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  • >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY, WELCOME BACK.

  • JOINING ME NOW IS A FORMER WHITE HOUSE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR

  • FOR PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, WHO CURRENTLY HOST HISS HOSTS

  • DEADLINE: WHITE HOUSE ON MSNBC.

  • PLEAS WELCOME NICOLLE WALLACE.

  • GOOD TO SEE YOU.

  • >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

  • >> FIRST OF ALL HAPPY INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY.

  • >> THANK YOU.

  • >> HOW ARE YOU CELEBRATING?

  • >> YOU KNOW, THERE IS SO MUCH TO KORCH STILL.

  • I TO COVER STILL, HI A NORMAL DAY, I DID REMOTE SCHOOL WITH MY

  • SON, CAME TO WORK AND TWO DAYS OF COVERING THIS REMARKABLE

  • TIME, SO IT STILL FEELS LIKE A PRIVILEGE.

  • WE COVERED PRESIDENT BIDEN'S REMARKS WHICH ARE LIKE

  • EVERYTHING HE IS DOING, IT IS MARKING AN IMPORTANT DAY THAT HE

  • DID IT WITH THE PROMOTION OF TWO WOMEN TO FOUR FOUR STAR

  • GENERALS.

  • SO YOU KNOW, A PRETTY GOOD WOMAN'S DAY SO FAR.

  • >> Stephen: ABOUT BIDEN, DO YOU ENJOY THE BORING ASPECT OF

  • THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AS MUCH AS I DO?

  • >> YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE BORING

  • GREAT AGAIN.

  • I DON'T THINK IT'S BORING.

  • I THINK HE INHERITED THE COUNTRY IN ITS MOST TUMULTUOUS MOMENT.

  • AND I THINK WE ARE STILL IN THAT POSITION WHERE THE CURTAIN IS

  • STILL GETTING YANKED DOWN ON THE UGLY MESS UNDERNEATH.

  • SO I THINK THE BIDEN STORY MAY UNFOLD IN LESS VIOLENT WAYS, THE

  • ACRIMONY OF THE TWEETS AND THE VIOLENT INTERVIEWS ON FOX NEWS,

  • BUT I THINK THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT IS BEING PUT DOWN AND

  • REVEALED IS SOME OF THE MOST TUMULTUOUS THINGS HAVE I EVER

  • SEEN IN TERMS OF THE PANDEMIC, IN TERMS OF THE RISE IN WHITE

  • SUPREMACY, IN BEGINNING TO UNPACK WHAT WENT ON FOR FOUR

  • QUEERS, I THINK IT IS STILL A LOT FOR ME.

  • >> THE STORY IS FRAUGHT AND THE ACTION IS SUBSTANTIVE BUT IT'S

  • NO SIZZLE, ALL STEAK, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

  • THERE IS NO FLASH, IT JUST HAPPENS.

  • THE NEWS IS ACTUALLY NEWSWORTHY ALL THE TIME WHICH IS WHAT I

  • REALLY LIKED ABOUT IT.

  • THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE, 20-- 2019, I THINK, AND SINCE

  • THEN STARLTING IN AUGUST YOUR SHOW WENT FROM ONE HOUR TO TWO

  • HOURS.

  • ARE CONGRATULATIONS IN ORDER OR CONDOLENCES BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO

  • LOOK TWICE AS LONG.

  • >> IT IS SUCH A PRIVILEGE.

  • WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN AMAZING TEAM AND IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO

  • GET TO BE SHEP HARDING THESE HOURS THROUGH.

  • YOU LOOK AT, YOU DO IT WITH A LOT MORE SKILL AND HUMOR THAN I

  • DO BUT I LOOK AT THE SAME SORT OF MOMENTS IN OUR COUNTRY, IT

  • SAY PRIVILEGE.

  • WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON TV COVERING SOME OF THE EVENTS THIS

  • YEAR.

  • WE COVERED ANOTHER IMPEEVEMENT.

  • I THINK I SAW YOU-- IMPEACHMENT.

