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  • >>> NEXT ON "KQED NEWSROOM"

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  • SHOULD FAIR AND OPEN INTERNET

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  • ACCESS BE DEBATED?

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  • >>> ENVIRONMENTAL CRIME ON THE

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  • RISE, STEALING OFF REDWOOD

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  • TREES.

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  • >> THE MOST BLATANT CUT WE'VE

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  • SEEN, FIVE YARDS FROM THE ROAD

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  • WAY.

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  • >> YOSEMITE TURNS 150 YEARS OLD.

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  • THE HISTORY ON DISPLAY.

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  • >> THE SACREDNESS OF THAT

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  • LANDSCAPE WHETHER YOU'VE SEEN IT

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  • 100 TIMES OR BEEN THERE 100

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  • TYPES IS SO OVERWHELMING AND

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  • BEAUTIFUL.

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  • *

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  • >>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO

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  • "KQED NEWSROOM."

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  • I'M THUY VU.

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  • DEM STRAY TOMORROWS PROTESTED IN

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  • MOUNTAIN VIEW AND WANT THE

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  • INTERNET TO REMAIN OPEN WITHOUT

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  • ACCESS FEES OR CENSORSHIP BY

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  • INTERNET PROVIDERS.

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  • IT'S KNOWN AS NET NEUTRALITY.

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  • IT'S HEATING UP BECAUSE THE FCC

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  • IS CONSIDERING NEW RULES FOR THE

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  • INTERNET.

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  • A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ENDS

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  • JULY 15th.

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  • THE ISSUE GAINS HIGH-SPEED

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  • MOMENTUM AFRICA MEDIAN JOHN

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  • OLIVER HIGHLIGHTED IT ON HIS HBO

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  • SHOW.

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  • IT GENERATED SO MANY COMMENTS IT

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  • CRASHED THE AGENCY'S WEBSITE.

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  • HERE IS A CLIP OF LAST WEEK'S

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  • TONIGHT WITH JOHN OLIVER.

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  • >> HERE IS THE THING, NET

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  • NEUTRALITY IS HUGELY IMPORTANT.

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  • ESSENTIALLY IT MEANS ALL DATA

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  • HAS TO BE TREATED EQUALLY NO

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  • MATTER WHO CREATES IT.

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  • THE INTERNET IS A WEIRDLY

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  • LEVELLED PLAYING FIELD AND

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  • ESTABLISHED BRANDS, THAT'S HOW

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  • FACEBOOK SURE PLANTED MY SPACE

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  • AND HAVING FRIENDS.

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  • DO YOU REMEMBER PHYSICALLY

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  • HAVING FRIENDS?

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  • IT WAS AWFUL.

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  • YOU COULDN'T TAP PEOPLE'S FACES

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  • TO MAKE THEM GO AWAY.

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  • >> WELL, HERE TO EXAMINE THIS

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  • DEBATE FURTHER ARE THE

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  • ELECTRONIC FRONTIER FOUNDATION

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  • AND BOB MCMILLER.

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  • LAURA, JOHN OLIVER HAVING FUN.

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  • NET NEUTRALITY CAN SOUND DRY,

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  • WHY SHOULD WE CARE?

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  • >> THE MOST BASIC REASON, FOR

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  • EXAMPLE, IF CNN CAN AFFORD TO

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  • MAKE SURE THAT ITS VIDEOS GET TO

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  • YOU FASTER, THEY WILL PAY THE

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  • MONEY AND SUPPOSE PBS CAN'T.

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  • SO PBS PUBLIC BROADCASTING ON

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  • THE INTERNET WOULD SUDDENLY BE

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  • IN A SLOW LANE BECAUSE THEY

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  • WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PAY THE

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  • EXTRA FEE.

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  • IF YOU'RE A VIEWER, WHO WILL YOU

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  • WATCH?

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  • CNN OR ARE YOU GOING TO WATCH P

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  • MANY -- PBS GOING IT'S

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  • BUFFERING, AND BUFFERING, YOU'LL

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  • MOVE OVER TO CNN.

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  • THAT'S THE CORE OF THE ISSUE.

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  • >> SO NOT ONLY BUSINESS INTEREST

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  • BUT A MATTER OF FREE SPEECH.

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  • >> THAT'S RIGHT.

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  • NOW NETFLIX IS HUGE.

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  • NETFLIX CAN AFFORD TO PAY A LOT

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  • OF MONEY TO GET TRAFFIC TO YOU

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  • RAPIDLY.

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  • WHEREAS THE NEXT NETFLIX OR

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  • YOUTUBE OR THE NEXT STARTUP MAY

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  • NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.

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  • THEY WILL NEED MORE INVESTMENT

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  • MONEY.

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  • WE'VE BEEN IN A WORLD WHERE MARK

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  • ZUCKERBERG COULD SIT AND WITH

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  • $50 A MONTH HE COULD START

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  • FACEBOOK AND IT WOULD GET TO

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  • EVERYBODY AT THE SAME SPEED.

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  • THE FEAR IS THAT THE CABLE

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  • COMPANIES, COMCAST, TIMEWARNER,

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  • WOULD START TO CHARGE A FEE FOR

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  • THE LAST MILE INTO THE HOME, AND

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  • SAY WE'LL CREATE A LANE, FASTER

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  • LANE SO YOU CAN PAY A LITTLE

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  • EXTRA AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT

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  • YOUR TRAFFIC, YOUR VIDEOS,

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  • WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE SELLING

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  • GETS TO THE CONSUMER FASTER.

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  • >> SO THE FCC IS CURRENTLY

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  • TRYING TO DRAW UP NEW OPEN

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  • INTERNET RULES, THE DEADLINE FOR

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  • THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD JULY

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  • 15th.

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  • REALISTICALLY, HOW MUCH CAN THE

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  • FCC REGULATE THIS GIVE THAN A

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  • FEDERAL COURT RULED IN JANUARY

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  • THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE

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  • AUTHORITY TO REGULATE IT RIGHT

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  • NOW?

