I don't I don't know.

Just, you know, typically, when you go and you see teams that made it there in a gym packed with all their fans and everybody is celebrating, you got the mascot, got a lot of different things going on, and just it felt a little still.

It fell a little bit anti climatic.

And even when the brackets came out, I was like, Oh, the West, the East, the south And he just kept saying Indianapolis and I was like, March madness.

Can we not get creative like we named the region something different?

Maybe, you know, for John Wooden, maybe for John Thompson, maybe for somebody something different to kind of put a twist on it.

And I know they have a lot of their play other than just the marketing collateral around the tournament.

But it still felt weird to me.

I wouldn't I wouldn't know because I agree with you and I feel like you're right.

How much time did you have to prepare for this?

We've known they were going in the bubble for?

Yeah, And you're gonna tell me that now we're going to think, Why didn't we just get sponsors for each of these regionals?

Why are we just calling them East, West and Midwest?

And maybe they tried and the numbers just didn't work to the point where it made sense, and they just kept it.

They want to send them, like if you're gonna start after coaches now, you're gonna offend some players, like people know you.

We didn't have March madness.

Not last year.

Do you know how much brands would love to be a part of this?

Because the amount of people that are going to be at home watching this doesn't that open.

We will see, I get that.

But doesn't it also open you up for a little more criticism?

What do we always say?

It's already happening though, Allen.

I mean, we're talking about the Michigan State sponsored by Rocket Mortgage.

It's already happening.

They're already getting that money, so why not get?

But I'm just saying sometimes in these situations, as you know, Jay, the numbers, you know how it is in negotiations.

It's like, Okay, we're trying to get this number This is what it's worth to us, and they can't get that number.

So ultimately, in the end, they're like, Well, it's better we don't give it up, We may do something else And then I don't know, Maybe throughout the course of of the tournament they switched.

They hit the switch and they do something different.

I mean, I don't I mean, I guess for me, it's just like it's in Indy.

Maybe they're doing that to remind everyone it's an indie.

Or maybe there's a deal in place with the City of of Indie.

To be able to say, Maybe you have to do it this way.

I love watching Patrick Ewing succeed.

I didn't think he was actually going to be able to do this.

When we first got the job three years ago, I was like, Well, you know, how does an NBA coach going to transition lifestyle, get into the trenches, recruit and and look, winning The Big East tournament has extended the runway for him in a massive way because I mean, his first year he was five and 13.

Next year he bounced back.

There were 19 and 14, Um, but last year in conference.

They were five and 13, 15 and 17, right?

So they were under 500 this year to exactly exactly, Um, so this year the fact that they finished a little bit, you know, not great in the conference, but they put together a magical run, and they have a top recruiting class coming in next year like this is propels Patrick Ewing into a different state of mind.

These guys, you know, you say to yourself like J just said they didn't register, that he would try to have some Mao.

He would have some mild success in Georgetown when you think about not only him and Juwan Howard, these are two guys that are NBA lifers, whether it's playing or coaching.

But they've been able to see young guys come from college and make the transformation to the N B A.

So there's always a natural thought that goes through the minds of people.

How can they make that jump because they've been in the NBA.

But when you got young guys that that you drafted you in training camp with, you see them and you get an understanding.

Basketball is so much different than football when coaches go from one level to the next.

He's got to also be around au circuits.

He sees all of those sort of things, how people reacted, how to, uh, push the buttons of young individuals to succeed and how successful they want to be.

They were successful in college.

They had coaches that led them.

John Thompson recruited him.

He saw he saw Matombo.

He saw, uh, Alonzo Mourning Iverson.

He saw all those things.

So you can take a little bit from John Thompson and imply that in your brain to the next level.

Now, all of a sudden you are the guy who's coaching.

You take those same principles and you bring them forward in the modern day and these kids that are playing basketball right now, you can resonate with him.

He's not even though he's a but you say that it's are to a degree, but he's not oblivious to what's going on in the world.

But you say that right?

And there's also a style of coaching, and I know J with your connection to college basketball.

I'm curious what you think about this, because there is this sense now in all of sports where there's this generation of athletes that don't want the John Thompson kind of coaching where he's tough on you, where he's going to be in your face where he might like, remember that it was a great, um, miked up moment in the huddle where one of Patrick's players, early in his first couple of years coaching, took like some kind of step back shot.

It was a bad shot in the huddle.

They haven't miked up, and he's like, You practice that shot.

Did you ever take that shot?

Just completely embarrasses the kid.

It was great, though.

Now, you know.

But I bet you, in the end, he probably put his arms around him.

When he walked in the tunnel, we might not saw right.

We didn't see that, but it's.

But that moment went viral.

And everybody, of course, now looks at the kid he's yelling at.

But But, you know, can.

I had a great quote from Pat Riley, who coached Patrick Ewing with the Knicks, obviously, and he said, if I was a high school player and I was really good, I'd want to go with somebody who is not going to kiss my butt.

He used another word who coached the hell out of me and made me better.

I guarantee I'd want to play for Patrick Ewing is that style is his style.

Can you still coach that way?

I'll tell you this, as as the father of a teenage athlete, I say it's parents more than it is because I think kids would respond if they weren't always told is the coach's fault.

Do you think the way Patrick coaches young players, that his style now that he's had some success, he's shown, I brought Georgetown back that he will start attracting the top players because they're like, I want to play for a coach like that who will get in my face and get the best out of me?

Well, you're not only coach the players, you have to coach the parents to.

Now, you know this about being a college coach.

Everybody thinks so.

It's only what you do on the floor and what kind of skills you put the kids through.

No, you're coaching the parents on how to be supportive and how to allow you to leeway to actually coach your son and understand or your daughter that I have to push certain buttons to see how they respond to constantly mold them like wet clay.

I will say I will also say this key You talked about this one time you're you're giving example of being on the field and you you do the box around your face joking around like you know my face, right to a degree.

Think about this for guys like got Patrick Ewing or Juwan Howard.

When they walk into a room, it's different.

You know who they are.

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