  • I THINK I SAW IF HE BEGINNING OF THE FIRST IMPEACHMENT, THEN A

  • SECOND IMPEACHMENT.

  • THEN AN INSURRECTION AND INAUGURATION, SO THERE HAS BEEN

  • A LOT TO COVER AND IT IS ALL A PRIVILEGE TO SIT WITH ALL OF OUR

  • COLLEAGUES HERE.

  • >> YOU WORK FOR THE WHITE HOUSE, FOR SIX YEARS.

  • SO THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

  • AND NOW YOU COVER IT.

  • AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN ON THE INSIDE OF A WHITE HOUSE, THIS

  • WEEK, THE WEEKEND THE SENATE PASSED BIED EARN'S AMERICAN

  • RESCUE PLAN, HOW BIG A DEAL IS THIS, AND WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT

  • THIS ADMINISTRATION THAT THAT WAS THEIR FIRST PRIORITY?

  • >> WELL, IT IS A HUGE DEAL, I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAYS

  • BACK IN MY DAY.

  • BACK IN MY DAY WHEN YOU HAD 70% PUBLIC APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING,

  • IT WAS JUST A NO-BRAINER THAT IT WOULD BE BIPARTISAN, SO IT IS SO

  • REMARKABLE ARE ALL THESE SORT OF PROOF POINTS OF HOW MUCH THE

  • COUNTRY HAS CHANGED.

  • HOW MUCH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS CHANGED.

  • SO PRESIDENT BIDEN JUST HAS THIS HUGE, HUGE STIMULUS, I THINK

  • 70%, 76% OF ALL NARYN AMERICANS SUPPORT IT, A PLUR ALLITY OF

  • REPUBLICANS SUPPORT IT.

  • ZERO REPUBLICANS GOT BEHIND IT.

  • I WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO PUSH BIPARTISAN LEGISLATION IN THE

  • FIRST YEAR, TED KENNEDY SIGNED OFF THE LEAVE NO CHILD BEHIND,

  • THERE WAS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT TO HAVE BY PART SAJ

  • SUPPORT-- BIPARTISAN SUPPORT BUT NOWHERE NEAR 76% OF PUBLIC

  • APPROVAL FOR EITHER MEASURE, SO IT SEE BIPARTISANSHIP REDEFINED

  • MIGHT BE ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SORT OF THINGS THAT

  • THIS WHITE HOUSE HAS PULLED OFF SO FAR.

  • >> YOU CALLED YOURSELF A NONPRACTICING REPUBLICAN, IS

  • THAT WHAT IT IS?

  • >> I THINK I MOVED INTO SELF-LOATHING FORMER REPUBLICAN.

  • >> Stephen: I DON'T WANT YOU TO ANSWER FOR THE REPUBLICAN

  • PARTY AND I'M NOT HERE TO RELITIGATE THE BUSH

  • ADMINISTRATION.

  • BUT I USED TO TALK ABOUT THIS THING CALLED POOFINESS, ABOUT

  • BELIEVING WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE TO WIN THE POLITICAL

  • FIGHT RATHER THAN WHAT THE FACT WAS SUPPORT.

  • THAT IS NOT A NEW IDEA.

  • I THINK TREMP ADDED DEM GOINGERY TO T THAT IS SOMETHING THE BUSH

  • ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T HAVE, HE WAS NOT A DEMAGOGUE.

  • THAT IS WHAT TURNED IT IN A POISON OTS POLITICAL WEAPON,

  • DON'T YOU SEE SOME CONTINUEIUM BETWEEN CARL ROVE, YOU PEOPLE IN

  • THE REALITY-BASED COMMUNITY, THAT SORT OF BACKHANDED SLAP TO

  • REALITY THAT LEADS TO THE BIG LIE TODAY?

  • I SEE THOSE ON A SPECTRUM.

  • >> I THINK THAT'S FAIR.

  • I WAS A COMMUNICATOR.

  • I WAS A SPINNER, SO I HAD CULPABILITY THERE.

  • BUT IT ALSO GIVES ME AN INCITE.

