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00:00:03,070 --> 00:00:05,609 Oprah: IT'S BEEN NEARLY 30 YEARS
SINCE GARY ZUKAV...
[ CHEERING ]
...WROTE "THE SEAT OF THE SOUL."
NOW, THAT BOOK IS ALWAYS BY MY NIGHTSTAND.
IT IS THE BOOK THAT
PROFOUNDLY CHANGED
THE COURSE OF MY LIFE.
I CAN GIVE THE TEACHINGS,
THE MASTERY OF THAT BOOK,
CREDIT FOR CHANGING THE TRAJECTORY
OF MY ENTIRE LIFE.
"THE SEAT OF THE SOUL" CHANGED THE LANGUAGE
OF WHAT I WAS ABLE TO EXPRESS.
I MEAN, MY HEART, MY ENERGY FELT A CERTAIN WAY,
BUT I DIDN'T HAVE THE VOICE OR THE LANGUAGE
TO EXPRESS
MULTI-SENSORY PERCEPTION.
AND HE, GARY, WAS ABLE
TO ARTICULATE IN A VOICE
THAT RESONATED WITH ME.
I WAS READY FOR IT, SO ANYBODY WHO'S READ IT
AND FEELS LIKE, "AH, I DON'T GET IT,"
IT MEANS YOU'RE JUST NOT READY FOR IT.
AND I CONTINUE TO BE READY FOR IT.
AS I SAY, IT'S ON MY NIGHTSTAND.
AND EVERY TIME I READ IT, I GET SOMETHING NEW.
GARY IS THE VERY REASON,
ACTUALLY, THAT WE ARE ALL TOGETHER HERE TODAY.
BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER HAVE
DREAMED OF THIS DAY
HAD I NOT READ THAT BOOK.
I WOULD'VE NEVER HAD IT IN MY CONSCIOUSNESS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
IT'S 'CAUSE OF GARY THAT I ALSO
CHANGED THE COURSE OF MY SHOW,
WHERE I CHANGED THE INTENTION OF THE SHOW.
AND I WOULD BELIEVE IT WAS BECAUSE OF MY INTENTION
THAT THE "OPRAH" SHOW
BECAME WHAT IT BECAME IN THE WORLD --
TRULY A FORCE AND A VOICE FOR GOOD,
FOR ELEVATING CONSCIOUSNESS
AND FOR INSPIRATION FOR 25 YEARS.
THAT ALL CAME BECAUSE OF THE CHAPTER THAT I READ
ON INTENTION IN 1989.
AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE
IS A RESULT OF THAT CLARITY OF INTENTION.
THAT'S WHY IT'S MY FAVORITE WORD.
GARY ZUKAV! COME ON OUT.
GARY ZUKAV, ONE OF MY MASTER TEACHERS.
THIS IS YOUR SEAT.
WHOA. HEY, GARY.
ONE OF MY MASTER TEACHERS.
SO, HERE'S THE WAY IT WORKED.
LONG BEFORE I HAD A BOOK CLUB, I WOULD READ BOOKS
AND I WOULD GO TO THE BACK OF THE BOOK
AND THERE WOULD BE LIKE,
A LITTLE AUTHOR BIO IN THE BACK OF THE BOOK.
AND WHEN I FINISHED READING "SEAT OF THE SOUL,"
I LOOKED IN THE BACK OF THE BOOK
AND IT SAID GARY ZUKAV
LIVED IN MOUNT SHASTA, CALIFORNIA.
AND I NEVER HEARD OF IT, BUT BACK IN THE DAY, YOU KNOW,
WE HAD SOMETHING CALLED TELEPHONE BOOKS.
ANYBODY REMEMBER THOSE? TEL-E-PHONE BOOKS.
SO, I CALLED INFORMATION, AND I GOT HIS NUMBER
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AUTHORS WERE LISTED
IN THE TEL-E-PHONE BOOK.
AND I CALLED UP GARY, AND I SAID, "HELLO MR. ZUKAV,
THIS IS OPRAH WINFREY."
AND YOU SAID...
"WHO?"
[ LAUGHTER ]
AND THEN I SAID, "OPRAH." AND HE SAID...
"SPELL THAT."
IT'S 1989 -- I'D BEEN ON THREE YEARS ALREADY.
AND HE DIDN'T --
YOU DIDN'T HAVE A TELEVISION, RIGHT?
I HAD A TELEVISION FOR WATCHING MOVIES,
BUT IT WASN'T HOOKED UP TO ANYTHING ELSE.
WASN'T HOOKED UP TO ANYTHING ELSE --
WELL, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO HOOK IT UP.
IT WAS JUST A CHANNEL. YOU JUST TURNED IT ON.
REALLY. AND SO, I EXPLAINED WHO I WAS
AND THAT I HAD A TALK SHOW,
AND THAT I JUST FINISHED READING HIS BOOK
AND I HAD SOME QUESTIONS OF MY OWN.
AT THE TIME, I WASN'T CALLING
FOR HIM TO BE ON THE TALK SHOW
BECAUSE NOBODY WANTED TO HEAR ABOUT SOULS
AND THE LANGUAGE OF SOULS ON NATIONAL TELEVISION.
SO I WAITED A LONG TIME, ACTUALLY,
BEFORE I ACTUALLY COULD CONVINCE MY PRODUCERS
THAT WE COULD DO A SHOW TALKING ABOUT THE SOUL
AND GET PEOPLE TO WATCH.
SO, WE DID OUR FIRST INTERVIEW
MANY YEARS LATER ON CAMERA IN 1988.
AND THAT INTERVIEW WAS A SHIFT
IN THE WAY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
SAW AND FELT AND HEARD
WHAT IT MEANT TO HAVE A SOUL.
SO I JUST WANT TO RUN A LITTLE BIT OF THAT
RIGHT NOW.
HERE'S A SHORT LOOK
AT THAT FIRST INTERVIEW
WHERE GARY EXPLAINS WHAT THE SOUL IS.
WE THOUGHT WE HAD TO DO THIS,
BECAUSE PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A SOUL WAS.
-WHAT IS THE SOUL? -THE SOUL IS WHAT YOU ARE.
THE SOUL IS NOT A MYTHICAL ENTITY.
THE SOUL IS A POWERFUL, PURPOSEFUL...ESSENCE.
IT IS AT THE VERY CENTER OF WHO YOU ARE.
BUT DO NOT THINK THAT YOU ARE THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR SOUL.
A SOUL IS ENORMOUS.
