Because usually when I think of preachers, I think of like super, pretty, super like perfect.

I have lots of relationships through my congregation, through my work with women and men, young people who were in the system.

And so I'm gonna ask you a question, Make an assumption about me.

I would say is a female pastor, You would probably be very judgy.

Whoa.

Really?

I think sometimes women in the church think we have to be a certain kind of pretty good, something I'm not gonna wear makeup, I'm gonna act like I've never had sex.

I'm gonna, you know, I have to stuff down my woman stuff.

So people take me seriously.

What's your judgment about me that you've been hurt by people like me?

That's a very accurate assumption.

Yeah.

Actually went viral for it.

When I came out with my story, the church shown me literally the church, I was disrespected.

I was just mailed from here to next week.

It was like I went in there really just to meet someone and walked out next thing, you know, empowering a group full of women and basically shutting down the women's panel at the profit at college.

It was pretty cool.

What do you know about my current profession?

What do you know about us?

I'm gonna be embarrassed right here?

Say your daughter comes up to you?

It's like mom, I'm a dominatrix.

What would you think she's doing?

Oh, I think she has a closet full of beautiful tools and toys.

Uh, some of which I might enjoy my own self, but like I'm going red.

I'm going spandex.

I'm going pointy breast gear should be like, hey bob, pop, take your pants off, get on that bed.

Damn it.

Give him a little but touch.

There's no sex involved in anything that I do.

VDs M is really all about fetish.

I've had clients who have paid me to chew bubble gum for a couple of hours.

I have clients who have paid me to brush their teeth.

It could be anything from, you have a fetish of.

You want to give me all your money?

Would you be giving that money back to them in any kind of transaction girl?

No, I don't think so.

I worked for my dollars.

One thing I've learned about pastors is that pastors are like they do everything they go from being the counselor, the teacher, the psychologist.

Do we have finishes.

Yes.

Oh yes.

I learned that the closer you are to God, the more sexual you are.

I think that's right.

Well it was actually a pastor that got me into B.

D.

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M.

O.

Is that right?

Do you wanna tell that story?

Well, I'll just say he was just a very very kinky little preacher man.

We'll just put it like that.

So yeah.

Do you think religion causes more conflict than it solves.

I do.

I mean I don't think it has to.

So I'm not saying all religion, but I'm saying religion historically has caused more conflict than it solved.

I don't think religion by itself Andrea is a weapon, but I think people weaponize religion and that's tragic.

Religion literally means to bind together.

And I gotta say I walked away from church too.

I had a car accident when I was 22 and I almost died and Andrea, I was convinced, I was convinced that the car accident was God's punishment for you not going to church.

No, for me having sex with my fiance, two weeks before I got married.

Just that face that you made, that's exactly where I was years of dont have sex, dont have sex, dont have sex to have sex.

And I just thought, oh wow, I really failed God right there.

And that's why this car is flipping over in the Q E W and I'm almost dying now.

That's just some Bs right there.

Theology.

And if that kind of theology kills and I don't do that kind of theology, what is a dream?

You've let go of, It might cry, I come from the system.

Um, growing up in foster care, I couldn't, you know, go to college and like it sucks.

You know, they're like, I wanted to be a lawyer, couldn't because I didn't have the resources.

I didn't have the things that most kids do and that kids take for granted and then to be a dominatrix who was a foster kid.

People already look at me like she was a foster kid.

So obviously she was troublesome, you know, there's a stigma around us as well.

And then to get into B.

D.

S.

M.

There's just this huge stigma.

But I love to break it every time.

So I am so moved by your bad accessory to get the life you wanted.

Could you ever see yourself doing my profession?

Absolutely.

Why not?

Why not?

Absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

No.

The board would fire me day one because I'd like to disrupt things that do not sit well with me.

So they would Day one.

They'd be like Ma'am it was nice but you gotta go, you gotta go, you gotta go, You disrupted the church.

We would all be a room full of sinners.

It would be the worst church ever.

Or it could be the best church ever.

I think if I wasn't at my church, I wouldn't be a pastor.

No, no.

Could you do my job?

I think maybe so because I think you honest.

I think you make a great, I'm just trying to tell us this to the truth.

A good one.

Is it good?

This is my favorite question to ask people.

Okay, do you have any fetishes?

Oh don't give us a politically correct answer.

We want to dig deep.

I have a fetish for orgasm until you just can't do it again.

Yeah.

What about you?

I have a fetish for cologne, a foot fetish in a sense, But I have a solo male fetish.

We'll let minds wonder where that goes.

I know some people who have finishes for my breasts, I'll say that they're, they're cute.

Was your initial assumption about me correct?

Yeah, yeah.

But I walked by your room and I thought I saw some light that was gonna come popping out of this conversation and it did.

So I would say, yeah, okay, yeah, I would say no, I would say no.

I was like, I just got the robe on billing sister out, coming in, was about to come, got me with the ruler.

She's gonna bend me over and spank me.

No, but I would say no, actually, no.

I actually did think, you know, because my experience with women in the church have not always been good, but I'm glad that we did this because now I can say I was wrong so much prettier when I was a young person, I was always swirling this color palette for me down here.

It was like, you know, when I came in it was like on the scarlet letter.

A but then I felt more at home and think, oh, that's very good in my experience.

If you listen to someone's story, You are less than 6° of separation from something where you are very much alike.