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good evening mr. ma it is a great honor
and pleasure for us all to have you here
I'm going to start with the conversation
with you questions at the midst of the
90s when you studied your first internet
ventures the word web was still at its
inception in its diapers with some few
tens of thousands of sites today it has
many hundreds of millions of sites what
did you see then that others didn't well
thank you thank you so much for anybody
it's a it's a good question um lemme I
seen this way I was so bad at schooling
I failed again again my University and a
high school test
I try to three years for entering
University and the final I got into the
postal University in my city which are
today I believe that is the best of
University in the world
Hangzhou Teachers College so I never
thought I would be a teacher I hate to
be a teacher in China a boy to be a
teacher people look dumped on you at
that time so for four years every day I
thought about is that what should I do
if I graduate I should not be a teacher
because when you had Teachers College
when you graduate you have to be a
teacher because the government pay the
money so when I graduate I I was
assigned to teach in a university
because our university was was supposed
to train middle school teachers 500
graduate students a 500 students
graduate only one of them can be
assigned to the University 499 went to
the unit when go to the middle school so
I was the only one chosen to teach in
the in the university my president he
saw me at the gate and he said Jack I
know you will leave but promise me in
five years teach
in that University don't leave don't
just stay there so I said okay president
I promise when I joined that university
I did not know my my pay was so bad I
less than $10 a month and because I
graduate from a very poor university the
other teachers they all from Jinghua
beta so I was looking down at Palm but I
promise to five years so for five years
I've been teaching teaching I worked
hard and and then I was elected to by
students the best teacher of the
university and then I said okay five
years up I kept my promise number 60 I
started love to be a teacher and then I
thought everything I've taught my
students are the things I learned from
books I should leave the school spend at
10 15 years get all the experience and
then go back to teach then I could be
the real a good teacher that was
thinking then I went to the United
States yeah so then I went to the United
States I found that the internet I just
want to find a job at that time I
looking for a lot of jobs all fill
people don't want I don't want me they
say no even looking for a job in a hotel
they say hey you're not good-looking
so I discovered the Internet in Seattle
1994 in uh in December I searched the
word beard I was not
it was so scared of the computer and my
friend said just to search whatever you
want to search at that time there's
colitis the the illness term Oh Zack you
know the Broads are very early days they
say you search anything so first a word
search beard there's no beer information
on the internet from China there's a
Japanese beer German beer US beer and
then I searched China say there's no
date about China so I thought about hmm
if I can put some Chinese information on
the web when people find out that might
be a good opportunity so I do not know
internet would be that big just one
looking for a job that was the original
thinking I want to leave the school
build up something and when I find an
internet I think if I can put Chinese
company information on the Internet
let the other people that do it this
might be a good future so we thought
have a greater vision for the future at
the beginning just looking for a job and
I don't want to be a teacher that was
the thing honest answer because it's
well known that you've been an English
teacher so let me with your permission
allow me to teach you
Hebrew one word one word in Hebrew okay
it's not it's not very complicated in
Hebrew when we want to say it's a slang
word but we want to say something is
doing really great Oh super okay we say
sab bába sáí bába sáí bába sáí bába only
so one can say and especially you
Alibaba is
thank you let's do it let's do it
together yeah
Alibaba so thank you
after you led the largest IPO in history
a few years ago
you are quoted as saying to investors
that Alibaba would become the fifth
economic entity in the world
following us China Europe Japan what was
your vision to achieve that yeah because
I never thought we would be today I
never thought I would be today I think
for my you know when I leave university
I thought just to doing something and 10
20 years later I can go back to teach I
never know I never realized I can
achieve that much when we look back
today we have close to 70,000 excellent
young people in my company we have so
much data technology anchors 700 million
users I think all the things does not
belong to me there must be something
that somebody in the sky want Jack and
your people should do something
different that was the thinking in the
past ten years always but when our
company went IPO today were like a four
hundred billion dollars market cap this
does not belong to us and why we succeed
because we support young people
supported small medium-sized companies
we supported women and because of
supporting these people Vedas succeed so
we believe how can we last our success
we believe we should support more young
people we should support more SMEs we
should support more women if they are
successful we will be successful that
because I believe one thing when you
have a cup of two or three million
dollars that money you belong belong to
you we have twenty million dollars you
