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  • Welcome to Phone Mart

  • How may I help you? I heard you are part of The Zeitgiest Movement

  • What is that?

  • It is the activist arm of The Venus Project

  • What is that?

  • It is a social vision unlike any political, economic

  • or social system

  • that has been proposed before

  • it is based on a resource based economy

  • What is that?

  • It is a system in which all goods and services are available to everyone without the use

  • of money

  • barter

  • debt or servitude

  • also known as work

  • Why do we need the resources based economy?

  • Our current monetary economic system is not capable of providing a high standard of living

  • for everyone

  • nor can it ensure the protection of the environment

  • since the major motive of industry is profit. What do you mean by a high standard of living?

  • all members of society would have access to all of the necessities to sustain life

  • such as medical care

  • education, food, clothing

  • housing

  • entertainment

  • leisure time and more. Sounds great

  • But don't we have to have the money? If all money in the world were destroyed

  • as long as we have sufficient arable land

  • the factories

  • the necessary resources and technical personnel

  • we could build anything and even supply in abundance

  • But it would take the economic collapse

  • to get world to stop using the money. What do you mean

  • would?”

  • It’s happening right now

  • The bank bailouts

  • record foreclosures, student debt defaults

  • increasing unemployment

  • QE1, QE2

  • global currency debasement

  • and entire countries going bankrupt.

  • Looks like economic collapse to me

  • Unfortunately social change

  • has always been brought about by economic collapse, corruption in government, and/or

  • abuse of the population

  • Won’t the rich people want to stop this kind of system?

  • Yes they would

  • But if they keep using automation in their industries in order to compete for market share

  • while preserving profits

  • millions of people will be replaced by machines

  • as unemployed workers lose purchasing power

  • the very industries

  • that depend on these consumers can no longer function

  • this will bring an end to the outdated monetary system

  • Won’t all the nations have to agree to give up the money?

  • Yes, our problems today are global in their scope and impact

  • they cannot be solved by any one nation. What are the benefits of the resources based

  • economy?

  • Without money

  • no one can sell anything and with everything in abundance

  • it would not be profitable to steal anything from anyone

  • Without scarcity

  • ownership

  • and differential advantage, the basis for unhealthy human aggression will be outgrown

  • People will no longer be burdened by mortgages

  • health care costs

  • insurance, recession

  • unemployment

  • depression and taxes

  • People would be free to pursue whatever constructive endeavour they choose without the economic

  • pressures, restraints

  • and taxation from the monetary system

  • When education and resources are available to all without a price tag

  • there will be no limit to human potential

  • With these major alterations

  • people would eventually live longer

  • more meaningful and healthier lives

  • The measure of success would be the fulfillment of one's individual pursuits rather than the

  • acquisition of wealth

  • property

  • and power

  • How do you plan to make the resources based economy happen?

  • First, enhance public awareness of the need of a solution through education

  • like I’m doing with you right now. Second

  • utilize an experimental research facility to blueprint the initial technologies and designs

  • that are required

  • Third, build a theme facility to appeal to the masses and engage them in an immersive experience

  • that will entertain and inform visitors

  • the rest of the plan will emerge as interest increases

  • I see

  • So what's stopping the project from advancing? Simple

  • Social and cultural lag

  • Unfortunately most education today is designed as propaganda

  • rather than information related to the physical laws

  • that govern all living and non-living systems. Do we have the technologies to do all this?

  • Weve had the technology since 1920.

  • Do we have the materials to do all this

  • There are more than the necessary materials available for the construction and maintenance

  • of such eco cities right now

  • What will the government look like?

  • Only during the transition to a resource based economy would it be necessary to utilize the

  • services of systems analysts

  • engineers

  • computer programmers, designers

  • etc. to govern the implementation

  • But this will not be political governance. What do you mean

  • How will the decisions being made?

