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  • >>AFTER TED CRUZ DROPPED OUT WITH DONALD TRUMP SEEMING FAIRLY

  • TRIUMPHANT YESTERDAY, WE STARTED TO WONDER, WHO IS GOING TO STEP

  • UP TO POTENTIALLY POSITION THEMSELVES AS A VP CANDIDATE

  • ALONGSIDE EITHER HILLARY OR BERNIE SANDERS? WHO WILL BE THE

  • ONE WHO CAN STAND AGAINST DONALD TRUMP AND ATTACK HIM IN A MORE

  • HONEST WAY THAN HE ATTACKS OTHER PEOPLE, BUT WITH THE SAME FERVOR

  • THAT HE DOES? AND WE MIGHT HAVE HAD AN EARLY EXAMPLE OF THAT

  • WITH ELIZABETH WARREN GOING ON A SOCIAL MEDIA TEAR AGAINST DONALD

  • TRUMP. SHE TWEETED THIS --

  • >> BY THE WAY, DAVID DUKE COMING OUT WITH VERY ENTHUSIASTIC WORDS

  • ABOUT DONALD TRUMP TODAY. SHE ALSO TWEETED --

  • >>

  • THOSE WERE THE KIND WORDS THAT I HAD TO SAY ABOUT TRUMP.

  • SHE FURTHER WENT ON TO SAY, AND I HAD ACTUALLY FORGOTTEN ABOUT

  • THIS ONE, IT IS ON FACEBOOK --

  • >> ALL TRUE.

  • >> IT IS SO WEIRD. SHE DIDN'T ATTACK HIM ON HIS STANCE ON

  • FRACKING OR INTERNATIONAL TRADE DEALS? OR HIS TAX POLICY? OR THE

  • WAY HE FEELS ABOUT MONEY IN POLITICS? SHE'S DOING ALL THE

  • SAME ATTACKS -- ALL THOSE ATTACKS, SHE COULD HAVE DONE IF

  • SHE WAS CAMPAIGNING TO BE THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR JOHN KASICH.

  • IT'S OBVIOUS AND LOW HANGING FRUIT TO ATTACK DONALD TRUMP AND

  • IT'S EASY, AND IT'S NOT COURAGEOUS, IT DOESN'T TAKE

  • GUTS, ALL SHE IS DOING --

  • >>APPARENTLY IT TAKES SOME BECAUSE SO FEW DEMOCRATS HAVE

  • DONE IT LIKE SHE HAS.

  • EVEN HILLARY CLINTON WAS ASKED TODAY, DO YOU AGREE HE'S A

  • SEXIST AND RACIST, AND SHE SAID I WILL LET ELIZABETH WARREN

  • SPEAK FOR HERSELF.

  • >>JUST BECAUSE HILLARY IS GUTLESS, DOES NOT MEAN IT TAKES

  • GUTS TO SAY THESE THINGS.

  • >>I THINK SIX MONTHS FROM NOW THEY WILL BE NO LACK OF

  • SAYING THESE THINGS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.

  • >>WE HAVE ALSO LEARNED THIS YEAR THAT WAITING HURTS.

  • >>PERHAPS WAITING DOES HURT, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT, BUT

  • WE WILL BE SICK OF HEARING THIS STUFF ABOUT DONALD

  • TRUMP AT A CERTAIN POINT.

  • >>I THINK -- WHAT DO YOU THINK? IT DOESN'T MATTER, DONALD TRUMP

  • IS NOT GOING TO BE PRESIDENT, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

  • >>I'M NOT SAYING I DISAGREE, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD YOU SAY

  • THAT BEFORE.

  • WHAT YOU THINK THERE IS NO CHANCE?

  • >> I DON'T WANT TO PIMP THE NEXT STORY, BUT THERE IS ALL THAT --

  • >>I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. WILL GET TO THAT SOON, BUT DO

  • YOU THINK --

  • >>I DON'T THINK YOU ARE PIMPING IT.

  • >>OR STEP ON IT,.

  • >>I LIKE PIMP, I THOUGHT MAYBE HE KNOWS A MEANING I DON'T KNOW.