have a problems about money
depreciations you buy this stock of that
stock when you have more than one
hundred million dollars 1 billion
dollars that money does not belong to
it's the social responsibility if people
trust you asking you to manage the money
better sir so that was the thinking and
then we decided we say we should make a
economy that is big enough to eat with
that economy we can enable every young
people every small business every woman
globally they want to global by global
sell global deliver global pay and girl
boat travel with the technology we're
giving we can create a hundred million
jobs for the world today we create 33
million jobs for China we hope we hope
the fifth largest economy of the world
that digital economy can enable 100
million jobs for the world we can enable
2 billion population in the world they
can shop and buy everywhere and they can
we can create 10 million small business
they can be profitable through the
internet that was the vision I don't
know in my life can achieve that but
somebody will achieve it if we continue
to do it if we cannot reach in 10 years
why not 20 years why not 30 years people
should continue to do it and somebody
someday if somebody really reached that
would be very proud
shall I you for you thank you
there's tea by the way there's the team
you like is here on the table we are in
Israel the startup nation any Tel Aviv
ranked as the word 5th most innovative
city you have encountered Israeli
investors ok it's a short visit you've
left a lot of startup paste so you met
business people could you relate to the
Israeli business spirit or our position
in the global our position in the global
tech arena yeah do you have any plans of
a flag of Alibaba Intel in Israel in Tel
Aviv absolutely we we've been thinking
internally we discuss a lot about where
in this world
Alibaba should have our face labs that
that should have out people there
working together to reach because the
fifth largest economy does not belong to
us blood does not belong to Jack Ma and
it's a belongs to the the generation of
this this generation belong to the world
belong to all the young people believe
in the future belong to the people who
believe the technology can enable people
so one of the three countries we talk
about is Israel so we all talk about we
should come to Israel have a lab and
inviting the excellent smash the young
people in Israel join the force together
let's build up an economy that can
empower young people small business and
women so this is we think and that and
actually we have already invested the
five companies here and we only have 12
people here so this trip we brought
almost a 40 Alibaba senior management
e-40 heroes now the thieves we came
together we learned we experienced and
we feel it everybody is so excited in
the past two three days every night with
we debate with discuss with sure until
11:30 last night we 11:45 we think we
can do a lot of things here and I think
we'll continue to invest it here we were
joined together with joining the force
of the venture capitalist to encourage
more startups and we would love to hire
more people here together
buuuut the fifth largest economy it's
not the fifth largest economy does not
belong to Jack Ma that's not even belong
to China belongs to our generation
that's one thing that's let us take some
questions from the students let's start
with miss Faye Roos with Scala she's
from Israel student of Eastern Asian
Studies faculty of humanities Fairuz
please great very honored to be here and
to be the first person to ask question
as said I am a student of East Asian
Studies in Chinese and also business
management here in Tel Aviv University
so therefore I decided today to ask my
question both in Chinese and in English
good so it's an opportunity for me to
try my Chinese so I'll start with the
Chinese version new Jean Channing gave
me an Ching Ron's way of shiatsu the ie
geniusu Shama which is what is the most
valuable professional advice you can
give to young people today
I think everybody's made in a unique and
different so you you must have a unique
and different way a lot of people today
have a lot of complaints say I don't
have opportunity I complain a lot when I
was young and suddenly realized
complaint does not solve any problem
where the opportunity always in the
place where people complain there are so
many if there are so many opportunities
in the world in this world because there
are so many complaints if you can solve
the complaint one of the complaint
that's the opportunity so this is what
we we made I think young people if my
advice to be an entrepreneur don't be
scared of failure of setbacks and don't
give up there people there are a lot of
books written about Alibaba about me
which I'm scared of one day I was
reading on one day on a plane that's
many years ago in the newspaper I was
reading a guy introducing a guy very
great I finally think people are talking
about me no that's not me it was it was
a article about a great person and then
finally I find out they are talking
about me I'm not that great
that's not me right I want to say is
that if there is a book I want to write
it is only by about 1001 mistakes we
came today to down we made so many
mistakes people say you are lucky yes we
are very lucky were the only 19 years to
today's size but we cos there are so
many tough situations we made so many
mistakes that people cannot even imagine
probably 90 years just like Israel for
70 years your country grow from nothing
to today you have gone through so many
tough experience and that will make you
next student is Miss Cheng she's a
student from China studying here in Tel
Aviv University MA in archaeology by the
way a Chinese very good good evening mr.
