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  • >>> A FORMER DEMOCRATIC

  • CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE WENT

  • VIRAL WHEN SHEOSTED A FALSE

  • CLAIM ABOUT THE MORNING AFTER

  • PILL.

  • PAM KEITH TWEETED, QUOTE,

  • TENNESSEE JUST BANNED PLAN B AND

  • MADE IT A CRIME PUNISHABLE BY A

  • $50,000 FINE TO ORDER IT.

  • THE PROBLEM WITH IT, IT IS NOT

  • ACCURATE.

  • JOINING US NOW TO EXPLAIN, CNN

  • REPORTER DANIEL DALE WITH A FACT

  • CHECK.

  • DANIEL?

  • >> YOU'RE RIGHT, TENNESSEE HAS

  • NOT BANNED PLAN B, PLAN B

  • CONTINUES TO BE AVAILABLE TO

  • TENNESSEE RESIDENTS THERE IS NO

  • FINE FOR ORDERING PLAN B.

  • THE VIRAL TWEET IS PLAIN

  • INACCURATE.

  • HERE ARE THE FACTS.

  • LAST WEEK GOVERNOR BILL LEE OF

  • TENNESSEE SIGNEDED A NEW LAW

  • THAT INCREASES THE PENALTY FOR

  • SENDING PEOPLE IN TENNESSEE

  • ABORTION MEDICATION BY MAIL OR

  • COURIER.

  • MAKES THAT A FELONY WITH A FINE

  • OF UP TO $50,000.

  • UNDER BOTH PREVIOUS TENNESSEE

  • LAW AND THIS NEW LAW, DOCTORS

  • HAVE TO DISTRIBUTE ABORTION

  • MEDICATION TO PATIENTS IN PERSON

  • ONLY.

  • BUT HERE'S THE THING, JOHN, PLAN

  • B IS NOT ABORTION MEDICATION, IT

  • IS CALL THE MORNING AFTER PILL

  • FOR A REASON, IF PURPOSES

  • PREVENTING PREGNANCY NOT

  • TERMINATING PREGNANCY.

  • THE LANGUAGE OF THE NEW

  • TENNESSEE LAW MAKES CLEAR THAT

  • THIS RESTRICTION AND THE FINE

  • JUST DON'T COVER PLAN B AND

  • OTHER EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTION AT

  • ALL.

  • SECOND, THE FINE OF UP TO

  • $50,000 IS FOR PEOPLE WHO

  • PROVIDE ABORTION PILLS BY MAIL,

  • COURIER OR DELIVERY.

  • AGAIN, TALKING ABORTION PILLS,

  • NOT PLAN B.

  • AND CRITICALLY, THE LAW

  • EXPLICITLY SAYS THAT PATIENTS

  • ARE EXEMPT FROM PENALTIES.

  • THE PENALTIES ARE FOR THE

  • PROVIDERS WHO BREAK THE LAW, NOT

  • FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ORDER THE

  • MEDICATION.

  • NOW, MISS KEITH'S TWEET WAS UP

  • FOR A FEW DAYS, GOT MORE THAN

  • 26,000 RETWEETS.

  • SHE DELETED IT AFTER I REACHED

  • HER BY PHONE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON

  • AND EXPLAINED THE LAW.

  • SHE SAID SHE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE

  • A DOCTOR, TO BE IN TENNESSEE OR

  • TO BE AN EXPERT IN NEW TENNESSEE

  • LAW.

  • BUT I DON'T KNOW, TWEET WAS

  • PRETTY DEFINITIVE SOUNDING AND

  • THIS SUBJECT IS SO PERSONAL THAT

  • INACCURATE CLAIMS CAN REALLY

  • AFFECT PEOPLE'S EMOTIONS AND

  • POSSIBLY THE LIFE DECISIONS THEY

  • MAKE.

