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  • Cap'n' Jack: The only rules that really matter are these...

  • What a man can do, and what a man can't do.

  • Jono: His mission statement is that he's egocentric and his worth is derived from personal gain, power, and pleasure.

  • Alan: And plundering his weasely black guts out.

  • Jono: And none of that is helping other people.

  • It is literally all about what he wants to get out of life.

  • I don't care how this is going to affect other people.

  • I don't care what the law or the rules are.

  • I'm going to do what I want to do.

  • Will: You cheated.

  • Cap'n' Jack: Pirate.

  • Jono: Everybody knows he's an eel. Everybody knows he's going to hurt them.

  • He's going to do what's best for him.

  • But he's just so charming...

  • Alan: He's so charming, he can sometimes get away with it.

  • Norrington: You are, without doubt, the worst pirate I've ever heard of.

  • Cap'n' Jack: But you have heard of me.

  • Jono: Hello and welcome to Cinema Therapy.

  • I'm Jonathan Decker, licensed therapist and I love movies. This is...

  • Alan: Alan Seawright, professional filmmaker who needs the therapy.

  • Jono: And today we are diving into one of our Psychology of a Hero episode.

  • Alan: Would we call him a hero...?

  • Jono: Anti-hero.

  • He's not a full on villain.

  • Alan: It's definitely not Villain Therapy...

  • Jono: But he's not especially a Good Guy™.

  • Alan: Psychology of an Anti-Hero.

  • Jono: Yeah. There we go.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow.

  • Damn you, Jack Sparraaaaaaaa!

  • Jono: What a great first film.

  • Alan: Yep.

  • And there are some other films, too.

  • Cap'n' Jack: Welcome to the Caribbean, love.

  • Jono: And some of you are deeply hurt because you love them all.

  • And you know what? Good for you.

  • Alan: That's great.

  • Jono: I'm very intrigued by Jack as an example of...

  • He starts as a side character, he becomes a protagonist.

  • I would diagnose him with antisocial personality disorder,

  • which is usually something that you would diagnose a villain with.

  • Like, just how movies are made.

  • Cap'n' Jack: Oh, bugger...

  • Jono: When I talk about antisocial, most people say that, like, I'm antisocial.

  • What they mean is they don't like to socialize or they're introverted.

  • Alan: They're introverted. That's different.

  • Jono: But when psychologists say antisocial, they're talking about behaviors that are

  • impulsive, reckless, criminal,

  • and have a high disregard for the feelings, or outcomes,

  • or how it affects other people.

  • Alan: They're called filmmakers.

  • Jono: So we're going to take a look at Jack's trajectory across the films

  • and see if someone with antisocial personality disorder

  • can learn any sort of accountability to other people, or empathy, et cetera, et cetera.

  • Cap'n' Jack: Look.

  • An undead monkey.

  • Alan: That is a great question because, famously, Jack Sparrow...

  • Doesn't.

  • Jono: And here we go.

  • Alan: This is maybe the greatest character introduction of all time.

  • If it's not the best one, it's in the top ten.

  • Because it's this big, epic, sweeping...

  • The shots, and the score, and the stuff. And...

  • Here we go. And it's a big hero...

  • Oh, puddle...

  • Come on!

  • I've seen this so many times and it's still funny.

  • Jono: Oh, it's so good.

  • Jono: And... Alan: Sorry, I have to cut you off again.

  • jono: Wha...?

  • Jono: Oh, this... Alan: Because we're... Okay, what's happening?

  • Oh, it's the big epic hero.

  • Okay, he's coming in.

  • And this...

  • Do you know how much work,

  • and how many tens of thousands of dollars they spent on that joke?

  • That was a $50,000 plus joke.

  • Jono: Worth every penny.

  • Alan: And it was worth every penny.

  • That was a... That's worth $10 million.

  • I mean, the... Like, $10 million of the box office

  • was just him... whoop. And then just... meep, meep, meep.

  • Like, and my favorite, favorite, favorite piece about that,

  • Alan: is the character building that it does. Jono: Yeah.

  • Alan: He's in a crappy little boat and it is sinking.

  • Everything is going wrong and his arrival is just like, I planned this.

  • Jono: Yeah, well, he arrives like a boss, like this is...

  • He... Like, he's on top. Like, he's just as proud of this, as if he were...

  • Alan: I am Captain Jack Sparrow.

  • Cap'n' Jack: Savvy?

  • Jono: Always with his... His personal...

  • Jono: I don't want to say dignity, but always with his pride intact. Alan: Yes.

  • Jono: You know, I don't... I don't think dignity is the word for Captain Jack. Alan: No, he has none.