YOUR SOUL EXISTED BEFORE YOU WERE BORN,
AND YOUR SOUL WILL EXIST AFTER YOU DIE.
YOU, THE OPRAH THAT I AM SPEAKING TO,
I, THE GARY THAT IS SPEAKING TO YOU,
ARE PERSONALITIES.
I HAVE A CERTAIN PSYCHOLOGICAL STRUCTURE.
I HAVE LESSONS TO LEARN IN MY LIFE.
I HAVE EMOTIONS. I HAVE INTUITION AND COGNITION.
I HAVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL DIE.
BUT MY SOUL WILL NOT, AND NEITHER WILL YOURS.
DOES MY SOUL KNOW ME?
YES, YES.
LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
EVERY FLEET OF SHIP THAT SAILS
HAS A MOTHER SHIP --
ONE SHIP THAT KNOWS
WHERE ALL OF THEM ARE GOING
AND SETS THE DIRECTION AND SETS THE DIRECTION FOR ALL OF THOSE SHIPS TO SAIL.
MM-HMM.
THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE MOTHER SHIP DETERMINES
WHAT HAPPENS ON EACH OF THE OTHER SHIPS IN THE FLEET.
LIFE ON ONE OF THE SHIPS MIGHT BE MOSTLY PLEASANT.
ON YET ANOTHER SHIP, IT MIGHT BE MOSTLY UNPLEASANT.
NOW, IMAGINE THE MOTHER SHIP
IS THE BIGGEST SHIP YOU CAN IMAGINE.
IT'S A CITY AFLOAT, MAGNIFICENT.
AND NOW, IMAGINE THAT THE REST OF THE BOATS,
THE SHIPS, ARE NOT REALLY SHIPS
BUT LITTLE BOATS.
MM-HMM.
THE MOTHER SHIP IS YOUR SOUL,
AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE LITTLE BOATS.
THE MOTHER SHIP KNOWS WHY... AH, THAT'S JUST --
THAT'S A VERY NICE ANALOGY, REALLY.
THE MOTHER SHIP KNOWS WHY YOU ARE IN THE WATER.
YOU MAY NOT KNOW ALL OF THE TIME.
THE MOTHER SHIP KNOWS WHY YOU ENCOUNTER STORMS.
YOUR JOB,
WHILE YOU HAVE THE AWESOME PRIVILEGE
OF BEING A LITTLE BOAT,
IS TO LEARN HOW TO SAIL IN THE SAME DIRECTION
AS YOUR MOTHER SHIP.
BECAUSE YOU CAN CHOOSE AND CREATE
ANYTHING YOU WANT.
YOU CAN SAIL IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION
IF YOU WANT.
THAT IS A SURE WAY TO FIND ROUGH WATER.
BUT AS YOU SAIL IN THE DIRECTION
THAT YOUR MOTHER SHIP WANTS TO SAIL,
YOUR LIFE FILLS WITH MEANING AND PURPOSE AND LOVE.
YOU ARE EXCITED ABOUT BEING ALIVE.
YOU ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE PEOPLE YOU ARE WITH
AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
'CAUSE YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE MOTHER SHIP.
THAT'S RIGHT.
SO, YOU CAN SEE ME GET IT, RIGHT?
I HOPE YOU GOT IT, TOO.
THAT MOTHER SHIP CONVERSATION --
ONE OF THE MOST PROFOUND CONVERSATIONS
AND LEARNINGS OF MY LIFE,
AND ALSO TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT
WITH SO MANY PEOPLE.
-HOW DID THAT... -YEAH, THAT WAS CREATED FOR YOU.
-WAS IT? -I HAD NEVER --
I DON'T REMEMBER EVER SPEAKING
IN TERMS OF THE SOUL AND A MOTHER SHIP
BEFORE YOU AND I WERE TALKING THAT MORNING.
BECAUSE I SAID, "WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY
TO BRING IT DOWN
SO THAT THE AUDIENCE WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SOUL IS."
AND YOU CAME UP WITH THIS ANALOGY OF THE SHIP.
SO, THANK YOU.
[ LAUGHS ] YOU'RE WELCOME.
WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR US TO FOLLOW THE MOTHER SHIP?
THAT'S THE THING.
I MEAN, AND THAT THING CLICKED FOR ME
IN SUCH A WAY THAT TO THIS MOMENT,
I STILL HONOR THAT PROCESS OF,
"WHERE IS THE MOTHER SHIP HEADED
AND WHERE IS MY LITTLE BOAT
IN PROPORTION TO THAT MOTHER SHIP?"
AND I HEARD SOME OF YOU GIVE A "AMEN" TO,
WHEN YOU'RE GOING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF THE SHIP,
THAT'S WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER THE ROUGHEST WATERS.
SO WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR US
NOT TO JUST STAY IN FLOW WITH THE MOTHER SHIP?
FEAR.
FEAR.
IF YOU IMAGINE THAT YOUR SOUL HAS MANY PERSONALITIES
AND YOU'RE ONE OF THEM,
AND YOU ARE...
...IN THE EARTH SCHOOL --
THE PERSONALITY. -MM-HMM.
THAT'S THE SPAN BETWEEN THE BIRTH OF YOUR PERSONALITY
AND THE DEATH OF YOUR PERSONALITY.
RIGHT, SO, THIS WHOLE UNIVERSAL EXPERIENCE
AS A DENSE BODY, AS A BODY,
A PERSONALITY WITHIN THE BODY,
IS AN EARTH SCHOOL,
IS HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
I LOOK AT IT AS THE ENTIRE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE...
WHICH PERSONALITIES --
WHICH USED TO BE JUST FIVE SENSORY --
THOUGHT EXTENDED TO INFINITY.
BUT WE'RE BECOMING MULTI-SENSORY.
AND NOW WE'RE BEGINNING TO SENSE
THAT THE ENTIRE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE
AND EVERYTHING THAT OCCURS TO US AND THAT WE EXPERIENCE
IS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
AND IT'S NOT THE ENTIRETY OF THE UNIVERSE.
AS WE BECOME MULTI-SENSORY, AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE,
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS,
WE BEGIN TO SENSE.
WE BEGIN TO EXPERIENCE
BEYOND THE LIMITATIONS OF THE FIVE SENSES.
WE BEGIN TO EXPERIENCE OURSELVES
AS MORE THAN MINDS AND BODIES.
RIGHT.
THAT'S YOUR SOUL, THE MORE.
