Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles (dynamic intro music) - The world is changing. Inspiration is everywhere. It has never been so easy to connect, share, and bring people together. We're learning from others and finding the best in ourselves. (upbeat dynamic music) Challenging our beliefs, sharing our vulnerability, overcoming our fears, transforming ourselves so we can transform the world. How far can we go. This is "London Real," I am Brian Rose. My guest today is.. (dramatic music) - Shall we do this gentlemen? - Go for it. Got his timer right here, man. - Let's do this Max. Let's do this Alessio. - Do it. - This is "London Real." I am Brian Rose, with me today is Alessio Rastani, the Robin Hood of Wall Street, some say. He's known to the world first on BBC live television for telling us that Goldman Sachs rules the world. Max, did you see that? - Seminal moment in television history? Alessio! Br, br, tell the world the truth about Goldman Sachs. The BBC was shocked. - It was awesome. - They were shocked, they looked around like "What? "What's going on? "Who let this guy in? "Oh my God! (Alessio laughing) "Somebody called my lawyer, my accountant, it's all wrong." "It's all good." "It's all bad." - I love that one. You would have seen Alessio first, we had him on the show, it was an episode I called, "Money Never Sleeps." You guys get the reference to Wall Street? Yeah. That's before- - Yeah. Really clever. - That's before the second movie came out. - Yeah. Really. - Thank you very much. - Michael Douglas. - Awesome. - Was really good. - I know this is gonna be a tough audience, and- - It's a good episode on this show, "The Alessio Show." - Oh, thank you. - He goes into the truth. - Thank you. - The truth. - Truth timeout. - And with us today is Mr. Max Keiser. Could you be of any doubt? He is an American broadcaster and filmmaker. He hosts "Keiser Report." - Oh so we started? - Yeah. Yeah, we started. (Alessio laughs) - All right. Great. - You host "Keiser Report," which is a financial programme broadcast on RT, formerly known as Russia Today. - Yeah. - And three times a week, I think- - Yeah, three. You've done your notes well, thank you. You've done your homework. - Thank you. - Three times a week, that's right. - You've you've presented for the BBC, Al Jazeera, you write for the "Huffington Post," blah, blah, blah. Welcome, thank you so much for coming. - It's great to be here. - It's a pleasure having you Max. - Yeah, it's fantastic. - You know, I say we get straight to it gentleman. Let's toss it all out the window because why we're here is to talk about, what is a Bitcoin and why do we care Max? - I thought we were gonna start off talking about Martha Stewart. (Alessio laughing) Because Alessio has his copy of "Success Magazine." - Hold that up. - That he brought along with the Martha Stewart. - Hold that up right there. - It's a good magazine you should read it. - Yeah, they've changed their remit a little bit, it's now it's about success getting out of jail. That this is how they get out of jail. - If for any reason I thought my show wouldn't get hijacked. What was I thinking? Continue, continue. Who's the former CEO of Enron, it's Skilling, Jeff Skilling. He's success because they're let him out of jail early, 10 years early, he's success. - It's a good lawyer. - "Cause he's got out of jail. So I also, you know, all the jails privatised now, they're owned by private corporations. So the great thing for that, if you're in one of these private jails you can get out by doing a leveraged buyout of the jail. You could borrow a billion or 5 billion or 10 billion, you buy the jail- - And let yourself out. - And you walk out a free man 'cause you see that's the the economy that we're in right now. It's all good. It's all possible. - I love that. - There's no limit to the amount of credit you can borrow at almost 0% interest if you're on the inside or on the right side of the interest rate apartheid wall, as I call it. - It all right, I like that. And I wanna talk more about that, and I wanna talk about gold and silver. But right now we've got to talk Bitcoin. Max, everyone says you're the expert. I go on Twitter, everyone's like "Max, Max, Max, Max." I know no one's the expert on this thing. - In this town, I'm one of few people that has immersed myself into Bitcoin. - Why did you choose Bitcoin, 'cause you do a lot of other things too? - Yeah. Well, I guess it goes back to the early '90s, you know, when the internet first came around and I was very intrigued by that. I was living in Paris at the time, and I picked up a copy of "WIRED" magazine and I just immersed myself in to the internet. And this was just before or at about the time that Netscape was going public, 1994. And this was right when, the internet had been around for a while, but it was