  • ONE ABORTION RIGHTS GROUP IN

  • TENNESSEE TOLD ME THEY DECIDED

  • TO PUT OUT AN INSTAGRAM

  • STATEMENT CLARIFYING THAT THE

  • NEW LAW DOESN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE

  • MUCH FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE PEOPLE

  • THEY'RE IN TOUCH WITH WERE

  • TAKING IN MISINFORMATION AND

  • GETTING CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THE

  • LAW ACTUALLY DOES.

  • >> NOT JUST GETTING THE TRUTH,

  • BUT GETTING RESULTS, DANIEL

  • DALE.

  • SO, LOOK, IF ROE IS STRUCK DOWN

  • BY THE SUPREME COURT, ABORTION

  • LAW WOULD BE SET BY EACH STATE.

  • WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT

  • TENNESSEE'S POSSIBLE POST ROE

  • FUTURE?

  • >> IF ROE IS INVALIDATED,

  • TENNESSEE IS PLANNING TO BAN

  • ALMOST ALL ABORTIONS.

  • IT IS ONE OF MORE THAN A DOZEN

  • STATES THAT HAS SO-CALLED

  • TRIGGER LAW IN PLACE, A LAW THAT

  • SNAPS INTO EFFECT IF ROE IS

  • OVERTURNED AND THIS TRIGGER LAW

  • SAYS 30 DAYS AFTER ROE GOES

  • DOWN, ABORTION IS BANNED.

  • THERE IS AN EXCEPTION FOR THE

  • LIFE OF THE MOTHER, BUT NO

  • EXCEPTION FOR RAPE OR FOR

  • INCEST.

  • >> AND THAT HAPPENS 30 DAYS

  • AFTER ROE IS STRUCK DOWN.

  • DANIEL DALE, AS I SAID, NOT JUST

  • THE TRUTH, BUT RESULTS, THANKS

  • SO MUCH FOR THAT.

  • >> THANKS, JOHN.

  • >>> LET'S BRING IN CNN CHIEF

  • POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT DANA

  • BASH, AND CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE

  • CORRESPONDENT KAITLAN COLLINS.

  • I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT

  • SOMETHING SENATOR TED CRUZ SAID

  • THERE ARE SOME IN THE REPUBLICAN

  • PARTY WHO ARE NERVOUS ABOUT THE

  • POSSIBILITY OF OVERTURNING ROE

  • V. WADE.

  • >> I CAN TELL YOU DEMOCRATS IN

  • WASHINGTON ARE HOLDING ON TO

  • THAT AS THEIR HAIL MARY CHANCE

  • TO SAVE THE MIDTERMS.

  • THEY BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WILL BE

  • HORRIFIED AND THAT WILL HELP

  • THEM WIN.

  • AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, MORE THAN

  • A FEW REPUBLICAN SENATORS ARE

  • NERVOUS THAT'S THE CASE.

  • >> WE KNEW THIS, BUT IT IS SO

  • INTERESTING TO HEAR HIM SAY IT.

  • >> IT IS.

  • HE ALSO SAID IN THAT SAME

  • PODCAST, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO

  • HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT OF PEOPLE

  • IN THE PRO LIFE COMMUNITY WHO

  • HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR THIS FOR

  • 50 YEARS.

  • HE MIGHT BE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.

  • BUT IF HISTORY IS ANY GUIDE FOR

  • US HERE ON THE WAY POLITICS AND

  • POLITICAL MOVEMENTS AND FERVOR

  • WORKS, IT IS NOT ON THE SIDE OF

  • THE VICTOR, AND IN THIS CASE

  • POLITICALLY SPEAKING THE

  • CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT HAS BEEN

  • WORKING ON THIS FOR 50 YEARS,

  • SINCE ROE FIRST WAS -- HAPPENED

  • IN THE EARLY '70s.

  • NOW THE QUESTION REALLY IS ABOUT

  • HOW MUCH OF A GALVANIZER THIS IS

  • ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE,

  • FOR THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN FOR

  • GRANTED THAT THIS WOULD JUST BE

  • THE LAW OF THE LAND FOREVER.