WE BEGIN TO EXPERIENCE OUR LIVES
AS MORE THAN RANDOM AND GOOD LUCK OR BAD LUCK.
WE BEGIN TO EXPERIENCE THEM AS MEANINGFUL.
YEAH, AND YOU BEGIN TO SEE
THAT THERE IS NOTHING HAPPENING
OUT OF THE ORDER AND DESIGN OF YOUR OWN LIFE.
YES.
EVERY INTERACTION BETWEEN YOU AND ANYONE
OR OTHER PEOPLE IS PERFECT,
AND OFFERS EACH INDIVIDUAL INVOLVED
OPPORTUNITIES TO GROW SPIRITUALLY
THAT ARE PERFECT FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL GIVEN
THE WISDOM OF THE CHOICES THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS MADE.
YOU FOLLOW THAT?
OKAY, TRACKING?
SO, HE'S SAYING, EVEN IF YOU'RE IN AN ENCOUNTER
THAT FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE
OR THAT BRINGS ANGER OR DISRUPTION,
THAT ENCOUNTER HAS HAPPENED IN YOUR LIFE
IN ORDER TO GROW YOU
OR PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY
FOR YOU TO GROW TO WHATEVER IS THE NEXT LEVEL
OF YOUR PERSONAL EVOLUTION.
THERE IS NOTHING HAPPENING TO YOU
THAT ISN'T HAPPENING TO YOU TO GROW YOU TO THE NEXT LEVEL
OF YOUR EVOLUTION.
EVEN IF YOU'RE IN A TERRIBLE RELATIONSHIP
OR IN A JOB THAT YOU DON'T LIKE.
I SAY TO MY DAUGHTERS FROM SOUTH AFRICA ALL THE TIME,
DOING A JOB YOU DON'T LIKE
IS FANTASTIC INFORMATION FOR YOU,
BECAUSE KNOWING WHAT YOU DON'T WANT
HELPS LEAD YOU TO WHAT YOU DO WANT, CORRECT?
-LET'S LOOK AT THE WORD "YOU." -MM-HMM.
THERE IS A LITTLE --
THERE'S A "YOU" WITH A LITTLE "Y."
-YEP. -THAT'S YOUR PERSONALITY.
-CORRECT. -NOW, THERE'S A "YOU"
WITH A BIG "Y," WITH A CAPITAL "Y."
-YES. -THAT'S YOUR SOUL.
-RIGHT. -SO WHEN YOU SAY
IT'S ALWAYS LEADING YOU TO WHAT YOU WANT,
YOU HAVE TO CLARIFY BECAUSE OFTEN,
IT LEADS YOU TO THE THINGS
THE "YOU" WITH THE LITTLE "Y" DO NOT WANT.
OKAY, SO LITTLE "Y" AND BIG "Y."
THAT'S RIGHT.
SO WHY I'M BRINGING THIS OUT IS FEAR.
YEAH.
BECAUSE THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO YOU,
YOU CAN SAY ARE ALWAYS PERFECT,
AND IF THEY SEEM TERRIBLE OR IF THEY'RE DISRUPTIVE
OR IF THEY'RE DIFFICULTY,
THAT'S BECAUSE OF PARTS OF YOUR PERSONALITY...
-THAT ARE AFRAID. -CORRECT. THAT ORIGINATE IN FEAR.
AND THOSE PARTS WE EXPERIENCE, OR YOU EXPERIENCE,
AS ANGER, JEALOUSY, RESENTMENT, SUPERIORITY, ENTITLEMENT,
NEED TO PLEASE, INFERIORITY, EVERY OBSESSION,
EVERY COMPULSION, EVERY ADDICTION --
THESE ARE ALL EXPERIENCES OF FEAR.
AND WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER ONE OF THOSE
AND YOU SAY, "THIS IS TERRIBLE.
MY LITTLE DAUGHTER'S GOT CANCER. THIS IS TERRIBLE."
THAT IS A FRIGHTENED PART OF YOUR PERSONALITY.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF YOUR PERSONALITY
WHO WOULD LOOK AT THAT CIRCUMSTANCE
VERY DIFFERENTLY,
AND THESE ARE THE PARTS OF YOUR PERSONALITY... THAT ORIGINATE IN LOVE.
-YES.
AND WE EXPERIENCE THEM AS GRATITUDE.
SO, YOUR DAUGHTER HAS CANCER,
YOU HAVE CANCER, SOMEBODY IN YOUR FAMILY
HAS A TERRIBLE DISEASE OR DIAGNOSIS.
YOUR FEAR...
OF LOSING THEM,
YOUR FEAR OF ABANDONMENT,
YOUR FEAR THAT THEY WON'T BE HERE,
YOUR FEAR OF THAT
IS WHAT CAUSES ALL OF THE ANGST,
IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE EXPERIENCES OF A PART OF YOUR PERSONALITY
THAT ARE FRIGHTENED... -YEAH.
...IS EXPERIENCING ANGST OR TURBULENCE.
OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT --
RESENTMENT, VENGEANCE --
IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE UNCHANGEABLE GROUND
OF YOUR BEING. -RIGHT.
IT'S COMING FROM A PART OF YOUR PERSONALITY,
AND YOU DON'T NEED TO BE CONTROLLED BY IT.
CORRECT.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SPIRITUAL PRACTICE, HOWEVER,
AND DON'T KNOW THAT THERE
IS A PART OF YOUR BEING THAT IS SOLID,
THAT IS CONNECTED TO ALL BEINGS,
ALL THINGS,
AND GROUNDED FROM THE SOURCE OF ALL BEINGS AND ALL THINGS,
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT,
THEN YOU BECOME EVEN MORE FRIGHTENED, CORRECT?
YES, IT HELPS TO KNOW THAT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
AND IF -- IF --
HELPS TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A MOTHER SHIP,
AND THAT YOU ARE GROUNDED BY THE MOTHER SHIP.
SO, OUT OF -- AND THE MOTHER SHIP
IS NOT ALL OF THE BENEFICENCE OF THE UNIVERSE.
-NO, IT IS NOT. -THAT IS BOUNDLESS.
AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT,
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT GROUNDING,
YOU WILL EVENTUALLY.
BUT IT'S WHEN YOU RESIST...
LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY.
WHEN YOU'RE IN ANGER, JEALOUSY, RESENTMENT,
AND YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS
A PART OF YOUR PERSONALITY
AND THAT YOU CAN SHIFT YOUR ATTENTION
TO A PART THAT'S GRATEFUL OR APPRECIATIVE
OR IN AWE OF THE UNIVERSE OR PATIENCE,
THEN YOU'RE TRAPPED IN THAT LITTLE MINI-CLIMATE.
