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  • ECONOMIST.

  • JASON TRENNERT, ALL-STAR

  • STRATEGIST.

  • WE'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT BACK TO

  • WASHINGTON, D.C.

  • AS WE MUST TO TALK TO

  • CONGRESSMAN BYRON DONALDS OF THE

  • GREAT STATE OF FLORIDA.

  • BYRON, WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.

  • HAPPY NEW YEAR, WHY DID YOU VOTE

  • FOR JIM JORDAN.

  • I THOUGHT URN VOTING FOR KEVIN

  • McCARTHY.

  • IT ISN'T CLEAR HE HAS THE VOTES.

  • DO I THINK KEVIN HAS ABILITY TO

  • GET THERE?

  • YEAH.

  • THERE IS A LOT OF WORK TO BE

  • DONE.

  • IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK MEMBERS

  • TO VOTE OVER, OVER AND OVER

  • AGAIN TO WEAR PEOPLE DOWN.

  • I THINK IT HAS THE OPPOSITE

  • EFFECT.

  • MY VIEW FOR US CALL RECESS, GET

  • IN A ROOM.

  • FIGURE IT OUT.

  • YOU KNOW, HAVE THOSE

  • CONVERSATIONS AND GO BACK TO THE

  • FLOOR WHEN WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE

  • SOMEBODY PREPARED TO GET 218.

  • BUT IT IS NOT KEVIN McCARTHY

  • RIGHT NOW.

  • QUITE FRANKLY, IT ISN'T LIKE IT

  • IS ANYBODY.

  • WE SHOULD NOT BE ON THE FLOOR

  • VOTING.

  • THAT IS MY APPOINTMENT.

  • I THINK WHERE WE SHOULD BE

  • GOING.

  • WITH RESPECT TO JIM JORDAN, HE

  • WILL MAKE A TREMENDOUS SPEAKER.

  • HE WILL BE A GOOD PERSON TO

  • REPRESENT HOUSE REPUBLICANS TO

  • DO THE JOB ON AMERICAN PEOPLE.

  • LARRY: JIM JORDAN IS A BRILLIANT

  • CONSERVATIVE AND GOOD AT

  • ANYTHING HE TRIES TO DO.

  • HE IS A VERY DEAR FRIEND OF MINE

  • FOR SEVERAL DECADES.

  • I UNDERSTAND THAT.

  • HE NOMINATED McCARTHY ON THE

  • SECOND BALLOT.

  • I DON'T KNOW THAT JIM IS REALLY

  • RUNNING.

  • LISTEN, BYRON, YOU ARE A GREAT

  • FRIEND, YOU'RE A GREAT FRIEND OF

  • THE SHOW.

  • I'M JUST CONCERNED, NOT FOR YOU

  • PER SE BUT FOR SOME OTHERS THAT

  • THIS IS ABOUT PERSONALITIES AND

  • NOT ABOUT POLICIES BECAUSE I

  • THINK, KEVIN McCARTHY IS

  • CERTAINLY A CONSERVATIVE RECORD.

  • HE HAS BROUGHT THE REPUBLICAN

  • HOUSE UP THE LAST TWO CYCLES.

  • I'M JUST NOT SURE I SEE THE CASE

  • AGAINST HIM.

  • HE HAS GIVEN YOU, I DON'T KNOW

  • GIVEN TO YOU WHAT YOUR REQUEST

  • WAS, HE ACCEDED TO AT LEAST ONE

  • DEMAND THAT IS WITH FIVE

  • REPUBLICAN VOTES ON THE FLOOR,

  • VACATE THE CHAIR AND HAVE A VOTE

  • OF NO KIDS.

  • YOU TELL ME, BYRON WHAT IS THE

  • CASE AGAINST McCARTHY AT THIS

  • POINT?

  • >> WELL I'VE, I DIDN'T ASK KEVIN

  • FOR ANYTHING.

  • I VOTED FOR HIM ON THE FIRST TWO

  • BALLOTS.

  • AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU EVER

  • TO CLOSE THE DEAL THIS IS IT

  • NOTHING NEW, THERE ARE

  • DISAGREEMENTS COULD HE GET TO

  • 218 VOTES ON THE FLOOR FOR TWO

  • MONTHS NOW.

