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  • Chinese population has declined for the first

  • time in decades.

  • It is a big deal because it marks the end of this

  • era of rapid growth and of cheap labor.

  • China's ghost cities, or residential buildings

  • without tenants or construction that never

  • finished, have become visual metaphors for the

  • ongoing crisis.

  • Demand disappeared.

  • There was lack of trust among buyers, and that's

  • ultimately what led to a decline in demand and

  • therefore the downward adjustment of prices as

  • well.

  • Since the end of 2022, China's urban youth

  • unemployment rate has risen to 21%.

  • This is the age category from people 16 to 24,

  • about 96 million people, the statistics bureau

  • said. 6 million of those are still looking for

  • jobs.

  • The second largest economy in the world is in

  • trouble. China is facing a growing list of problems

  • real estate, semiconductor bans and

  • labor market gyrations.

  • The world's second most populous country also has

  • a major youth unemployment problem.

  • Really quite disconcerting was the youth unemployment

  • figure. It hit a fresh record of 20.8% for May.

  • That's up from 20.4% the prior month.

  • This is the age category from people 16 to 24,

  • about 96 million people, the statistics bureau

  • said. 6 million of those are still looking for

  • jobs.

  • Since the end of 2022, China's urban youth

  • unemployment rate has risen to 21%.

  • The issue was getting so much attention that China

  • decided to stop publishing the data

  • altogether. China's youth employment rate now ranks

  • with several G7 countries that have notorious

  • problems with getting younger workers into the

  • labor market, like Spain and Italy.

  • India, the world's most populated country, has

  • also been dealing with a youth employment problem.

  • But China has prided itself on putting its

  • hundreds of millions of younger, well-educated

  • citizens to work, and the most recent data set a

  • record for the highest youth unemployment rate

  • ever in China.

  • Experts point to several reasons for the slow pace

  • of hiring for recent graduates, and China's

  • youth.

  • At a labor market transformation could have

  • impacted the recent youth unemployment rate in

  • China, and also the way the Chinese government has

  • been regulating some of the sectors that I

  • studied, including the high tech sector, could

  • have really serious impacts on the employment

  • situation today.

  • My understanding is there just aren't the same level

  • of jobs that require a college degree.

  • So there's this imbalance in terms of supply and

  • demand, and then that that's made even worse

  • because of the Covid and the entire economic

  • slowdown.

  • So what's happening in China?

  • Why are younger workers not working?

  • Because of the overall economic slowdown,

  • businesses don't want to hire as many people,

  • especially not young people, because you have

  • to train them and you don't know if they'll stay

  • around. You don't even know if your business is

  • going to be around.

  • China's economy, along with other parts of the

  • world, is struggling to find growth.

  • A lot of Chinese wealth is tied to real estate,

  • and as the housing sector grew and grew in the late

  • 20th and early 21st centuries, homeowners saw

  • a big increase in their net worth.

  • That all reversed during China's zero Covid policy,

  • investment in real estate began to plummet from 8.3%

  • year over year growth in 2018 to a sharp decline of

  • 8.4% in 2022.

  • Policies from Beijing forced property developers

  • like Evergrande to default on their debts and

  • eventually file for bankruptcy. Shares of

  • Guangdong based Evergrande began trading

  • again on August 28th after a 17 month halt.

  • The stock plummeted 78% in the day.

  • Consumer confidence has been declining since the

  • beginning of the year because people realize

  • that the post-Covid recovery isn't as strong

  • as many of them had hoped for.

  • One area of particular weakness is the service

  • sector. Investment actually completed by the

  • tertiary industry, what China's National Bureau of

  • Statistics calls the service industry, has

  • tapered off in the last six months compared to a

  • year ago. Even imports and exports to and from

  • the country are down in most sectors, including a

  • 23% drop in exports to the United States and a

  • 21% drop in exports to the European Union in July

  • compared to last year, all while imports of crude

  • oil dropped 21% in July from a year ago.

  • Just a year to date, the country's imports have

  • fallen 7.6% from last year.

