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  • FRANK ABAGNALE: Good morning.

  • It's a pleasure to be here this morning.

  • I'm gonna ask your indulgence on two things.

  • It's allergy season, so I have a real hard time

  • during this time of the year speaking.

  • And two, most of the speaking I do when I walk up to the podium

  • is very technical.

  • It deals with cyber crime and identity theft, forgery,

  • embezzlements, and things of that nature.

  • I don't often talk about my life.

  • But Google has asked me today to do something different

  • and talk a little bit about my life.

  • So I will do that.

  • And then at the end, of course, I'll take questions.

  • And those questions can be about any subject matter

  • that you like to ask.

  • As you know, I've had a lot of people tell my story.

  • I had a great movie director write a film about my life.

  • I had a great Broadway musical team make a Tony Award-winning

  • Broadway musical about my life.

  • Had a popular television show on TV,

  • "White Collar," for four years created around my life.

  • And most of those very creative people

  • have actually never met me personally.

  • But they've enjoyed telling my story from their point of view.

  • So I thought I would take a few minutes this morning

  • and actually tell you the story from my point of view.

  • I was raised just north of New York City in Westchester

  • County, New York.

  • I was actually one of four children

  • in the family, the so-called middle child of the four.

  • I was educated there by the Christian Brothers of Ireland

  • in a private Catholic school called

  • Iona where I went to school from kindergarten to high school.

  • By the time I had reached the age of 16, in the 10th grade,

  • my parents after 22 years of marriage one day

  • decided to get a divorce.

  • Unlike most divorces where the children were usually

  • the first to know, my parents were

  • very good about keeping that a secret.

  • I remember being in the 10th grade when the father walked

  • in the classroom one afternoon, asked a brother

  • to excuse me from class.

  • When I came out in the hallway, the father handed me my books

  • and told me that one of the brothers

  • would drive me to the county seat

  • in White Plains, New York where I would meet my parents,

  • and they would explain what was going on.

  • I remember the brother dropped me at the steps of a big stone

  • building and told me to go on up the steps

  • where my parents would be waiting for me in the lobby.

  • I remember climbing the steps, seeing a sign on the building

  • that said "Family Court."

  • But I really didn't understand what that meant.

  • When I arrived in the lobby, my parents were not there.

  • But I was ushered into the back of an immense courtroom

  • where my parents were standing before a judge.

  • I couldn't hear what the judge was saying, nor my parents'

  • response.

  • But eventually, the judge saw me at the back of the room

  • and motioned me to approach the bench.

  • So I walked up the stand in between my parents.

  • I remember distinctly that the judge never looked at me.

  • He never acknowledged I was standing there.

  • He simply read from his papers and said that my parents

  • were getting a divorce.

  • And because I was 16 years of age,

  • I would need to tell the court which

  • parent I chose to live with.

  • I started to cry.

  • So I turned and ran out of the courtroom.

  • Judge called for a 10-minute recess.

  • But by the time my parents got outside, I was gone.

  • My mother never saw me again for about seven years until I

  • was a young adult. Contrary to the movie,

  • my father never saw me or ever spoke to me again.

  • In the mid-1960s, running away was a very popular thing

  • for young people.

  • A lot of them got caught up in Haight-Ashbury, the hippie

  • scene, the drug scene.

  • Instead, I took a few belongings from my home,

  • packed them in a bag, boarded what was then the New Haven

  • and Hartford railroad for the short train ride

  • down to Grand Central Terminal in New York.

  • My father did own a stationary store in Manhattan.

  • It was located on the corner of 40th and Madison.

  • Like all of us, we had to work in that store.

  • So from the time I was about 13, I made deliveries

  • my dad in the summer on a bike.

  • I knew the city very well.

  • So naturally, I started looking for the same type of work.

  • There were a lot of signs on the windows-- stock

  • boy, delivery boy, part time.

  • I'd walk in and apply.

  • So tell me, young man, how old are you?

  • Uh, 16.

  • How far did you go in high school?

  • Uh, 10th grade.

  • I'll hire you.

  • I went to work for a small amount of money

  • a few hours a day.

  • But I soon realized I couldn't support myself

  • on that amount of money.

  • I also realize as long as people believed I was 16 years old,

  • they weren't going to pay me any more money.

  • At 16, I was 6 foot tall.

  • I've always had little gray hair.

  • My friends in school used to say that once

  • a week, when we dressed in a suit for mass,

  • I looked more like a teacher.

  • So I decided to lie about my age.

  • In New York, we had a driver's license at 16.

  • Back then, it didn't have a photo on it, just an IBM card.

  • So I altered one digit of my date of birth.

  • I was actually born in April of 1948.

  • But I dropped the four, converted it to a three.

  • And that made me 26 years old.

  • I walked around applying for the same type of work.

  • People gave me a little more money, a few more hours.

  • But even then, it was very difficult to make ends meet.

  • One of the few things I had taken when I left home

  • was a checkbook.

  • I had money from work in the summers.

  • I had some money in that checking account.

  • So every so often, I would write a check

  • to supplement my income--

  • $20, $25.

  • The funds were there.

  • The checks were good.

  • But it was my friends, my peers, who would constantly say to me,

  • you know, you're the only guy who

  • walks into a bank in the middle of Manhattan.

  • You have no account there.

  • You don't know a soul.

  • You talk to somebody behind the desk, and they OK your check.

  • Oh, well, my checks are good.

  • But if I walked in there, they wouldn't touch my check.

  • You walk in there, they don't bat an eye.

  • Years later, reporters would write and speculate

  • and say that that was my upbringing-- mannerisms, dress,

  • appearance, speech.

  • Whatever it was, it was very easy to do.

  • So consequently, when the money ran out,

  • I kept writing those checks.

  • Of course, the checks started to bounce.

  • Police started looking for me as a runaway.

  • So I thought maybe it was a good time

  • to start thinking about leaving New York City.

  • But I was quite apprehensive about going

  • to Chicago or Miami, wondered if they'd cash a New York

  • check on a New York driver's license in Miami

  • as quickly as they did in Manhattan.

  • I was walking up 42nd Street one afternoon about 5 o'clock

  • in the evening, 16 years old, pondering

  • all of these things, when I started

  • to approach the front door of an old hotel that used to be there

  • called the Commodore Hotel--

  • now the Grand Hyatt.

  • Just as I was about to get to the front door of the hotel,

  • out stepped an Eastern Airline flight crew onto the sidewalk.

  • I couldn't help but notice the captain, the copilot,

  • the flight engineer, about three or four flight attendants

  • dragging their bags to the curb to load them in the van

  • to take them to the airport.

  • As they loaded the van, I thought to myself, that's it.

  • I could pose as a pilot.

  • I could travel all over the world for free.

  • I probably could get just about anybody

  • anywhere to cash a check for me.

  • So I walked up the street a little further

  • to 42nd and Park.

  • I went to crossover.

  • I heard a huge helicopter.

  • So I looked up, and there was New York Airways

  • landing on the roof of the Pan Am building.

  • Pan Am, the nation's flag carrier, the airline

  • that flew around the world--

  • I thought, what a perfect airline to use.

  • So the next day, I placed a phone call

  • to the executive corporate offices of Pan Am.

  • I remember distinctly when the phone was ringing,

  • I had absolutely no idea what I was going to say.

  • When they answered, "Pan American Airlines.

  • Good morning, can I help you?"

  • Yes, ma'am.

  • I'd like to--

  • I'd like to speak to somebody in the purchasing department.

  • "Purchasing?

  • One moment."

  • The clerk came on.

  • I said, yes, sir.

  • Maybe you can help me.

  • My name is John Black.

  • I'm a copilot with a company based out of San Francisco.

  • Been with the company about seven years, but never

  • had anything like this come up before.

  • "What's the problem?"

  • Well, we flew a trip in here yesterday.

  • We're going out later today.

  • Yesterday, I sent my uniform out through the hotel

  • to have it dry cleaned.

  • Now the hotel and the cleaners say they can't find it.

