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  • in terms of their dominance in the paint.

  • No one ever was as dominant if they got the ball download than Shaquille O'Neal.

  • But embodied in this NBA in particular is also impossible.

  • He's a legit seven footer, Stephen A to 50.

  • He's a he's a seven footer and a wide body, and he's in shape now.

  • So the down low skills are there and he's shooting fewer threes, and he's more down in the paint than before, and as a result, he's at the line more than ever before.

  • He's shooting 86% free throws, much better than Shaquille O'Neal ever did.

  • And even though he's shooting fewer threes like two or three a game 2.5, 3 threes a game, he's hitting him at, like 40% or a little better, even right now, and beat the difference primarily between shock and embodied in terms of all around skill is Embiid can shoot.

  • In fact, there's never been in the history of the NBA, a seven footer who's a big 7 ft or not a power forward, a center who can play with us back to the basket with the all around skills of Embiid you know I'm cheating a little bit there because Duncan and Elijah want more like a little shorter.

  • Embiid can do everything you want a center to do.

  • He is.

  • He's the most skilled, legit 7 ft wide body ever.

  • My response to that is Joe Oil and Beat can shoot the ball better away from the basket.

  • Um, he's clearly a better free throw shooter.

  • And so, if you want to look at it from a skilled perspective, meaning they're both over 7 ft tall and and be could do a little bit more.

  • Well, I argue with you when you made the points that you make.

  • No, not at all.

  • Here's my retort to it.

  • However.

  • I don't give a damn.

  • It means nothing because it ain't about what you can do.

  • It's about what you actually do.

  • And Shaquille O'Neal was 71 £320 was a man amongst boys and played like it every night For the vast majority of his career.

  • He treated you like the child.

  • Do you work compared to him?

  • He wants some pretty boy with a curly Afro pulling up from 20 or 23.

  • He wasn't sitting up there trying to dance and dribble the ball on the perimeter and and and and had to and had to wait until the coach got fired and they got tired of getting swept in the playoffs to learn that you're supposed to have your big butt download and be a man amongst voice.

  • I recall Joe L and B going on national television and saying Shacks right, get your big behind band down in the post and be a man and man handle these young boys because compared to you, they are boys.

  • You're making them look like men because you're not playing as hard as you can't play.

  • You are not dominating them.

  • Which was why shock at the time.

  • About a year, year and a half ago, Max, if you recalled, sat up there and said if he had to take off his Superman cake and give it to somebody, it would have been the Greek freak Yonas after the Cooper, because he goes in the hole and treats boys like they are boys.

  • What we're seeing from Joe L and B.

  • Now you applaud them for it, Max, and I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it.

  • because I love Joe L and B.

  • What I'm saying is that it also illuminates what he hasn't done.

  • But he could have done it all along.

  • Did he gain extra pounds?

  • Did all of a sudden he acquired skills?

  • He didn't have these things that you're seeing from Joe L and B right now.

  • Our skills he had last year, skills he had the year before, skills he had the year before that and when healthy, he's still in use them.

  • So when you sit up here and you talk about Joe L and B and what he's doing, what you're missing is that the ultimate indictment against them is that he didn't learn and acquire something new.

  • Doc Rivers came to the Philadelphia 76 ers and say, Yo, what the hell are you doing?

  • Get the ball and do what you're supposed You're talking What Doc said.

  • Look, that's the difference.

  • I respect because you talk about an attitude.

  • I'm not comparing their attitude.

  • I'm talking about saying, Hold on, hold on.

  • I'm not saying that you're comparing the attitude I'm saying you must.

  • I'm saying you're omitting it and just talking about his skills.

  • If you have a question that's like somebody learning from Max Kellerman.

  • Max Kellerman.

  • You're teaching them boxing.

  • You're teaching them oratorical skills and what have you and you even invite them to Colombia with you?

  • And then they get on the air and they start mumbling like shock.

  • You'd have a problem with that because you know they know better, but you know, they know better.

  • I understand your point, but I am just talking about skills.

  • I'm making a specific point about skills at his size.

  • There's never been anyone like Embiid, and in this NBA, Stephen A.

  • The offensive skills are just half of it.

  • He's the best defender in the league, probably this year.

  • And think of how versatile you have to be defensively now, compared to back in the day as a big today, I didn't think it was possible for a back to the basket type guy, which embodied can do to be an M V p.

  • But right now I think he is.

  • I saw him put him where I brought this up yesterday.

  • I saw him put a move on Cleveland over the weekend, a step back, mid range jump shot, and I didn't know it was and beat.

  • At first I thought it was a guard or forward And what?

  • That's Joel Embiid.

  • His skills.

  • We've never seen anything like it in a in a package like this and the fact that he can apply it in the modern NBA, both ends of the floor.

  • All I'm saying is, we're seeing something that new, Mac.

  • Fine, fine.

  • And here's my retort today.

  • Max Kellerman, Joe Oil and Beat is shooting 52% from the field this year.

  • Do you realize that's the first time in his career he shot better than 50% on the season?

  • Has moved inside Shaq?

  • Shaquille O'Neal shot better than 52 or 50% from the field the 1st 17 years of his career.

  • Yeah, 17% So but what I'm saying is knowing who you are and dominated from that perspective you got.

  • When you look at the skill, I'm saying you can applaud it.

  • I'm saying it's an indictment against me because the skills have been there.

  • You could have been doing this for you want to beat him up over what he was 20 years.

  • He might have been to the Finals two years ago.

  • You wanna give me flowers for what he is now or you want to beat him up for what he was.

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