  • Some of the problems in China may be deflationary,

  • but, you know, if China is experiencing deflation,

  • that doesn't change the fact that consumers aren't

  • really spending, consumers aren't spending

  • in China. And they're not spending abroad either.

  • As a result of pressures on the economy and limited

  • spending, the Chinese government decided to cut

  • interest rates in a very different move than the

  • rest of the developed world.

  • For Chinese government, it really wants to contain

  • any of the market volatility, especially

  • during the economic downturn.

  • And from the beginning of this year, there were a

  • lot of speculations in the market over any big

  • change in the macroeconomic data.

  • So it's in a way becoming the self-fulfilling

  • prophecy because the government is so worried

  • that there might be too much attention for certain

  • type of data, then they do not wish to disclose

  • too much of it.

  • And as a result, there are more speculation and

  • more fear in the market.

  • A lot of the young people right now, their parents

  • lived through China's big economic boom in the last

  • couple of decades. So a lot of the parents have

  • made a lot of money.

  • And, you know, the kids, even if they're not fully

  • employed or employed at all, it doesn't mean that

  • they're financially affected.

  • They might still be living very comfortable

  • lives just because of how affluent their families

  • have become.

  • One study, conducted by a Yale University researcher

  • determined just how much household wealth increased

  • between 2010 and 2012, in China.

  • The data showed between those two years, housing

  • assets grew 51% in value.

  • And then what happens in China was in the last 10,

  • 15 years, the housing market skyrocketed.

  • And then the value of the, say, second, first

  • tier cities property, especially first tier

  • city. My experience research mostly in

  • Shanghai. It went sixfold.

  • Tenfold. That's how people are sitting on this

  • wealth. And these are those young people's

  • parents generation.

  • And in the U.S.

  • we talk about, oh, the baby boomers.

  • They got everything.

  • China's overall urban unemployment rate has

  • remained relatively steady all year, hovering

  • around 5.2%.

  • The 25 to 59 year old population has seen steady

  • employment as well, with that number hovering

  • around 4% since March.

  • That's leading some to call younger demographic

  • groups, quote, professional children,

  • even.

  • If they're not fully employed or employed at

  • all. It doesn't mean that they're financially

  • affected. They might still be living very

  • comfortable lives just because of how affluent

  • their families have become. And so that also

  • contributes to hey, maybe I can just take some time

  • off and lie flat.

  • I don't think young people are buying it because they

  • were not lazy.

  • Like I said, they study really hard, they compete

  • really hard, and then they are competing for

  • jobs like hundreds of people applying for one

  • position.

  • I recently heard another way to characterize the

  • situation in doing sit ups.

  • It's sort of expressing this idea that whatever

  • sector you try to make your way in, whether it's

  • coffee or real estate or tourism, it's extremely

  • competitive because everyone's trying to get

  • their slice of the same pie.

  • So if you're doing sit ups, you're taking breaks

  • between lying flat and also participating in this

  • intense rat race.

  • One way this sitting up phenomenon has played out

  • is via the country's national civil service

  • exam in March 2023, more than 7.7 million people

  • took the civil service exam in China, the first

  • step toward getting a government job.

  • Thing is, there were only 200,000 open civil service

  • positions.

  • Certainly the internet platform companies like

  • Alibaba, Tencent, they also saw massive growth in

  • the last two decades that had driven significant

  • demand for young people as well, and with

  • different regulations in the last couple of years,

  • we've seen that these industries have been

  • clamped down on by by the government or at least

  • restricted in a way that, you know, they're not

  • hiring necessarily at the pace they used to, if not

  • laying off jobs.

  • China's policy towards some of its largest

  • technology companies took a significant shift during

  • Covid 19, when Xi Jinping began his third terms in

  • office in 2020, regulators suspended what

  • would have been at the time the world's largest

  • IPO on record from Alibaba's Ant Group on

  • Shanghai and Hong Kong exchanges, due to,

  • "significant issues such as the changes in the

  • financial technology regulatory environment."