  • I'm with a flight in about four hours--

  • new uniform.

  • "Don't you have a spare uniform?"

  • Certainly, back home in San Francisco.

  • But I'd never get it here in time for my flight.

  • Do you understand this will cost you the price of a uniform, not

  • the company?"

  • I understand.

  • "Hold on.

  • I'll be right back."

  • He came back and said, my supervisor

  • says you need to go down to the Well-Built Uniform

  • Company on Fifth Avenue.

  • They're our supplier.

  • I'll call them and let them know you're on the way.

  • Well, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

  • So I went down to the Well-Built Uniform Company.

  • Little fella, Mr. Rosen fitted me out

  • in the uniform, black aberdeen with three gold stripes

  • on the arm.

  • I certainly looked old enough to be the pilot.

  • When he was all done, I said, how much do I owe you?

  • "Well, the uniform's $286."

  • I said, no problem.

  • I'll write you a check.

  • "No, um, we can't take any checks."

  • Oh, well, then I'll just pay you cash.

  • We can't accept cash.

  • You need to fill out this computer card.

  • Then in these boxes, put your employee number.

  • Then we bill this back under uniform allowance,

  • comes out of your next Pan Em paycheck.

  • Well, that's even better.

  • Go ahead and do that.

  • New York had two airports--

  • LaGuardia and Kennedy.

  • LaGuardia was 20 minutes from Manhattan, Kennedy was 50.

  • Naturally, LaGuardia being the closer of the two,

  • that's where I went.

  • I spent most of the morning walking around LaGuardia

  • in the uniform, trying to figure out now

  • that I had this uniform, how the hell do

  • you get on these planes?

  • I got a little hungry.

  • So about lunchtime, I walked in the luncheonette

  • in the terminal, sat down at the counter on the stool

  • and ordered a sandwich.

  • Moments later, a TWA crew walked in.

  • The flight attendants sat in the booth,

  • but the pilots up at the counter on either side of me,

  • and captain right next to me.

  • Now back before deregulation of the airlines,

  • airline people thought of themselves

  • as just one big family.

  • So they didn't hesitate a moment to talk to each other.

  • The captain kinda leaned over.

  • "Hey, young man.

  • How's Pan Am doing?"

  • Doing just fine, captain.

  • "Tell me, what's Pan Am doing out here at LaGuardia?

  • Pan Am doesn't fly into LaGuardia.

  • They only fly into Kennedy."

  • Well, I picked up on that right away.

  • Yeah, we came into Kennedy at a layover.

  • So I came over to visit some friends.

  • Matter of fact, I'm on my way back to Kennedy now.

  • "So tell me, young man, what type of equipment are you on?"

  • Airline people have a lot of jargon for things.

  • One of them is they never call a plane a plane or an aircraft,

  • they call it equipment.

  • And what type of equipment you're on meant

  • what type of plane do you fly.

  • Back then, a DC-8, a 707.

  • Of course, I didn't know that.

  • And I thought, type of equipment?

  • The only equipment I'm on is this stool.

  • They must mean what type of equipment

  • is on the planes I fly.

  • So I thought, well, they got the wings, they got the engine.

  • They always had a sticker on the engine

  • who manufactured the engine.

  • So I said, yeah, it's General Electric.

  • All three pilots kind of just stopped eating and leaned over.

  • And the captain said, oh, really?

  • What do you fly, a washing machine?

  • So I knew I had said the wrong thing.

  • Out the door I went.

  • Everybody had an airline ID card,

  • a plastic laminated card much like a driver's license today.

  • Yet without the ID card, the uniform was worthless.

  • I went back to Manhattan pretty discouraged

  • thinking where would I come up with a Pan American Airlines

  • corporate ID?

  • I was sitting in the hotel room.

  • I noticed a big thick Manhattan Yellow Pages.

  • So I pulled them down on the bed, flipped them open,

  • and looked under the word identification.

  • There were three or four pages of companies

  • who made convention badges, metal badges, plastic badges,

  • police badges, fire badges.

  • Started to call around.

  • And finally, one company said, listen,

  • most of those airline IDs manufactured

  • by Polaroid, 3M company.

  • You need to call one of them.

  • Finally got the 3M company on the phone in Manhattan.

  • "Yeah, we manufacture Pan Am's identification system

  • along with a number of other carriers.

  • How come?"

  • So I tell them, I'm a purchasing officer for a major US carrier.

  • I'm in New York just for the day.

  • We're getting ready to expand our routes,

  • hire a lot of new employees, go to a formal ID.

  • We're very impressed with this Pan Am format.

  • Wondered if I came by your office this afternoon briefly,

  • we could discuss quantity and price.

  • "By all means, come on by."

  • So I went by dressed in a suit.

  • And the sales rep opened the book.

  • Yeah, we do United, Braniff, National, Pan Am.

  • Pan Am!

  • We like this Pan Am format.

  • Wonder if you have a sample I could bring back.

  • Sure, I'll be right back.

  • And he brought me back a 5" by 7"

  • glossy piece of paper with a picture of an ID card blown up

  • in the middle of it, someone else's picture in the picture,

  • John Doe for a name, and in bold red ink across the front,

  • "This is a sample only."

  • I said, no, I'm afraid this won't do.

  • I need to bring back an actual physical card.

  • And by the way, what is all this equipment on the floor?

  • "We don't just sell these cards.

  • We sell the system-- camera, laminator."

  • We have to buy all this?

  • "Absolutely."

  • But tell you what, since we have to buy it all, why don't we

  • just demonstrate how it works and use me?

  • "Fine, have a seat right here."

  • Took my picture, and made the card.

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • I was going down the elevator studying the card.

  • It had a blue border across the top,

  • about a half inch in Pan Am's color blue,

  • but not a single thing on the card said Pan-Am--

  • no logo, no insignia, no company name.

  • This was a plastic card like a credit card.

  • So you couldn't type on it, couldn't write on it,

  • couldn't print on it.

  • Discouraged, I put it in my pocket, headed back

  • to the hotel.

  • As I was walking back, I noticed that I'd passed a hobby shop.

  • So I turned around and walked back.

  • Excuse me, sir, I see you sell a lot of models here.

  • Do you sell models of commercial jetliners?

  • "Sure, over there."

  • And I bought a model of a Pan Am 707 cargo jet.

  • Took it back to my room, opened the box,

  • threw all the parts out.

  • But they're at the bottom of the box

  • was a sheet of decals that went on the model.

  • And when soaked in a glass of water,

  • the little Pan Am blue globe that

  • went on the tail of the plastic plane

  • went perfect up at the top of the plastic card.

  • And the word "Pan Am" and the special styling

  • and graphics that would have went on the fuselage

  • went perfect across the top of the card.

  • And the clear decal on the laminated plastic

  • made a beautiful identification card.

  • Pan Am says they estimate that between the ages of 16 and 18,

  • I flew more than a million miles for free,

  • boarded more than 260 commercial aircraft in more than 26

  • countries around the world.

  • Pan Am says, keep in mind the fact that Frank Abagnale did

  • in fact pose as one of our pilots

  • for a long period of time, he never once stepped

  • on board one of our aircraft.

  • That's true.

  • I never flew on Pan Am because I was

  • afraid someone might say to me, "You know,

  • I'm based in San Francisco.

  • Been out there 16 years.

  • I don't recall ever meeting you before."

  • Or someone might say, you know, "Your ID card

  • is not exactly like my ID card."

  • So instead, I flew on everyone else.

  • If I wanted to go somewhere, I literally just

  • walked out to the airport, walked up

  • on the board, United Flight 800 to Chicago.

  • Then I went downstairs to the door marked United operations

  • and walked in.

  • The operations clerk, "Hey, Pan Am, what can we do for you?"

  • I was wondering if the jumpseat's

  • open on 800 [INAUDIBLE] Chicago.

  • I was open this evening.

  • Like to get a pink slip pass.

  • I'd give them my ID, write me out a pass.

  • I'd walk out, hand it to the flight attendant.

  • She'd open the door to the cockpit.