  • >>I THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR 11 SECONDS.

  • >>I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON THE NEXT STORY --

  • >>DON'T WORRY.

  • >>HILLARY IS THE LUCKIEST CANDIDATE, IN A SENSE, BECAUSE

  • SHE IS RUNNING AGAINST THE ONLY OTHER POLITICIAN WITH HIGHER

  • NEGATIVES THAN HERS, AND HIS OWN PARTY IS ALREADY COMING OUT --

  • THAT IS NOT HAPPENING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, WHERE

  • MAINSTAYS -- YOU HAVE FRINGE GUYS LIKE ME SAYING SHIT

  • LIKE THAT, BUT NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS.

  • >>I HAVE SEEN THE GROWTH ON YOUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL, YOU ARE NOT

  • FRINGE. YOU ARE RIGHT, THE PARTICULAR THINGS SHE WAS

  • ATTACKING HIM ON ARE OF COURSE AVOIDING THE WEAK POINTS OF

  • HILLARY CLINTON, BUT THAT SAID, IF IT WAS UP TO YOU AND IF YOU

  • COULD PRESS A BUTTON AND CHOOSE WHO THE VP WOULD BE IF HILLARY

  • IS THE NOMINEE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BERNIE, MOST LIKELY. AND

  • IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LARRY LESSIG OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

  • ISN'T SHE ONE OF THE BEST WE CAN HOPE FOR?

  • >>YOUR REFLEX IS YES, THAT WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER SO WE WOULD

  • HAVE HER THERE AND SHE WOULD BE IN HILLARY'S EAR -- WEATHER THAT

  • MATTERS, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THERE IS THIS OTHER THEORY THAT THAT

  • WOULD HURT -- A HILLARY PRESIDENCY IS WORSE FOR THE

  • PROGRESSIVES THAN ACTUALLY A TRUMP PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE A LOT

  • OF PEOPLE IN THE MAINSTREAM ARE EVEN SAYING THAT EVEN THIS

  • ELECTION, HE COULD FLIP THE HOUSE AGAINST THE REPUBLICANS.

  • SO IF HE GETS IN AND HE IS NEUTERED, THERE IS A DEMOCRATIC

  • HOUSE AND SENATE AND IN FOUR YEARS WE SWITCH IT AGAIN, THERE

  • IS A CASE TO BE MADE THAT IT IS BETTER FOR PROGRESSIVES -- AND

  • IF HILLARY GETS IN AND SHE BRINGS ELIZABETH WARREN AND

  • CORRUPTS HER IN THAT WAY, THERE IS NO WAY HILLARY WILL BECOME A

  • PROGRESSIVE. THE IDEA THAT FDR WASN'T UNTIL -- THIS IS A PIPE

  • DREAM, WE HAVE 30 YEARS ON HER, WE KNOW WHO SHE IS. SHE WILL NOT

  • BECOME A PROGRESSIVE. ANYWAY, I WILL STOP THERE. MICHAEL?

  • >>THANKS FOR NOT PIMPING ME.

  • FIRST OF ALL I DON'T THINK ELIZABETH WARREN OR BERNIE

  • SANDERS WILL BE THE VP NOMINEE.

  • >>IS THAT GUT OR BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO --

  • >>IT IS GUT, BUT THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE WITH

  • ANYBODY ELSE ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES I HAVE WITH YOU.

  • >>PROBABLY MORE INTELLIGENT.

  • >>YOU, YES. BUT NOT JIMMY.

  • >>WHO DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE?

  • >> IF SHE DECIDES -- I THINK THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE

  • BEEN TALKED ABOUT. PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT JULIAN CASTRO,

  • PEOPLE HAVE NOT TALKED AS MUCH ABOUT THOMAS PEREZ.

  • >>I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HIM.

  • >>YOU SHOULD FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH HIM, BECAUSE HE IS

  • THE TYPE OF PERSON -- SECRETARY OF LABOR -- WHO IS VERY

  • PROGRESSIVE, LATINO, IT IS A NAME MANY PEOPLE WILL HAVE HEARD

  • HERE FIRST, BUT A LOT OF YOU HAVEN'T. PEOPLE KNOW WHO HE IS.