  • So before 2015 is the continuing growth of wage

  • across different sectors, including labor intensive

  • manufacturing like labor intensive or services.

  • But the situation began to change in the mid

  • 2010s. So basically the job moved from the

  • manufacturing sector to the low skilled service

  • sector. But the problem is that the low skill

  • service sector don't really solve the problem

  • because they generated very bad jobs.

  • Chinese President Xi Jinping has urged the

  • youth to eat bitterness, a more traditional Chinese

  • phrase which means to persevere through hardship

  • without complaint or even to suffer.

  • China's policy focus has been more and more on the

  • long term, and that's why we have seen a lot of

  • stress on economic security.

  • And that means way more investment into the kind

  • of technology that will be meaningful in the long

  • term, but not so much for the short term.

  • Artificial intelligence will be one of such

  • example. Just by putting more money into AI, it has

  • a potential to replace even more workers,

  • especially young workers, in the near future.

  • So it's not necessarily good for job creation, but

  • it's very important for China's long term growth.

  • On the other hand, though, it actually does look like

  • the economic malaise that China is experiencing may

  • be contributing to its apparently increasing

  • willingness to come to the table and engage in

  • diplomatic exchanges with the United States.

  • You look at their import numbers, you look at their

  • export numbers all again, read negative.

  • And we invest in other parts of Asia, Australia,

  • South Korea, Japan.

  • But at this point, I think it's prudent for

  • folks like us and your viewers to start to

  • rethink how they're going to deploy capital in

  • China.

  • Many young people used to graduate and maybe go into

  • real estate education, after school tutoring,

  • internet technology companies, coding jobs,

  • even government positions. And those are

  • really not necessarily where the future of China

  • is going to be heavily focused on.

  • The Chinese youth, for they tend to pursue

  • graduate degrees as a strategy to deal with

  • labor market difficulty.

  • So the problem is that they are becoming more and

  • more educated.

  • But the problem is that you just delaying

  • postponing the problems, but you are not solving

  • the problem. You are getting more and more

  • degree that don't really give you any return.

  • China has always been known for its massive

  • population size.

  • It's home to 1.41 billion people.

  • That means nearly one out of every five human beings

  • on Earth lives in China.

  • But now that number is shrinking.

  • For the first time since 1961.

  • China's population has declined for the first

  • time in more than 60 years.

  • According to numbers released Tuesday by

  • China's National Bureau of Statistics, the

  • population in 2022 was just over 1.4 billion, a

  • drop of 850,000 from a year prior.

  • So the recent news that Chinese population has

  • declined for the first time in decades, in many

  • ways is a big deal because it marks the end

  • of this era of rapid growth and of cheap labor.

  • If the labor costs in China are no longer

  • cheaper than other countries, China will lose

  • its comparative advantage in manufacturing goods for

  • the rest of the world.

  • Consequently, the prices of your iPhones, the

  • prices of your cars, and many of these things are

  • going to rise. And so the global consumer is going

  • to feel what's happening.

  • So what's happening in the bedrooms in China is

  • actually affecting what's happening in the rest of

  • the world.

  • China has been implemented this one child

  • policy for 35 years, from 1980 to 2015.

  • The reason for this is back in 1980, the Chinese

  • government observed or predicted that in the

  • future, China's population growth rate

  • will be so high, and then there will be the famine

  • problem. Then the agricultural production

  • will not meet the people's wants and needs.

  • Many couples therefore chose to only have a son

  • when restricted to just a one child household.

  • So consequently, after 30 something years, what you

  • do have is a huge situation of missing women

  • and surplus bachelors.

  • Something like 30 million surplus men who cannot

  • find brides. That obviously has a lot of

  • consequences for how do you make future babies for

  • China, right? No women.

  • That's a big problem. It costs the population to

  • become too male, too old, and too few.

  • Reasons why the younger generation decided not to

  • respond to the policy changes.

  • Number one is the sheer cost of living.

  • Just an ordinary city, if you buy a property, you're

  • looking at 30 years of commitment to pay off your

  • mortgage. So this is a huge burden.