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  • >> WELL, THE FCC CAN DO A LOT

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  • BUT IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY

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  • REGULATE, THE FCC IS GOING TO

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  • HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY THE

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  • INTERNET IS CLASSIFIED.

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  • WHAT THE COURT SAID WAS THAT AS

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  • THE INTERNET IS CURRENTLY

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  • CLASSIFIED, WHICH IS AS AN

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  • INFORMATION SERVICE, THE FCC

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  • CAN'T APPLY THE SAME PUBLIC

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  • INTEREST REQUIREMENT IT CAN

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  • APPLY TO A TELECOMMUNICATION

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  • SERVICE SO THEY HAVE TO DO

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  • REGULATORY RESHUFFLING SO IT HAS

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  • THE PROPER AMOUNT OF POWER TO

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  • ACTUALLY PUT SOME KIND OF PUBLIC

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  • INTEREST REQUIREMENTS OVER THE

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  • INTERNET BECAUSE WE NEED

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  • INTERNET.

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  • WE USE IT EVERY DAY.

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  • IT'S ESSENTIAL TO OUR LIVES AND

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  • WE NEED TO START TREATING IT

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  • LIKE IT'S AS IMPORTANT AS IT AND

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  • THE FCC NEEDS THE POWER TO

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  • REGULATE IT PROPERLY.

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  • >> BOB, THE INTERNET WAS

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  • ACTUALLY CLASSIFIED IN THE 1990s

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  • AS AN INFORMATION SERVICE, NOT

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  • SO MUCH LIKE A

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  • TELECOMMUNICATIONS INDUSTRY,

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  • SERVICE PROVIDER.

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  • GIVEN THAT, WHAT ARE THE BIG

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  • INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS LIKE

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  • COMCAST OR VERIZON SAYING ABOUT

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  • ALL THIS?

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  • >> THEY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF

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  • REGULATION.

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  • THEY WANT TO DO WHATEVER THEIR

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  • BUSINESS DICTATES.

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  • THEY ARE OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF

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  • APPLYING COMMON CARRIER

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  • REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE ON RAIL

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  • WAYS AND AIRLINES AND TO THE

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  • INTERNET.

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  • THE INTERNET IS EXCEPTIONAL IN

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  • THAT IT HASN'T -- IT REALLY VERY

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  • MUCH ACTS LIKE A COMMON CARRIER.

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  • EVERYBODY USES IT LIKE A COMMON

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  • CARRIER BUT IT'S NEVER -- HASN'T

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  • BEEN REGULATED THAT WAY.

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  • SO THEY DON'T LIKE IT BUT, YOU

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  • KNOW, THERE IS SORT OF A GROWING

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  • SENTIMENT THAT SOMETHING NEEDS

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  • TO BE DONE EVEN THOUGH THE

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  • INTERNET HAS BEEN VERY

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  • SUCCESSFUL AS THIS SORT OF

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  • UNREGULATED FREE WHEELING WORLD.

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  • IT'S GETTING OLDER AND SOME

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  • PEOPLE ARE PUSHING FOR A

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  • REGULATION THERE.

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  • >> I MEAN, IT'S CHANGED A LOT.

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  • BACK WHEN IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN

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  • THERE WAS LESS OF A NEED FOR

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  • REGULATION, THERE WERE A LOT

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  • MORE INTERNET PROVIDERS.

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  • WE HAD MORE CHOICES.

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  • RIGHT NOW THE MARKET IS

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  • CONSOLIDATED WHERE THERE USED TO

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  • BE MANY OPTIONS INTO YOUR HOME.

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  • NOW THERE IS USUALLY ONE OPTION

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  • OR TWO AT MOST FOR HIGH-SPEED

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  • FIBER TO YOUR HOME.

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  • >> AND I SHOULD ADD, THAT IS

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  • BECAUSE ACTUALLY THE GOVERNMENT

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  • DID GIVE VARIOUS COMPANIES LIKE

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  • COMCAST MONOPOLIES OVER CERTAIN

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  • AREAS TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO BUILD

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  • OUT.

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  • THEY BUILT OUT AND THERE IS

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  • ANOTHER WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM

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  • WOULD BE WHAT THEY DO IN EUROPE

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  • IS FORCE THE CARRIERS TO SELL AT

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  • A MARKET PRICE TO OTHER

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  • COMPETITORS SO THAT THERE WOULD

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  • BE OTHER PEOPLE USING THE LINES

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  • AND THAT WOULD BRING THE PRICE

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  • DOWN AND MAYBE PREVENT THE

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  • THREAT OF BLOCKING TRAFFIC OR

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  • CREATING --

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  • >> WE'RE IN A WEIRD SITUATION

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  • WHERE THE INTERNET IS AMAZING.

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  • THIS IS GREAT STUFF THAT HAPPENS

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  • ON IT.

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  • ON ONE HAND, WHY SHOULD WE MESS

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  • WITH IT?

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  • ON THE OTHER HAND, THE CABLE

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  • COMPANIES AND COMPANIES LIKE

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  • AT&T HAD REALLY BAD IDEAS WHAT

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  • TO DO ON THE INTERNET.

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  • IF YOU LOOK AT THE NET

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  • NEUTRALITY DEBATE, IT WAS OVER

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  • WHETHER YOU COULD HAVE VOICE

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  • OVER IP OR WHETHER YOU COULD

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  • HAVE A ROUTER IN YOUR HOUSE AND

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  • THERE IS THE SENSE THAT THESE

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  • BIG COMPANIES ARE GOING TO

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  • PURSUE INTEREST AND THEY HAVE

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  • TOO MUCH POWER RIGHT NOW.