  • THAT IS THE KIND OF PROGRESSIVE SHE MIGHT LEAN TOWARD, OR SHE

  • MIGHT GO FOR A GOVERNOR OF A STATE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO GET.

  • >>YOU JUST GAVE ME A TERRIBLE THOUGHT. WHAT IF ONE OF THE

  • REASONS JOHN KASICH HAD TO LEAVE IS THAT SO HE CAN BEGIN

  • CAMPAIGNING ALONGSIDE HILLARY CLINTON?

  • >> HE WILL NOT DO THAT, BECAUSE HE AND TED STRICKLAND --

  • >>THEY WOULD ALMOST CERTAINLY WIN.

  • >>CHRIS MATTHEWS LITERALLY RECOMMENDED -- HE SAID HILLARY

  • CLINTON, IF HE WAS SMART --

  • >>THAT IS BECAUSE CHRIS MATTHEWS HAS HIGH-ENERGY ABOUT THIS

  • STUFF AND LOVES THIS FANTASY, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

  • IF SHE CROSSES THE BORDER TO A REPUBLICAN, WHICH SHE WILL

  • NOT DO, IT WOULDN'T BE KASICH EITHER.

  • >>YOU DON'T THINK THERE IS A CHANCE IN HELL -- WHAT IF SHE

  • PICKS AN INDEPENDENT? OR LINCOLN CHAFEE OR SOMEBODY.

  • >>YOU PICK A DEMOCRAT FROM A STATE WHO COULD MAYBE DELIVER THAT STATE.

  • >>LIKE SHERROD BROWN?

  • >>HE WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE HE IS FROM OHIO, BUT HE DOESN'T LOOK

  • LIKE WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF A VICE PRESIDENT LOOKING LIKE, DICK

  • CHENEY APART FROM THAT. BUT SOMEBODY LIKE TOM VILSACK,

  • SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE FROM IOWA, A STATE THAT WILL BE

  • IMPORTANT, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO SEE HOW THIS CAMPAIGN -- AS

  • TRUMP AND HILLARY ENGAGE, AND AS THE ELECTORATE IN THE ENSUING

  • WEEKS COMES TOGETHER, YOU HAVE TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

  • IF PEOPLE ARE RECOILING AT DONALD TRUMP EVERYWHERE, THEN IT

  • DOESN'T MATTER WHO SHE PICKS FOR AS PRESIDENT. FIRST OF ALL IT

  • DOESN'T MATTER ANYWAY, NOBODY VOTES FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT.

  • BUT IF SHE NEEDS TO APPEASE PEOPLE IN ORDER TO GET PAST

  • SOMETHING, THEN YOU GO IN THAT DIRECTION.

  • >> I THINK HER CHOOSING THEORETICALLY ELIZABETH WARREN,

  • SOME PROGRESSIVES WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH

  • -- I'M NOT THE POLITICAL HISTORIAN YOU ARE TO KNOW

  • EXACTLY GOING BACK HOW MUCH INFLUENCE IT ACTUALLY HAD,

  • THERE ARE CASES LIKE DICK CHENEY WHERE THEY SEEM TO HAVE A

  • LOT OF INFLUENCE.

  • >>THEY HAD INFLUENCE WHRN THEY WERE VICE PRESIDENT. DONALD

  • TRUMP IS GOING TO PICK SOMEONE LIKE A JOHN KASICH WHO CAN GO TO

  • CONGRESS AND KNOWS HOW TO NAVIGATE CONGRESS, BECAUSE HE

  • DOESN'T. GEORGE W. BUSH KNEW VERY LITTLE, HE THOUGHT BY

  • HAVING A FORMER SECRETARY, CHIEF OF STAFF, AND A CONGRESSMAN IN

  • DICK CHENEY, THAT WILL BE SOMEONE WHO WILL HELP ME ON THE

  • HILL. THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK EITHER. BARACK OBAMA SELECTED

  • RAHM EMANUEL TO BE HIS CHIEF OF STAFF, THAT WAS A DISASTROUS

  • PICK. YES HE KNEW THE CONGRESS -- EVERYONE IN CONGRESS HATED HIM.

