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  • Jono: This is very much a lust versus love,

  • selfish possessiveness versus selfless togetherness.

  • Lust can have a place in love. I mean, lust is just intense physical attraction.

  • But in and of itself, it isn't love.

  • It's not something you can build a relationship on.

  • And especially if that relationship is controlling or consuming or obsessive.

  • Love is not possessive.

  • Love is, I want you to be happy, whatever that means.

  • You need to let them have a choice. Like, an actual choice.

  • And what's beautiful about the Phantom's arc is he doesn't love Christine here,

  • but when she shows him actual genuine love and compassion,

  • then he shows her love in return.

  • Phantom: ♬♬ Christine, I love you ♬♬

  • Jono: People just need love.

  • Even though we're responsible for our choices, at the same time, we influence each other.

  • A lot of times the monsters that we're scared of, are the ones that we create by our lack of compassion.

  • Alan: Hello and welcome to Cinema Therapy.

  • I am Alan Seawright, professional filmmaker who needs therapy, and that is...

  • Jono: Jonathan Decker, licensed therapist who loves movies.

  • What are we doing today?

  • Alan: Well, I would like you to react to a film,

  • that is one of, I think, a...

  • Maybe beloved by you. Jono: Yes.

  • Alan: I had never seen it.

  • Jono: Xanadu.

  • ♬♬ They call it Xanadu-u-u ♬♬

  • Alan: Yes. We're watching Xanadu.

  • No, we're watching an equally excellent, exceptional film that I have no qualms with.

  • No quibbles, no problems.

  • Phantom of the Opera.

  • Jono: Alan and I don't share the same opinion on this movie.

  • I'm a huge fan.

  • Alan: I am not.

  • Jono: I think 'detest' was the word you were using.

  • Alan: I didn't detest everything about it.

  • Jono: For example, Minnie Driver is delightful.

  • Alan: She's great in this. You kidding me?

  • Carlotta: 'These things do happen'!

  • Jono: I was Phantom of the Opera one year for Halloween,

  • and I didn't have anything to get the mask to stay on my face.

  • And I didn't want the strap, because in the movie there's no strap. Alan: Yeah, there's no strap.

  • Jono: So I use gorilla glue for our Halloween party. Alan: [ppffftttsss]

  • Alan: You got me to do an actual spit take.

  • Jono: We're going to do some Movie Couples Therapy, but for two separate couples in the same movie.

  • Alan: Whoa.

  • Jono: And one person is part of both couples.

  • We've gotten a lot of requests for Phantom of the Opera,

  • largely due to the really problematic, interesting nature of the relationships.

  • And I would make the argument that, in many ways,

  • it's not about where the film starts and the characters start, but where it's going.

  • Because these relationships are toxic as hell. Alan: Yeah, real bad.

  • Jono: And very much romanticized. But then that's kind of the point.

  • Alan: Mm... hmm?

  • Jono: So let's... let's dive in, shall we?

  • I'm so excited to hear your thoughts.

  • Alan: I'm so excited to hear yours.

  • Christine: When your mother brought me here to live.

  • Whenever I come down here alone.

  • Jono: Ah, it's Rita Skeeter

  • Christine: To light a candle for my father.

  • Jono: It is. So for those who haven't seen the film, Christine Daaé. Her father was a famous violinist.

  • He dies and he promises that he'll send the Angel of Music to watch after her.

  • Christine: He was always there.

  • Jono: So here's what's creepy. Alan: Hmm.

  • Jono: Phantom's already talking to her when she's a child. Alan: Yeah.

  • Christine: When my father lay dying.

  • Jono: That's not good.

  • Alan: Is this grooming? Christine: ...protected by an angel.

  • Jono: It is. Alan: Okay.

  • Jono: And that's part of the point of the story. I mean, it's...

  • At first it's very romanticized, her relationship with the Phantom. Alan: Sure.

  • Meg: Do you believe?

  • Jono: But then it's meant to show you, Oh, you're dealing with a predator. Alan: Yeah.

  • Jono: They're going to make it romantic or sensual or whatever.

  • But this is really taking advantage.

  • So a lot has been made that Gerard Butler was 34 when they made this,

  • and Emmy Rossum was 17.

  • Jono: It actually works really well for the characters. Alan: Oh yeah, totally.

  • Jono: Because I've seen on stage when they're about the same age

  • and I'm like, How is Christine this dumb?

  • Alan: Yeah, how is this 30-year-old woman such a freaking idiot.

  • Jono: But here, she believes in angels and all these things,

  • and so that's something you can use against her.

  • Jono: Also her grief. Alan: Sure.

  • Jono: You know, and she's very young and she's very naive.

  • So he's going to... He's going to take advantage of that.

  • And yes, it is grooming behavior. It's predatory grooming behavior.

  • Which, again, if you think Christine and Phantom are romantic...

  • Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

  • Alan: That you're just... You're wrong. You're wrong.

  • You're wrong and bad?

  • Jono: You're not bad, because the story, on stage and on screen,

  • goes out of its way to portray it as romantic. Alan: Yeah.

  • Jono: Which on the surface seems like, Well, that's a really icky, terrible thing to do.

  • It is only if you stay there. Oh...

  • Carlotta: Whoa!

  • Jono: We would like to announce that Sophie will be joining as Alan's co-host,

  • and Jono will be playing the role of the page boy.

  • Carlotta: Your part is silent, little toad.

  • Tee hee hee

  • Jono: But that's the point of the story, is it's not where it starts.

  • It's where it's where it ends.

  • And this is very much a lust versus love,

  • selfish possessiveness versus selfless togetherness.

  • As she finds Raoul, we can forgive the mullet.

  • Alan: Do we even have to forgive it? I mean, come on...

  • Jono: Is that a mullet in your case, though?

  • Alan: I don't know, because it's not part... Like, business up front, party in the back.

  • It's just party everywhere.

  • Jono: Yeah, it's just party everywhere. So I see this more of a mane.

  • There's a bit of Aslan.

  • Alan: I'll take it.

  • Jono: Or, as they say in the films, As-lan

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  • Raoul: Little Lotte.

  • Let her mind wander.

  • Jono: So here's Raoul, her childhood bestie.

  • Raoul: Little Lotte thought, 'Am I my fonder of dolls or...'

  • Jono: Who, of course, is made of money and is now a patron of the arts.

  • Raoul: 'Or of riddles or frocks?'

  • Jono: I don't know. Maybe he's party all the time.

  • You know why it doesn't work? It's because he's clean shaven.

  • Alan: Yeah, He needs a beard.

  • Christine: ...father playing the violin.

  • Raoul: As we read to each other.

  • Alan: Also, the fact that it's, like, swooping.

  • Jono: Swooping forward. Alan: It's the swoop.

  • The forward swoop does that.

  • Christine: ...is when I'm asleep in my bed.

  • ♬♬ And the Angel of Music sings songs in my head ♬♬

  • Jono: I think she's a great Christine.

  • Alan: Oh, she's so good.