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  • >> AND A LOT OF THE DEBATE IS

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  • OVER THIS CONCEPT OF THE FAST

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  • LANE, IF YOU'RE A BIG COMPANY

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  • LIKE GOOGLE OR FACEBOOK, YOU CAN

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  • AFFORD TO PUT YOUR CONTENT ON

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  • THE FAST LANE AND DELIVER IT IN

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  • A MORE EFFICIENT QUICK WAY TO

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  • HOUSEHOLDS.

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  • IS THAT MISSING THE MARK?

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  • A LOT OF THE BIG COMPANIES

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  • ALREADY ARE IN THE FAST LANE.

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  • >> WELL, I WROTE AN ARTICLE

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  • ABOUT THIS THIS WEEK AND

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  • BASICALLY, MAY ARGUMENT WAS THAT

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  • IF WE WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT FAST

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  • LANES, WE'RE GOING TO IGNORE THE

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  • SORT OF THE COMPETITIVE SIDE OF

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  • THINGS.

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  • THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE

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  • REALLY IMPORTANT.

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  • THERE IS A FREE SPEECH --

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  • >> THAT IS ONLY ONE PART, ONLY

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  • ONE WAY THAT INTERNET PROVIDERS

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  • CAN DISCRIMINATE.

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  • THERE ARE OTHER WAYS INTERNET

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  • PROVIDERS CAN DISCRIMINATE.

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  • IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT GIVING ONE

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  • COMPANY FASTER ACCESS TO

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  • SUBSCRIBERS THAT LETS ISPS ACT

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  • LIKE THE GATE KEEPERS BUT

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  • PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.

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  • I MEAN, WHAT IS HAPPENING, IF

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  • YOU HAVE A FAST WEBSITE AND SLOW

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  • WEBSITE, YOU'LL GO TO THE FAST

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  • WEBSITE.

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  • THE ISPs ARE ESSENTIALLY ACTING

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  • AS SENATORS.

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  • >> PRIORITIZING, IF YOU WILL.

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  • >> THERE IS A POSSIBILITY HERE,

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  • TOO, WHICH FOR EXAMPLE, COMCAST

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  • OWNS NBC AND FOR NOW, BECAUSE OF

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  • ANOTHER AGREEMENT THEY MADE,

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  • THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT AT

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  • SOME POINT, COMCAST COULD DECIDE

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  • TO PROMOTE NBA OVER OTHER

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  • CONTENT PRODUCERS.

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  • SO THE CONCERN, TOO, IS THAT

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  • YOU'LL END UP SOMEHOW WITH THOSE

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  • KINDS OF ARRANGEMENTS.

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  • >> EXACTLY.

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  • >> DARK CLOUDS ON THE HORIZON.

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  • I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SORT OF

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  • MIDDLEMEN IN THE INTERNET.

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  • THERE ARE A LOT OF -- THE REASON

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  • THAT SOMEONE LIKE MARK

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  • ZUCKERBERG COULD START A

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  • FACEBOOK AND BUILD OUT IS

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  • BECAUSE THERE ARE COMPANIES IN

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  • BETWEEN THAT AREN'T GOOGLE THAT

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  • AREN'T COMCAST THAT PROVIDE

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  • INTERNET CONNECTIVITY AND A

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  • COMPETITIVE VIBRANT MARKETPLACE

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  • AND IF ONE, IF THE CONSUMER IPs

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  • GET TOO POWERFUL, THERE IS A

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  • WORRY THAT MARKETPLACE COULD BE

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  • SQUEEZED OUT.

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  • >> THERE IS A SIGN IN FACT THAT

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  • IS BEGINNING.

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  • NETFLIX WAS HAVING PROBLEMS

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  • GETTING ITS TRAFFIC THROUGH

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  • EARLY PEOPLE.

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  • THEY BRING THE TRAFFIC TO THE

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  • PIPE THAT THEN GOES TOWARDS YOUR

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  • HOUSE AND THEY WERE HAVING

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  • PROBLEMS.

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  • THEIR TRAFFIC WASN'T GOING

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  • THROUGH SO THEY MADE A SPECIAL

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  • DEAL WITH COMCAST AND THEY ARE

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  • PAYING EXTRA TO GET DIRECTLY TO

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  • COMCAST.

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  • SO YOU'RE ALREADY SEEING

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  • SOMETHING START TO SHIFT.

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  • >> WHAT IS INTERESTING IS NOW

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  • YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THERE

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  • ARE BIG CORPORATIONS LIKE

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  • NETFLIX, LIKE GOOGLE SIDING WITH

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  • THE ACTIVISTS AND SIGNED AN OPEN

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  • LETTER SUPPORTING NET

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  • NEUTRALITY.

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  • >> THEY HAVE, YEAH.

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  • OVER 150 COMPANIES CAME OUT AND

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  • SIGNED THE LETTER IN SUPPORT OF

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  • NET NEUTRALITY TO THE FCC.

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  • >> WHAT ABOUT THE POINT THAT THE

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  • INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE

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  • MAKING, THOUGH, THAT GOVERNMENT

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  • REGULATION SLOWS DOWN INVASION.

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  • THEY HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF

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  • MONEY IN THE PIPELINES,

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  • SHOULDN'T THEY BE ALLOWED TO

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  • CHARGE MORE TO RECOUP

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  • INVESTMENTS THEY MADE?

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  • >> IT'S NOT ABOUT SLOWING DOWN.

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  • RIGHT NOW WE NEED RULES TO ALLOW

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  • FOR INVASION BECAUSE WE HAVE THE

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  • LARGE INCUMBENT COMPANIES THAT

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  • WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO MAKE

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  • IT TO THE FAST LANE, WILL BE

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  • ABLE TO AFFORD INTERNET -- TO

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  • PAY INTERNET PROVIDERS TO REACH

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  • CUSTOMERS FASTER BUT NEW

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  • INNOVATIVE COMPANIES WON'T BE

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  • ABLE TO AFFORD IT.

