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  • - (boy) Hannah, I'm not going.

  • - 13 Reasons Why! Let's go.

  • - (boy) Hannah... - Ohhh.

  • This is gonna be a controversial episode.

  • - I can't tell you how much this show has affected my life.

  • - (boy) I'm not going. Not now.

  • Not ever.

  • - (Hannah) Why didn't you say this to me when I saw alive?

  • - It's so sad. I read the book a few years ago.

  • - (woman) My husband and I...

  • - Tsk, tsk, tsk. - (woman) We never got a note.

  • - I've seen this show.

  • I'm not a big fan.

  • - When I watched this trailer the first time,

  • I was so excited for the show.

  • And then I was super disappointed.

  • - (Hannah) Hey, it's Hannah.

  • Hannah Baker.

  • I'm about to tell you the story of my life.

  • - I watched this in, like, three days over spring break.

  • - (Hannah) More specifically, why my life ended.

  • And if you're listening to this tape...

  • you're one of the reasons why. - Ugh! It's so good.

  • - (Hannah) Maybe I'll never know...

  • - Oh, I-- freakin' Bryce.

  • Mm, Courtney, don't even go-- (nerved breath)

  • - (Hannah) Maybe I'll never know why you did what you did.

  • But I can make you understand how it felt.

  • - ♪ This is a wild game of survival

  • - It was a good trailer.

  • If I hadn't already seen the show, I'd be like,

  • "Man, I should watch that show."

  • - You know what bothers me though?

  • When people have an opinion on the show,

  • and they haven't watched every episode. I'm just like,

  • "You're being a Clay right now.

  • Just listen to the tapes, all right? Listen to the tapes."

  • - (baby voice) Did you get to first base, Justin?

  • - Get off me. I'm not saying anything.

  • - (Bryce) Second? - (Justin) [Bleep] off.

  • - (Bryce) Third?

  • - I hate Bryce.

  • - Oh. This is where it all started. Right here.

  • - (Bryce) Public space. (Justin chuckles)

  • That's hot.

  • - I hate this scene so much.

  • - (Bryce) Oh yeah, we're sending that shit around.

  • - (Justin) No. No, Bryce. - Such a jerk.

  • - Yes, Clay.

  • Yes, Hannah.

  • Go away, Justin. (giggles)

  • (phone alert)

  • - (girl) Oh my god. Seriously, Justin?

  • - (teacher) People, phones.

  • (phone vibrating) Otherwise they're going away.

  • - These can spread so fast.

  • - (teacher) Thank you.

  • - That's so objectifying. That's disgusting.

  • - (teacher) And, uh, Mr. Johansen.

  • - It's like the worst.

  • - I feel really bad for her.

  • - No one wants that kinda stuff to happen to them.

  • And it does happen to people, and it's really terrible.

  • - We were friends.

  • How could you betray me like that?

  • - This scene, man.

  • - This part I thought was kinda-- kinda stupid.

  • - I hate this. I hate this.

  • - (Hannah) Jess, come on. You know this doesn't mean anything.

  • - (Jessica) Don't act innocent. - (Hannah) But I AM innocent.

  • I had nothing to do with this.

  • Alex did this on his own.

  • - (Jessica) He just broke up with me on his own?

  • - Yes, that's how breakups work.

  • - (Jessica) Enjoy it, 'cause you will, won't you?

  • 'Cause that's what sluts do.

  • - (Hannah) [Bleep] you.

  • Ah! - Ooh.

  • - Makes me so mad.

  • I don't understand how you can get mad at another girl

  • for something that your boyfriend wrote.

  • That doesn't make any sense.

  • - I've seen the whole thing, so just remembering these parts,

  • they frustrate me.

  • This was one of them.

  • - (Hannah) Maybe you think I'm being silly.

  • Like I get my titties in a twist over the tiniest things.

  • But you didn't walk that hall.

  • (laughter)

  • You didn't feel those eyes on you. - It's awful.

  • - (teacher) This theory can also be...

  • - Uh-oh. - (teacher) ...applied to criminal

  • behavior if a young person's friends or family

  • participate in deviant acts.

  • That young person is far more... - That stupid list.

  • Like, who makes that anyway?

  • - (Hannah) What a stupid list. - Ooh.

  • - (Hannah) Jessica is so much prettier than me.

  • I didn't think of the chaos it would cause.

  • - Slut shaming is such a huge issue. I literally hate it.

  • - Things like this stuff actually happens in real life.

  • People don't notice it.

  • - I feel like a lot of people are like,

  • "Oh my gosh, Hannah's so dramatic."

  • But I think she portrays how a person like that would feel.

  • Like, you don't know how that feels

  • unless you're the person that's going through it.

  • - (Bryce) What's up, Wally? - (Wally) What's up?

  • - I hate this. I remember reading this scene in the book.

  • - Bryce. Oh, Bryce.

  • - (Wally) So... I see you went for nuts again.

  • - (Bryce) That's how you talk to a lady, Wally?

  • - Ugh, my god. That guy is the worst.

  • - (Wally) There you go.

  • (bag rustles)

  • There you go.

  • - Ew.