  • Decisions would not be based on local politics

  • but on a holistic problem-solving approach

  • For example

  • With electrical sensors extended into the agricultural region

  • computerized systems would manage and control agriculture

  • by monitoring the water table, insects

  • pests

  • plant diseases

  • soil nutrients, and so forth

  • the information processed

  • will enable us to arrive at more appropriate decision making

  • based on feedback from the environment

  • Isn’t it just decent people

  • that we need in the government? Even with the election of men and women of impeccable character

  • in the government

  • without available resources and advanced technology

  • war, poverty

  • and corruption will prevail no matter how many new laws are passed or treaties signed

  • Isn’t this just the communism/socialism?

  • Communism has armies

  • police

  • prisons

  • social stratification

  • money, banks

  • a labour class

  • and is managed by appointed leaders

  • Most importantly

  • communism did not eliminate scarcity

  • nor do they have a blueprint or the methods for the production of abundance

  • Don’t we need the laws?

  • We would need a government to make the laws. Social responsibility would not be a function

  • of artificial laws or force

  • Safeguards against abuse and harm

  • could be designed into the environment

  • and their systems

  • But I like the democracy

  • What happens to the democracy? This would be a democracy

  • Without vested interests and the use of money

  • there is little to be gained by squelching opinion

  • falsifying information or taking advantage of others

  • There are also no underlying rigid social barriers limiting the participation of anyone

  • or restraining the introduction of new ideas

  • Everyone would be able to share their ideas

  • This would in fact, finally, be a true democracy

  • I still don't understand

  • If there is no government who makes the decisions? No one does

  • What...what do you mean?

  • Decisions are not made

  • they are

  • arrived at

  • What do you mean?

  • The process of

  • arriving at decisions would not be based upon the opinions of politicians

  • corporate

  • or national interests

  • but rather all decisions would be arrived at

  • based upon the introduction of newer technologies and Earth's carrying capacity

  • Okay

  • I think I get it

  • But what about those that will abuse their power? In a resource based economy

  • we surpassed the need for money which is the basis for most corruption

  • the society we envision

  • makes all goods and services available for everyone without a price tag. There will be

  • nothing to gain

  • that they don't already have access to. We have passed the peak oil production

  • so where are we going to get the energy to eliminate the scarcity and achieve the abundance?

  • The potential of untapped energy sources is almost limitless

  • If we utilize geothermal

  • solar, wind, wave,

  • and tidal sources.

  • The potential of geothermal energy, alone, is almost limitless and can easily supply enough

  • energy for all of the world's needs

  • If there isn't the money,

  • what about incentive or motivation? Human beings need challenges

  • in order to evolve intellectually

  • and maintain a high level of curiosity and a need to overcome shortages

  • the incentive

  • which will propel people

  • is the end of war

  • territorial disputes

  • economic hardship, debt

  • and the basis for most crimes

  • as they will all be eliminated

  • If no one has to work for the money

  • what will people do with their time?

  • Are you actually asking me that question?

  • Yes

  • Children are curious about everything

  • and if nurtured could have a much greater range of interests and abilities

  • this culture does a wonderful job of limiting people's interests, opportunities

  • and abilities

  • and it conditions them to be lazy

  • People are not born that way

  • any more than they are born with bigotry, hatred, prejudice

  • or particular values

  • What about religion?

  • Religion is a great idea

  • we need to actually try to transform these lofty ideals into a working reality for the

  • inhabitants of our planet

  • This sounds like a Utopia

  • Isn’t this a bit idealistic? The Venus Project is not a Utopian concept

  • There is no such thing as a Utopian society

  • societies are always in a state of transition

  • the Venus Project only proposes a direction

  • Our future will emerge from the decisions we all make today. I don't think this Venus

  • Project is realistic

  • People did not think going to the moon was realistic

  • What is your point?

  • I don't know how we are going to get rid of the money

  • Just because you don't know where you're next meal will come from

  • doesn't mean you give up looking for food

  • Good point

  • Thank you for your time

  • I have to go but I still have more questions

  • Where can I get more information? Try a Google search

  • Goodbye

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