  • AND I PROMISE YOU, THE OBSERVATION IS THAT THERE IS NO

  • LONGER A PARTY TRYING TO PUT THE BEST POSSIBLE SPIN ON THINGS,

  • THERE A PARTY COMING FROM THE FOUNDATION OF -- THERE IS NO

  • EXPLANATION ROOTED IN FACT FA FOR JOSH HAWLEY RAISING HIS FIST

  • AT THE INSURRECTIONISTS.

  • THERE WAS NO EXPLANATION ROOTED IN FACT FOR NEVER CARING ABOUT

  • THE COST OF ANYTHING DONALD TRUMP WANTED TO DO BUT HOLDING

  • THAT UP AS A REASON TO BE AGAINST THE COVID RELIEF PACKAGE

  • OR I'M SURE THEY WILL FIND A REASON TO BE AGAINST

  • INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A THING I'M TOLD BY

  • SECRETARY BUTTIGIEG IND THIS ADMINISTRATION.

  • SO I AM NOT HERE TO DEBATE WHETHER IT IS PART OF A

  • CONTINUUM BUT IT IS NOW NOT ROOTED, PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD A

  • REALLY DIFFERENT VIEW ABOUT POST WAR IRAQ.

  • HE BELIEVED IN SEPARATING THE COUNTRIES.

  • AND THERE WAS A DEBATE BETWEEN DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS.

  • I THINK RIGHT NOW REPUBLICANS, I'M SNOT SURE THEY WOULD

  • ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A WAR TOOK PLACE IN IRAQ OR AMERICANS DIED

  • IN IRAQ.

  • THEY ARE SO FAR FROM THE TRUTH THAT YOU CAN NO LONGER HAVE A

  • CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT HOW THO SOLVE ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY

  • DON'T AGREE ON WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE, AND THAT TERRIFIES ME.

  • >> Stephen: HOW DO YOU THINK-- DO YOU THINK THE

  • REPUBLICANS HAVE A CHANCE TO GET OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THE SHADOWS

  • OF DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE THERE ARE BETS BEING LAID IN VARIOUS

  • PARTS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AS TO WHAT THE FUTURE IS GOING TO

  • BE AND WHERE THE POWER IS GOING TO RESIDE.

  • TRUMP HAS SAID YOU CAN'T USE MY NAME OR IMAGE, R SNRKS C-- RNC

  • OR I WILL SUE YOU AND THE RNC CAPPITY LATED AND WILL HOLD A

  • FUNDRAISER AT MAR A LAGO.

  • THEY WILL FEED THE BEAST.

  • DADDY WILL GET HIS BEEK WET ON THAT ONE.

  • DOES THAT PAINT THE PICTURE OF TRYING TO GET OUT FROM UNDER HIS

  • THUMB.

  • >> I THINK IT IS ON US PEOPLE LIKE ME TO COVER IT DIFFERENTLY,

  • REPUBLICANS ARE NOT HOSS TAJ TO DONALD TRUFER, WHEN HE WAS

  • DEPLATFORMED, HE IS A GUY WHO CAN'T TWEET AND THEY ARE SORT OF

  • WALKING BACK INTO THE CAGE AND LOCKING THE DOOR THEMSELVES AND

  • THROWING OCCUPANT THE KEY.

  • THEY ARE NOW WALKING BACK IN.

  • AND CHOOSING TO ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES WITH SOMEONE WHO

  • INCITED AN INSURRECTION AGAINST THEM WHO CHANTED HANG MIKE

  • PENCE.

  • I THINK THAT THERE THEIR ACT SINCE ELECTION DAY REVEALS

  • SOMETHING THAT WAS ALWAYS OPAQUE AND MYSTERIOUS TO ME WHILE HE

  • WAS PRESIDENT.

  • THEY ARE NOT FORCED TO GO ALONG WITH TRUMPISM BECAUSE THEY HAVE

  • NO CHOICE.

  • THEY CHOOSE IT HE IS OFF TWITTER THERE IS NO RATIONAL FEAR OF A

  • MEAN TWEET.