  • None of that.

  • Jono: So let's get back to antisocial personality disorder.

  • He's going to give it to us in his mission statement, what he's all about.

  • Jono: I love a good mystery.

  • Like Jack solving the mysteries of Davy Jones' locker.

  • Alan: And uncovering family secrets, like Will finding out the truth about his dad.

  • Jono: And finding things, like how Jack finds the Black Pearl over and over.

  • Alan: And over.

  • Alan: That's why we're loving June's Journey.

  • It is a hidden object mystery game with a murder mystery, family secrets, and a whole lot more.

  • Jono: This episode is sponsored by June's Journey. It's a mobile game that's free to download.

  • Alan: I love this game. The art style, the 1920s esthetic.

  • It is a hidden object game, so obviously you're going to be looking at the art a lot.

  • So it's nice that it's good.

  • Also the remodeling aspect, like, you're improving the grounds of your mansion

  • and, like, updating it. It's a... It's weirdly satisfying.

  • Jono: Right? Because you're like, I'm supposed to be solving a murder, but while I'm here...

  • Alan: While I'm here... Jono: I'm going to redecorate.

  • Alan: Let's get some new garden furniture.

  • Why do I love this?!

  • I do, though.

  • Jono: So I like to play in between my therapy sessions.

  • I have 5 to 10 minutes just to kind of, like, recharge and reset my brain.

  • And so I like to pull it up, pick up where I left off,

  • and I feel relaxed, I feel engaged, I feel distracted in, like, all the right ways.

  • So when I see my next therapy client, I'm like, Okay. Reset. Let's do this.

  • Alan: I like to play when I'm on set and I'm supposed to be talking to the...

  • the gaffer and the electricians.

  • I just ignore them and pull up June's Journey.

  • It is really Zen, helps clear your mind of thought,

  • except... solving a murder.

  • Jono: Download June's Journey for free by clicking the link below in the description.

  • June's Journey is available on Android and iOS mobile devices,

  • as well as on PC through Facebook Games.

  • Murtogg: What's your name?

  • Cap'n' Jack: Smith.

  • Or Smithy, if you like.

  • Mullroy: What's your purpose in Port Royal, Mr. Smith?

  • Murtogg: Yeah. And no lies.

  • Cap'n' Jack: Why then...

  • I confess.

  • It is my intention to commandeer one of these ships,

  • pick up a crew in Tortuga, raid, pillage, plunder, and otherwise pilfer my weasely black guts out.

  • Murtogg: I said no lies.

  • Mullroy: I think he's telling the truth.

  • Murtogg: If he were telling the truth, he wouldn't have told us.

  • Cap'n' Jack: Unless, of course, he knew you wouldn't believe the truth,

  • even if he told it to you.

  • Alan: Incredible, incredible performance from Johnny Depp.

  • Those two guys don't get enough credit because you can't sell that joke

  • without them being like, What...? He wouldn't have told us.

  • It doesn't work without them.

  • Jono: The first Pirates of the Caribbean has what I call the Dark Knight problem.

  • In that when you see The Dark Knight, you're so honed in on Heath Ledger

  • because it's such a unique, legendary performance right out of the gate

  • that you don't really pay attention to... Aaron Eckhart is really good in that movie. Alan: Really, really good.

  • Jono: Maggie Gyllenhaal, Michael Caine, Christian Bale, like, Morgan Freeman, everyone's killing it.

  • But Heath Ledger is just so... BOOM

  • Alan: He's so spectacular that you don't pay attention to anything else.

  • Jono: Yeah. Pirates of the Caribbean... Everyone thinks of Johnny Depp.

  • Everyone's brilliant in that first film.

  • Alan: Everyone's very good in the first movie.

  • Jono: I will go to bat for Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley, especially in that first film.

  • They have great chemistry and he... You need a perfect...

  • When I say straight man, I'm not talking sexuality. I'm talking comedic.

  • You need a straight man foil for all of Captain Jack's weirdness.

  • Alan: Because if you've just got weirdness and then nobody reacts,

  • it's like, Well, I guess this is normal.

  • Jono: It's wonderful.

  • But his mission statement is that he's egocentric,

  • and his worth is derived from personal gain, power, and pleasure.

  • Alan: And plundering is weasely black guts out.

  • Jono: I mean, he lifts off in rapid succession what he's all about. Alan: Yeah.

  • Jono: And none of that is helping other people Alan: No.

  • Jono: Or behaving in a way that is at least responsible to other people. Alan: Right.

  • Jono: It is literally all about what he wants to get out of life,

  • which is, you know, the pirate's code and the pirate's life.

  • But