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  • MAYBE A FEW YEARS AGO THEY

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  • NEEDED LESS RULES TO INVITE BUT

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  • WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT SPACE NOW.

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  • THE INTERNET CHANGED A LOT SINCE

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  • 2002, SINCE 2005.

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  • >> I MEAN, THE BIG ISSUE AT THIS

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  • POINT HAS TO DO WITH SOMETHING

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  • AND MY EYES GLAZE OVER A MOMENT,

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  • TITLE TWO AND WHETHER OR NOT THE

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  • FCC SHOULD RECLASSIFIED INTERNET

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  • AS SOMETHING CALLED TITLE TWO,

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  • WHICH IS WHERE WE PUT THE PHONE

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  • COMPANY AND ELECTRICITY.

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  • >> WE NEED TO DO THAT.

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  • >> A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL, I DON'T

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  • KNOW --

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  • >> WHY AREN'T THEY DOING IT,

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  • THOUGH?

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  • >> THIS IS A GOOD QUESTION.

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  • >> THE FCC NEEDS TO RECLASSIFIED

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  • THE INTERNET AS TITLE TWO AS A

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  • COMMON CARRIER TO HAVE THE

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  • AUTHORITY AND POWER TO TELL ISPs

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  • WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO.

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  • >> WHY ISN'T IT --

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  • >> THE REASON WHY IT WASN'T --

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  • THE REASON WHY IT WASN'T

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  • CLASSIFIED AS A COMMON CARRIER

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  • BEFORE IS BECAUSE BACK IN 2002,

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  • WE NEEDED LESS RULES TO HAVE

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  • PERHAPS MORE COMPETITION AND A

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  • DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT.

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  • >> ALSO, THE INTERNET HAS DONE

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  • REALLY WELL WITH THE REGULATION

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  • AND THERE IS A SENTIMENT AMONG

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  • MANY PEOPLE IN THE TECH

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  • COMMUNITY THAT WITHOUT THESE

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  • REGULATIONS, YOU KNOW, TITLE TWO

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  • COULD --

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  • >> COULD I JUMP IN --

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  • [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ]

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  • >> VERY SPIRITED.

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  • >> VERY FAST.

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  • >> I THINK THE CHAIRMAN OF THE

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  • FCC IS WORRIED ABOUT CONGRESS

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  • FIGHTING REALLY HARD TO PREVENT

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  • HIM FROM DOING THIS, AND THERE

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  • IS ALREADY A SIGN THEY WILL DO

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  • THAT, REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS

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  • ALREADY TRIED.

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  • >> WE WILL LEAVE IT THERE.

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  • MY GUESTS, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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  • >>> WELL, LAST WEEK A NORTHERN

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  • CALIFORNIA MAN WAS ORDERED TO

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  • PAY MORE THAN $11,000 IN

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  • RESTITUTION FOR STEALING PART OF

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  • A TREE.

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  • HE IS THE SECOND PERSON TO BE

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  • CONVICTED THIS MONTH FOR

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  • CHOPPING BURL OFF REDWOOD AT A

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  • NATIONAL PARK.

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  • A LOOK AT WHY THE ENVIRONMENTAL

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  • CRIME IS PROMPTING ALARM AND A

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  • CRACKDOWN.

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  • STATE PARK RANGER BRETT SILVER

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  • IS ON HIGH ALERT FOR UNWANTED

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  • VISITORS.

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  • SUSPICIOUS TRAILS IN THE PARK

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  • HAVE RECENTLY LED RANGERS TO

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  • SOME UNUSUAL CRIME SCENES.

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  • >> RANGERS ON PATROL KNOW THE

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  • GAME TRAIL LOOKED HEAVILY USED

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  • SO THEY WENT FOR A HIKE AND THIS

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  • IS WHAT THEY FOUND.

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  • 18 CUTS ON THIS TREE ALONE.

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  • >> THIS REDWOOD WAS ROBBED OF

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  • BURL, THE GROWTH FOUND AT THE

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  • BASE OF THE TRUNK.

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  • >> THIS ONE TO YOUR RIGHT, ONE

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  • TO YOUR LEFT.

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  • >> BURLS ARE CRITICAL TO THE

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  • SURVIVAL OF REDWOODS BECAUSE NEW

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  • TREES CAN REGENERATE FROM THEM

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  • SAYS RANGER.

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  • >> FROM THAT BURL, YOU CAN GET

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  • AN IDENTICAL CLONE OF THE TREE

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  • FOR ANOTHER 2,000 YEARS.

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  • >> THESE REDWOODS ONCE COVERED

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  • MORE THAN 2 MILLION ACRES FROM

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  • MONTERREY TO THE OREGON BOARDER.

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  • TODAY DUE TO LOGGING, ONLY ABOUT

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  • 5% OF THEM REMAIN.

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  • THE TALLEST TREES IN THE WORLD

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  • NOW FACE A NEW THREAT, POACHING

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  • HAS GOTTEN WORSE.

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  • SLABS CAN SELL FOR HUNDREDS TO

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  • THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

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  • SO ONLY 12 RANGERS TO PROTECT

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  • 132,000 ACRES OF DENSE FOREST

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  • AND ARE WORRIED THE POACHING

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  • PROBLEM IS MUCH BIGGER THAN THEY

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  • SEEM.

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  • >> I THINK WE'VE ONLY JUST SEEN

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  • THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

  •  

  • THESE ARE JUST ONES THAT ARE

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  • KIND OF OBVIOUS, YOU KNOW, THE

  •  

  • MOST BLATANT CUT WE'VE SEEN,

  •  

  • LITERALLY FIVE YARDS FROM THE

  •  

  • ROAD WAY.

  •  

  • >> THE LOSS OF TIMBER JOBS LED

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  • TO A SPIKE IN CRIME IN GENERAL

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  • SAYS THE SHERIFF.

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  • >> JUST THEFTS AND THE LAST TEN

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  • YEARS SKYROCKETED.