  • AGAIN, HISTORY TELLS US THAT

  • THAT IS WHERE THE ENERGY IS MORE

  • LIKELY TO BE.

  • NOT ON THE SIDE OF THOSE WHO --

  • WHOSE ENERGY FOR 50 YEARS PAID

  • OFF.

  • >> THIS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING

  • THAT A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES HAVE

  • WANTED TO SEE FOR SO LONG.

  • IT HAS BEEN ONE OF THEIR

  • DEFINING PRINCIPLES.

  • MAYBE IT ANIMATES THE BASE, BUT

  • NOT THE SWING VOTERS WHO ARE

  • HESITANT ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE

  • THIS, HAD THIS RULING HAPPENING,

  • THIS COMING DOWN, WHAT IT MEANS

  • FOR THE FUTURE OF THAT.

  • THAT'S WHERE THE CONCERN FROM

  • SOME OF THESE REPUBLICAN

  • SENATORS COMES FROM.

  • >> ONE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT,

  • BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING INTO THE

  • NITTY-GRITTY OF THE MIDTERMS,

  • THERE IS SUCH A DIFFERENCE

  • BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE

  • AND THE DYNAMICS THAT COULD PLAY

  • OUT WITH THIS AND OTHER ISSUES.

  • THERE IS SO FEW SWING DISTRICTS

  • LEFT IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF

  • REDISTRICTING AND LOTS OF OTHER

  • REASONS THAT THE POOL OF

  • POLITICIANS FOR WHOM THIS COULD

  • MAKE A MAKE OR BREAK DIFFERENCE

  • IS SMALL.

  • ON THE SENATE SIDE, YOU HAVE

  • LARGE STATES, YOU HAVE LOTS OF

  • SUBURBAN POCKETS, LOTS OF

  • POCKETS WHERE PEOPLE WHO ARE

  • ENERGIZED COULD MAKE A

  • DIFFERENCE.

  • >> WHEN WE COVERED CONGRESS

  • TOGETHER, THERE WERE SO MANY

  • DEMOCRATS WHO WERE, YOU ANY,

  • PRO-LIFE.

  • I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY,

  • BECAUSE HERE IN A FEW HOURS

  • WE'RE GOING TO SEE PRESIDENT

  • BIDEN GIVING A SPEECH ADDRESS

  • INFLATION.

  • THERE ARE SO MANY AMERICANS SOUR

  • ON THE ECONOMY.

  • WHAT DO WE EXPECT HE'S GOING TO

  • SAY?

  • >> THE THING IS, IT IS THE FACT

  • HE'S GIVING THIS SPEECH, THAT HE

  • FEELS THE NEED TO COME OUT TO

  • ADDRESS THIS, TO TALK ABOUT WHAT

  • HIS GAME PLAN IS, WHEN YOU HEAR

  • WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS SAY, YOU

  • KNOW, THERE ARE LIMITS TO WHAT

  • HE CAN DO TO TRY TO BLUNT THIS.

  • BUT THEY SAY THEY KNOW HE HAS TO

  • BE OUT THERE TALKING ABOUT IT

  • BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEY WANT

  • TO SHOW HE IS ADDRESSING IT,

  • BECAUSE FOR ALL THE TALK ABOUT

  • WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE

  • SUPREME COURT RULING, ONE THING

  • WE DO KNOW IS RIGHT NOW THE

  • NUMBER ONE CONCERN THAT VOTERS

  • HAVE IS INFLATION.

  • AND THE ECONOMY.

  • AND THEY DON'T THINK IT IS GOING

  • WELL.

  • AND SO YOU'LL SEE PRESIDENT

  • BIDEN COME OUT AND TALK ABOUT HE

  • HAS DONE SO FAR, WHAT HE PLANS

  • TO DO, BUT LOOK AT THE REPORTS

  • THIS MORNING ABOUT GAS PRICES

  • REACHING A NEW HIGH.