-RIGHT. -AND IT'S HELL.
IT'S VERY PAINFUL.
BUT WHEN YOU KNOW
THAT THAT EXPERIENCE IS PRESENTED TO YOU
IN THE EARTH SCHOOL FOR A REASON.
AND THAT REASON IS FOR YOU TO EXPERIENCE IT FULLY,
NOT TO DENY AN EMOTION, REPRESS IT EVER.
NOT TO RESIST IT.
BUT TO FEEL IT,
AND WHILE YOU'RE FEELING IT,
CHOOSE THE HEALTHIEST PART OF YOUR PERSONALITY THAT YOU CAN
TO RESPOND FROM.
-CHOOSE LOVE. -YES.
SO, OUT OF THE 36 SHOWS THAT WE TAPED WITH GARY,
THE ONE THAT STANDS OUT FOR MANY PEOPLE
AND THAT CONTINUES TO RESONATE WITH ME
WAS ABOUT HOW TO GET YOUR POWER BACK.
WE DID A SHOW ON HOW TO GET YOUR POWER BACK.
AND I HEARD THAT IT'S THE SHOW
THAT YOU ALSO GET ASKED ABOUT THE MOST.
WE MET A COUPLE, JODY AND IRA WERE THEIR NAMES,
WHO HAD RECENTLY LOST ONE OF THEIR TWIN SONS.
TWINS BORN, AND JUST FOUR DAYS
AFTER HE WAS BORN,
BABY RYAN DIED.
UNDERSTANDABLY,
THIS COUPLE WAS TRAPPED IN THEIR OWN GRIEF
AND COULDN'T SEE A WAY OUT
OR A LIFE BEYOND WHAT THEY HAD ENDURED.
ANYBODY WHO HAS EVER LOST A CHILD
OR CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER KNOWS,
PARTICULARLY IF IT'S A CHILD.
THEY WERE SUFFERING AND ALSO FEELING
THIS OVERWHELMING "LOSS OF CONTROL",
IS WHAT SHE HAD SAID TO US EARLIER IN THE SHOW.
HE DIED, AS I SAID, AFTER BEING ONLY FOUR-DAYS OLD.
SO, I WANT US TO JUST WATCH THIS CONVERSATION.
THIS WAS AN EYE-OPENING CONVERSATION
FOR MANY PEOPLE ABOUT THE SOUL.
TAKE A LOOK.
Zukav: THIS IS A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE --
THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PERSONALITY,
OR THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE SOUL.
FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE SOUL,
INTERACTIONS BETWEEN PERSONALITIES
ARE MEANINGFUL.
AND EVERY SOUL COMES INTO THE EARTH SCHOOL...
WHEN IT CHOOSES,
AND EVERY PERSONALITY OR SOUL
LEAVES THE EARTH SCHOOL
WHEN IT CHOOSES.
IF YOU LOOK AT RYAN
AS A PERSONALITY WHO LIVED FOR A FEW DAYS
AND THEN ENCOUNTERED TRAGIC CIRCUMSTANCES
AND DIED, THEN YOU ARE LOOKING
FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF A PERSONALITY.
IF YOU LOOK AT RYAN AS A SOUL,
LIKE YOURSELF,
LIKE IRA,
LIKE OPRAH, LIKE ME,
LIKE EVERYONE ON THIS EARTH,
THAT LEFT THIS EARTH WHEN IT CHOSE,
THEN YOU WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE GIFTS
THAT THIS SOUL OFFERED TO YOU
DURING ITS SHORT STAY ON THE EARTH.
YOU WILL REACH A PLACE IN YOUR LIFE
WHERE YOU ARE GRATEFUL THAT THIS SOUL CHOSE
TO BE WITH YOU FOR HOWEVER SHORT A TIME.
IF YOU DO NOT, YOU WILL LIVE YOUR LIFE
IN ANGUISH THINKING THAT A TRAGEDY HAS OCCURRED.
WHENEVER YOU SEE YOUR OTHER SON GROWING UP,
YOU WILL SAY, "RYAN SHOULD BE HERE."
WHEN HE GRADUATES FROM HIGH SCHOOL,
YOU'LL SAY, "RYAN SHOULD HAVE GRADUATED."
WHEN HE FINDS HIS WIFE, YOU WILL SAY,
"RYAN SHOULD BE GETTING MARRIED, TOO."
AND THROUGH ALL OF THIS TIME,
YOU WILL IMPOSING ON YOUR OTHER SON A BURDEN TO CARRY
BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES OR HOW SUCCESSFUL HE IS,
HE WILL BE CAUSING MOMMY PAIN.
IF YOU LOOK AT RYAN AS A SOUL,
A GREAT SOUL LIKE YOURSELF,
WHO VOLUNTARILY ENTERED THE EARTH SCHOOL
AND VOLUNTARILY LEFT IT
IN ORDER TO BE WITH YOU...
...AND TO OFFER GIFTS,
THEN YOU WILL BEGIN THE PROCESS
OF FATHOMING AND APPRECIATING
AND BECOMING GRATEFUL FOR THE POWER
OF THE INTERACTION THAT YOU HAD WITH THAT SOUL.
AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THE GIFTS
THAT THAT SOUL CAME TO THIS EARTH
TO GIVE YOU, TO GIVE IRA,
TO GIVE TO HIS SIBLINGS.
AND IF YOU DO NOT,
YOU WILL CONTINUALLY BE TURNING AWAY FROM THOSE GIFTS.
YOU WILL BE DENYING THE VERY WEALTH
OF WISDOM AND COMPASSION
THAT WAS OFFERED TO YOU BY THIS SOUL.
WELL, THAT MIGHT BE THE MOST POWERFUL THING
I EVER HEARD YOU SAY.
THAT'S PRETTY POWERFUL.
THAT WAS PRETTY POWERFUL.
THAT'S PRETTY POWERFUL, AND I...
DO YOU FEEL THAT HIS SOUL LIVES ON,
AND THAT SOMEHOW OR SOME WAY,
THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW,
CONTACT THAT SOUL
OR FEEL THAT SOUL...
-IN OUR LIVES? -YOU ARE FEELING IT RIGHT NOW.
EVERY ONE OF US FEELS THE SOUL OF RYAN
RIGHT NOW, AT THIS MOMENT.