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  • MAIN MOTIVES ARE SOMETIMES

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  • DRUGS.

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  • THEY ARE TRYING TO GET MONEY

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  • FROM DRUGS.

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  • SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO

  •  

  • WORK AND THEY STEAL STUFF TO

  •  

  • PAWN IT.

  •  

  • >> AUTHORITIES CLOSED ROADS AT

  •  

  • NIGHT AND BOOSTED PATROL BUT

  •  

  • POACHERS SEEM TO BE GOING BIGGER

  •  

  • AND BOLDER.

  •  

  • THIS WAS 50 FEET UP IN THE TREE,

  •  

  • THE POACHERS CUT THE WHOLE TREE

  •  

  • DOWN.

  •  

  • THE TREE IS ESTIMATED TO HAVE

  •  

  • BEEN 400 YEARS OLD.

  •  

  • >> IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT

  •  

  • WE'VE EVER SEEN AN ENTIRE

  •  

  • REDWOOD TREE CUT SIMPLY IN ORDER

  •  

  • TO OBTAIN THE BURL THAT WAS ON

  •  

  • TOP OF THE TREE.

  •  

  • >> IT IS STARTING TO PAY OFF AND

  •  

  • AN ANONYMOUS TIP LED TO THE

  •  

  • ARREST OF TWO MEN FOR MAKING

  •  

  • THIS CUT.

  •  

  • IT WAS LATER FOUND AT A NEARBY

  •  

  • SHOP.

  •  

  • BOTH MEN PLED GUILTY TO FELONY

  •  

  • VANDALISM AND ORDERED TO PAY

  •  

  • MORE THAN $12,000 IN COMBINED

  •  

  • RESTITUTION.

  •  

  • THE ONCE BOOMING TIMBER INDUSTRY

  •  

  • PROVIDED WORKERS WITH PLENTY OF

  •  

  • REDWOOD, THAT INDUSTRY COLLAPSED

  •  

  • AND WITH IT, SUPPLY OF VALUABLE

  •  

  • BURL.

  •  

  • >> REDWOOD IS KIND OF LIKE A

  •  

  • TREASURE CHEST.

  •  

  • YOU CAN TAKE A GRAY PIECE OF

  •  

  • WOOD AND IT LOOKS GRAY AND

  •  

  • PLAIN, TO SOME PEOPLE LOOKS LIKE

  •  

  • A PIECE OF FIREWOOD AND CUT INTO

  •  

  • IT AND THE BEAUTY IS

  •  

  • UNEXPLAINABLE.

  •  

  • >> JIM TERMED THE BEAUTY OF BURL

  •  

  • INTO A LUCRATIVE BUSINESS.

  •  

  • THE SHOP SELLS FURNITURE AROUND

  •  

  • THE WORLD.

  •  

  • >> THIS IS A TABLE THAT WENT TO

  •  

  • THE PRESIDENT OF CHINA.

  •  

  • I MADE THE TOP.

  •  

  • >> PIECES LIKE THESE SELL FOR

  •  

  • THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

  •  

  • HE GETS THE BURL LEGALLY FROM

  •  

  • TREE STUMPS.

  •  

  • >> A TYPICAL DEAL FARMER JOE IS

  •  

  • GOING TO PASS THROUGH HIS LAND

  •  

  • AND HE'S GOT STUMPS.

  •  

  • YOU TAKE THAT OUT OF THE GROUND

  •  

  • AND THERE IS REALLY NICE WOOD IN

  •  

  • THERE.

  •  

  • >> WHILE THE BUSINESS IS

  •  

  • LEGITIMATE, RANGER DENNY

  •  

  • SUSPECTS THERE MIGHT BE A BURL

  •  

  • BLACK MARKET ON THE INTERNET.

  •  

  • >> YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND LOOK AT

  •  

  • ANY OF THE OPTIONS AND FIND BURL

  •  

  • BEING SOLD.

  •  

  • >> SELLERS SAY THEY ACQUIRED THE

  •  

  • BURL SLABS LEGALLY FROM FAMILY

  •  

  • OWNED LAND AND FRIENDS.

  •  

  • IN THE MEANTIME, MORE CRIMINAL

  •  

  • INVESTIGATIONS ARE HAPPENING.

  •  

  • RANGERS ARE HOPING CONSUMERS CAN

  •  

  • PLAY A ROLE IN SOLVING THE

  •  

  • PROBLEM.

  •  

  • >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHEN

  •  

  • PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING FROM

  •  

  • VENDORS OR BUSINESSES, THEY

  •  

  • REALLY ASK THE TOUGH QUESTION

  •  

  • WHERE DID THIS COME FROM?

  •  

  • USUALLY WHAT THEY WILL SAY IS IT

  •  

  • CAME FROM PRIVATE LAND.

  •  

  • THERE ISN'T ANY KIND OF PROOF.

  •  

  • >> THIS ONE HERE --

  •  

  • >> RANGERS SAY THIEVES ARE

  •  

  • SELLING OFF MORE THAN MERE

  •  

  • PIECES OF WOOD.

  •  

  • >> THE COAST REDWOOD FOREST IS A

  •  

  • DESIGNATION FOR PEOPLE AROUND

  •  

  • THE WORLD.

  •  

  • SO BY STEALING PIECES OF THIS

  •  

  • HERITAGE, YOU'RE STEALING FROM

  •  

  • ALL OF US.

  •  

  • >> 150 YEARS AGO THIS MONTH,

  •  

  • PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN SET

  •  

  • ASIDE THE FIRST PUBLIC LANDS IN

  •  

  • THE COUNTRY FOR RESORT AND

  •  

  • RECREATION, YOSEMITE VALLEY, AN

  •  

  • EXHIBIT OPENING MONDAY AT THE

  •  

  • CALIFORNIA HISTORICAL SOCIETY IN

  •  

  • SAN FRANCISCO LOOKS AT THE HUMAN

  •  

  • STORIES THAT ARE PART OF

  •  

  • YOSEMITE'S HISTORY.

