO RATIONAL PERSON WOULD

  • CONCLUDE THAT THE PRESIDENT OF

  • THE UNITED STATES WAS

  • THREATENING TO CUT OFF AID TO

  • THE UKRAINE UNLESS THEY DID

  • SOMETHING AGAINST JOE BIDEN AND

  • HIS SON.

  • THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THERE

  • WAS A CONFLICT REGARDING THE

  • FIRING OF THE PROSECUTOR AND IF

  • IT HAD BEEN A REPUBLICAN WHO HAD

  • DONE THIS, IT WOULD BE FRONT

  • PAGE NEWS --

  • >> Martha: WHAT ARE YOU GOING

  • TO DO ABOUT THAT?

  • I KNOW RON JOHNSON -- ARE YOU

  • GOING TO OPEN AN INVESTIGATION

  • INTO JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON'S

  • INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS

  • ACTIVITIES?

  • >> I LIKE JOE BIDEN, HE'S A GOOD

  • FRIEND OF MINE, I REALLY

  • HONESTLY DO LIKE HIM, BUT

  • SOMEBODY HAS TO LOOK AT THIS

  • CONFLICT AND I WOULD LIKE

  • SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF POLITICS.

  • I DON'T WANT TO TURN THE SENATE

  • INTO THE CIRCUS WITH THE HOUSE

  • HAS BECOME.

  • REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TOLD THAT

  • TRUMP WAS COLLUDING WITH THE

  • RUSSIANS, SCHIFF HAD HIM DEAD TO

  • RIGHTS.

  • I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY WOULD TALK

  • ABOUT IMPEACHING THIS PRESIDENT

  • BASED ON THE TRANSCRIPT OF THIS

  • PHONE CALL.

  • THERE IS NO "THERE" THERE.

  • >> Martha: WHAT HE MEANT

  • SOMEONE ON THE OUTSIDE TO

  • INVESTIGATE?

  • YOU WANT AN INDEPENDENT

  • INVESTIGATOR?

  • INDEPENDENT PROSECUTOR?

  • WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT?

  • >> I WANT SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT

  • WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A

  • CONFLICT OF INTEREST INVOLVED IN

  • JOE BIDEN ASKING FOR THE UKRAINE

  • AND PROSECUTOR TO BE FIRED.

  • I WANT SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT

  • WHETHER OR NOT THE 1.5 BILLION

  • GIVEN TO THE HUNTER BIDEN

  • PRIVATE EQUITY ACCOUNT FROM

  • CHINA WAS ON THE UP AND UP.

  • >> Martha: I GOT YOU, I'M JUST

  • ASKING WHO YOU THINK THAT

  • SOMEBODY SHOULD BE.

  • YOUR COMMITTEE, FOR EXAMPLE,

  • SHOULD IT BE IN THE GOVERNMENT?

  • >> I DON'T WANT TO TURN MY

  • COMMITTEE INTO A ZOO LIKE THE

  • HOUSE.

  • I THINK THESE ARE SERIOUS

  • PROBLEMS -- I'M NOT ACCUSING

  • ANYBODY OF WRONGDOING.

  • I'M ACCUSING THE SYSTEM OF

  • LOSING ITS WAY HERE.

  • SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THESE

  • ALLEGATIONS.

  • TRUMP HAS BEEN LOOKED AT EVERY

  • WAY YOU CAN BE LOOKED AT.

  • HE'S BEEN LOOKED AT FOR YEARS BY

  • MUELLER.

  • SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE

  • CONFLICT OF INTEREST HERE AND AT

  • THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU

  • BELIEVE THIS IS AN IMPEACHABLE

  • OFFENSE OR TROUBLING, DO

  • SOMETHING ABOUT IT, TO MY HOUSE

  • COLLEAGUES.

  • YOU OWE IT TO AMERICAN PEOPLE TO

  • VOTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU

  • BELIEVE THIS IS AN IMPEACHABLE

  • OFFENSE.

THIS HATRED, OUR COUNTRY WILL

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