  • In rural China, things are slightly different

  • because housing is cheap.

  • However, education is a problem, and if you want

  • to send your kids to secondary schools or

  • universities, you must leave your village.

  • You can imagine then boarding costs all the

  • fees. This all build up.

  • Although the government relaxed this one child

  • policy to even three child policy.

  • But still we did not observe much effect out of

  • it. One reason is Covid recently, especially for

  • the year 2022, because 2022 was China still

  • implemented, this very stringent zero Covid

  • policy. So most of the people live in a very,

  • extremely inconvenient life, and many people got

  • laid off because of this long time no show at work.

  • That's why the birth rate in the year 2022 is very

  • low. So from the domestic perspective, the real

  • estate market, which was booming for the last 30

  • years, your first generation of homeowners

  • coming in is now stalled, partly as a result of

  • Covid, but also partly as a result of a housing

  • crisis, and also partly because of the population

  • growth slowing down.

  • That's a long term economic outlook that it's

  • not helpful.

  • Aging is catching up in China.

  • It actually affects the quality of population and

  • they are not as productive as young

  • generation.

  • The aging population can make the government spend

  • a lot of money on the welfare expenditure.

  • They pay more money for the Social Security,

  • Medicaid, Medicare and etc.

  • and also population shrinks.

  • That means tax payers shrinks.

  • So lower amount of tax payers indicate a lower

  • tax revenue and then higher government

  • expenditure. So the government budget deficit

  • will be the result.

  • Especially the last 25 years, China has embedded

  • itself into global supply chains.

  • And so we felt that very acutely out of the Covid

  • pandemic, particularly as vaccines were rolled out

  • and consumer spending boomed, there were

  • bottlenecks at ports, there were semiconductor

  • chip shortages as inputs to automobiles.

  • And so the integrated success of globalization

  • has now become a threat to the resilience of

  • global supply chains.

  • Now, China.

  • Had for a long time been a manufacturing-based

  • economy. So the source of cheap labor was very

  • helpful to grow. And that's why very many of

  • the world's factories relocated there.

  • That's why it became the world's manufacturing

  • floor. That's why your iPhones and your your cars

  • and your solar panels are all made in China.

  • And that's why we've all paid relatively cheaper

  • costs for it.

  • Unlimited supply of cheap labor from rural China is

  • the engine of China's exports.

  • Now, if you switch that off, China's cheap

  • labor-based manufacturers will soon kind of decline.

  • And this will cause some kind of famine in goods.

  • Certain things you can get very cheaply, not

  • anymore. Cheap goods made in China.

  • That party's over.

  • India is poised to dominate the global

  • economy for the rest of this century.

  • Why? Because its population will overtake

  • China this year, in 2023, and in the next few years,

  • its working age population will become the

  • largest in the world.

  • Now, India still has demographics so that it

  • will continue to grow and add population in the

  • subsequent decades.

  • Indians are young.

  • The average age is under 30.

  • It's really a vibrant, young, educated workforce.

  • I won't be surprised in the next decade.

  • India will be the workshop of the world.

  • Population is only going to be one dimension of

  • this. We have to think about infrastructure,

  • about gender roles, gender equality, about the

  • nature of the economy.

  • And in that sense, of course, there are still

  • fundamental differences between China and India.

  • And I think in many ways, India still has a lot of

  • ground to gain.

  • Just because you have plenty of young workers

  • doesn't mean you have the roads, or the factories,

  • or the financing or the logistics to take

  • advantage of all those things and really make it

  • come together. So yeah, that's not that

  • expectation at all.

  • This population decline in this process of aging is

  • almost irreversible.

  • We can try to slow it down a little bit through

  • increasing fertility rates, but that's not

  • really the solution to anything, because of

  • course, babies don't work, babies don't pay

  • tax. And so we need to do is tackle some of the

  • challenges of today.

  • And that will require things like reforming the

  • pension system, making sure that their health and

  • social welfare systems are more adequate, but

  • then also ensuring that China can do more with a

  • smaller population involve increasing

  • productivity, maybe reforming the education

  • system, and so on.