  • And I'd step in.

  • They had a captain, a copilot, a flight engineer, and the seat

  • behind the captain called the jumpseat pilots dead head

  • on company time.

  • Because pilots love to talk shop,

  • once you picked up that jargon, it

  • was the same conversation over and over and over.

  • So I just step on board.

  • Even [? John ?] Bob Davis be running to Chicago.

  • On the taxi out, always the same questions.

  • "So Bob, how long you been with Pan Am?"

  • Been flying about seven years.

  • "What position you fly?"

  • Right seat, which is airline terminology for a copilot.

  • "What type of equipment are you on?"

  • Had that one down perfect.

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • Matter of fact, whatever they flew, I didn't fly.

  • So I had no problems with that.

  • Then we'd arrive in Chicago, I'd go by the Pan Am ticket

  • counter, but just enough to get the attention of the passenger

  • service rep.

  • Excuse me, I haven't laid over here in over a year.

  • We're still at the--

  • "Palmer House Hilton downtown.

  • Catch a crew bus lower level door three, out."

  • I go down to the Palmer House Hilton, walk in,

  • and on the corner of the registration

  • desk was a little sign that said "Airline crews."

  • That was a three-ring binder.

  • You signed in, referenced your flight number, showed your ID.

  • They'd give me a key.

  • I'd stay two or three days, and Pan Am

  • would be direct billed for my room and my meals.

  • I also could cash a personal check at the front desk

  • because I was an employee of the airline.

  • The airline had a contract with the hotel.

  • And as a courtesy, they'd cash your check.

  • But then I found out that every airline

  • honors every other airline employee's personal check.

  • Actually, a reciprocal agreement still practiced today in 2017.

  • So at the San Francisco airport, a Delta flight attendant

  • can walk up to an American Airlines ticket counter,

  • show her ID, and cash a personal check up to $100

  • and vice versa.

  • Of course, when I found that out, I'd go out to JFK or LAX.

  • Only, I'd go to everybody--

  • Northeast, National, KLM, Air France.

  • It would take me a good eight hours stopping at every counter

  • in every building.

  • By the time I got all the way around the other end

  • of the airport, at least eight hours had gone by.

  • What did you have in eight hours?

  • Shift change, new people.

  • So I'd go all the way back around the other way again.

  • As you know, I went on to impersonate

  • a doctor in a Georgia hospital for a while.

  • I took the bar exams in Louisiana, passed the bar,

  • went to work for Attorney General PF

  • Gremillion in the civil division of the state court

  • where I spent about a year practicing law.

  • In both the job as the lawyer and the doctor,

  • no one ever doubted for a second I was not

  • eligible or qualified to do so.

  • I on my own resigned and moved on.

  • Of course, like any criminal, sooner or later,

  • you get caught.

  • And I was no exception to that rule.

  • I was actually arrested just once in my life

  • when I was 21 years old by the French police

  • in a small town in southern France called Montpellier.

  • The French police were actually arresting me

  • on an Interpol warrant issued by the Swedish police who

  • were looking for me for forgery in Sweden,

  • but believed that I was living in France.

  • When the French authorities took me into custody

  • on that warrant, they realized I had forged checks

  • all over France.

  • So they refused to honor the warrant and Sweden's request

  • for my extradition.

  • They later convicted me of forgery

  • and sent me to French prison.

  • I served my time at a place called

  • the maison d'arret, the house of arrest,

  • in a small town in southern France called Perpignan.

  • Steven Spielberg told Barbara Walters,

  • "It was extremely important to me to go back to that cell,

  • to the exact cell he was in and reconstruct it

  • according to the logbooks during his stay there."

  • He said, "To my amazement, there was

  • a blanket on the floor, no mattress, a hole in the floor

  • to go the bathroom, no plumbing, no electricity."

  • He said, "According to the log books,

  • I entered the prison at 198 pounds,

  • left the prison at 109 pounds."

  • When my sentence was over in France,

  • I was extradited to Sweden where I was later

  • convicted of forgery in a Swedish court of law

  • and sent to a Swedish penitentiary in Malmo, Sweden.

  • When my prison term was up in Sweden,

  • US federal authorities took custody of me

  • and returned me to the United States.

  • Eventually, United States federal judge

  • in Atlanta, Georgia, which sentenced me to 12 years

  • in federal prison.

  • I served 4 of the 12 years at a federal prison

  • in Petersburg, Virginia.

  • When I was 26 years old, the government

  • offered to take me out of prison on the condition

  • I go to work with an agency of the federal government

  • for the remainder of my sentence until my parole had

  • been satisfactorily completed.

  • I agreed and was released.

  • This year, I'm celebrating 41 years at the FBI.

  • I've been at the Bureau for more than four decades.

  • I work out of Washington DC.

  • I actually make my home in Charleston, South Carolina.

  • So every Monday, I fly up to Washington,

  • about an hour flight, and I go home on Thursday evenings.

  • I live in Charleston with my one and only wife of 40 plus years

  • and my three sons.

  • My youngest boy graduated from the University of Beijing

  • in China.

  • He went on to get his master's degree there.

  • He reads, writes, and speaks Chinese fluently.

  • He works for a San Francisco gaming

  • company called Glu Mobile.

  • He designs games for the Chinese market.

  • All of his games are in Chinese, and they're

  • in their fourth generation as mobile games and devices.

  • My middle son graduated from University of Nevada

  • in Las Vegas.

  • His degree was in business.

  • He and his wife graduated together.

  • And he and her own a business in South Carolina,

  • and they manage that business together.

  • My oldest son graduated from University of Kansas at KU.

  • We went on to Loyola School of Law

  • in Chicago to get his law degree.

  • Passed the bar in Illinois, and went on

  • to make his dad very, very proud.

  • He's an FBI agent.

  • He's been in the Bureau about 12 years.

  • He supervises a team that deals with American citizens

  • kidnapped overseas.

  • So they're a response team that operates out

  • of Quantico, Virginia.

  • As many of you know, I had very little to do with the film.

  • I would have preferred not to had a movie made about my life.

  • I actually raised my three boys in Tulsa, Oklahoma

  • in the same house for 25 years.

  • My neighbors had no idea who I was.

  • And I would have preferred it stayed that way.

  • But Steven Spielberg told Barbara Walters

  • he felt compelled to tell the world the story not

  • because of what I did, but because of what

  • I'd done my life after that.

  • He loved the redemption side of the story,

  • wanted the world to know the story.

  • So in the end, my family and I were very pleased

  • with the outcome of the film.

  • But we thought in a couple of years,

  • that would all be forgotten and move on with our life.

  • I never dreamed that "Catch Me If You Can"

  • would go on to earn more than $1 billion for Dreamworks

  • and be shown over and over literally every week on HBO

  • and TV and then become a Broadway musical and a TV show.

  • So consequently, every Monday morning when I come to work,

  • I have e-mails that come from all over the world.

  • Someone who's seeing the movie for the first time,

  • watching the play at a community theater or a high school

  • somewhere, and they feel compelled to write.

  • And of course, they come from people literally as young

  • as eight years old sending those e-mails to people as old as 80.

  • Most people assume I'll never read those e-mails

  • or see those e-mails.

  • But they feel compelled to write,

  • and they want to make a statement.

  • Some say, you know, you were brilliant.

  • You were an absolute genius.

  • I was neither.

  • I was just a child.

  • Had I been brilliant, had I been a genius,

  • I don't know that I would have found

  • it necessary to break the law in order to just simply survive.

  • And while I know that people are fascinated

  • by what I did some 50 years ago as a teenage boy,

  • I've always looked upon what I did

  • as something that was immoral, illegal, unethical,

  • and a burden I live with literally

  • every single day of my life, and will until my death.

  • There are many who write and say,

  • well, you know, you were certainly gifted.

  • That I was.

  • I was one of those few children that

  • got to grow up in the world with a daddy.

  • Now, the world is full of fathers.

  • But there are very few men worthy of being called daddy

  • by their child.

  • I had a daddy loved his children more than he loved life itself.