Mun is a great honor to have you here
and you know Taobao means a lot for
Chinese overseas student especially in
Israel so my my question is if you could
magically meet anyone from the past who
would that be
thank you Peter
any / meat I'll be the person that
person imagined create me meet that
person yeah well a lot of people I want
to be in China if the person I want to
meet is tin shopping without him I would
not be there would be no Alibaba it's
the reformed China was so set back and
closed and then shot being said let's
open the door and I want I know he loves
smoke when he stops no smoke he I got a
sick and he passed away and I want to
smoke have a cigarette with him and
thank him and I want to thank a lot of
people that in the history that you know
these people made great things that made
us so I think the thing shopping I would
love to meet and also Albert Einstein
right and I also love to talk to the the
the famous of the Jewish the Carmack's
you know he in ferns to China and all
others I wanted to know more about these
a real thinking behind it yeah so I
think in the history can see a lot you
want I want to meet a lot of people but
today the good thing is by reading books
you talk but a lot of books I start to
suspect because the lot of books about
us which is not true
even if we are still surviving I mean so
talking to the people is a great
opportunity thank you
next student is miss Whitney Stewart she
is from the University of Pennsylvania
she's studying Tel Aviv University at
this study abroad program which they
come for a few months to study here one
semester so Whitney Whitney Stewart
please hi mr. ma thank you so much for
being here with us today it's an
incredible honor I would like to ask if
you hire based on a specific educational
background thank you
no absolutely not
because if we are high based on the
education background jack not can never
be except by ali baba
when we start the business we had 18
founders including me cementing of them
now most of them my students and most of
them well today people think these 18
people the this master people in China
we don't think we were smart honestly we
all graduate from the very poor schools
the only thing we did with that we are
very United we all believe the future we
are all optimistic and we learned
through mistakes we never give up
when Alibaba first I peel the 2007 in
Hong Kong we had like a close to 500
millionaires we made 500 millionaires
and I had a talk with sub people in the
room I say hey everybody now we are very
successful we are all millionaires do
you think we are smart than the others
people say no do you think we'll work
harder than the others no the early days
when we have because we had a strange
name Alibaba people say what a what a
company a lot of people think is a
company of telling lies we cannot even
hide people say if the people who is not
that much disabled we all hide them
because nobody want to join us and but
we gone through it so I asked those 500
millionaires there's one thing those
people who think they are smart
after half year they all gone they start
to fill up their own if you don't
believe our model they don't believe by
helping others by helping small business
you can make money because that 20 years
ago only by helping big companies you
can make money by helping small
companies you don't have chance so smart
people left us those people believe they
are accident
the headhunting company all come they
had hunt our people we are the people
nobody even come to help us
so we state we have no choice we don't
have any company to go but we believe
our future so after 10 years we survived
and today the same we don't believe
those people I think this is what I give
advice to students in cover or Chinua if
you graduate from famous University
please respect the people who graduate
from the poor schools those people like
us graduate from a poor universities
please respect yourself we have chosen
if we work together
of course we would love to have great
students from Talavera from Chinua poor
harvard but the most important is that
you find that people with the fighting
spirit learning sprit and this is we hi
people for not because you which is
school you're from even to now we said
we would rather not having students from
beta and Chinua because we believe they
achieve our university should go to the
small medium-sized companies not us
because we are helping small
medium-sized companies if we take all
the talents away because we have today
we have a lot of cash we can giving high
pay to get the best students from
university if the society is poor no
matter how strong you are your company
will be poor so this is what we believe
this should go to us they should go to
SMEs empower SMEs and then we help
together that's what we believe this
animosity a student of Industrial
Engineering please hi
I really appreciate the vision that you
have for the younger generation and
considering that I was wondering what do
you wish for your children my children I
wanted to be to be healthy to be happy
do things what they like do not don't
they don't have to sort of like do what
the father wants them to do they do
things what they want the only thing I
think of as the parents should giving
them health optimistic for the future no
matter what ever in your life you were
you were encounter all kinds of things
be optimistic and next is education if
she wants whatever education wants I
support her rest of it she goes on her
way so this is what I expected my kids
to have good health and happiness
zombie zombie jack of my second it's