EVERY ONE OF US FEELS THE SOUL OF RYAN,
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT GARY'S TALKING ABOUT
IN MULTI-SENSORY PERCEPTION.
IN THE BOOK ABOUT MULTI-SENSORY PERCEPTION --
IF YOU THINK IT'S ONLY WHAT YOU CAN SEE,
THEN YOU'RE MISSING THE WHOLE POINT.
'CAUSE EVERY ONE OF US SAW THAT STORY, HEARD THAT,
AND NOW FEEL THE PRESENCE OF YOUR SON
WHO WAS ONLY HERE FOR A SHORT FEW DAYS.
AND HIS OWN LITTLE LIFE, WEIGHING 1 1/2 POUNDS,
HAS IMPACTED THROUGH THE TELLING
OF THAT STORY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
WE ALL FEEL IT. WHY DO YOU THINK --
WE'RE ALL FEELING THAT RIGHT NOW.
ARE WE NOT, GARY?
Zukav: WE ARE.
I AM. -WELL, THAT'S NICE TO KNOW.
AND YES --
THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS "YES."
-[ APPLAUSE ] -NOW...
...WHAT'S AMAZING ABOUT THAT...
...THAT SHOW WAS IN 2000,
AND HERE WE ARE, 17 YEARS LATER,
EVERYBODY WHO JUST SAW THAT TAPE AND FELT WHAT YOU FELT.
THAT WAS THE SOUL --
ANOTHER NAME, SPIRIT --
OF BABY RYAN, WHO ONLY LIVED FOUR DAYS.
AND LOOK AT THE IMPACT
THAT FOUR DAYS OF LIFE ON EARTH HAS HAD
ON EVERY ONE OF US.
SO, HOW DID YOU COME TO SEE LIFE AND DEATH IN A WAY
THAT YOU EXPLAINED TO RYAN'S PARENTS?
BY OPENING MYSELF.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ARTICULATE IT EITHER,
UNTIL I WAS...
TILL I ENCOUNTERED SOME OF THESE THINGS
AND WAS TAUGHT THEM SO THAT I COULD SHARE THEM.
I HAD A GRANDMOTHER WHO PASSED ON
WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE,
AND BEFORE THAT,
SHE WOULD TAKE ME THROUGH THIS LARGE BUILDING
WHERE PEOPLE HER AGE WERE RETIRING,
AND IT WAS A SEA OF GRAY HAIR.
SHE'D TAKE ME TO THE RESTAURANT,
AND AFTERWARDS, WE'D WALK THROUGH
AND SHE'D INTRODUCE ME TO THIS PERSON AND THAT PERSON.
SHE'D SAY, "YOU REMEMBER MR..." AND, "YOU REMEMBER MRS..."
AND IF I DIDN'T OR I DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE IT,
SHE'D JERK DOWN ON MY HAND, AND SHE'D SAY, "SHH!"
SO, WHEN SHE PASSED ON,
I WAS HEARING HER EULOGY IN THE FUNERAL HOME,
AND THE RABBI WAS SPEAKING TO AN AUDIENCE LIKE THIS,
BUT TO HIS RIGHT WAS AN ALCOVE WHERE THE FAMILY WAS SITTING.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS,
AND I WAS WATCHING HIM FROM THE FRONT VIEW
ON A CLOSED-CIRCUIT TV.
AND THOSE DAYS, CLOSED-CIRCUIT TELEVISION WAS SO NOVEL,
IT WAS BRAND NEW,
THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY, AND I STARTED TO LAUGH.
AND GRANDMA LIBBY JERKED MY HAND DOWN
AND SHE SAID, "SHH!"
SHE DIDN'T WANT ME LAUGHING AT THE FUNERAL.
SO, HOW COULD I EVER MISS HER AFTER THAT?
SHE SCOLDED ME BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T --
SHE WANTED TO HEAR WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
SO, I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT AS MULITISENSORY PERCEPTION.
I JUST KNEW THAT'S GRANDMA LIBBY.
AND I DIDN'T TELL MY PARENTS FOR MAYBE 20 OR 25 YEARS,
BECAUSE I KNEW THEY WOULDN'T BELIEVE ME.
THEY'D THINK THAT I WAS DISTRAUGHT WITH GRIEF
OR IT WAS A WISHFUL FULFILLMENT,
BUT IT WAS REAL.
AND IT WAS ONLY MUCH LATER,
AFTER A LOT OF RESISTANCE IN MY LIFE,
A LOT OF TRYING TO AVOID THE PAIN IN MY LIFE
WHICH IS SYNONYMOUS WITH THE FEAR IN MY LIFE.
AND THE WAY I WAS DOING THAT IN MY EARLIER DAYS WAS --
THERE WERE A LOT OF THEM,
BUT THERE WERE SOME BASIC ONES --
I WAS A SEX ADDICT,
I LOVED RIDING MOTORCYCLES,
I ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THE MONTHLY MIRACLE OF THE RENT
SO I TRIED TO AVOID THAT.
AND THEN, I AVOIDED IT BY JOINING THE MILITARY,
WHERE I WAS IN THE ARMY.
AND THEN, I CAME OUT OF THE ARMY AND...
WEREN'T YOU A GREEN BERET, WEREN'T YOU?
I WAS A GREEN BERET. I WAS A GREEN BERET OFFICER
IN VIETNAM.
MM-HMM.
SO, ALL OF THESE WERE WAYS OF AVOIDING PAIN.
THEY ARE DESTRUCTIVE WAYS OF AVOIDING PAIN,
WHICH MEANS THEY WERE UNCONSCIOUS WAYS
OF AVOIDING PAIN.
IF SOMEONE HAD TOLD ME IN THOSE DAYS,
"GARY DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE DOING ALL OF THOSE THINGS
YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE YOUR FRIGHTENED?"
-AND YOU'RE RUNNING AWAY. -YEAH.
MM-HMM, FROM YOURSELF.
I NOT ONLY WOULD NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT,
I WOULD'VE EXPLODED.
BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY TELLS SOMETHING TO YOU
THAT A FRIGHTENED PART OF YOUR PERSONALITY
CONSIDERS TOO PAINFUL
OR SHAMEFUL TO LOOK AT,
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THE MESSENGER.
AND THAT IS THE MESSAGE,
THAT FEELING OF EMOTIONAL PUSHING AWAY,
OF RESENTMENT. -WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING
THAT HITS THE NERVE OF FEAR FOR YOU,
GENERALLY PEOPLE REACT WITH...ANGER.