  • Steven Spielberg told Barbara Walters the [INAUDIBLE] I've

  • researched Frank's youth.

  • Now without having met Frank, I couldn't help

  • but put his father in the film through the likes

  • of Christopher Walken.

  • My father was a man who had four children-- three boys

  • and a daughter.

  • Every night at bedtime, he'd walk into your room.

  • He was 6', 3".

  • He would drop down on one knee, kiss you on the cheek,

  • pull the cover up.

  • And he'd put his lip up on your earlobe.

  • And he'd whisper deep into your ear, "I love you.

  • I love you very much."

  • He never ever missed a night.

  • As I grew older, I sometimes fell asleep before he got home.

  • But I always woke up the next morning,

  • knew he had been at my bedside.

  • Years later, my older brother joined me in my room

  • temporarily.

  • He was in the Marine Corps.

  • He was 6', 4".

  • He played semi-pro football for Buffalo.

  • But my father would walk around to his bed,

  • hug him, kiss him, whisper in his ear he loved him.

  • When I was 16 years old, I was just a child.

  • All 16-year-olds are just children.

  • Much as we'd like them to be adults, they're just children.

  • And like all children, they need their mother,

  • and they need their father.

  • All children need their mother and their father.

  • All children are entitled to their mother and their father.

  • And though it is not popular to say so,

  • divorce is a very devastating thing

  • for a child to deal with and then

  • have to deal with the rest of their natural life.

  • For me, a complete stranger, a judge,

  • told me I had to choose one parent over the other.

  • That was a choice a 16-year-old boy could not make.

  • So I ran.

  • How could I tell you my life was glamorous?

  • I cried myself to sleep 'til I was 19 years old.

  • I spent every birthday, Christmas, Mother's Day,

  • Father's Day in a hotel room somewhere

  • in the world where people didn't speak my language.

  • The only people that associated with me

  • were people who believed me to be their peer,

  • 10 years older than I actually was.

  • I never got to go to a senior prom, high school football

  • game, share a relationship with someone my own age.

  • I always knew I'd get caught.

  • Only a fool would think otherwise.

  • The law sometimes sleeps, but the law never dies.

  • I was caught.

  • I went to some very bad places.

  • My boys have grown up asking their mother,

  • why is it that dad gets up in the middle of the night

  • and goes down to the TV room?

  • Because you know he doesn't turn the TV on.

  • He just sits there all night.

  • That's because there are things you can't forget,

  • things you're not meant to forget.

  • While I was sitting in that pitch black cell in France,

  • my father, 57, was climbing the subway stairs in New York

  • as he did every day.

  • He was in great physical shape.

  • He just happened to trip.

  • He reached his arm to break his fall.

  • He slipped, hit his head on the railing,

  • landed at the bottom of the step.

  • He was dead.

  • I didn't know he was dead.

  • I was thinking about him, how much

  • I couldn't wait to see him, hold him, hug him, kiss him, tell

  • him how sorry I was.

  • But I never got the opportunity to do that.

  • I was very fortunate because I was

  • raised in a great country where everyone gets a second chance.

  • I owe my country 800 times more than I can ever repay it

  • over these past four decades.

  • That is why I am at the FBI today

  • 32 years after the federal court order expired

  • requiring me to do so.

  • I have turned down three pardons from three sitting presidents

  • of the United States because I do not believe,

  • nor will I ever believe, that a piece of paper

  • will excuse my actions, that only in the end,

  • my actions will.

  • 40 plus years ago, on an undercover assignment

  • in Houston, Texas, I met my wife.

  • When the assignment was over, I broke protocol

  • to tell her who I really was.

  • I didn't have a dime to my name.

  • But I eventually asked her to marry me.

  • Against the wishes of her parents, she did.

  • Now, I could sit up here and tell you that I was born again,

  • I saw the light, prison rehabilitated me.

  • But the truth is God gave me a wife.

  • She gave me three beautiful children.

  • She gave me a family.

  • And she changed my life, she and she alone.

  • Everything I have, everything I've achieved, who I am today

  • is because of the love of a woman.

  • And the respect three boys have for their father

  • is something I would never ever jeopardize.

  • There comes a time in all of our lifetime, we grow older.

  • And eventually, if we're fortunate enough,

  • we have children.

  • And as every parent knows, whether your child's

  • three months old or 38 years old,

  • when you lay ahead on a pillow at night,

  • you're just about to close your eyes,

  • the last thing you think about, the last thing you worry about

  • are your children.

  • So if you still have your mother,

  • you still have your father, you give them a hug.

  • You give them a kiss.

  • You tell them you love them while you can.

  • And to those men in the audience, both young and old,

  • I would remind you what it truly is to actually be a man.

  • It has absolutely nothing to do with money, achievements,

  • skills, accomplishments, degrees, professions,

  • positions.

  • A real man loves his wife.

  • A real man is faithful to his wife.

  • And real men, next to God and his country,

  • put his wife and his children as the most important thing

  • in his life.

  • Steven Spielberg made a wonderful film.

  • But I've done nothing greater, nothing more rewarding, nothing

  • more worthwhile, nothing that's actually

  • brought me more peace, more joy, more happiness, more content

  • in my life than simply being a good husband, a good father,

  • and what I strive to be every day of my life--

  • a great daddy.

  • God bless you, and thanks for coming this morning.

  • Thank you.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • Thank you.

  • We have a bunch of questions both from the audience as well

  • as some people that sent in.

  • So we'll take some questions I'll be happy to answer.

  • AUDIENCE: Do you have any advice for Googlers

  • who are feeling imposter syndrome, the insecure feeling

  • that they're not nearly as good at their job

  • as their colleagues believe they are?

  • And how did you stay confident, or did you,

  • when you knew where you were an imposter?

  • FRANK ABAGNALE: You know, people always say to me,

  • you know, you were brilliant.

  • You were a genius.

  • No, I was an adolescent.

  • And that was why I was successful.

  • I was so young that I had no fear of being caught.

  • I was so young that I didn't think about consequences.

  • Everything I did was not premeditated.

  • Everything was done by opportunity or by chance.

  • So if, in fact, I was standing out

  • in front of a bank in Manhattan with a $500 check,

  • there was never a plan.

  • I didn't say to myself, I'm going in, cash this check.

  • If they say this, I'll do this.

  • If they do this, I'll do that.

  • I just went in and did it.

  • And I felt that there was nothing I couldn't do.

  • I had tremendous confidence in myself.

  • But everything was for a reason.

  • So I saw that airline crew.

  • I never dreamed about getting on planes

  • or staying in hotels around the world for free.

  • All I saw was a uniform and said to myself,

  • if I had that uniform on, and I walked in a bank,

  • it would be a lot easier to cash a check than me walking in

  • as just some young kid.

  • So the whole thing was to get a uniform and do that.

  • But then I quickly realized the power

  • of that uniform, how it turned from night to day.

  • No one ever said no when I walked

  • in to cash a check, even though there was no bank account there

  • or anything else.

  • All they saw was the uniform.

  • They didn't see me.

  • And I realized very early on the power of that uniform.

  • And then I realized I'd gone to the TWA ticket

  • counter just like he showed in the movie.

  • I was going to purchase an airline ticket.

  • And the ticket agent said to me, "Are you riding for free,

  • or are you buying the ticket?"

  • And I said, riding for free?

  • "Yeah, you on the jumpseat?"

  • And I learned about the jumpseat.

  • So then I flew around the world for free.

  • Everything I did, I did by chance.

  • I moved into an apartment complex in Atlanta.

  • I said I was a doctor because I didn't want

  • to write down airline pilot.

  • They were looking for me with that airline pilot.

  • So I said I was a doctor.

  • I said pediatrician because it was a singles complex,

  • and there were only single people living there.

  • And then I met a doctor who lived there.

  • And then he took me up to the hospital.

  • And I met people.

  • So I ended up at the hospital.

  • I dated a flight attendant whose father was the attorney

  • general in Louisiana.

