He was their passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach.

He's never been an offensive coordinator at the NFL level, but he does have 27 seasons of NFL experience as a coach.

And so let us get Schefty into the conversation here.

Let's start with this, Adam.

What can you tell us about the higher?

Well, I think the Houston Texans green.

You were looking for somebody who projected a CEO type of image.

And David Kelley is a man who has been in the NFL since 1994.

As you mentioned, never been as much as a coordinator, but he does have a command of a room.

He does have the respect of his players, and he did work with Andy Reid for 16 seasons.

And so we've seen the shaman.

They effect, and now we're seeing the Andy Reid effect on a lot of people other than Eric B.

Enemy.

So David Cully comes from being an underdog to becoming the head coach of the Houston Texans.

And as you mentioned, the biggest challenge that he will face is trying to change the mind of DeShaun Watson.

But even before David Cully was hired, Chris Mortensen was told.

I was told it would not make a difference who they hired to.

Shawn Watson felt the way he did.

His feelings would be unable to change, and again, they could have gone a lot of different directions here.

They opted to go to David Cully.

The Texans did.

We'll see if that has any luck with the Shawn Watson.

I'm skeptical that it will, but David Cully is going to have a big challenge on his hands cleaning up the mess that is in Houston with the Texans, right?

And and so let's pick it up right there, Schefty, that this was the move that we were waiting to see clearly that nothing was gonna happen as far as the Sean was concerned until this decision got made.

So now what happens?

We assume Kali will meet with the Sean and try and work that what happens from here is Faras.

Watson is concern.

Well, you said we'll assume that David Cully meets with Shawn Watson when to my understanding, the organization has reached out to the Sean and he has not responded to their communication.

Now.

Maybe something's changed here in a couple of days that we don't know, but I don't think that they've been able to reach him no less.

Meet with him and David Cully.

You would hope and think would ask for and try to get a meeting with Shawn Watson again.

I'll go back to saying I'm skeptical.

That will happen.

So what will happen next is they'll see what their new head coach with the staff they put together.

And, oh, by the way, there's a real chance that Josh McCown is gonna be a part of this new coaching staff.

The Texans having interviewed him for head coaching job last week.

But there's a chance that when they put together the staff, they're hoping that whatever they do is enough to help change the mind of the Shawn Watson.

But as we've said all along, this was not about the coaching staff.

This is not about the general manager that they hired in the Cassara.

This was about the organization.

This was about the owner, Cal McNair, and this was about a man who in his own mind, I think has moved on and now officially wants to move on, okay?

And so there's the latest there.

And that certainly does not sound optimistic.

In Houston, Nique Andy would join the conversation here.

Nick, what's your reaction to all this?

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that David Kelley is gonna try to listen to Shawn Watson understanding of a relationship going back to their time of the Pro Bowl.

So maybe DeShaun Watson answers the phone when he calls.

But then what are you going to say?

Because, like, Adam just said, DeShaun Watson's issue is with the organization in the owner, David Cully knows nothing about the organization who knows less about the organization than the guy who just got there.

And I'm not sure what pitch David Cully is gonna give him, considering the fact that DeShaun Watson is a quarterback who likes to throw the ball.

And David Cully is coming from the Ravens, which the Onley thing they don't do well is throw the ball.

So I'm not sure how this lands to Shawn Watson in any better situation there, so I think the organization probably needs to move on.

And I know, as Adam said, that Shawn Watson has already moved on D.

What do you think?

That's not gonna make one damn difference?

You know, everybody said pretty much said the same thing To me, Shawn Watson seemed like a man of principle, you know, and that go and that goes directly towards, uh, the interaction that he's had with ownership.

There's nothing that David Color can do, and I just and I feel e.

I feel I feel bad for David Cully walk, you know, going to the situation.

Albeit he chose toe, you know, go with the Houston Texans.

But this is untenable situation for him.

Because what, like Dominic said, what can he possibly say at this moment in time to convince the Shawn Watson, Hey, why don't you stay here, although, you know ownership has shown his hand to you?

What?

There's nothing I could really do.

So there's I don't know what he could say to convince him what's interesting here and again.

I still don't think it would have made a difference if the Texans had hypothetically gone to Eric B.

Enemy, who once again has been bypassed in another head coaching cycle.

If they got Derek be enemy somebody that Shawn Watson I think was in favor of the team hiring.

Might that have made a difference?

I don't think so.

But maybe he would have listened to Eric B.

Enemy somebody that he's got a tremendous amount of respect for.

Had they gone to Jim Cardwell, I could think of this gym.

Kabul is very, very close, very close to Tony Dungy.

Maybe the two of them would have sat down and maybe they would have had some impact on DeShaun Watson and no disrespect.

But what is he bringing to the Why is he gonna change?

Can I ask you a question?

Adam, can I ask you a question?

Because I think that's come to question you asked me in.

The meeting is Yeah, the thing that comes to my mind is for that situation.

Is this a job that people wanted?

Because I imagine that David Cully got one interview this year.

He's been in the league for a long time, and his name hasn't come up very often.

No disrespect to him, but it wasn't like he was a highly coveted candidate.

I imagine that they might have gone and you know better than me they might have gone after some of these bigger names.

But then they looked at the organization and said, We have a quarterback who wants to get the hell out.

We have a clergyman making the roster decisions, and we have a known ER who it feels like the team doesn't trust if I am Eric B.

Enemy or Leslie Frazier or Todd Bowles, one of these coaches who are drawed Mayo, one of these coaches who look like they might have other options or might have a long time in this league.

I look at that situation where there no draft picks in the upcoming future.

I look at that situation and Cal McNair calls me and says, Hey, Eric, the enemy, why don't you take this job?

I say, No, I'm away for something that is, Ah, little less dire to show up.

So I guess you would know better to me, the question there is.

Had they offered, or did they have interest in other people in this situation and ended up with David Colleague because maybe those people did not have as much interest in the text?