ANGER, OR THEY WITHDRAW, OR THEY BECOME WEEPY.
MM-HMM.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU ASKED WHAT KEEPS PEOPLE FROM FOLLOWING THE MOTHER SHIP,
AND I SAID FEAR.
THIS IS HOW IT WORKS.
IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF THE FEAR IN YOU,
WHICH MEANS THE FRIGHTENED PARTS OF YOUR PERSONALITY,
WHICH MEANS IF YOU HAVE NOT DEVELOPED
AN EMOTIONAL AWARENESS
IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL SENSATIONS IN YOUR BODY,
IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE RESPONSIBLE CHOICES
WHICH MEANS CHOICES FOR WHICH YOU ARE WILLING
TO ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY,
YOU'RE ON AUTOMATIC.
YOU'RE JUST ROLLING.
IN FACT, THE BUDDHISTS CALL THAT A WHEEL --
THE WHEEL OF SAMSARA, OR SUFFERING.
AND YOU KEEP TURNING AROUND AND AROUND.
WHEN SOMEONE OFFENDS YOU, YOU GET ANGRY, YOU SHOUT,
YOU CREATE CONSEQUENCES FROM REACTING UNCONSCIOUSLY.
AND THEN, YOU ENCOUNTER OTHER EXPERIENCES
THAT GIVE YOU OTHER OPPORTUNITIES,
AND IF YOU REACT EACH TIME,
YOU CREATE NEGATIVE, PAINFUL EXPERIENCES UNTIL --
UNTIL YOU DEVELOP THE ABILITY TO BECOME AWARE
OF THESE FRIGHTENED PARTS OF YOUR PERSONALITY.
-THAT'S A WAKE-UP CALL. -AND THEY ARE PAINFUL.
THIS IS A PASSAGE THAT CAUSED,
FOR ME, A MILLION LIGHTBULBS TO TURN ON
AND REALLY CHANGED --
NOT JUST CHANGED THE COURSE OF MY LIFE,
IT CHANGED THE COURSE OF EVERY SHOW THAT I DID.
ON PAGE 23 --
THIS IS THE 25-YEAR ANNIVERSARY --
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL ON PAGE 23,
MAYBE IT IS.
ALL THOSE YEARS, IT WAS ON PAGE 23.
[ LAUGHTER ]
IN THE OLD BOOK, IT WAS ON PAGE 23.
OKAY, SO PAGE 23,
YOU SAY,
"EVERY ACTION, THOUGHT, AND FEELING
IS MOTIVATED BY AN INTENTION.
AND THAT INTENTION
IS A CAUSE
THAT EXISTS AS ONE
WITH AN EFFECT."
YOU GO ON TO SAY
THAT YOU CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE CAUSE
WITHOUT PARTICIPATING IN THE EFFECT.
THAT SENTENCE CHANGED MY LIFE.
I'M GONNA READ IT TO YOU AGAIN.
"EVERY ACTION..."
'CAUSE THIS IS THE THIRD LAW OF MOTION IN PHYSICS,
YOU ALL KNOW THAT, RIGHT, FROM PHYSICS?
EVERY ACTION HAS AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION.
SO, WHAT GARY INTRODUCED OR GAVE LANGUAGE TO, FOR ME,
IS THAT NOT ONLY IS THERE THE PHYSICAL LAW
OF EVERY ACTION CREATING ITS OWN REACTION --
THE THIRD LAW OF MOTION, PHYSICS.
IT'S JUST LIKE WHAT GOES UP IS GONNA COME DOWN.
WHAT GOES OUT
IS ALWAYS... GOING TO COME BACK.
WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT GOES UP, COMES DOWN,
BUT SOME PEOPLE THINK LIKE MAYBE IT WON'T COME BACK.
MAYBE I'LL DIE FIRST.
MAYBE I'LL DIE BEFORE IT COMES BACK.
-[ Chuckling ] AH! -OR MAYBE THEY'LL DIE FIRST.
-THAT DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE. -NO, IT DOESN'T WORK.
THAT'S NEVER WORKED, BUT NOW WE KNOW IT.
WHAT GOES OUT
IS ALWAYS COMING BACK.
AND EVERY ACTION, THOUGHT, AND FEELING
IS PRECEDED BY AN INTENTION.
AND THAT INTENTION IS ONE WITH THE EFFECT
OR THE OUTCOME,
SO YOU CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE CAUSE, OR THE DOING,
OR THE ACTION
WITHOUT PARTICIPATING IN THE EFFECT.
AND THE INTENTION IS GOING TO DETERMINE
WHAT THE EFFECT IS.
THAT CHANGED MY LIFE.
AND IT CHANGED MY LIFE IN SUCH A WAY --
I DON'T KNOW EVEN IF YOU KNOW THIS --
AFTER GETTING IT, REALLY GETTING IT --
I USED TO HAVE THE NEED TO PLEASE
AND I'D DO EVERYTHING EVERYBODY ELSE WANTED ME TO DO,
SO IT CHANGED ME, PERSONALLY.
I STOPPED DOING THINGS THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO DO.
I LEARNED THAT THE REASON WHY EVERYBODY KEPT ASKING ME
IS BECAUSE MY INTENTION WAS TO PLEASE THEM
AND TO MAKE THEM THINK I WAS NICE.
AND THEY THOUGHT I WAS SO NICE
THAT THEY ALWAYS CAME BACK AND ASKED ME AGAIN.
[ LAUGHTER ]
I'D SAY, "I JUST GAVE YOU MONEY. WHAT IS THE DEAL?"
HE'S LIKE, "'CAUSE YOU'RE SO NICE,
I CAN ASK YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN."
SO, IT CHANGED THAT FOR ME. BUT WHAT IT REALLY CHANGED WAS,
IT CHANGED THE WAY I OPERATED MY BUSINESS.
SO I HAD EVERY PRODUCER BEFORE PRESENTING,
'CAUSE I GOT THE FINAL VETO OR "YES" ON EVERY SHOW,
BUT BEFORE THEY WOULD BRING ME THE SHOW,
I WOULD SAY, "YOU BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT YOUR INTENTION IS,
AND I HAVE TO FIND WITHIN THE SHOW
A REALM OF TRUTH,
A THREAD OF TRUTH
THAT I CAN SIT IN EVERY DAY
SO THAT I DON'T HAVE FALSE MOMENTS."
SO, MY INTENTION HAS TO ALIGN WITH WHAT YOUR INTENTION IS.