  • I told her that I had gone to law school,

  • but I never practiced law.

  • Instead, I wanted to be a pilot.

  • And I got furloughed from the airline.

  • So she introduced me to her dad.

  • And I went to work.

  • Everything was all these opportunities, but always

  • the confidence that I could pull it off.

  • And that became just from age.

  • But if you believe that you're good at what you do, and you

  • strive to be good at what you do,

  • you don't need to worry about what other people think.

  • You need to be able to understand

  • that you have your own confidence

  • that you can do whatever it is you're required to do.

  • And other people will see that confidence in you.

  • The minute you start doubting yourself,

  • other people will see that you are doubting yourself.

  • And that becomes a weakness in your personality.

  • So you always want you to be confident in everything

  • you do that you can do it.

  • You can get it done.

  • You'll find a way to get it done.

  • AUDIENCE: Obviously, technology has evolved quite a bit

  • since you were going around, things like that.

  • Would somebody be able to accomplish something

  • similar today, even with all of the technical advances?

  • FRANK ABAGNALE: Yeah, you know, I get asked that a lot.

  • Actually, it's, sorry to say, but 4,000 times easier today

  • than when I did it.

  • Technology breeds crime.

  • It always has, and it always will.

  • And there will always be people willing to use technology

  • in a self-serving way.

  • So you know, I always use the example

  • that when I used to forge checks,

  • I needed a Heidelberg printing press.

  • It took me about 12 months to learn that press.

  • That was $1 million printing press.

  • It was 90 feet long, 18 feet high.

  • It required three journeymen operators to operate it.

  • So I built scaffoldings on either sides of the press

  • so I could eliminate the other two positions.

  • And because I was a teenager, I was

  • able to run the length of that press.

  • But there were color separations.

  • There were negatives.

  • There were chemicals you had to work with.

  • There were plates you had to make.

  • There was typesetting involved.

  • Today, one just opens a laptop and decides

  • to forge a counterfeited check.

  • They first bring up a diagram of a check

  • with a little security background in it.

  • And then they go and look on whose check

  • they're going to forge.

  • So if I'm going to forge, for example, Intuit's check,

  • I go to their company's website, capture their logo,

  • and put it up on the corner of the left top of the check.

  • I put in their corporate address.

  • I might put some stuff in the background, step and repeat

  • patterns or whatever it is I'm designing.

  • And in 15 minutes, I have a four color, beautiful check,

  • prettier than the real check they use, up on my website.

  • Now in the old days, you would've said to me,

  • you know, this check you printed for Pan Am?

  • I have to admit, it's pretty awesome.

  • It's amazing, four color, it looks terrific.

  • But let me ask you this.

  • How do you know where Pan Am banks?

  • I have no idea where they bank.

  • So I'm just making up a bank's name.

  • Chase Manhattan Bank, Morgan Chase Plaza, New York,

  • New York.

  • How do you know the account number is?

  • No idea, I'm just making up a bunch of numbers.

  • How do you know who the authorized signer is?

  • I don't know.

  • I'm just signing somebody as Joe Black,

  • whatever name on a check.

  • But we live in a way-too-much information world today.

  • So once I forge Intuit's check, every forger

  • calls their victim twice.

  • Because every forger will tell you

  • a victim will tell me everything I need to know.

  • So when he calls, he would have simply said,

  • "Like to speak to someone in accounts receivables."

  • "Sure.

  • One moment."

  • "Accounts receivables, can I help you?"

  • "Yeah, I was getting ready to pay an invoice you sent us.

  • But we prefer to wire you the funds.

  • Just needed wiring instructions."

  • "Yes, sir.

  • We bank with Bank of America.

  • Our account number is 176853."

  • They tell you right on the phone.

  • You can call any company and just tell them

  • you're going to wire them money.

  • They're going to tell you where they bank,

  • on what street, their account number--

  • what you need on the check.

  • So I captured the bank's logo, I put it on the check.

  • I put the MICR line down on the bottom.

  • And I hang up and call back.

  • "Intuit Corporation, can I help you?"

  • Yeah, I'd like to speak to someone

  • in your corporate communications.

  • "Sure, one moment."

  • "Corporate communications, can I help you?"

  • Yeah, I wondered if you'd be so kind as to mail me

  • a copy of your annual report.

  • "Sure, I'll send you one out today.

  • On page three is a signature of the chairman

  • of the board, the CEO, the CFO, the treasurer.

  • White glossy paper, black ink.

  • Camera ready.

  • All right, scan it, digitize it, put it on the check.

  • The technology has made it much, much easier.

  • And when we talk about IDs, making an airline ID today

  • would be very simple with the technology that's

  • available today.

  • So all of those things are a lot easier.

  • As I used to say, it would be a little more difficult

  • for me to get on an aircraft today posing as a pilot.

  • But if you ever go to the airport

  • and watch the crews go through the airport,

  • they just simply hold up a card, and they

  • go through the airport.

  • Anyone could make that card with today's software and technology

  • that's available to anybody.

  • So yeah, technology has certainly made it a lot easier.

  • So that's why we are constantly making technology

  • to counter the use of technology by criminals

  • and to make it more difficult for them

  • to convert that technology into a negative idea.

  • AUDIENCE: In your candid opinion,

  • did Leonardo DiCaprio and Tom Hanks do justice to your

  • and Joseph Shea's respective roles in the movie?

  • FRANK ABAGNALE: Yeah, you know, I'm not a big movie person.

  • So I watch very little television.

  • This is most of my life, not just

  • something I took up even as a kid,

  • I didn't watch a lot of television.

  • I don't watch a lot of television now,

  • and I certainly very rarely go to movies.

  • So when it was announced that Leo

  • was the person picked to play the part,

  • I really knew nothing about him.

  • My sons weren't too happy that it was Leo.

  • But I didn't know anything about him.

  • So I went to the movies and saw "Street Gangs of New York."

  • And I said to myself sitting there, how would

  • this person portray a person 16 years old?

  • He had a beard.

  • At the time he filmed that movie, he was about 27,

  • 28 years old.

  • I thought, no one's going to believe this guy is 16.

  • But because I never saw the script,

  • I didn't know if maybe Spielberg was making the character

  • a lot older and not a teenager.

  • When the movie came out, it was quite amazing

  • that Leo starts out in the film at 14, then he's 16,

  • then he's 18, then he's 21.

  • He is an amazing character actor.

  • And he took the role, and he did an amazing job

  • of playing the role.

  • Tom Hanks' character was actually named Joe Shea,

  • S-H-E-A. He was an Irishman from Boston.

  • Joe Shea was my supervisor at the FBI

  • after I came out of prison.

  • I answered directly to him.

  • He and I were friends for 30 years until his death.

  • I've written five books on crime.

  • The last book I wrote, "Stealing Your Life,"

  • I dedicated that book to him and our 30-year relationship.

  • But he was an Irishman from Boston,

  • which Tom Hanks-- he didn't want his real name used.

  • So Tom Hanks used the name of an old football player

  • and took that name Carl Hanratty.

  • But if you were watching the screen, for me,

  • it was like watching him.

  • He looked like him.

  • He sounded like him.

  • He had his mannerisms.

  • They did an amazing job, both of them,

  • in portraying the parts of real people

  • that were still living at that time.

  • AUDIENCE: So first of all, as a father,

  • your statement was just got me tearing.

  • So I'm not gonna ask you anything about that.

  • I'm gonna ask totally practical with the Equifax

  • hacks and the Anthem hacks that everyone in this room

  • has been probably affected by one or the other,

  • is there anything we can do as citizens to protect ourselves?

  • Or is it a lost cause?

  • FRANK ABAGNALE: No, I'll tell you what to do.

  • But let me explain this to you.

  • That is where-- when I went to the FBI 41 years ago,

  • I worked undercover for a long period of time.

  • Then I went into the field and dealt

  • with counterfeits and forgeries, embezzlement, financial crimes.

  • In the last 20 years, I've dealt with only cyber-related crimes.

  • So I spend most of my time with breeches.

