But you've been unable so far to get another big name in the ring.

Why do you think that is?

Well, that's because they're scared to fight me.

I've been trying to fight, You know, the top guys.

I've been calling him out.

Um, I was I was one of the first people to actually call for Lomachenko to when he was the Boogeyman and no one wanted to fight him.

And he was a pound for pound Best that Mahoney was the only one that kept calling for Loma.

Meantime, Devin, I appreciate the fact that you're fighting whoever they put in front of you.

You're winning.

You're working your way up the rankings.

If you can't get a shot, that's not your fault.

As I said, you're doing also a very good job of getting yourself out there and promoting yourself nevertheless to me, because Tofino beat Lomachenko, who had collected all the belts Females, the lightweight champion off the world.

Like it or not, how do you feel about that?

He didn't collect all the belts.

I still have to have the WBC title.

I am the WBC world champion.

He collected a franchise title, not a belt, a franchise title.

He's not.

He's not the undisputed champion.

I am the WBC champion, so T female does not have all the belts.

But what I'm asking Devin is what I'm asking is, it's unclear who the best lightweight in the world is.

All five of you guys need to fight and sort that out.

But in terms of the traditions of boxing, the champion, the man who beat the man all for it was Loma lost.

Mama's out of it.

It's all four of us.

So you think it's a It's a single eliminator kind of tournament to see who the best lightweight in the world is.

Course you can't be the best light weight in the world and you just lost.

There's no way when you say Loma was the franchise champion.

That's the way that the WBC has of stripping a guy without really stripping him.

But then the regular champion is considered a notch below the franchise champion.

But you say because you have that belt you're disputing.

His tales claim to the title.

No, the franchise title is a way to duck your mandatory.

I have mandatory.

I'm WBC champion and I have Mandatories.

Loma didn't have mandatories.

He got.

He got elevated to the franchise champion.

And that's when I became when, when I was his mandatory, he petitioned to become a franchise champion.

So where he didn't have a any mandatories.

Deborah Haney has mandatories.

The French title is for ducks, by the way.

I want to say you're giving a legitimate point of view here and just to make it clear for the audience.

To me, my my point of view is, and a lot of people in boxing field if you've collected the belts and you can't make every mandatory because each sanctioning body is making demands, they call you a franchise champion.

They elevate you and then they vacate their quote unquote regular championship.

Devin's argument here that he just made is in fact, that's one way to look at it.

Another way to look at it is, Ah, franchise champion means you didn't have to fight your mandatory.

That's a duck.

So Devin collects the belt, because what else is he supposed to do?

Um, I appreciate that argument.

That and whether or not.

I agree with that.

I understand from your point of view.

So when you say you can't say T a female has all the belts on TV, most undisputed, or T female is a champion and the lightweight division because there's still one more belt.

He has a franchise title.

I'm a WBC world champion.

I understand your point.

We could be you and I could probably debate that for the next hour.

But it's you're pursuing your professional goals and winning all of your fights.

Ryan Garcia was on this show recently and said, You know what he wants.

Tank Davis.

Devin Haney should fight till FEMA.

Lopez and then the winner of those two fights should fight.

How do you feel about that plan?

I feel like that's funny because Ryan Garcia just fought a title eliminated title eliminator to become my mandatory.

He's my mandatory.

So instead of getting a shot at a world title here, rather go another direction.

This is the first time in history that I ever heard of this.

I never I never I never heard of anything like this where two guys, many Luke Campbell and Ryan Garcia, fight for a title eliminator to go to go fight the champion and fight for the WBC title to go to go the opposite direction.

It makes no sense.

Tank doesn't have a belt at 1 35.

Now we've seen in boxing history.

Um, sometimes there it's the tortoise and the hare, right?

Like one guy could jump out to a lead in terms of public perception.

But usually the cream rises to the top that when the when the dust settles, when the smoke clears, you see what's what.

And those are the guys who get the super fights.

Nevertheless, at least in the short run, when a guy makes a splash the way Ryan Garcia did, knocking out Luke Campbell.

What you're just pointing it out is it gives them economic clout, especially when he has eight million Instagram followers.

Are you saying that s so you have a belt?

You're disputing Te'o's claim to the championship and you're saying this dude's my mandatory, but he's acting like the champion who's ducking me.

Doesn't that point out that the belts are merely promotional tools and that the distinction of champion is separate from the belts?

I, uh I think that the belts are getting watered down and the sport of boxing, Uh, the sanctioning bodies.

And, you know, the organization's their their their water and the belts down to where the fighters are at a point where they don't even care about the belts anymore, which means I'm different.

Um, I'm a fighter that when I when I when I got into this, it wasn't only to make money, it wasn't.

Only Thio have pain.

It was to let to collect belts, and at the end of the day, I'm making crazy money.

But I want belts.

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