gonna go through this explosive growth period. So I was living in Paris and I went to Los Angeles and I just threw myself into the internet. And people in Los Angeles were very frightened of the internet, they didn't want anything to do with the internet. Nobody had email addresses. They laughed, they said it's a fad, it's gonna go away. And then we had "The Blair Witch Project" came along, which was really made, you know, Hollywood take notice because it was made for like 60,000 bucks or a 100,000 bucks and it did $200 million globally. And it was entirely internet driven. It was like six months before it opened it had this grassroots internet-based campaign. And so now suddenly Hollywood got interested, but then they had the problem of intellectual property and copyrights and all that kind of going up against their core business model of controlling the copyright at all costs. But, anyway, they took on the internet. The internet, of course, exploded in popularity as such and I created some technology around that, the virtual specialist technology for trading virtual currencies. And I invented the virtual currency, virtual trading, virtual securities and a virtual trading platform. And it has a patent on this, it's U.S. patented, there's actually now four patents relating to this. - Was this the Hollywood Exchange. - The Hollywood Stock Exchange. - Does it still exist? - Yeah, eventually it was sold to Cantor Fitzgerald, and then they moved the whole thing to the top floor of the World Trade Centre at about six months before 9/11. - Wow. - So it had a happy ending, I guess. - You know that guy had cancer, he retrieved like a statue he had on his desk from the a 110th floor. It's like some piece of metal and they brought it to him out of the rubble, like a year later, and they were like "Here." - Well, I'm writing, see this is a segues into my Bitcoin a little bit, because I have a film project, and one of my other projects, internet project called "Pirate My Film." It's a story about a Morgan Stanley broker who when the first tower was hit on 9/11, he had a choice whether to stay and trade options on airlines and make a lot of money on insider trading or to run for his life. - That's right. - Is this is a real story? - Well, I'm piecing together all these bits and pieces. - I like it already. - And so it looks like he chose to trade options, and then the second tower got hit and he's dead and those options were never collected. It's in an account, Alex Brown, the $5 million of the profits. I used to work at Alex Brown. And so I know, for example, Buzzy Krongard, I met a couple of times. He was working for the CIA, he had been working for Alex Brown. - This is before Bankers Trust bought them? - Deutsche Bank. - Banks Trust then Deutsche Bank. - Bought Alex Brown. - Okay (indistinct) - There was a lot of a chatter going on between the CIA and Alex Brown leading up to the 9/11 attacks. So those options were skyrocketing in value, and the volume was exploding. So there's a lot of chatter, whether, you know, there's a lot of information being passed around and people were trading on that information. - So he was shorting the airlines. - He's buying the puts, essentially, the same thing- - Yeah, same thing. - Shorting the stock or buying puts. So he was speculating on, so- - It wasn't a (indistinct) play, just puts. - If you look at, like, for example, I was working on Wall Street during the shuttle disaster when it blew up, and right after the shuttle blew up, this was in maybe '86 or '85- - Yeah '86. - And Morton Thiokol was the lead contractor on the solid rocket boosters. - O-rings, the o-ring, yeah. - And the puts on that thing, you know, obviously you made a killing if you got in there quick enough. So while Christa McAuliffe is, you know, fish food all over the ocean, you know, we were in the brokerage firm, like, you know, buying these options, you know, making lots of money, But the options exploded in value on the upside, the puts, in a way before the 9/11. So you saw the same thing, like something blew up, but before anything happened, that's how they were trading. So it says on the official 9/11 report that they looked into the trading, but it was an official, reputable firm, Alex Brown, so we trust them and we're not gonna investigate any further. But even though, obviously, there was a lot of information being passed around. So I put together the story about this guy, and, you know, it's a classic American story; your life, you know, run with your life or make a few million bucks, you know. And then everyone has to make that decision every day now, especially on the frontline of capitalism as such. So he chose, you know, go for the money and, you know, he didn't make it out. - Reasonable decision. - (chuckles) So he's gone. - Maybe he thought he couldn't make it out.