  • - (Hannah) Did you just--

  • - (Bryce) Oh, no, I didn't me--

  • I didn't-- - Just punch him.

  • - (Bryce) It's just... it's real tight. - Ew.

  • Just knee him in the balls. Just knee him in the balls.

  • - (Bryce) I don't usually listen to sophomore gossip. But uh...

  • For what it's worth, that list got it right.

  • - Dang.

  • - I hate him so much!

  • - (Hannah) It seems like nothing.

  • Until the hurricane hits.

  • - Whenever I see her cry, I want to cry.

  • - (Hannah) ...that list, you put a target on my...

  • well, it wasn't just my ass.

  • You made it open season on Hannah Baker.

  • - (sighs)

  • - Obviously Bryce shouldn't have done that.

  • Sexual harassment.

  • It just shows how all these little things

  • can add up to one big thing for someone.

  • - I've had an experience where a guy just even, like,

  • put his arm around me.

  • And I felt really uncomfortable in that situation.

  • It makes you really scared, 'cause you feel like

  • you're not in a position to get out.

  • And you also don't want to cause a scene.

  • - All the characters are very one-dimensional.

  • It just seems very cold and distant for me.

  • And it's not very relatable.

  • - Look at these lockers.

  • - Oh, this scene was so iconic!

  • - Oh, this was my favorite scene. It's, oh, so good.

  • - (Clay) They all look alike, right?

  • Not this one.

  • This one is special. - Oh.

  • - (Clay) It belonged to a girl who killed herself.

  • - (Courtney) Clay, come on.

  • - (Clay) You see all these "don't kill yourself" posters

  • up on the wall? They weren't up before.

  • - That's true. - (Clay) They put them up

  • because she killed herself.

  • - That's true. - (Clay) And why did she do it?

  • Because the kids here treated her like shit.

  • - Preach.

  • - (Clay) But no one wants to admit it,

  • so they paint over the bathrooms and put up a memorial,

  • because that's the kind of school that this is.

  • Everyone is just so nice until they drive you to kill yourself!

  • And sooner or later, the truth will come out.

  • - Lost it.

  • Oh my gosh, that was so good.

  • - This scene's definitely discussed a lot of important issues.

  • The show, however, executes it very poorly.

  • - It's very necessary to have a show like this

  • so people know that words do affect people.

  • But I feel like it didn't do much

  • in terms of actually making a change.

  • - It impacts people. Not just Hannah, but everyone else.

  • - This encapsulates what the show is about.

  • But it also is like 5% of what the show is about.

  • It's got a lot of different things going on all at once.

  • - I was really impressed.

  • I don't think they tried to make it super cheesy.

  • I don't think they really sugarcoated anything.

  • And I think it was really true to the book,

  • which is I think important

  • when you're doing an adaptation of something.

  • - (FBE) So this show deals with topics such as bullying

  • and sexual assault and ultimately suicide.

  • And many people wanted us to show that scene.

  • But we won't do that as it's polarizing

  • and should be the choice viewers make for themselves.

  • So for you, are the issues that the characters from the show

  • go through something that you can personally relate to?

  • - I think everyone can sort of relate to being outcast

  • or feeling like they don't belong in a bigger group.

  • - With the whole bullying situation,

  • I got out of that a while ago.

  • And I kinda isolated myself out of it.

  • But yeah, I do understand how a few pictures,

  • a few notes, a couple text messages can spread around,

  • and they just get worse and worse by each person.

  • - Now that social media's major, that's where I mainly see it.

  • People can comment about people's photos.

  • Like, "Oh, they're ugly. They shouldn't post that."

  • - Being on a web series, there are a lot of comments.

  • So that's kind of the main platform that I've seen

  • objectification and sexualization

  • and just comments about my appearance

  • that I just don't think I would've been exposed to otherwise.

  • Because I kind of grew up and went through puberty on the show.

  • - Someone in my class-- I think it was a year or two years ago--

  • actually killed themselves.

  • When I first started watching the show, it was really relatable,

  • 'cause I saw how everyone in the show was--

  • was not aware of everything that they did until things happened.

  • And I think that was kind of relevant

  • to what happened at my school.

  • Like, everyone all of a sudden cared.

  • - (FBE) So there have been concerns from many,

  • including psychologists,

  • who feel that this show should not be watched by young people.

  • Some of the many reason are that they feel

  • that it romanticizes the concept of suicide

  • and looks like a revenge fantasy

  • and could make young people feel suicide leads to a good outcome.

  • - So what I think they could have--

  • So I understand the revenge fantasy,

  • and I kind of agree with that.

  • - I agree with all of that for the most part.

  • I do think it almost glorifies the whole situation,

  • which is terrible to say.

  • - It made it seem like she committed suicide for revenge.

  • She committed suicide because of all the people around her

  • rather than because of the effect they had, if that makes sense.

  • - After I watched it,

  • I was definitely not contemplating anything.

  • I was not thinking revenge is the best way to go.

  • I was thinking, "We need to stop this."

  • And I think it was more of a public service announcement saying,

  • bullying can happen anywhere.

  • - (FBE) Some have said that it doesn't really discuss

  • real pathways to try to find help enough

  • and that women are portrayed as fairly weak.