  • I have worked every breech back to TJ Maxx 15 years ago.

  • And this is what I've learned.

  • First of all, every single breach--

  • every breach occurs because somebody in that company

  • did something they weren't supposed to do,

  • or somebody in that company failed

  • to do something they were supposed to do.

  • Hackers do not cause breaches.

  • People do.

  • And every breach comes down to that.

  • So in the case of Equifax, they didn't

  • update their infrastructure.

  • That didn't fix the patches they should've put in place.

  • There were very negligent in what they were doing.

  • So the hacker waited for the door to open.

  • So when you interview a hacker, the hacker will say to you,

  • look, I can't get into Chase Bank.

  • The truth is they spend about a half a billion dollars a year

  • on technology.

  • Every 12 months, they spend a half a billion dollars

  • of their profit on putting technology and software

  • in their bank to keep me out.

  • However, they employ 200,000 people worldwide.

  • All I have to do is wait for one of those people

  • to do something they weren't supposed to do

  • or failed to do what they were supposed to do.

  • And that'll open the door for me to get in.

  • When you steal credit card numbers

  • like Home Depot, Target, TJ Maxx, that's

  • stealing credit cards and debit card information,

  • that has a very short, short shelf life.

  • So you have to get rid of it very, very quickly.

  • But if I steal your name, your social security

  • number, and your date of birth, you can't change your name.

  • You can't change your social security number.

  • You can't change your date of birth.

  • So those people warehouse that data for two to three years.

  • So we won't even see that surface for at least a couple

  • of years before some of that will start to surface,

  • the data that was stolen.

  • Whatever number they start with--

  • I think it was 143 million, then it became 146 million.

  • It was a million drivers licenses, now

  • it's 10.6 million drivers licenses.

  • Are all breaches start with very low numbers

  • before they let you know the actual true numbers.

  • So it's probably about 240 million pieces of information

  • that were stolen.

  • But I remind people all the time that they're

  • going to warehouse that data.

  • So buying one-year credit monitoring services

  • is absolutely worthless because nothing's

  • going to happen in a year.

  • And if you really analyze Equifax,

  • they were very unethical in what they did.

  • They thought to themselves-- first of all,

  • they sold a bunch of stock knowing

  • that it was going to come out.

  • That was worse.

  • But then they sat there and said, how do we

  • make a profit from this?

  • It was our mistake, but how do we turn this around

  • into a profit?

  • So they sat there and said, what we'll

  • do is we'll offer millions and millions of people

  • one-year credit monitoring service for free.

  • They'll sign up.

  • And in a year from now, we'll simply

  • say that data hasn't really surfaced yet.

  • You need to be enrolled automatically

  • into our program, which is $20 a month.

  • So they're going to make millions and millions

  • of dollars with automatic enrollment into their program.

  • If you've been a subject of that breach,

  • there's only two things you can do, and two things only.

  • One, you can freeze your credit.

  • Each state varies about that.

  • So some states, freezing your credit is free.

  • Other states, there's a fee associated with it, typically

  • $10 to freeze it, $18 to unfreeze,

  • $10 to freeze it again.

  • So for the last two years, I've testified before Congress.

  • And you go to my website at abagnale.com.

  • You'll see me testifying before Congress telling them

  • that they need to put a federal law across the 50 states that

  • allow anyone to freeze their credit at any time

  • and unfreeze it at any time.

  • There should be no reason that there

  • should be a fee associated with it because then

  • that becomes a deterrent to people actually

  • freezing their credit.

  • So you can freeze your credit.

  • That's one thing you can do.

  • And then you unfreeze it if you need it,

  • if it's not too much of a hassle.

  • Then the only other thing is to monitor your credit.

  • So I've used a credit monitoring service since 1992.

  • So for about 25 years, I've been using a service.

  • I think they charge me like $12 a month.

  • The reason I like it, I can monitor my own credit.

  • I don't need them.

  • All they've given me for that $12

  • is the ability to go on my keyboard in a few strokes

  • and bring up my credit reports instantly on my screen.

  • And up on my screen comes all three reports--

  • Equifax, Experian, TransUnion.

  • At the top is my score for the moment of that day,

  • what my credit score is at those three agencies.

  • Then I can scroll down and look at my credit.

  • And I can say to myself, you know,

  • I paid this car off like four months ago.

  • They still show that I owe money to this bank.

  • I'll correct that.

  • And I can go all the way down and see every inquiry

  • made on my credit.

  • That's what we call hard and soft inquiries.

  • And that's your employer checking

  • your credit, the IRS checking your credit,

  • your insurance company checking your credit,

  • or a credit card you applied for,

  • and they're checking your credit.

  • So I really don't need them.

  • But for a fee, they're also monitoring my credit as well.

  • So they're checking my credit, and they're

  • letting me know in real time if someone attempts

  • to use my social security number to get a job,

  • open a bank account, or whatever the case may be.

  • So to me, it's worth using that.

  • Now, one other tip I'll give you is I don't own a debit card.

  • I've never owned one.

  • I've never allowed my three sons to possess one.

  • Certainly and truly the worst financial tool

  • ever given to the American consumer.

  • So a long time ago, I asked myself a simple question.

  • How would I remove 99.9% of my personal liability like that?

  • Because I really don't want to worry about all these things.

  • So I use the safest form of payment

  • that exists on the face of the earth.

  • And that is a credit card.

  • Credit card-- Visa, MasterCard, American Express,

  • Discover card.

  • Not debit-credit, but credit card.

  • Every day of my life, I spend their money.

  • I don't spend my money.

  • My money sits in a money market account.

  • It earns interest.

  • Actually, nobody knows where it is because it's not

  • exposed to anybody to find it.

  • It's just sitting there.

  • I go to the dry cleaner, I give them my card.

  • I pick up the groceries, I give them my card.

  • I put fuel in my boat on the weekend, I use my card.

  • I pay the marina to keep my boat in the water all year long,

  • they put the rent on my credit card.

  • I travel all over the world.

  • While I wait to get reimbursed, I use my credit card.

  • If I need euros, I go to the ATM machine, I use my credit card.

  • I'm not going to use my debit card to get euros overseas

  • or a pounds in Great Britain.

  • And every day, I use my card.

  • And then if I pay the bill in full or part of the bill,

  • my credit score goes up.

  • So I'm building credit while I'm using that credit card.

  • And if tomorrow-- and I'll do everything

  • to protect my information-- but if tomorrow someone gets

  • my card number and charges $1 million on my credit card,

  • by federal law, my liability is zero.

  • I have no liability.

  • So yes, I love to shop online.

  • I don't use a special card.

  • I just use my credit card.

  • If they don't deliver the merchandise,

  • if they deliver it and it's broken,

  • if the host site I went to was fictitious to begin with,

  • I have zero liability.

  • When you use your debit card, every time you reach for it,

  • you're exposing the money in your account.

  • The only person who's going to get robbed is you.

  • When you use your debit card, you

  • could use it for the next 50 years 20 times a day,

  • you will not raise your credit score by that much.

  • And of course, when you use your debit card,

  • you are liable up to a certain amount.

  • And it takes a while in order to get that debit card fixed.

  • So when we do post investigations at breaches,

  • and we say to someone on your incident, what happened?

  • Well, I was in Target.

  • But I used a Visa card.

  • So I don't know, nothing.

  • They canceled my card the next day.

  • Two days later, FedEx sent me a new card.

  • And that was the last I heard about it.

  • What about you?

  • And I used a debit card there.

  • They took $3,000 out of my checking account.

  • It took me two months to get my money back

  • while they said they were investigating.

  • I had to pay my rent, had kids' tuition, everything.

  • I couldn't pay it because they had my money.

  • So I do it for that.

  • So I had three sons that went off to college.

  • And I said to them, I'm not giving you a debit card.

  • I've actually applied for a credit card in your name.

  • So it's your card.

  • Of course, you're 18.

  • You have no credit.

  • So I guarantee the card.

  • So as a guarantee-er of the card, three things take place.

  • One, the bill comes to me, and I'm responsible for the bill.