  •  

  • THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SHARES

  •  

  • SOME OF THOSE STORIES WITH SCOTT

  •  

  • SHAFER.

  •  

  • >> WELCOME.

  •  

  • >> THANK YOU, SCOTT, PLEASURE.

  •  

  • >> TAKE US BACK TO 1864, IF YOU

  •  

  • WOULD, PRESIDENT LINCOLN ASSIGNS

  •  

  • THE YOSEMITE GRANT ACT.

  •  

  • WHAT ROLE DID PHOTOGRAPHY HAVE

  •  

  • ON HIM?

  •  

  • DURING THE CIVIL WAR USING

  •  

  • PHOTOS OF THE DEAD THAT MATTHEW

  •  

  • BRADY WAS DOING AND PHOTOGRAPHY

  •  

  • WAS NEW AT THE TIME.

  •  

  • >> BRAND-NEW.

  •  

  • THE FIRST PHOTOGRAPHER IN THE

  •  

  • VALLEY WAS ONLY IN 1859 AND IT

  •  

  • WAS WATKINS WHO COMES IN 1861,

  •  

  • DEVELOPED A NEW WAY OF A LARGE

  •  

  • SIZED CAMERA HE CALLS THE

  •  

  • MAMMOTH PRINT TO CAPTURE THE

  •  

  • BEAUTY OF SCENERY AND WATKINS

  •  

  • SHOW PREMIERED AT THE GALLERY OF

  •  

  • NEW YORK WHERE MATTHEW BRADY'S

  •  

  • PHOTOGRAPHS HAD JUST BEEN AND

  •  

  • CARNAGE ON CORPORATIONS ON TS ON THE BATTL E

  •  

  • FIELD.

  •  

  • THEY PROPOSED THE YOSEMITE ACT

  •  

  • AND GOT IT THROUGH CONGRESS HAD

  •  

  • WATKINS LIKE WE HAVE AT THE

  •  

  • CALIFORNIA HISTORICAL SOCIETY

  •  

  • AND WE'RE PRETTY SURE SHOWED

  •  

  • THEM TO LINCOLN.

  •  

  • HOW COULD HE NOT BE SO SWAYED BY

  •  

  • THAT BEAUTY?

  •  

  • >> OF COURSE, THERE ARE SO MANY

  •  

  • ICON I CAN PHOTOS NOW AND

  •  

  • OTHERS, HALF DOME, BUT THIS IS

  •  

  • MUCH MORE THAN THAT, THIS

  •  

  • EXHIBIT IS REALLY DESCRIBED AS A

  •  

  • HUMAN HISTORY OF THE PARK.

  •  

  • WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

  •  

  • >> CORRECT.

  •  

  • WHEN YOU THINK OF THE ALMOST

  •  

  • 10,000 YEARS OF HUMAN OCCUPATION

  •  

  • AND SKULL PS AND USE, IN THE

  •  

  • GALLERIES, THERE ARE ABOUT 23

  •  

  • STORIES AND IN OUR ACCOMPANIES

  •  

  • BOOK THERE IS A COUPLE DOZEN

  •  

  • MORE.

  •  

  • >> GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF ONE

  •  

  • THAT STANDS OUT.

  •  

  • >> ONE OF THE MORE BEAUTIFUL

  •  

  • ONES IS THE STORY OF JULIA

  •  

  • PARKER, STILL ALIVE, A

  •  

  • BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL SOUL WHO

  •  

  • WAS SENT LIKE MANY CALIFORNIA

  •  

  • INDIANS TO BOARDING SCHOOL, AN

  •  

  • INDIAN BOARDING SCHOOL IN

  •  

  • NEVADA.

  •  

  • MEETS HER HUSBAND.

  •  

  • HE'S FROM THE VALLEY.

  •  

  • SO HE COMES, BRINGS HIS

  •  

  • BEAUTIFUL BRIDE HOME AND

  •  

  • INTRODUCES HER TO HIS MOTHER AND

  •  

  • GRANDMOTHER AND AUNTIES ALL

  •  

  • BASKET MAKERS OF THE HIGHEST

  •  

  • ORDER, AND SHE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW

  •  

  • ANY MORE WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE

  •  

  • AN INDIAN, NOT TO MENTION AN

  •  

  • INDIAN BASKET MAKER.

  •  

  • SHE'S ASKED TO MAKE A BASKET FOR

  •  

  • THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND --

  •  

  • >> THERE IS A PICTURE OF HER

  •  

  • PRESENTING THE BASKET TO HER AND

  •  

  • THE PRINCE.

  •  

  • >> ABSOLUTELY AND HER FAMILY

  •  

  • HERE FROM THE NORTHERN COAST SAW

  •  

  • THE PICTURE IN THE NEWSPAPER AND

  •  

  • RECONNECTED WITH HER.

  •  

  • >> WOW.

  •  

  • >> NEVER HAVING KNOWN HER, NEVER

  •  

  • HAVING SEEN HER.

  •  

  • >> WOW.

  •  

  • >> IN TERMS THAT SHE IS A

  •  

  • DESCENDE

  •  

  • DESCENDENT.

  •  

  • >> THERE ARE PHOTOS IN THIS

  •  

  • EXHIBIT LIKE YOU DO A DOUBLE

  •  

  • TAKE.

  •  

  • THERE IS ONE OF A BEAR STANDING

  •  

  • ON ITS HIND LEGS AND A WOMAN

  •  

  • MAYBE SIX FEET AWAY.

  •  

  • >> RIGHT.

  •  

  • >> IS THAT A REAL BEAR?

  •  

  • >> THAT'S A REAL BEAR TRAINED BY

  •  

  • THE PARK'S FIRST FEMALE

  •  

  • NEUTRALISTS IN THE 1920s AND AT

  •  

  • THE TIME BEARS WERE SUPPOSED TO

  •  

  • BE LIKE PETS, SMALLER BEARS.