  • - I completely agree with that.

  • - I feel like it just-- it makes women seem a lot weaker

  • and makes it seem like there's no way out.

  • Even the smallest things could trigger anything,

  • which maybe it can for some people.

  • - There's very like, "I was bullied,

  • so this is why I killed myself."

  • But there was never really that middle step,

  • like, the kind of mental turmoil,

  • the mental illness, the depression.

  • So I think they could've done a better job discussing that.

  • - (FBE) There are also many that feel

  • that the graphic suicide scene is almost like a tutorial

  • to show you how to do it

  • and question why they would even need to be that graphic,

  • especially because in the book

  • it isn't described so graphically

  • and her suicide is alluded as swallowing pills.

  • - Um... I think the actual suicide scene itself

  • was not exactly necessary.

  • - I completely disagree, because the last episode,

  • in the scene where she kills herself,

  • watching it, I almost threw up.

  • That didn't romanticize it for me. That made it real.

  • I was watching somebody die, and it was horrifying.

  • - I don't think that the producers or the actors

  • or the people who made the show intended to make it this way.

  • But sadly, they did.

  • And I do agree that that suicide scene

  • should not have been in there.

  • I don't see how watching that could help anybody.

  • - With the show, it's an awareness.

  • You never know what someone could be going through at home.

  • You should really pay attention to it and the message behind it.

  • - By them showing that scene of her doing everything,

  • it just shows how brutal it is.

  • Like, if they didn't show it like that,

  • yeah, it would be like romanticizing it.

  • Them showing it had a purpose.

  • It's like, "Don't do this, because it is brutal."

  • - (FBE) So on the other hand, there are many people

  • who feel that kids are committing suicide in an alarming rate.

  • And this show is one of the first to really depict the process

  • of how it can get to that point. - Right.

  • - I really thought it was a good way to say,

  • "This is what's happening at schools.

  • Teachers should be watching out.

  • Parents should be listening. Students should be talking."

  • It was really to show that this girl

  • was really going through a lot

  • when she had this facade of she was totally fine.

  • - It's so hard to represent that state of mind in 13 episodes.

  • And I think for a show, it did a decent job,

  • but not a good enough job to say that

  • this is something you should watch

  • if you want to understand suicide, 'cause it's so complex.

  • - (FBE) Many see the graphic nature is very real,

  • and the only way to really connect with people going through this

  • is to not shy away from it

  • or treat these issues like you shouldn't really show it

  • versus presenting it almost like a PSA.

  • - I definitely agree that we shouldn't shy away

  • from talking about this

  • or we shouldn't shy away from discussing it openly.

  • But I definitely--

  • I personally was very disturbed by the scene.

  • And I know people who are.

  • And I don't think the best thing

  • for someone who is in that situation is to watch that.

  • - The one way to really connect to people

  • and to get the message out is to go through it through TV,

  • through YouTube, and stuff like that.

  • And with this, it really did bring out

  • this huge attention and environment.

  • And it changed people's perspectives

  • of how they're treating their own life and stuff

  • and how they're treating other people.

  • - Having a show like this is necessary.

  • There are people who are stronger than Hannah Baker,

  • and there are people who are weaker than her

  • and are at the same level.

  • Like, anything you can say that's remotely rude or mean

  • can affect somebody in a very negative way.

  • It just depends on who the person is

  • and how they handle themselves.

  • - It did a very great and accurate portrayal of someone

  • tailspinning into just complete depression and numbness.

  • It kind of shows a warning.

  • They can see what's happening to her

  • and the road that they're on.

  • And they can kind of visualize for themselves,

  • "Oh, I don't want to end up like that."

  • - If someone is going through something like this,

  • I think the show will help them.

  • Just showing that there's people out there

  • who really understand what's going on, that is help in itself.

  • - (FBE) So finally, after all of the discussion over the show

  • and the real issues it's tackling, how do you feel about this?

  • Is this a show that people should watch or no?

  • - Um, honestly, I feel like people shouldn't watch it.

  • - Yes, people should watch it.

  • I feel like parents should watch it, too, not just kids.

  • If they do notice that their kid is feeling depressed at school

  • or they get home, I feel like they can really take matters

  • into their own hands and really make sure

  • they take care of the kid.

  • - I recommend it if you don't think that

  • it'll be too upsetting for you.

  • But if you do, then I wouldn't recommend it.

  • - If you're not at the right age,

  • if you're not at the right point in your life,

  • if you're not in the right mindset,

  • then it's going to instill the wrong things in you,

  • and it's going to lead down a darker path.

  • But if you're in the right mindset,

  • if you're looking at it from a good healthy perspective,

  • then I think it has really good lessons.

  • - If you want to watch it, you have to go in understanding

  • that this is a very negative portrayal of these issues.

  • And you have to go in with a bigger understanding,

  • doing research on healthier ways

  • and healthier options if you want to watch it.

  • - It's brutal, and it's controversial. But it's the truth.

  • Even if it gets just someone thinking to be nicer one day,

  • like, that is a good enough reason to just watch the show.

  • (silence)

- (boy) Hannah, I'm not going.

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