  • GOING UP 17 CENTS JUST IN THE

  • LAST WEEK ALONE, IN THE LAST

  • SEVERAL DAYS, AND THAT'S A MAJOR

  • CONCERN FOR THEM, BECAUSE, YES,

  • PRESIDENT BIDEN RELEASED OIL

  • FROM THE STRATEGIC RESERVES LAST

  • MONTH, PRICES DIPPED A LITTLE

  • BIT, AS WE SAID AT THE TIME, AS

  • WHAT ANALYSTS WERE TELLING US,

  • EXPERT OZ ON THIS MATTER, IT IS

  • GOING TO BE TEMPORARY AND

  • THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK UP.

  • RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING THAT,

  • YOU'RE HEARING CONCERNS ARE

  • GOING TO GO UP EVEN FURTHER THIS

  • SUMMER.

  • IT IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT IS GOING

  • AWAY FOR THEM.

  • THEY KNOW IT IS NUMBER ONE.

  • >> THEY'RE HEARING, I'M SURE

  • WHAT WE'RE BOTH HEARING, FROM

  • THE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE ON THE

  • BALLOT, IN NOVEMBER, BEGGING THE

  • PRESIDENT TO GET MORE INVOLVED

  • ON THE ISSUE OF THE ECONOMY,

  • BEGGING HIM TO GET OUT MORE --

  • MORE OUT FRONT ON IT.

  • THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY I CAN

  • RUN SEPARATELY, TRIANGULATE,

  • HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

  • FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE RINNING

  • CAMPAIGNS SAY THE PRESIDENT IS

  • TIED TO THE ECONOMY.

  • >> DO YOU THINK RIGHT NOW IF WE

  • CAN SWITCH TOPICS AND TALK ABOUT

  • VLADIMIR PUTIN AND HOW THE WHITE

  • HOUSE, HOW THE PRESIDENT HAS

  • SEEN PUTIN AFTER THAT SPEECH HE

  • GAVE YESTERDAY ON A KEY DAY ON

  • VICTORY DAY, WHAT ARE THEY

  • THINKING NOW AFTER PUTIN REALLY

  • DIDN'T SAY WHAT THEY THOUGHT HE

  • MIGHT.

  • HE DIDN'T DECLARE VICTORY.

  • HE DIDN'T DO SOME SORT OF

  • VICTORY LAP OR ANYTHING.

  • WHAT ARE THEY THINKING HE'S

  • GOING TO DO NOW?

  • >> THERE WAS A BIT OF A DIVIDED

  • VIEW IN THE WHITE HOUSE OF WHAT

  • YESTERDAY'S SPEECH FROM HIM WAS

  • GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

  • SOME SAID MAYBE HE WILL TRY TO

  • DECLARE VICTORY OR ANNOUNCE HE'S

  • MOBILIZING WORKFORCES.

  • OTHERS WERE SKEPTICAL GIVEN HE

  • DOESN'T HAVE PROGRESS TO TOUT AT

  • THIS SPEECH.

  • HE DIDN'T MAKE NEW ANNOUNCEMENTS

  • THERE.

  • THEY WATCHED IT VERY CLOSELY.

  • OFFICIALS FOUND IT SUBDUED,

  • MUTED, DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING NEW,

  • THEY DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO

  • RESPOND IN ANY GREAT WAY TO TALK

  • ABOUT WHAT HE SAID BECAUSE WHAT

  • IS THE POINT OF ESCALATING IT

  • ANY FURTHER.

  • ONE BIG QUESTION THAT I THINK

  • WAS REVEALED BY PRESIDENT BIDEN

  • LAST NIGHT, HE SAID AT A CLOSED

  • DOOR FUND-RAISER IS PUTIN IS A

  • VERY CALCULATING PERSON.

  • BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE HAVING

  • TROUBLE FIGURING OUT WHERE HE'S

  • GOING NEXT.