  •  

  • >> SO THERE WASN'T A GRIZZLY?

  •  

  • >> THE GRIZZLIES HAD BEEN GONE

  •  

  • SINCE THE 1880s AND IN THE

  •  

  • EXHIBITION WE SHOW ONE OF THE

  •  

  • LAST GRIZZLIES SHOT IN THE

  •  

  • VALLEY.

  •  

  • SO IT DESCRIBES THE ATTENTION

  •  

  • BETWEEN HOW NATURAL SHOULD IT BE

  •  

  • AND THE WAYS IN WHICH MEN AND

  •  

  • NATURE AND CULTURE HAVE WRESTLED

  •  

  • IN THAT.

  •  

  • OF COURSE, WE DON'T SEE THE

  •  

  • BEARS, WILD POLICY AND ITS KIND

  •  

  • OF GONE THE OTHER WAY TO FEED

  •  

  • THE BEARS WHICH IS WHAT WAS

  •  

  • HAPPENING.

  •  

  • >> SEEMED HAPPY.

  •  

  • SEEMED LIKE A HAPPY BEAR.

  •  

  • >> HAPPY RELATIONSHIP.

  •  

  • >> THERE WAS ANOTHER PHOTO OF

  •  

  • TWO WOMEN DRESSED IN THE GARB OF

  •  

  • THE DAY DRESSED LIKE A PINE

  •  

  • TREE.

  •  

  • ALMOST LOOKS PHOTO SHOP.

  •  

  • >> RIGHT.

  •  

  • THAT PINE TREE GREW OUT OF SOLID

  •  

  • GRANITE AT 4,000 FEET AND NOT

  •  

  • SURPRISINGLY ONE OF THE MOST

  •  

  • PHOTOGRAPHED TREES IN THE PARK

  •  

  • UNTIL IT DIED IN 2003 BUT THE --

  •  

  • THESE WOMEN PLAYFULLY STANDING

  •  

  • ON THE TREE.

  •  

  • SO MANY OTHERS SHOT BEFORE HIM

  •  

  • AGAIN IS THIS WONDERFUL SYMBOL

  •  

  • OF HOW WE GOT TO KNOW YOSEMITE,

  •  

  • LARGE LLY THROUGH PHOTOGRAPH AT

  •  

  • FIRST AND HOW WE'RE DISPLAYING

  •  

  • IT THROUGH PHOTOGRAPHS AND

  •  

  • GALLERY AND WHAT SPECIAL MAGIC

  •  

  • HAPPENS WHEN WE GO THERE.

  •  

  • >> THERE IS A RICH HISTORY IN

  •  

  • THE PARK OF CLIMBING.

  •  

  • >> ABSOLUTELY.

  •  

  • >> HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT IN THE

  •  

  • EXHIBIT?

  •  

  • >> WE BRING FORTH THE REALLY

  •  

  • AMAZING STORY OF CLIMATI CLIMBING IN

  •  

  • 1958 BUT REACHES THE MOMENT AS

  •  

  • CALIFORNIA, OF COURSE, IS GOING

  •  

  • THROUGH WRENCHING CHANGES IN THE

  •  

  • 1960s AND WE SEE THE SHOW

  •  

  • THROUGH THE EYES ESPECIALLY OF

  •  

  • GLEN DENNY WHO IS STILL ALIVE

  •  

  • AND LIVES HERE IN SAN FRANCISCO,

  •  

  • STARTED, WENT IN FIRST TO

  •  

  • PHOTOGRAPH AND THEN STARTED TO

  •  

  • CLIMB AND HE HAS THIS WONDERFUL

  •  

  • QUOTE THAT THE AIR WAS HIS

  •  

  • PLATFORM, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY

  •  

  • LEARNED LIKE WATKINS BEFORE

  •  

  • THEM, THEY TOOK THESE DARING,

  •  

  • DARING PHOTOGRAPH COURAGE AS

  •  

  • THEY CLIMBED AND AS CLIMBING

  •  

  • EVOLVED INTO FREE CLIMBING, THE

  •  

  • DEATH DEFYING CULTURE AND CAMPED

  •  

  • OUT AT CAMP FOUR, WHICH WAS THE

  •  

  • ONLY FREE CAMP GROUND AT THE

  •  

  • PARK AND CREATED IN THIS

  •  

  • INTERESTING HIPPY CLIMBING

  •  

  • CULTURE.

  •  

  • >> YOU TOLD ME YOU'RE A THIRD

  •  

  • GENERATION CALIFORNIAN.

  •  

  • >> I AM.

  •  

  • >> DO YOU HAVE YOUR OWN RICH

  •  

  • MEMORIES OF YOSEMITE?

  •  

  • >> I DO.

  •  

  • LIKE MANY CALIFORNIANS, I WENT

  •  

  • ALL OVER THE WORLD BEFORE I WENT

  •  

  • TO YOSEMITE WHICH IS SAD.

  •  

  • I KNEW IT THROUGH PHOTOGRAPHY,

  •  

  • OUR SONS WERE SMALL WE FIRST

  •  

  • WENT AND THE SACREDNESS OF THE

  •  

  • LANDSCAPE WHETHER YOU'VE SEEN IT

  •  

  • 100 TIMES OR BEEN THERE 100

  •  

  • TIMES WAS BEAUTIFUL.

  •  

  • >> AN INTERACTIVE EXHIBIT, I'M

  •  

  • SURE.

  •  

  • >> ABSOLUTELY.

  •  

  • FAMILY FRIENDLY, BEAUTIFUL

  •  

  • VISUALS, OVER LITERALLY HUNDREDS

  •  

  • OF DIFFERENT OBJECTS, ARTIFACTS,

  •  

  • VIDEOS.