  • Suppose if the labor supply reaches a

  • critically low point, the Chinese government might

  • consider importing cheaper labors from other

  • countries to lower the cost of production and to

  • maintain its comparative advantage of its domestic

  • products. And this will bring about even more

  • benefits to other countries with cheaper

  • labor.

  • Foreign companies, foreign governments are aware that

  • things are going in one direction in China at the

  • moment.

  • A lot of companies are going to rethink their

  • whole business model, whether they would place

  • any manufacturing or resourcing outside of

  • China, whether they would be looking at other

  • sources of consumption growth.

  • The damage has been done.

  • Nothing you can do about it.

  • You just have to to minimize the damage in the

  • future.

  • China's real estate industry is collapsing in

  • slow motion. These ghost cities or residential

  • buildings without tenants or construction that never

  • finished, have become visual metaphors for the

  • ongoing crisis.

  • That kind of really undermined the confidence

  • among home buyers, because they were now

  • worried that developers might not deliver the

  • apartment that they had put a down payment on for.

  • And so you then got essentially a confidence

  • crisis among consumers who weren't able to trust

  • developers to deliver the department they had paid

  • for, at least in part.

  • And so demand disappeared.

  • There was lack of trust among buyers.

  • And that's ultimately what led to a decline in

  • demand and therefore the downward adjustment of

  • prices as well.

  • One of the issues for the property sector has been

  • its rapid expansion.

  • And in China's financial world, there haven't been

  • as many regulatory constraints as you might

  • have seen in other parts of the world that are more

  • developed.

  • The total value of commercial real estate

  • sales from things like offices and shopping

  • centers skyrocketed in February 2021, with the

  • month over month increase of 133%.

  • That same value on those sales has now fallen

  • negative to -1.5% from July to August of this

  • year.

  • Part of the problem this summer, in late July and

  • early August, was that the pace of the sales

  • decline was accelerating.

  • While you had Country Garden run into these

  • default worries.

  • From Evergrande's default and eventual bankruptcy

  • filing to Country Garden's debt

  • restructuring, ripple effects are making waves

  • throughout the entire economy and the Chinese

  • stock market. The Hang Seng Mainland Properties

  • Index illustrates this tough time rather clearly,

  • a steep decline since the sector's peak in January

  • 2020. This all comes as China's overall economy

  • struggles with its post-Covid recovery.

  • Wall Street analysts are now cutting their

  • forecasts for China.

  • Barclays, for example, cut its estimate for

  • China's 2023 GDP from an astronomical 9% to 4.5%.

  • Official Chinese statistics state the real

  • estate sector only accounts for 6% to 7% of

  • the country's overall GDP, but estimates from

  • economists like Ken Rogoff suggest all real

  • estate inputs and supply chains make up a whopping

  • 30% of China's overall GDP.

  • So what's going on with China's housing sector,

  • and does it mean trouble for the U.S.

  • and the global economy?

  • Back in 2014, the country's sizzling housing

  • market began to cool, with fewer sales, falling

  • prices and slowing development.

  • Compared with the situation back in 2014.

  • The situation is quite different because back in

  • 2014, we don't have this kind of issues of

  • developers. At the time we just had a slowdown,

  • not a huge wave of default of private

  • developers, and we don't have a huge group of

  • austerity households which already have a high

  • leverage, lower-income expectation.

  • This time around, developers began to look

  • to offshore international debt markets and local

  • governments to finance new projects, anticipating

  • continued growth.

  • They really saw huge growth in the last two

  • decades, and part of that was because they could buy

  • land from local governments and then sell

  • those properties that they built on the land to

  • people in China.

  • And there was a lot of financing involved with

  • that.

  • As these companies began to grow and grow with no

  • constriction in sight, that's when several

  • auditors parted ways with the big real estate

  • companies in China, sparking fears of

  • underlying concerns.

