Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles There was a man here, but he's disappeared as you look. There was a dog here, but he's vanished, as you watch. There was a street here. It's not here, you keep looking. There was a notice– there's one now– of bouncing away. There is information about the vanishing point of a street. One. I had invited Vito and Maria on the occasion of MoMA PS1 turning forty. And I thought, who is an artist who really galvanizes the artistic energy and innovation and groundbreaking nature of going into the city and dealing very early on with new media and new approaches. So who would that artist be, who is like groundbreaking, experimental and is challenging like this institution is and still is forty years later? Vito, do you recognize the street? – I do, I mean but it's different now. – Yeah. Forty or fifty years later. I hope we're going to open. And I hope we're going to open with a project all of us want to do. What can our crew most effectively do today so we're moving forward? – Finishing this. – Yeah. Great. Yeah, we're still far away from being finished, great. I still don't understand why some things were white on black and some things weren't. From where we're standing why? Why wouldn't somebody call you? He was very hesitant to do the show, because Vito does not like to go back to his past. I was adamant that we had to incorporate architecture, design to say, look, this is what Vito is doing now. Everything is very calculated because Vito and I are both very meticulous. I wanted to make some kind of statement that comes from me. So “Where We Are Now,” whereas, “Where Are We Now,” is too flimsy. We can trick it, because then in the parentheses is “Who Are We Anyway?” This whole text is thirty six pages. There's no way we're going to fit thirty six pages. – Not at all. – So I think we just fit, – what fits in that space basically. – Exactly. It's hard for me not to say something else. I would like to get it done by Friday. Yeah, yeah. No, we need to start writing tomorrow if we've got any chance of getting it done. He's very particular about the spaces in between paragraphs and the width of some columns being wider and some being thinner. One, two, three, four, five. You think you'll get it done in time? He's going to come by Sunday. I guess we'll see what happens at that point. But we have until one o'clock tonight. It is the day in as much as we... It's a moment of truth and we will see if the show actually opens. We have worked for three-and-a-half months in the exhibition space and all of a sudden we have constructed something. So architecture has been realized and produced. I'm about to press the send button on the invite. – Shall I really do that? – Yes. – Good. Vito? – Yes. I sent it to three-and-a-half thousand people who are showing up here on Sunday. We have to do that. Now it's out. – Is that really true? – Yes. Three-and-a-half. We better have something. “Seedbed,” for me, was such a historical piece. It really grounded you, no pun intended, but it grounded you as an artist in everybody's eyes. You changed the art world. Maybe I made a mistake in grounding myself with that. A big mistake was everything came from one point. I really screwed up the piece. You screwed up the piece, still you made art history. –Are you a perfectionist, Vito? I try to be, but I fail. I really felt like I had nothing to do with art. Art to me was, kind of fakery. I despised calling what I did art. I thought of them as activities. I think many of his early instruction pieces and early investigations are literally a premonition and anticipation of social media. Of documenting every single moment of your life. But then you see Vito more than forty years earlier creating a selfie or a self portrait. I think Vito Acconci very often is about seducing the camera and that is what Snapchat or Instagram or YouTube very often are. From seeing Vito, you kind of get the sense wait a second, I can be alone in my bedroom and film myself doing whatever I want to do. You need me! I think Vito made it more comfortable and he made it not a big deal in a sense. I only know there's got to be somebody. There's got to be somebody watching me, somebody who wants to come in close to me. I hope that people will be able to experience Vito from the past and into the future. I think he is sort of... I don't want to say shell shocked, but maybe that's the right word. He has sort of a PTSD of 1968 to 1973. The people have kept him in a prison. He feels like he hasn't been able to expand into what he wants to be right now. I can't imagine what it would be like to always be associated with that when actually you've moved on from that a little bit and you're interested in doing something else perhaps. So that's why maybe this has been quite an interesting or difficult process for him because he is trying to somehow put that back into something that is relevant maybe for him now. It always bothers me though that, I don't think as many people think of me as doing architecture. And that kind of saddens me. I wonder with you Vito, if you ever in the evenings sit down and are a little proud of all the amazing achievements you've made. I'm always trying to do something new. I always hoped that I never do something that is a second attempt at a project that I've already done. And I would think if this doesn't mean anything, I wouldn't do it. I think you're too hard on yourself. I don't know. I'd rather be hard on myself. I have made my point. I make it again. It. Now you get the point. – It's beautiful. – Wow! – I think it's really amazing. – Oh my God. Yeah, it fills the walls. It's so nice. Thank you so much. – Are you happy? – Yes. – I'm mighty proud. – Really? Because it's I, who should be proud of you. I think if you look at the poetry and you look at the reading, the focus is very much more on not stopping than on detail. And by declaring certain details to be worked out, it's guaranteed that the process goes on. I think that's very important. The process for Vito is like a Möbius strip. Something that's continuous, and that keeps on going. It's never ending. That's Vito. It's almost like he wants to make it better last time he did it. It didn't exist before in this sort of way, so I think he's being quite particular about it and wanting to translate what he did before. But when you're making something, it can change. When it's finished and it's made, then it is what it is. Something changing means it's alive. I am here. Again. Again. Again. Three days and three nights. And then we got, until last night we got there. So it will take two more days and that will take three more nights. It's beautiful, right? I looked up at it, and then it was down, when I looked there, every which way until I had asked, “What?” After it disappeared, it did. Vito, Maria, your show is incredible!