  • So if you spend a lot of time in the bar,

  • I'm going to know that.

  • Two, I set the limit on the card.

  • So whatever I want you to spend each month while you're

  • at school, I'll set that limit.

  • Third, every month that I pay the bill goes on your credit.

  • So by the time you get out of college,

  • you should be looking at a credit score of about 800.

  • You want to buy a car, buy a house, buy a condo?

  • You're not going to need me to do that.

  • All three of my sons came out of college with scores

  • up around 800.

  • One of the best things you can do for your kids

  • is to teach them to learn to use credit early on

  • and build credit in their name.

  • Credit is a very important thing.

  • 30 years ago, it only meant whether you got the car,

  • you got the house.

  • Today, everything is based on your credit.

  • If a company hires you, they're going to check your credit.

  • If you buy auto insurance, they're

  • going to check your credit.

  • If you buy life insurance, they're

  • going to check your credit.

  • Everything is based on your credit.

  • So you want to make sure that you maintain good credit.

  • It's one of the best things you can do with your kids.

  • Question?

  • AUDIENCE: I wanted to ask you more

  • about the FBI specifically, and kind of hiring

  • and how you got in there.

  • It is such an interesting story.

  • You know, when I was younger I was really

  • interested in working for the FBI,

  • worked in fraud and security.

  • If my boss is watching, I'm very happy where I am right now.

  • But I couldn't believe how difficult it was to try and get

  • into public service.

  • I thought, you know, there's--

  • I was willing to take a pay cut.

  • I was willing to move anywhere.

  • I was willing to do anything.

  • And it was difficult.

  • I mean, I was in touch with people at the FBI.

  • And they were super nice and very helpful.

  • But I just couldn't believe the background checks,

  • and there's no available jobs, and you have to keep e-mailing,

  • and oh, you don't have a law degree?

  • Oh, that's not going to matter.

  • And you know, again, I ended up in a great spot.

  • So I'm happy.

  • But when people asked me about public service and working

  • for these organizations, I really don't have an answer.

  • FRANK ABAGNALE: Yeah, the FBI is extremely tough.

  • We have about 13,000 agents and about 25,000 support people

  • who support the agents, analysts and things of that nature.

  • Currently, we take one in every 10,000 applicants

  • to be an agent.

  • So it is extremely difficult to get in the FBI.

  • So just to share the story with you,

  • my oldest boy, when he was about 14,

  • I used to take my kids to the FBI Academy, which

  • is on a marine military base in Quantico, Virginia

  • because they like to shoot guns on the range,

  • and I would take them up there.

  • When I was teaching class, they would

  • be out there with the instructor shooting on the range.

  • And I remember distinctly coming back

  • off the base, which takes you about 20 minutes

  • to get from the Academy off to the base.

  • And when we were riding through the base, he said to me,

  • you know, dad, this is what I want to do.

  • I want to become an FBI agent.

  • I said, well, that's great, son.

  • But keep that in mind.

  • And so he graduated from high school.

  • He said to me, I really want to become a FBI agent.

  • I said, that's great.

  • Now you gotta go to college.

  • So he went to school at University of Kansas,

  • got his undergraduate.

  • I always thought he'd change his mind.

  • My wife always had a Christmas party

  • for all the agents in Tulsa.

  • We had about 200 FBI agents in the state.

  • And every Christmas, they would be at our home

  • with their family.

  • And he would go talk to all of them.

  • And the Special Agent in charge who's

  • in charge of the entire state, he would say to him, yeah,

  • my son tried to get in.

  • But they turned him down.

  • And he explained to him that senator's sons

  • have been turned down.

  • Former presidents' sons have been turned down.

  • It has nothing to do with anything other than you.

  • And I kept emphasizing that to him.

  • But I kept thinking he'd change his mind.

  • So when he graduated from undergraduate school,

  • I said, son, I would recommend you go to law school.

  • "I have no desire to be a lawyer."

  • I said, I understand.

  • But if you really want to pursue the FBI,

  • that would put you up a little higher

  • and your chances of getting in.

  • He went to Loyola School of Law.

  • He graduated from law school.

  • The Bureau requires you pass the bar.

  • So he took the bar in Illinois, passed the bar.

  • And then he went through the year-long process

  • of the process it takes to apply to the Bureau.

  • And I got very worried because I'd say to my wife

  • that, you know, I'm a little concerned because first of all,

  • I don't know if someone in management

  • would like the fact that my son is an FBI agent.

  • Or maybe someone in management would look at it

  • and say, his dad has done so much for them,

  • we need to look at his son.

  • It had absolutely nothing to do with that.

  • It was all about him.

  • And I always tell him every day he's living his life's dream.

  • So he got in.

  • But it is very, very tough.

  • So when the Bureau came to me-- and they just a few years ago

  • celebrated their 100th anniversary.

  • They did a big coffee table book,

  • and they talk about me in there as being the only person they

  • ever did that with.

  • The whole thing to the Bureau back then,

  • the director was Clarence Kelley,

  • who was the Director of the Bureau at that time.

  • He wanted the ability because he could say to me, OK,

  • you are a lieutenant in the Army.

  • You have been in the Army this many years.

  • Your expertise is this missile.

  • I need you to learn all of this in two weeks,

  • and I'm sending you to this base.

  • And I want you to find out what's going on

  • in this particular area.

  • He knew that no matter what assignment he

  • gave me under cover, I could go do it,

  • whether it was a scientist at a lab in New Mexico,

  • whether it was a doctor in a hospital,

  • he knew that I could get away with it,

  • make people believe that I was that person without any doubt.

  • And that's how they used me.

  • I think that was their initial thing.

  • And then, of course, when my time was up-- and again,

  • keep in mind that when I got that offer, to me,

  • it was just an opportunity.

  • I looked at it, well, opportunity to get out of jail.

  • I am not going to sit here and tell you

  • I was a changed person, that I was a different person

  • than when I went into prison.

  • I just saw that as an opportunity

  • to get out of prison.

  • So I was going to do it.

  • But then you get involved with the men and women of the FBI

  • who obviously are probably the most ethical people you'll ever

  • meet in your life.

  • They have tremendous character, love of country,

  • love of family.

  • That kind of wears off on you.

  • And I started to realize that I met my wife,

  • and I was becoming a husband.

  • I take care of my wife, I take care of children, fatherhood.

  • All those things is what really changed my life.

  • Wasn't that I was rehabilitated or--

  • those things changed my life.

  • So it started out more as an opportunity.

  • So when my time was over, and the court said

  • his court order ceases to be, he's

  • free to do whatever he wants to do,

  • I made the choice to stay there only

  • because I thought that I could bring a lot to the Bureau.

  • So the Bureau was very smart.

  • They realized very early on that I

  • wouldn't be accepted very well.

  • And so there was a great scene in the movie where

  • Steven Spielberg obviously knew that I was very, very

  • difficult for the agents.

  • Keep in mind now this is back when

  • there were no women agents, no blacks, no Hispanics.

  • Everybody was a white agent, and they either

  • graduated from Harvard, or they graduated from Yale.

  • And they all came from very good families.

  • And it was a totally different environment 40 years ago.

  • So they all had really tunnel vision--

  • once a criminal, always a criminal.

  • So they were not very, very happy with the fact

  • that I came there.

  • So he showed that scene of me walking

  • in the office and the way people looked at me.

  • That took years for me to turn that around.

  • Took years for me to build their credibility.

  • And of course, in the first part of my career,

  • I was out in the field.

  • I was undercover.

  • So they really weren't dealing with me.

  • So when I finished working under cover,

  • the director then simply said, you know what?

  • He needs to go to the Academy and teach class

  • so that every agent who comes to the Academy,

  • he will be their instructor in one of their courses.

  • And they will all know him.

  • So I've taught at the Academy now for well over 35 years.

  • I taught my son when I went through the Academy.

  • Three generations of agents.

  • And that helped a great deal because they learned

  • who I was early on, knew who I was,

  • and that changed a lot of that.