  • THE BIGGEST ISSUE, IF YOU CAN'T

  • CLOSE THIS DEAL, AT WHAT POINT

  • DO MEMBERS START LOOKING

  • ELSEWHERE?

  • BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A ORGANIZE

  • CONGRESS.

  • WE DO HAVE TO ELECT A SPEAKER OF

  • THE HOUSE BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE

  • 218 VOTES.

  • NOT JUST ABOUT HAVING A MAJORITY

  • OF THE REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE.

  • A MAJORITY OF THE COMMITTEE AS A

  • WHOLE, THE WHOLE BODY.

  • TOUGH GET THERE.

  • RIGHT NOW HE IS NOT THERE.

  • YOU HAVE US LOOKING AT

  • ALTERNATIVES.

  • WHEN I WAS IN BUSINESS IF YOU

  • COULDN'T GET THE DEAL DONE YOU

  • HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

  • THAT IS NOT A PERSONAL SLIGHT

  • AGAINST KEVIN McCARTHY.

  • THAT IS THE REALITY ON THE HOUSE

  • FLOOR RIGHT NOW.

  • I BELIEVE WE SHOULD TAKE A

  • RECESS, GO SPEAK AS MEMBERS,

  • FIGURE THIS THING OUT.

  • COME BACK IN TO HAVE ANOTHER

  • ROUND OF BALLOTS.

  • BUT CONTINUOUSLY VOTE AFTER VOTE

  • AFTER VOTE LIKE THIS IS NOT IN

  • THE BEST INTEREST OF THE

  • REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE RIGHT NOW.

  • LARRY: BYRON, IS THIS THIRD

  • BALLOT OVER?

  • IS IT COMPLETED?

  • >> NO ACTUALLY HAPPENING RIGHT

  • NOW AS WE SPEAK.

  • LARRY: MAKE GIVE US A

  • PLAY-BY-PLAY FOR A FOOTBALL

  • GAME, HOW MANY NAY VOTES

  • MR. McCARTHY HAVE AT THIS

  • POINT?

  • >> THE LAST NUMBER I SAW, MAYBE

  • SIX, SEVEN.

  • ALREADY PUT THE YOU IN THE

  • NEGATIVE COLUMN.

  • I THINK WE'RE ONLY HALFWAY

  • THROUGH THE ALPHABET.

  • THERE WAS MORE TO GO.

  • LOOK AT THE END OF THE DAY DO I

  • BELIEVE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO

  • FIGURE THIS OUT?

  • OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO ELECT A

  • SPEAKER.

  • WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT WORK

  • DONE BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT

  • FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO

  • UNDERSTAND UNLIKE THE DEMOCRATS

  • WHO DO LEADERSHIP BY ACCLAMATION

  • WE'RE HAVING A DELIBERATIVE

  • PROCESS WHAT LEADERSHIP LOOKS

  • LIKE IN THE HOUSE OF

  • REPRESENTATIVES.

  • WE KNOW WASHINGTON DOES NOT

  • WORK.

  • HAVING A DELIBERATIVE DISCUSSION

  • IN SOME PARTS IS MESSY AT TIMES

  • IN THE LONG TERM, IN THE BEST

  • INTERESTS OF AMERICA AND OF THE

  • BODY OF THE HOUSE OF

  • REPRESENTATIVES.

  • LARRY: I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM

  • WITH IT.

  • AS I WAS TALKING TO

  • NEWT GINGRICH EARLIER ON THE

  • SHOW, YOU KNOW, BYRON, YOU'RE

  • ALL GOING TO BE FRONT PAGE NEWS.

  • THAT IS KIND OF A COOL THING.

  • THAT IS NOT WHAT JOE BIDEN

  • WANTS.

  • ALL OF SUDDEN THE REST OF THE

  • COUNTRY AND THE REST OF THE

  • WORLD WILL SEE REPUBLICANS

  • TAKING OVER THE HOUSE AGAIN AND

  • THEY WILL ELECT A FINE SPEAKER

  • LEADER AT SOME POINT WHOEVER IT

  • MAY BE, AND YOU MEAN BUSINESS.

  • I DON'T THINK JOE BIDEN WANTED

  • YOU TO HAVE THE PUBLICITY AT

  • ALL.

  • I SEE A LOT OF GOOD COMING OUT

  • OF THIS, HOW ABOUT THAT?

  • >> I THINK YOU MAKE REALLY VALID

  • POINTS.