  • THAT WAS THE WRONG PERSON TO PICK. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT

  • THE VICE PRESIDENT BRINGS -- SAY ALL OF A SUDDEN DONALD

  • TRUMP IS DOING SO POORLY THAT A STATE LIKE MISSISSIPPI COMES

  • INTO PLAY FOR THE DEMOCRATS, WHICH IS NOT FAR-FETCHED,

  • BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF BLACK VOTERS WHO ARE VERY ACTIVE

  • THERE, THEY HAVE LIBERAL WHITE DEMOCRATS, THE DEMOCRATS THERE

  • ARE LIBERAL WHITE DEMOCRATS. THEY COULD GO INTO MISSISSIPPI

  • AND SAY THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY IN THIS STATE, A FORMER

  • GOVERNOR, FORMER CONGRESSMAN, MIKE ESPY -- I'M THINKING OUT

  • LOUD RIGHT NOW -- YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPREAD OUR

  • DEMOCRATIC MESSAGE INTO MISSISSIPPI.

  • >>HALEY BARBOUR?

  • >>HALEY AND HILLARY.

  • >> TRUMP AND KASICH HAVE BICKERED LESS THAN SOME REPUBLICANS AT

  • THIS POINT, I THINK CHOOSING ELIZABETH WARREN -- SOME

  • PROGRESSIVES WOULD LIKE THAT, BUT PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY,

  • AND FOR THE SAME REASON I SAID TED CRUZ MADE A GOOD MOVE BY

  • CHOOSING CARLY FIORINA, NOT THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP HIM --

  • BUT IF YOU SIMPLY HAVE HILLARY CLINTON AND ELIZABETH WARREN,

  • DONALD TRUMP CAN NOW ATTACK THEM IN DISGUSTING WAYS. TWO WOMEN

  • WHO THINK THEY CAN BE NOT JUST PRESIDENT BUT VICE PRESIDENT? HE

  • WILL BREAK HIS PHONE TWEETING BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM. AND HE

  • HAS DONE WORSE WHEN HE REMINDS PEOPLE HOW CHILDISH HE IS.

  • >> AND SPEAKING OF THAT, AL FRANKEN IS SOMEONE WHO DOES WELL

  • WHEN HE CAN GET INTO THE KIND OF INSULTING THING, VERY SMART,

  • VERY CAUSTIC WHEN HE NEEDS TO BE, COULD PLAY THAT GAME WITH

  • HIM. BUT AGAIN, NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT. THE

  • VICE PRESIDENT AND THE NOMINEE DON'T GET INTO IT THAT MUCH, YOU

  • DID NOT SEE JOE BIDEN AND MITT ROMNEY GOING AT IT MUCH.

  • >>THAT IS TRUE, BUT I THINK WITH TRUMP AND A FEMALE VP, OR

  • THEORETICALLY A MUSLIM VP, SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

  • HE WILL DO THE DAMAGE TO HIMSELF.

  • >>I WOULD SAY IT'S UNLIKELY, THIS IS MY GUT SPEAKING, THAT

  • TWO WOMEN WOULD BE ON THE TICKET. WHY TAKE A RISK WHEN IT

  • IS DONALD TRUMP AND YOU WILL BEAT HIM ANYWAY? DON'T DO

  • ANYTHING CRAZY. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL TELL HILLARY THAT,

  • BECAUSE WHY MESS WITH SOMETHING THAT SEEMS SO AUTOMATIC?

  • >>WHAT IS THE OVER/UNDER ON HOW MAY TIMES, IF IT IS ELIZABETH

  • WARREN AND HILLARY CLINTON, HOW MANY TIMES TRUMP MENTIONS

  • MENSTRUAL CYCLES?

  • >>THEY ARE BOTH POSTMENOPAUSAL, SO THEY MIGHT BE FINE.

>>AFTER TED CRUZ DROPPED OUT WITH DONALD TRUMP SEEMING FAIRLY

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