I GOT TO FIND THE SPACE IN THERE
SO THAT I AM NOT DOING SOMETHING
THAT IS NOT TRUE TO MYSELF.
AND THAT IS WHY WE WERE NUMBER ONE FOR 25 YEARS,
'CAUSE WE INTENTIONALLY,
EVERY DAY...
WE HAD AN INTENTION FOR EVERY SINGLE --
AND SOMETIMES, I COULD TELL
THE PRODUCERS WERE JUST MAKING IT UP.
THEY'D SAY, "BRAD PITT.
IT'S BRAD PITT, WHAT DO YOU WANT?
IT'S BRAD PITT."
W-W-WHAT DO YOU WANT? SO, EXPLAIN --
WHAT I REALIZE IS, THAT EVEN UNTIL THE FINAL SHOWS,
PEOPLE WERE LIKE, "I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR."
WHAT, IS INTENTION SAYING THE SAME AS MOTIVATION?
IS INTENTION WHAT YOU REALLY WANT?
EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEANT BY "INTENTION."
YES AND YES, AND I WANT TO EXPLAIN INTENTION
A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY.
IT IS A MOTIVATION.
IT'S THE REASON FOR DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
-YEAH. -IT IS AN ENERGY
THAT INFUSES THE DEED
-OR THE WORD NOW. -THAT'S GOOD.
"IT'S THE ENERGY THAT INFUSES THE DEED OR THE WORD."
-AND -- -IT'S THE THING --
IT'S THE REAL REASON WHY YOU CAME HERE TODAY.
-PRECISELY! -IT'S THE REAL REASON.
THE REAL REASON, AND IF YOU GO DOWN,
DRILL DOWN DEEP INTO YOUR INTENTION,
YOU'LL GET TO A BEDROCK BOTTOM PLACE
WHERE THERE'S ONLY TWO INTENTIONS --
LOVE AND FEAR.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE,
SOMEONE COULD WANT TO BE ON "THE OPRAH WINFREY SHOW"
OR ANYTHING YOU'RE DOING. -YEAH.
BECAUSE THEY WANT EXPOSURE.
BECAUSE THEY WANT MONEY. -YEAH.
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEMSELVES.
THEY WANT TO PROMOTE SOMETHING OR...YEAH.
EXACTLY. OR THEY WANT THEIR MOM
TO BE PROUD OF THEM, OR SOMETHING.
ALL OF THOSE ARE INTENTIONS OF FEAR.
OR, THEY COULD BE ON "THE OPRAH WINFREY SHOW"
OR SPEAKING TO SOMEBODY ON THE STREET,
AND THE INTENTION CAN BE LOVE.
THE INTENTION CAN BE TO CONTRIBUTE.
THE INTENTION CAN BE TO SEE WHAT YOU CAN GIVE TO LIFE --
IN OTHER WORDS, TO GIVE THE GIFTS
THAT YOU WERE BORN TO GIVE.
AND THEN, LET YOUR INTUITION SHOW YOU
HOW THAT PLAYS OUT IN AN INTERACTION
WITH SOMEONE YOU DON'T KNOW OR SOMEONE YOU JUST MET.
SO THESE ARE THE TWO INTENTIONS.
FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I JOINED THE MILITARY,
I JOINED IT BECAUSE I FELT SO INSECURE
AND INADEQUATE ABOUT MYSELF.
I NEEDED JUMP BOOTS,
I NEEDED A COMBAT INFANTRY BADGE,
I NEEDED JUMP WINGS,
I NEEDED A BERET,
I NEEDED A MISSION AND A WEAPON.
MY WEAPONS HAD THE SERIAL NUMBERS TAKEN OFF
ON SOME OF OUR PATROLS.
MY MISSIONS WERE TOP-SECRET.
AND STILL, I DIDN'T CONSIDER MYSELF ADMIRABLE.
I WANTED OTHER PEOPLE TO CONSIDER ME ADMIRABLE.
-IN OTHER WORDS -- -BUT YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEN.
-I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEN. -YEAH.
I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T REALIZE.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LOT OF INTIMACY
IN A LOT OF SEX.
THERE'S NOT... IN A LOT OF SEX.
BECAUSE I USED TO THINK --
I ALWAYS KNEW THAT THE WOMEN I WAS WITH
DIDN'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING TO ME.
BUT WHAT REALLY SHOOK ME WAS WHEN I REALIZED
THAT I DIDN'T MEAN ANYMORE TO THEM
THAN THEY MEANT TO ME.
[ CROWD "OOH"s ]
YES, OOH.
[ LAUGHTER ]
IT'S JUST KINDA HARD TO PICTURE LAID-BACK GARY
AS A SEX ADDICT, I GOT TO TELL YOU.
[ LAUGHTER ]
I'M TRYING TO GET THAT PICTURE IN MY MIND.
-IF YOU THINK THAT'S... -I MEAN LIKE,
ARE YOU DOING SOUL-TALK
OR WHAT ARE YOU DOING AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW?
IF YOU THINK THAT'S HARD TO PICTURE,
IMAGINE HOW IT WOULD'VE BEEN FOR ME
TO TRY TO PICTURE WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
ANOTHER LIFE-CHANGING LESSON FOR ME, UM...
THIS IS THE ONE.
AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE VERY END OF THE SHOW.
WHEN THE PERSONALITY --
IF YOU DON'T GET ANYTHING ELSE, THIS IS IT --
WHEN THE PERSONALITY COMES TO --
WHICH IS REALLY WHAT THIS WHOLE BOOK IS ABOUT.
-YES. -WHEN THE PERSONALITY COMES
TO SERVE FULLY THE ENERGY OF ITS SOUL,
THAT IS AUTHENTIC POWER --
AUTHENTIC POWER.
SO WILL YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT IS
'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK AUTHENTIC POWER MEANS,
"I OWN THE ROOM. I'M AUTHENTIC WITH MYSELF.
I GOT THIS, GIRL," YOU KNOW?
-YEAH. YEAH. -THAT'S RIGHT.
ALL OF THAT IS EXTERNAL POWER. -THAT'S EXTERNAL POWER.
IT'S THE PURSUIT OF EXTERNAL POWER --
THAT IS THE ABILITY TO MANIPULATE AND CONTROL.
-YEAH. -AND WHEN YOU'RE EXPERIENCING
A FRIGHTENED PART OF YOUR PERSONALITY,
THAT IS WHAT THAT PART OF YOUR PERSONALITY IS DOING.