tough cuz I know it's I'm not me I don't
want to my kids unless they want to
write I think I would tell them it's
very lonely you have to have a strong
will normally if you want to be leader
leadership leaders means the loneliness
leaders remains responsibility if you
response for one person you are yourself
if you aren't responsible eight million
people your Prime Minister of Israel
if you want to response for one point
four billion people your president is Xi
Jinping so if I responsibility not
everybody would love to do that and it's
okay but this is what I give my children
I wanted to be happy and healthy
mr. Elliott Ashkenazi from Belgium is a
student of listen to this international
program for conflict resolutions and
mediation studies mediation of Social
Sciences Shalom mr. ma so I try in order
to teach you a second word in Hebrew now
so my question is like this with all you
know the due respect I have for you you
have been rejected from Harvard ten
times and you've proven that you don't
necessarily need the grease from this
you know so-called famous University to
succeed in life so my question is do you
think that the entire educational system
should be updated thank you very much
absolutely the education system need to
be upgraded this is something that I
worry about and this is something that
is going all around the world telling
the government officers that my worried
people worry about high technology but
young people don't worry about it
I feel very few young people worry about
the future
only senior people worry about ah you
know one day when we Alibaba used to be
on PC and then settling will move to the
mobile phone a lot of people complain I
move have a too-small how can you do
shopping or such a mobile phone screen
and later we realize because we generate
our eyes as shots are getting old young
people never thought think is a small
they think is a big enough next 30 years
the artificial intelligence all the high
tech will we'll do a lot of will replace
a lot of jobs this is for sure when
human being design invented computers
human Bishan know that computer would be
much smarter Thank You Minh beings they
remember the calcula faster and they
never get upset they always keep on
doing things but don't worry about it
machine can never wing human beings
machine can do only things machine can
do better human being have hearts
machine doesn't only machine only have
so what worried me about is the way the
things the cat that all the things would
teach our kids today how to remember
more things calculator faster all these
things machine would do better next 30
what are the things we should teach our
kids that they will be different they
can do better they can do the things
machine cannot a Duke this is a discuss
with the president they all agree I
think we should teach our kids how to be
more innovative how to be more creative
and how to be more constructive human
sight is more important than that the
not I think the past 200 years human be
made a huge progress because for the
knowledge of driven based education I
think next century we shall focus more
on wisdom based how the human based so
this is I think next to 30 years please
pay special attention to the education
system reform that our kids will never
got discipline disappoint because of the
Machine take a lot of the job there are
a lot of jobs waiting for human beings
and next thing is I won't say that pay
attention to these you know companies
who have less than 13 price please pay
special attention to the young people
who below 30 years old because this is
the generation were born Internet they
will change the world so education is
the key
next student is ya den sheffy student of
accounting and business please
by the way we need a lot of a social
scientist in Alibaba because whoever so
many we are managing a economy over 700
million people that's so complicated 1%
of the bad guys we got seven million bad
guys and how to deal with it not you
know it's it's it's not only bad guys
some people have a strange behavior but
it so what Alibaba need does not only
engineers and the software programs we
need love suit psychologist the social
behavior Alex first Apollo you know this
is something that we have to manage him
so yeah but thank you for question mm
okay so my question is what was the most
valuable professional advice ever given
to you what was the most valuable
professional advice ever given to you
given to me given to you well the first
two three years for Alibaba was was a
we do not have a business model people
in China do not believe the Internet
people do not believe ecommerce what we
did the 18 people together it I got like
a 40 50 people we only have a vision we
don't know how to do it and then we got
an excellent person he worked more than
30 years in GE he gives me such act it's
about a system it's about a people
valley meshing and people training
that's the best and then year 2002 and
three four
I spent a lot of time training our
people with the valley vision and
professionalism and then we've got more
managers more leaders than most of the
other startups that we started to go
better it's not of a business model
later its
about create valleys for the others and
that that is very good advice for me and
we made Alibaba different even to today
we're still so much mission driven
Valley German and I believe we won the
last 102 years we were born 1999 last
century we had a one year we want to go
through 100 years this entry plus one
year 100 to cross three centuries so in
order to survive we have to be mission