  • AND WHAT IS A POSSIBLE EXIT FOR

  • HIM HERE, AN ENDGAME WHERE HE

  • CAN SAY I HAVE THIS TANGIBLE

  • ACHIEVEMENT, THIS IS WHAT I'M

  • GOING TO HANG MY HAT ON IN AN

  • ATTEMPT TO DECLARE VICTORY IN

  • UKRAINE?

  • BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED SO

  • MUCH FROM HE WANTS TO TAKE THE

  • CAPITAL, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

  • NOW HE'S MOVED TO FOCUS ON

  • EASTERN AND SOUTHERN UKRAINE.

  • THE PROGRESS THERE FOR THE

  • RUSSIANS HAS BEEN INCREMENTAL AT

  • BEST WHEN YOU TALK TO PENTAGON

  • OFFICIALS.

  • NOW WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS

  • TALKING ABOUT, WHAT HE'S SAYING

  • IS I DON'T KNOW HOW HE GETS OUT

  • OF THIS WAR IS THEY DON'T KNOW

  • WHAT IT IS THAT PUTIN FEELS LIKE

  • HE CAN TOUCH ON THAT HE CAN THEN

  • EXIT THIS WAR AND STILL FEEL

  • THAT HIS REPUTATION IS IN TACT.

  • AND YOU HEARD THE CIA DIRECTOR

  • SAY THIS, HE THINKS THAT RIGHT

  • NOW PUTIN'S MINDSET IS HE CANNOT

  • AFFORD TO LOSE THIS WAR.

  • >> WHICH IS WHAT HE DIDN'T

  • EXPECT, AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH

  • THE ANSWER IS THAT IT IS

  • POSSIBLE THAT DESPITE THE FACT

  • THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT

  • PUTIN AS THIS CHESS PLAYER, AS

  • SOMEBODY WHO IS PLAYING THE LONG

  • GAME WHO HAS A PLAN OUT FOR THE

  • FUTURE, THAT BECAUSE HIS

  • STRATEGY IN UKRAINE DIDN'T GO

  • THE WAY HE INTENDED, HE MIGHT

  • NOT KNOW THE ANSWER, SO

  • EVERYBODY IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

  • IS TRYING TO GET INSIDE HIS

  • HEAD, HIS HEAD MIGHT NOT HAVE

  • THE ANSWER WHERE HE WANTS TO GO

  • RIGHT NOW.

  • >> AND I THINK ONE CONCERN, WE

  • HAVE TRIED TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN

  • SUCH A MEASURED WAY BECAUSE IT

  • IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU DO WHEN

  • YOU TALK ABOUT THIS THREAT OF

  • HIM USING A TACTICAL NUCLEAR

  • WEAPON, THE THING I THINK STANDS

  • OUT THE MOST FOR ME, WHEN YOU

  • LISTEN TO THE CIA DIRECTOR AND

  • HE SAYS THE CHANCE ISN'T ZERO.

  • WE'RE NOT SAYING IT ISN'T GOING

  • TO HAPPEN.

  • WE DON'T HAVE INTELLIGENCE HE'S

  • MOVING OR POSTURING TO MAKE A

  • STRIKE LIKE THAT, BUT THEY'RE

  • NOT SAYING IT IS A ZERO CHANCE,

  • HE IS CONDUCTING THIS NUCLEAR

  • SABER RATTLING, HIS AIDES ARE,

  • IT RAISES A CONCERN FOR PEOPLE

  • LIKE THE CIA DIRECTOR.

  • THAT IS SUCH AN INTERESTING

  • ASPECT OF THIS, AS I THINK THEIR

  • CONCERN IS HE GETS KIND OF TO

  • THE END OF HIS ROPE AND THAT'S A

  • LAST RESORT MEASURE.

  • >> MAYBE A SIGN OF HIS

  • DESPERATION, BUT DOESN'T MEAN

  • HE'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO DO

  • IT, IT ISN'T A SMALL CHANCE.

  • DANA AND KAITLAN, THANK YOU

>>> A FORMER DEMOCRATIC

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