  •  

  • >> AND SHOWING THROUGH --

  •  

  • >> THROUGH JANUARY 25th, YOU

  •  

  • HAVE THE WHOLE REST OF THE YEAR.

  •  

  • >> ALL RIGHT.

  •  

  • THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING IT

  •  

  • WITH US.

  •  

  • >> GREAT, THANK YOU.

  •  

  • >>> AND NOW FOR A LOOK AT WHAT

  •  

  • IS COMING UP ON KQED NEWS IS

  •  

  • SCOTT SHAFER, HIGH SCOTT.

  •  

  • >> HIGH THUY VU.

  •  

  • >> A BILL TO EXPAND THE BILL AND

  •  

  • THE MAN STANDING IN THE WAY OF

  •  

  • THE EXPANSION IS THE MAN THAT

  •  

  • REPRESENTS THE DISTRICT.

  •  

  • >> ICONIC.

  •  

  • TEA PARTY REPUBLICAN, SMALL

  •  

  • GOVERNMENT, SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT

  •  

  • TO EXPAND THE PARK AND BUY THAT

  •  

  • ADDITIONAL PROPERTY AVAILABLE

  •  

  • BECAUSE HE DOESN'T TRUST THE

  •  

  • NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.

  •  

  • AND SO IT'S ACTUALLY BECOME

  •  

  • SOMETHING OF AN ISSUE IN THE

  •  

  • CONGRESSIONAL RACE THERE.

  •  

  • HE CAME IN FIRST IN THE JUNE

  •  

  • PRIMARY BUT RUNNING AGAINST

  •  

  • ANOTHER REPUBLICAN MORE WHO

  •  

  • SUPPORTS EXPANDING.

  •  

  • SO IT'S A CLASSIC FACE-OFF

  •  

  • BETWEEN A TEA PARTY REPUBLICAN

  •  

  • AND A MORE MAIN STREAM

  •  

  • REPUBLICAN.

  •  

  • WE'LL SEE HOW THAT ISSUE PLAYS

  •  

  • OUT IN THE RACE.

  •  

  • >> INTERESTING TO WATCH.

  •  

  • ALSO, SOMETHING ELSE COMING UP

  •  

  • THIS FALL, ANOTHER ELECTION

  •  

  • ISSUE, PUBLIC SAFETY, A MEASURE

  •  

  • TO REDUCE PENALTIES FOR SOME

  •  

  • CRIMES.

  •  

  • UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES?

  •  

  • >> WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, IT'S A

  •  

  • BALLOT MEASURE SUPPORT THE BY

  •  

  • THE DA IN SAN FRANCISCO AND LAW

  •  

  • ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS, THEY WANT

  •  

  • TO REDUCE THE SENTENCES FROM

  •  

  • FELONIES TO MISDEMEANORS FOR

  •  

  • SMALL RELATIVELY SMALL CRIMES

  •  

  • LIKE PETTY THEFT, CERTAIN DRUG

  •  

  • POSSESSIONS, THAT KIND OF THING.

  •  

  • AGAIN, IT'S PART OF THE WHOLE

  •  

  • IDEA OF DECRIMINALIZING DRUG

  •  

  • KINDS OF CRIMES, DEALING,

  •  

  • SENDING THEM TO REHABILITATION

  •  

  • INSTEAD OF PRISON, SO THAT WILL

  •  

  • BE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.

  •  

  • >> THERE IS A BILL ABOUT THE

  •  

  • DEATH PENALTY CIRCULATING.

  •  

  • WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THAT?

  •  

  • >> THAT'S SUPPORTED BY FORMER

  •  

  • GOVERNORS AND ANTI CRIME GROUPS,

  •  

  • DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.

  •  

  • THEY ARE COLLECTING SIGNATURES.

  •  

  • THE DEADLINE WAS YESTERDAY TO

  •  

  • GET IT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.

  •  

  • IT MAY BE ON A FUTURE BALLOT BUT

  •  

  • NOT NOVEMBER.

  •  

  • >> SO MAYBE 2016 FOR THAT.

  •  

  • THIS DIDN'T GET MUCH ATTENTION

  •  

  • BUT THE STATE SUPREME COURT ON

  •  

  • THURSDAY ISSUED A 5-2 DECISION

  •  

  • SAYING THAT EFFECTIVELY THAT

  •  

  • UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS CAN FILE

  •  

  • FOR WORKER'S COMPENSATION.

  •  

  • >> THAT'S RIGHT.

  •  

  • A WORKER OVER WAS DISABLED, HE

  •  

  • SUED THE EMPLOYER FOR NOT HIRING

  •  

  • HIM BACK AND WANTED WORKERS COMP

  •  

  • BENEFITS.

  •  

  • BECAUSE HE WAS UNDOCUMENTED,

  •  

  • THERE WAS A THINKING THAT

  •  

  • PERHAPS HE COULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE

  •  

  • FOR THOSE BUT THE COURT SAID NO,

  •  

  • FEDERAL LAW DOES NOT PREEMP

  •  

  • UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS EVEN IF

  •  

  • THEY LIE TO GET FALSE PAPERS,

  •  

  • THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THOSE

  •  

  • PROTECTIONS.

  •  

  • >> SO IT WAS SET FORWARD?

  •  

  • >> ONE OUT OF 11 WORKERS ARE

  •  

  • UNDOCUMENTED AND IF THERE ARE

  •  

  • WAGE DISPUTES, SEXUAL HARASSMENT

  •  

  • CLAIMS, THEY COULD COME FORWARD

  •  

  • TO COURT.

  •  

  • >> THANK YOU.

  •  

  • >> YOU BET.

  •  

  • >>> FOR MORE, GO TO KQED

  •  

  • NEWS.COM.

  •  

  • >> I'M SCOTT SHAPE FER THANKS FOR

  •  

  • JOINING US.

  •  

  • >> AND I'M THUY VU, HAVE A GOOD

  •  

  • NIGHT.

  •  

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