  • But it took a lot of work to turn that around and build

  • that credibility.

  • AUDIENCE: I'm curious to know whether or not

  • you continued to fly even after you were released from jail

  • and working at the Bureau as the movie suggests,

  • or if that was a bit of Hollywood embellishment.

  • FRANK ABAGNALE: Now, you know, when people ask me--

  • and I saw the movie in a movie theater.

  • I've only seen the movie twice.

  • I've seen that trailer 1,000 times,

  • but I've only seen the movie twice.

  • So when the media asked me what I thought about the movie

  • and what was right and what was wrong,

  • I said, you know, well, first of all,

  • I have two brothers and a sister.

  • He portrayed me as an only child.

  • In real life, my mother never remarried.

  • There's a scene in the movie where she's

  • remarried as a little girl.

  • That didn't really happen.

  • In the real life, I never saw my father after I ran away.

  • In the movie, they keep having him come back

  • to Christopher Walken in the film who

  • was nominated for the Academy Award

  • for that role as my father.

  • That didn't really happen.

  • I escaped off the aircraft, but I escaped off the aircraft

  • through the kitchen galley where they bring the food and stuff

  • onto the plane.

  • And there they had me escape through the toilet.

  • And my wife kind of looked at me and said,

  • you didn't go through the toilet, did you?

  • I said, no, I didn't go through the toilet.

  • So I thought he stayed very close to the story.

  • But pretty much all of that--

  • he was very concerned about being accurate, first of all,

  • because it was the first time he made a movie

  • about a real person living.

  • Second, the Bureau had an information officer on the set

  • for all the shooting of the entire film

  • to make sure that what he said about the FBI

  • and what comments they made and all that was accurate.

  • There was an agent from our information office on the set.

  • And then, of course, as he later said,

  • "I really got most of my information

  • from those three retired agents."

  • Because he said their notes were so particular and so accurate

  • he said that "when I filmed the scene in the hotel room,

  • I had scripted it.

  • And so we're sitting there, and I said, read me your notes."

  • He said, "I entered the room with my gun pulled.

  • I heard someone in the bathroom.

  • I ordered them to come out of the bathroom.

  • And this is what happened."

  • He basically loved his notes better than his script.

  • So he used his notes for the film.

  • So I thought he did a good job of staying very, very

  • accurate at the movie.

  • I'll just make a final comment to you

  • having to deal with cyber now.

  • I like to write about crimes in the future.

  • So I always used to write to my class

  • about what will we investigate five years from now.

  • What will an agent be doing five years from now?

  • And unfortunately, there's good news, and there's bad news.

  • First of all, the good news, we will

  • be doing away with passwords in the next 24 months.

  • Passwords will leave the world.

  • There will be no more passwords.

  • There is a new technology called Trusona.

  • That's T-R-U-S-O-N-A. Stands for true persona.

  • It is a company in Scottsdale, Arizona

  • that created a technology for the CIA

  • which we have used now for the last few years.

  • That technology-- and I was an adviser

  • on that technology for the CIA.

  • So I'm an advisor on bringing it to the commercial world.

  • But it was the ability for an agent

  • to send data back from the field, such as Afghanistan,

  • on their iPhone, and that Langley would know 100% that

  • is the agent on the other end, to 100%

  • identify the person on the other end of the device.

  • That's the level four security.

  • So they basically said, what if we

  • brought this to level two security,

  • and we did away with passwords?

  • So immediately, when they announced

  • that, Microsoft gave them $10 million and said, I'm in.

  • Develop it.

  • So Microsoft is going to use that

  • on all their gaming, all their access

  • to their computers, et cetera.

  • We now have the ability to identify

  • who the person is on the other end of that device.

  • And when you go to their website at Trusona,

  • they actually show you how it's done.

  • So they show you demo videos there

  • that are three or four minutes long

  • that show you how it's done.

  • And that's great.

  • Passwords are stagnant.

  • They should have been gone long time ago.

  • It's why we have most of the problems that we have today.

  • So it is very important that we get rid of passwords.

  • And just in case you didn't know,

  • if we take a bank like a Bank of America,

  • they spend about $6 million a month in their call center

  • resetting passwords.

  • Costs them $6 million a month.

  • So that would save that bank $100 million a year

  • to eliminate the use of passwords.

  • So that's the good part of it.

  • And I think that will eventually do away

  • with social security numbers.

  • You'll still have a number assigned to you

  • for the government purpose.

  • But when I go by a car, I go to the doctor,

  • I don't have to give them a number

  • because they already know who I am through my device.

  • So I won't have to provide a social security number.

  • So I think that's the good part.

  • But I do believe that cyber, up until this point in time,

  • has been used for financial crimes or gathering

  • data and information which is of value.

  • What's going to happen is we're going to see cyber very quickly

  • now turn very black.

  • So we have the ability, as you know, to basically

  • shut someone's pacemaker off.

  • But we have to be within 35 feet of them.

  • We test these device at Quantico all the time.

  • So as long as I walk up within 35 feet of you,

  • I take control of any bodily device you have on you.

  • So if I want to assassinate you, I

  • want to speed it up, take it down, I can do that.

  • But I believe that in five years,

  • you'll be able to do that from 5,000 miles away.

  • We have the ability now that we test

  • that we can chase a car down the interstate.

  • We've got to get up within 35 feet of the vehicle.

  • We take over the vehicle.

  • We shut the motor off.

  • We lock the person in the car.

  • We lock the power window so they can't open them.

  • We can turn on their airbag.

  • Again, five years from now, you'd

  • be able to do that 5,000 miles away.

  • So yeah, so our electrical grid uses as a terrorist tool.

  • The ability to shut down an entire system,

  • shut down an entire banking system.

  • Those are all the things that, unfortunately, we'll

  • be dealing with in the next four or five years as cyber starts

  • to make that turn to the very black side of cyber,

  • not just about stealing money, information, and data.

  • And so that's why we're going to have to work extra hard

  • to make sure that we go back to protect our electrical grid.

  • I always remind people we have the technology

  • to prevent most of these problems.

  • But if you don't use it, then it's worthless.

  • And we tend to develop a lot of things--

  • I just want to make this emphasis to you--

  • we develop a lot of things without following them through.

  • So one thing I've done in the government

  • over the last several years, if the government is going

  • to buy a technology, they send me to the technology company

  • and say, try to defeat that.

  • I just simply go there and see their technology.

  • As one CEO says, he plays chess with you.

  • You tell him you did this, this, and this.

  • And then he tells you, we have a weakness right

  • here because I would come in and do this.

  • So they build a wall up.

  • And then he says, no, I would still get in here

  • until he says he can't do it any longer.

  • Then we know we have a good technology.

  • But very rarely is--

  • and I did that with Trusona when we did it

  • for the purpose of the CIA.

  • But today-- and it tells you on the website

  • that I advised on their project and how

  • it came down to commercial use.

  • But today, what we have is we develop things.

  • So we say to you, here's a device you put in your kitchen,

  • and then you can talk to it.

  • You ask what the weather is, what's on TV tonight,

  • all of that.

  • I could easily reverse that and listen to everything

  • you say in your house.

  • There are so many weaknesses in your home.

  • Your security cameras are access points, your remote control

  • on your TV, your Samsung television,

  • your refrigerator that tells you how much milk is in it.

  • My thing is I really don't need my refrigerator

  • to talk to my toaster.

  • They've gotten along for a long time

  • without ever having a conversation.

  • But what happens is we develop something.

  • We get really excited about it.

  • "We gotta get this to the marketplace."

  • And sure enough, we never look at the negative side.

  • All I try to say to technology company, yeah, this is great.

  • Now, can you take a little time to just

  • say, how would someone use this technology

  • in a negative, self-serving way so that we build

  • the block to that before we ever give it

  • to the public to use it?

  • We'd save a lot of problems.

  • Been an absolute pleasure spending the morning with you.

  • Thank you very much for coming.

  • It's been a pleasure.

  • Thank you.

  • Thank you.

  • [APPLAUSE]

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