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  • Politics in the us.

  • I mean I know you you know you you got a full dose of it obviously back in 17.

  • Do you watch it?

  • Do you participate?

  • Do you stick to fund management these days?

  • Well listen, you know, obviously last time I saw you uh the general consensus among the elites was that mr trump is going to win reelection.

  • I went to Davos Switzerland a few weeks before I arrived in your offices in London and I would say the general consensus there was he was going to win reelection.

  • I said in Davos that he was going to lose.

  • It was before the pandemic started in, the economy was quite robust.

  • Uh and he lost.

  • I'm not patting myself on the back, I just could understand directly where he was going was classically anti american and there would be a majority of americans that would would vote him out of office.

  • And by the way it's very tough to vote a sitting president out of office.

  • And so you have to imagine how badly you've got to be doing to get knocked out.

  • Um And so the reason why I'm bringing all of this up is that we can never predict the future.

  • We don't know what what's going to happen, but donald trump represents something in politics.

  • The United States and that is a very stressed out group of people in the US.

  • We we've turned blue collar people and I grew up among them, my dad was a crane operator.

  • We turned blue collar people who are once aspirational working class families into desperation.

  • All Working class families over 40 years.

  • Some of that was our dollar devaluation, some of that was global exportation of manufacturing, some of that was just plain old competition that entered the marketplace after the war as other nations started to rebuild and rise.

  • But it hasn't been handled well by our political leaders.

  • And so that would be an indictment of both parties.

  • And so for me, I got accidentally involved in politics.

  • I always saw myself as a Nachbar.

  • I never had a calling for politics but I didn't really have a network when I came out of school.

  • And so I went into politics brian because it was an easy way to meet people that were influential.

  • I was raising money at that time for Rudy Giuliani and then George Pataki and mitt Romney and I started meeting people that we're helping with my business.

  • I got in there accidentally because Mr trump on the election and then he persuaded me to go.

  • And as you know from our prior interview, I let my ego through a lot of the talking and I went um but that was the wrong thing for me to do and I obviously paid the price for that.

  • Um so I'm back at work.

  • I signed with CNBC, I don't go on CNN anymore.

  • Each other networks to talk politics.

  • I'm basically out there talking about my business and talking about things I see as forces that are shaping the global economy, But we're up against it in the country, we've got 25% of the country that really believes Mr Trump and his big lie.

  • And you've got more than 25% of the country that doesn't want to get vaccinated and we can have that big scientific debate and all that nonsense that's out there.

  • And unfortunately, our adversaries like the Russians, are feeding the beast of social media with all of this weapon grades propaganda, which is having a very big negative impact On the West.

  • Uh, they figured out Stalin said this about the United States in the 1930s and we'll break them.

  • They're a group of multi multi verse, their tribal and ethnic, they're not bound together, we will break them.

  • And they used all of this propaganda KGB G R.

  • U style propaganda to see if they could break us.

  • But, you know, these were immigrants uh generationally that they had left countries that they were doing well in and they fell in love with America and I with my grandparents and great grandparents.

  • They were they were very hard to break.

  • And then many of us went through the war.

  • My uncles, my dad, they were in the army, very hard to break that tide of the civic virtue, but now that civic virtues fraying and you've got this introduction of this social media which is really oddly making us more tribal, making us more siloed and the Russians and other adversaries are exploiting that to our peril.

  • And so if we don't find the right political leadership to help reunite us, I mean, the first name of the country is united.

  • We gotta figure out a way to do that.

  • I think we've got some trouble ahead, so I'm gonna get you to talk about it, but I'm not talking about it as vociferously as I was a year ago because I thought mr trump was in extreme danger to the society.

  • I had gotten wrong, my endorsement and my praise of him and my working with him and he proved otherwise, he proved incapable, incompetent, lacked presidential leadership, lacked executive management skills and was malevolent.

  • He was really blowing racist dog whistles all over the country and uh you know, that's not the type of public service that we need?

  • So I spoke very loudly about it, but I'm really just trying to stick to my knitting right now as a business person.

  • Yeah.

  • You said about him, quote, everyone goes into the trump relationship, wood chipper.

  • You either come out on the other side with your dignity and your personal story intact or you're reformed as trump's compost and your fertilizer under his shoe.

  • Um do you care to comment on that quote?

  • And don't you think that it was still in that positive that you were there.

  • Well, I almost got divorced.

  • Uh, my wife and I almost lost our relationship, thank God, we're able to patch it back up together.

  • Um, I think part of it was humiliating, um, you know, I'm not gonna lie to you.

  • You know, I mean, you get, if you're having a bad day brian, don't you think of my day on july 31st 2017, I'm bounced from the White House lit up by every late night comedian mocked on saturday night live.

  • My wife has filed for divorce on me.

  • So I'm on the front page of the tabloids.

  • Um, that's a rough set of circumstances.

  • Okay, So, but it did raise my notoriety.

  • It raised my profile, I think I have mr trump to thank for my one million twitter followers.

  • And weirdly, uh, he put me in a position where I could provide advocacy for what I see is the american ideals and the democratic Spirit of America.

  • And I was able because of the sort of notoriety that I got as a result of that disastrous experience.

  • I could be part of the story did defeat him.

  • Now we all know that study that he defeated himself was a narrow election by the way he only lost by 40,000 votes.

  • Um, and uh, his buddy Ron johnson said it better than anybody.

  • They caught him off guard and he was on tape saying, well, obviously the election was legitimate and explained the math and the numbers and Wisconsin and it just plain Plainly that 50,000 people that voted for Senator Johnson that were Republicans did not vote for Mr.

  • Trump and the result of that he lost Wisconsin.

  • If I swayed one of those voters and I feel I did my patriotic duty.

  • So yes, in some ways, yes, it did help me.

  • It raised my profile.

  • But in other ways, you know, my, my oldest son who went to stanford business school says, Dad, you're like killing me, You're killing my networking opportunities.

  • The republicans hate you because you left trump.

  • The democrats will never accept you because you were with trump.

  • You have killed my networking opportunities.

  • And I laugh.

  • I looked and I said, well, maybe I'm getting closer to the truth.

  • I think I think the number one thing for you and me and hopefully for our Children is authenticity.

  • You know, I just want to be a real person, Talk to people directly.

  • Uh, if I made a mistake, owned the mistake.

  • Um, but also, uh, don't hold grudges and don't have a millstone of regret.

  • I think that's the big lesson for London real listeners and viewers.

  • You can make mistakes born from ego and pride or just lack of competence.

  • So seriously different things can cause a mistake, but don't live in the past.

  • I don't wake up in the morning and kick myself in the pants because I did something stupid in the White house that got me fired.

  • I take that millstone of regret and I put it uh, on a table beside me and I go forward and I think about all the exciting things that can happen in life from here, but owning the mistake, I think does give you uh an advantage.

  • You know, when I was on Stephen Colbert's show, the late night community said, well, did you think you're gonna last a long time in the White House?

  • I was like longer than a carton of milk in the refrigerator and they was gonna get blown out before the milk spoil.

  • I think people admire that.

  • They admire the fact that you're able to be accountable, but also be self deprecating about it.

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