driven value driven and people driven
today we do e-commerce tomorrow me not
the day of tomorrow we don't know well
we do but if we're a mission value
driven if we believe young people if we
want to supporting the other people to
be most successful
there is always business model there's
always money to make that's what we
next student is mr. Mauricio figueira
from Mexico for Mexico he studies laws
you still need lawyers
yeah we know we need a law but not
necessary lawyers ok studies master of
law at the Faculty of Law please yeah
thank you very much I would like to know
which is the first trade that you seek
in a job candidate whatever that what
the first quality you're seeking in a
job for a new candidate what I'm looking
for well so we do a lot we have a like a
two or three hundred lawyer I when I was
when Alibaba was in my apartment I never
thought a company need a lawyer I never
thought Alibaba in the future we have
like five more than three lawyers today
we've probably ever three hundred
lawyers well we need a lot of jobs
because today we are handling 700
million users very I think we are going
to handling 2 billion people there are
so many things that we have never seen
never in menu before there is a lot of
jobs like a data cloud computing ok I we
call Alibaba intelligence and there are
so many things the machine learning that
we don't know and I don't think today
there is expert of these things don't
tell me somebody is the expert of
e-commerce don't tell me somebody is the
expert of Internet I tell your story
1996 I was invited to join a meeting in
Beijing about Internet at that time
China was not even connect to the
internet yet so I went there there's
about 12 people in a room
they call themself Internet expert I say
what we've got an Internet expert so
there's a lot of worries oh the worried
they're so worried dad and they should
china should control internet this so
after 20 years I found all the things
they worried never come out all the
things they do not worry all come out
there is no there are a lot of experts
of yesterday there's no expert of future
the thing we do is we learn so that's
why you said what kind of job we need
what kind of candidates who are looking
for we're looking for every kinds of
jobs but the thing is that we hire you
not because you are qualified we hire
you because you will be qualified if you
learn together with us so this is what
Alibaba requests we high people they're
ready to learn they're ready to take
risk they're ready to fail and they're
ready to suffer and we believe maybe
15-20 years later there will be the
expert of their own field of the history
that's what we think
we're going to conclude the session so
let me ask you before we conclude a
personal question you being at the helm
of mega company it's always stressful we
know that you sing we know that you
dance we know that you're an expert and
movie star in martial arts that all we
know but what do we don't know that you
do only for yourself to relax to wind up
tell us something that we don't know of
course there are lot of things you don't
know that I everyone know ok
yeah you say I sing I sing very good in
my bathroom but when I see the public
always still I feel the three times in
the India in front of my colleagues the
first time affairs are 30,000 colleagues
in the big entourage I thought I can
sing well in my bathrooms I said to sing
their fill and I love to paint yeah I
love to pink but I'm I'm not traditional
painting I think if it because we can do
it that way why should I cannot do that
way but I paint it and I got criticized
by a lot of artists in China they say
you have destroy our out there there are
three Jack mozz I think the first two
is people's imagination you think he's
great he's bad I think Jack Ma is not a
great is that bad it's not smart it's a
normal the day when I told my seventeen
founders in my apartment say if Jack Ma
and his team can be successful 70 or 80
percent of young people in China can be
successful we're not smart we don't have
money we don't have technology we don't
have anything the only things that we
work together for future so we said if
we succeed 80% of young people in the
world they can be successful that was
who we are so people think Jack this is
the that your imagination that is not me
so when I look at people say Jack Ma
people criticize him I'm happy people
crazy That's not me people praise him as
you know that's not me
I know very well this is not me
the second is Jack Ma is the CEO
chairman of Alibaba that's a tough job
because all the easy good things my team
finished and tough job the things that
came to me normally not easy you have to
be you know you have to be a seal like
this is not me it's my job it's amazed
my personal
I'm a straight boy like any boys in a
poor family my I'm a very I came from a
very poor family poor education I love
to make friends I love to have a farm so
I want to be back to myself this is what
I I do anything a lot of things that any
boy want to do I want to do and I want
to enjoy a lot of lives but this is why
I want to retire early I can go back to
myself because this is not me this is my
job and they're real jack is something
that I always want to come out and every
year I want to see I want to do
something new
I would like to thank professor Franco
professor laughter mr. ma it was
inspiring and Frank I must tell you the
audience the mr. ma is shortly be
awarded a tel-aviv University honorary
doctorate so let's give him a round of
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