  • It's a result of very deliberate policy by the

  • government to prick the property bubble that was

  • forming over the last decade or so, so the

  • government stepped in and essentially curbed

  • financing to developers, tightened the screw and

  • household borrowing, for example, in order to rein

  • in property prices.

  • But in some sense, they got a bit more than they

  • bargained for, because now we are here about a

  • year and a half later and the property market is

  • actually quite depressed.

  • Evergrande is one of the notable property

  • developers that defaulted on its offshore debt

  • payments in late 2021, meaning it failed to repay

  • bills and even miss the grace period window to

  • repay. Country Garden was another of the

  • privately-owned Chinese property developers to

  • catch investors' attention after signaling

  • pressure on their ability to pay down debt.

  • On October 18th, the company missed a $15

  • million payment. The company now rests with $11

  • billion in offshore bonds, and even mentioned

  • it expects to be unable to meet all of its off

  • shore debt obligations.

  • So one strategy the government adopted in

  • order to rein in the frothy housing market was

  • really to curb the financing access of

  • developers. Developers would borrow money in the

  • market, would then build apartments and sell these

  • to consumers.

  • And so by essentially cutting off developers

  • from funding or at least restricting their access

  • to funding, developers suddenly realized they

  • don't have enough money to actually complete the

  • projects they're working on.

  • In total, 26 property developers encountered

  • distress events in 2022, according to S&P Global

  • Ratings. S&P Global Ratings counts distressed

  • events as those where the developer reportedly

  • restructured or outright failed to pay any of its

  • offshore or domestic obligations.

  • However, these defaults subsided in 2023 as

  • several of these companies were able to

  • push back their maturities to late 2024.

  • China's shrinking real estate sector over the

  • coming years really have a huge impact on heavy

  • industry, on the commodity markets

  • globally, because there's going to be less steel

  • demand, there's going to be less cement being used,

  • less glass, for example, that impacts within China,

  • heavy industrial areas that really produce these

  • raw materials. And so that's not something that

  • will grow very fast.

  • And therefore, China in some sense has its own

  • rust belt in the northeast, a term we're

  • familiar with from the U.S.S, for example, where

  • as the economy shifted away to different sectors,

  • you left behind with kind of empty factories and

  • kind of declining employment, and China has

  • the equivalent.

  • All of this is spilling over into the global

  • economy. The International Monetary

  • Fund just cut its global growth forecast for 2024,

  • and called out China's real estate crisis as a

  • big reason why, in addition to citing rising

  • inflation and interest rates, the IMF described

  • China's real estate crisis as a major problem

  • facing policymakers going into 2024.

  • The IMF said diminished consumer confidence and

  • investment in China posed a "significant risk for

  • the global economy.

  • Since real estate was one of the biggest parts of

  • China's economy, real estate developers were

  • growing significantly.

  • I mean, it made a lot of investment sense at one

  • point to buy these bonds, but that growth and that

  • reliance on debt obviously proves

  • unsustainable. I mean, it's something that people

  • have warned about on China's economy for

  • decades. And at some point, the government has

  • started to think about how they could reduce the

  • level of debt in their system.

  • This led to the central government's decision to

  • institute a three red lines rule for property

  • developers. This rule puts a cap on the ratios

  • of debt to cash, debt to assets, and debt to equity

  • that these companies can hold.

  • From anecdotes that I've heard, this policy was

  • implemented pretty stringently in that

  • everyone was so scared of giving any financing to

  • the real estate developers that they were

  • almost, it sounded like, cut off.

  • This three red lines policy was so steep it

  • doubled China's default rate to 4.4% in 2021.

  • Then the following year, it doubled again to 8.2%,

  • according to S&P Global Ratings.

  • I think China's government would try to let those

  • private developers to negotiate with creditors

  • and to get those things done, to try to stabilize

  • it, instead of trying to leverage on central

  • government to bail them out.

  • Fast forward to just a couple months ago, the

  • central bank and government officials moved

  • to boost home sales by lowering the minimum down

  • payment for first-time home buyers to 20%, and

  • 30% for second-time purchasers.

  • Officials also began encouraging lenders to

  • lower rates on existing mortgages, all in an

  • effort to boost property sales.