  • THEY NOW GO TO MAR A LAGO LIKE IT IS SOME, I DON'T KNOW,

  • PILGRIMAGE THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO DO.

  • SO I THINK WE HAVE TO START COVERING IT DIFFERENTLY.

  • THEY ARE NOW THE ONES WHO ARE CHOOSING TO ASSOCIATE WITH HIM.

  • THERE IS NOTHING FORCING THEM TO DO SO.

  • >> Stephen: THERE WEEK MARKS ONE YEAR SINCE COVID UPENDED ALL

  • OF OUR LIVES.

  • AND YOU HAVE A SPECIAL ON WEDNESDAY CALLED LIVES WELL

  • LIVED WHICH IS BASED ON A REGULAR SEGMENT YOU DO ON YOUR

  • SHOW.

  • TELL ME HOW IT STARTED.

  • >> I REMEMBER BEING IN THE WHITE HOUSE ON 9/11 AND ONE OF THE

  • THINGS THAT NEVER BECAME POLITICIZED FROM THE-- ONE OF A

  • FEW THINGS WAS REMEMBERING THE PEOPLE ON FLIGHT 93 ARE, FOR

  • THEIR LAST MOMENTS, FOR THEIR HEROIC ACT.

  • WE STILL AS A COUNTRY READ THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN

  • THE PO TOWERS.

  • I ACTUALLY THINK THAT SOME OF THE UNPROCESSED GRIEF AND TERROR

  • OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY MAY HAVE SORT OF SEEPED IN AND

  • BECOME PART OF OUR BODY POLITICS IN WAYS THAT WE DIDN'T

  • UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE, EVEN WITH SOME OF THOSE RITUALS OF

  • GRIEVING.

  • WHEN PEOPLE STARTED DYING IN HORRIFIC NUMBERS IN APRIL OF

  • LAST YEAR IN NEW YORK CITY.

  • IT WAS NOTHING THERE WAS NOTHING, THEY DIED ALONE.

  • SOME OF THEIR LAST IMAGES WITH THEIR FAMILIES WERE ON COMPUTERS

  • AND iPADS HOLDINGS THE HANDS OF EXHAUSTED NURSES.

  • THEY COULDN'T BE BURIED OR WHATEVER THEIR FAITH HAD AS

  • THEIR RITUAL AND THERE WAS NOTHING.

  • THERE WERE BEAUTIFUL OBITUARIES WRITTEN IN NEWSPAPERS BUT THAT

  • WAS IT.

  • AND I JUST REMEMBER THINKING THAT THAT COULDN'T BE, AND

  • SURELY SOMEONE WILL DO SOMETHING SOON, BUT UNTIL THEN WE'LL DO

  • SOMETHING HERE.

  • AND BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP WAS OUR PRESIDENT, THERE WAS NEVER ANY

  • NATIONAL EFFORT TOO HOLD THIS FAMILY, THEY DIDN'T GET TO HOLD

  • THEIR LOVED ONES AS THEY DIED.

  • AND THERE WAS NEVER ANY HOLDING THEM UP OR ANY ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF

  • THEIR SACRIFICE BECAUSE OF BEING COMPETENT IN THE LAST

  • ADMINISTRATION, THE.

  • AND SO WE STARTED AND WE JUST HAVEN'T STOPPED AND WE HOPE TO

  • STOP.

  • WE HOPE EVERYONE IS VACCINATED AND THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT

  • WILL HEAL.

  • IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IN THE WHITE HOUSE SEEMS

  • TO BE INTENT ON FEELING.

  • >> WELL, DEADLINE WHITE HOUSE AIRS WEEKDAYS AND NICOLLE'S

  • SPECIAL LIVES WELL LIVED AIRS THIS WEDNESDAY ON MSNBC.

  • NICOLLE WALLACE, EVERYBODY.

  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH THE STAR OF I MAY DESTROY YOU,

  • MICHAELA COEL.

  • ♪♪♪♪♪

>> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY, WELCOME BACK.

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