-MM-HMM. -IT'S PURSUING EXTERNAL POWER.
IT'S TRYING TO COVER A VERY DEEP PAIN --
THE PAIN OF POWERLESSNESS,
THE PAIN OF WANTING TO BELONG AND NOT BELONGING.
SO, LET'S TALK ABOUT EXTERNAL POWER.
I MEAN, WE LIVE IN A BOTOX WORLD
WHERE EVERYBODY'S JUST TRYING TO STAY EXACTLY
LIKE THEY WERE 20 YEARS AGO.
SO, EXTERNAL POWER --
BEAUTY, WHEN YOU USE YOUR BEAUTY,
YOUR LOOKS, YOU CAR, YOUR STUFF,
YOUR THINGS -- EXTERNAL POWER.
ALL OF THAT
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AS EXTERNAL,
Both: ALL OF THAT.
-AND MORE. -AND MORE, OR COURSE.
AND MORE.
LIEUTENANTS GOT MORE -- LIKE I WAS --
HAD MORE EXTERNAL POWER THAN A PRIVATE,
LIKE I WAS AT ONE TIME.
BUT A MAJOR HAS GOT MORE, AND A GENERAL'S GOT MORE.
WHEN YOU WALK INTO A BUILDING DOWNTOWN,
THE PEOPLE WITH THE LEAST EXTERNAL POWER
ARE IN THE BASEMENT, AND THEY'RE WEARING JEANS
AND NOBODY SEES THEM.
IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE EXTERNAL POWER,
YOU'RE WORKING ON A HIGHER FLOOR IN THE BUILDING
AND NOW YOU'RE WEARING A SUIT, MAYBE.
AND THEN IF YOU GO TO A HIGHER FLOOR,
YOU'RE WEARING A TAILORED SUIT. -RIGHT.
IF YOU GO TO ONE OF THE HIGHEST FLOORS,
YOU'VE GOT A BIG OFFICE,
AND YOU DON'T BUY YOUR SUITS,
NOT EVEN IN SAKS OR NEIMAN'S.
YOU HAVE IT MADE. -YEAH.
AND THEN IF YOU GO AS HIGH AS THAT BUILDING GOES,
YOU WEAR WHATEVER YOU WANT.
YOU CAN WEAR FLIP-FLOPS TO WORK.
YEAH.
AND THE ORIENTATION IS,
"I OWN THIS BUILDING."
AND THE ORIENTATION IS, "I OWN YOU."
THIS IS AN EXPERIENCE OF DEEP POWERLESSNESS.
WE THINK THAT THESE KINDS OF PEOPLE
HAVE THE MOST POWER.
THEY HAVE THE LEAST POWER. THEY ARE IN THE GRIP...
IT SURE DOES APPEAR LIKE THEY'VE GOT SOME POWER.
WHEN IT'S YOUR BOSS AND HE'S WRITING YOUR PAYCHECK,
I DON'T CARE WHAT HE'S WEARING,
STILL FEELS LIKE HE HAS THE POWER.
I'M NOT BACKING DOWN.
OKAY, GO AHEAD.
[ LAUGHTER ]
NO, I KNOW OPRAH.
SHE IS THE MOST WONDERFUL INTERVIEWER
BECAUSE SHE ASKS QUESTIONS ABOUT EXACTLY
WHAT NEEDS MOST ELUCIDATION. -YEAH.
SHE CAN SENSE IN AN AUDIENCE WHEN PEOPLE ARE SAYING,
[ Chuckling ] "NO. NO, NO, THAT'S NOT RIGHT,"
AND ASKS EXACTLY THAT QUESTION.
AND FEAR --
WHEN YOU'RE IN A FRIGHTENED PART OF YOUR PERSONALITY,
YOU'RE TRYING TO FILL A VACUUM, AND THERE'S NO END TO IT.
IF YOU WERE A SEX ADDICT LIKE I WAS,
THERE'S NO END TO SEX.
YOU COULD BE COMPLETELY SATISFIED,
AND 30 MINUTES LATER, THINKING ABOUT SEX.
YOU COULD HAVE $17 MILLION A YEAR
IN DISCRETIONARY INCOME,
OR $152 MILLION,
AND YOU'RE STILL THINKING ABOUT MORE.
THAT'S THE BOTTOMLESS PIT.
THAT IS POWERLESSNESS.
YOU ARE CONTROLLED BY THE FRIGHTENED PARTS
OF YOUR PERSONALITY. -MM-HMM.
AND AUTHENTIC POWER IS RECOGNIZING THEM.
IT'S NOT EASY TO SAY "NO" TO A GLASS OF SCOTCH
WHEN YOU'RE ADDICTED TO ALCOHOL.
IT'S NOT TO SAY "NO"
TO A WILLING PARTNER
WHEN YOU ARE A SEX ADDICT.
IT'S NOT EASY TO SAY "NO" TO THE IMPULSE IN YOU
THAT WANTS A BIGGER MOUNTAIN BIKE
OR THE BEST DREADLOCKS DOWN TO YOUR WAIST,
BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE PURSUIT OF EXTERNAL POWER
DOESN'T HAVE TO DO
WITH HOW MUCH OF ANYTHING MATERIAL
YOU HAVE OR YOU DON'T HAVE.
IT MANIFESTS ITSELF...
AS TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF --
AS TRYING TO ACQUIRE
THE ABILITY TO MANIPULATE AND CONTROL.
SO WHEN YOU'RE A GENERAL,
YOU'RE LIVING IN A WORLD YES-MEN,
EXCEPT FOR GENERALS.
WHEN YOU'RE A C.E.O.,
YOU'RE LIVING IN A WORLD OF YES-PEOPLE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS TO LIVE
AN AUTHENTICALLY-EMPOWERED LIFE.
IT MEANS YOU ARE LINED UP -- THIS IS HOW I SEE IT.
IT'S WHAT I SAID AT THE END OF "THE OPRAH SHOW"
EVERY SINGLE DAY, PARTICULARLY AFTER 1989
AND LINING UP WITH INTENTION.
EVERY SINGLE DAY,
I WAS LINED UP
IN EXACTLY THE FLOW OF MY LIFE,
WHICH IS WHAT I WANT FOR ALL OF YOU --
TO BE IN EXACT ALIGNMENT,
SERVING...
THE ENERGY OF YOUR SOULS.
SO, GARY SAYS,
"WHEN THE PERSONALITY COMES..."
TO FULLY SERVE THE ENERGY OF YOUR SOUL.