  • All these are really aimed at juicing home sales,

  • raising demand for apartments.

  • And on both of these strategies, the government

  • has only been partially successful so far.

  • We're still early days, but we're not really yet

  • seeing a V-shaped recovery in housing

  • demand. It's really been a bit of a slog in recent

  • months to get consumer confidence back into the

  • market and stabilize home demand.

  • But there's a key difference between private

  • sector developers and state-owned developers.

  • The private sector developers really funded

  • themselves a little bit more out of the

  • international market.

  • That is, they went to global investors and

  • issued bonds to fund their expansion, whereas

  • the state-led developers really funded themselves

  • more domestically.

  • This exact phenomenon played out in 2021 and

  • 2022, as the privately owned enterprises or

  • developers default amount surged 35.4 billion, while

  • their state owned counterparts fell to 190

  • million. In a very rapid difference.

  • It's not to say that state-led developers are

  • entirely off the hook.

  • They too have faced, of course, increasing

  • pressures due to declining demand.

  • And they, too, are facing it, facing a more

  • difficult time to raise funding, although not

  • quite on the par of what private sector developers

  • experience over the past 18 months or so.

  • The amount in offshore defaults for China's

  • property sector soared to a record rate in the last

  • ten years, from 4 billion in defaults in 2015 to $54

  • billion in 2022.

  • And the rate at which companies defaulted

  • tripled, according to the S&P Global Ratings.

  • You see that bifurcation in how the property

  • developers are doing.

  • Like, for example, again, Evergrande, they were more

  • exposed to the lower tier cities and not as much to

  • the higher tier cities.

  • It's pretty similar to, let's say, the United

  • States. New York's property market will

  • almost always hold its value.

  • It might go down, but after the pandemic, it

  • comes back and more expensive than ever.

  • It's just because more people are always going to

  • the large cities for the job opportunities, and

  • also the education and health care services that

  • they can get in the large cities.

  • Cities and localities in China differ in their

  • policy responses to the struggling property

  • sector. For example, China's central

  • authorities announced that city-level

  • governments could decide on their own the

  • eligibility criteria for first-time home buyers.

  • These kind of policies differ based on where you

  • are in China.

  • As of now, only Shanghai is still maintaining its

  • momentum, while for other tier three city, or tier

  • two or even tier one city already slowed the

  • momentum. So that means that the effectiveness of

  • this policy is quite different.

  • And maybe it's just it's just not going to be that

  • kind of boom that we, booming economy, booming

  • growth that we've seen in the last couple decades.

  • Also, people have expected you know, China's

  • growth overall is going to slow.

  • But does that mean it's going to collapse and fall

  • into a deep recession?

  • I think there's a lot of space in between that

  • scenario and what's happening right now.

  • I think no one right now would expect, like the

  • property market will immediately stabilize.

  • I think the market has a better understanding of

  • that the property market may not stabilize that

  • soon. I think the key question back to when it

  • will start to stabilize or when it will bottom

  • out. I think that's something that people are

  • debating. As I mentioned, Like I may be a little bit

  • bearish. Like I don't think the situation will

  • stabilize in 2024 due to supply issues.

  • It's important to recognize that there is a

  • longer-term challenge here, and that is we

  • essentially have too large a construction

  • sector in China.

  • We have two large a real estate sector because

  • underlying demand for apartments is declining.

  • We have slowing slowing urbanization, declining

  • demographics, that its population is aging.

  • We've already rebuilt most of the Chinese

  • housing stock to modern standards of the last two

  • decades. And so China going forward doesn't need

  • the amount of construction activity, the

  • size of these developers, the overall real estate

  • activity, because there's just structurally

  • declining demand.

  • And it's just that there's some times we just don't

  • have enough information, which is the scary part in

  • of itself. And that's been China's problem, this

  • lack of transparency.

  • But with the data we have, some people are

  • pointing to China's past track record on economic

  • policy. It's just more I think what we don't know.

  • But there are growing uncertainties.

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