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  • ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HELLO, LADIES AND

  • GENTLEMEN.

  • WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW."

  • JOINING ME TONIGHT ARE THE DELIGHTFUL HOSTS OF MY FAVORITE

  • PODCAST THAT ISN'T ABOUT "THE LORD OF THE RINGS," "THE SLATE

  • POLITICAL GABFEST."

  • PLEASE WELCOME, EMILY BAZELON, JOHN DICKERSON, AND DAVID PLOTZ!

  • HELLO, YOU THREE.

  • >> HEY, STEPHEN.

  • >> Stephen: IT'S SO NICE TO SEE YOU.

  • I NORMALLY JUST HEAR YOU ON THURSDAYS OR FRIDAYS.

  • FOR THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DO NOT YET KNOW ABOUT THE "SLATE

  • POLITICAL GABFEST."

  • IT WAS MY GATEWAY DRUG FOR PODCASTS.

  • IT WAS THE FIRST PODCAST I LISTENED TO SO ALL MY PODCAST

  • ADDICTIONS ARE YOUR FAULT.

  • WHAT DAYS DO THE NEW ONES COME OUT?

  • >> THEY COME OUT THURSDAY EVENINGS.

  • >> Stephen: WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE SHOW IS IT FEELS LIKE-- IT

  • HAS ALWAYS FELT TO ME FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE INTERESTED IN

  • POLITICS, IS YOU'RE THE FOURTH PERSON AT A LITTLE FOUR-TOP

  • LUNCH TABLE ON A FRIDAY AND YOU GUYS ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT

  • JUST HAPPENED AND WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN IN WASHINGTON, OR WHAT

  • THE MAJOR ISSUES ARE.

  • HOW DID IT START?

  • WHAT'S THE ORIGIN STORY OF THIS LITTLE-- THIS LITTLE POLITICAL

  • AVENGERS?

  • >> THE FIRST PRODUCER OF THE "GAB FEST" ANDY BOWERS SAID HE

  • WANTED A SHOW THAT WOULD BE LIKE HANGING OUT AT THE BAR WITH THE

  • PANELISTS ON TV AFTER THE SHOW.

  • SO FORGET THE BORING PART.

  • FORGET THE STUFF YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SAY.

  • HE WANTED JUST LIKE WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT, WHAT

  • JOURNALISTS TALK ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE HANGING OUT.

  • THAT WAS THE CONCEPTION.

  • SO LUCKILY FOR US, NOBODY LISTENED TO THE SHOW FOR THE

  • FIRST YEAR OR SO, SO WE DID FEEL LIKE WE WERE JUST HANGING OUT

  • BECAUSE NO ONE TOLD US THEY HAD HEARD IT.

  • BY THE TIME PEOPLE STARTED LISTENING, WE HAD AN IDEA-- WE

  • HAVE A LOT OF TRUST AMONG US ABOUT HOW TO DO THE SHOW.

  • >> WHEN WE DID THE FIRST SHOW WE HAD, "A," NO IDEA.

  • WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LISTEN TO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THE MOST

  • BORING PEOPLE AT THE BAR OR THE PEOPLE THEY DON'T LET INTO THE

  • BAR WERE TALKING ABOUT.

  • I MEAN, WE WERE-- WE WERE-- WE HAD A LEARNING CURVE TO GO.

  • >> WE'RE STILL THE NERDS AT THE BAR!

  • >> Stephen: SURE, SURE.

  • AND THAT'S THE-- THAT'S THE TAG LINE FOR THE 15th

  • ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION, "NOT AS BORING AS WE USED TO BE.

  • JOHN DICKERSON."

  • >> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SELL THEM.

  • >> Stephen: EMILY, AXEIOS REPORTED YESTERDAY THE PRESIDENT

  • IS PLANNING MASS PARDONS LIKE CHRISTMAS GIFTS, EVEN TO PEOPLE

  • NOT ASKING FOR THEM.

  • ARE THERE RULES ON ISSUING PARDONS?

  • OR CAN WE JUST SORT OF LODE THE PARDONS IN THE TANK AND CROP

  • DUST ALL HIS CRONIES WITH FORGIVENESS?

  • >> HE CAN GIVE THEM OUT AS HE CHOOSES.

  • MAYBE HE CAN'T PARDON HIMSELF, BUT EVEN THAT ISN'T CLEAR.

  • BUT WHAT I LIKE THE BEST ABOUT THE STORY YOU JUST TOLD, IS ARE

  • BEING OFFERED PARDONS WHO DON'T WANT PARDONS.

  • THEY'RE LIKE, "I DIDN'T DO A CRIME.

  • I DON'T WANT THE STIGMA OF YOUR SUGGESTION THEY DID.

  • PLEASE DON'T PARDON ME."

  • THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

  • >> Stephen: I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND,

  • THERE'S A 100-YEAR-OLD RULING FROM THE SUPREME COURT THAT SAYS

  • ACCEPTING A PARDON IS AN ADMISSION OF GUILT.

  • >> RIGHT.

  • IT SUGGESTS THAT YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG AND THAT THERE

  • IS SOMETHING TO FORGIVE HERE.

  • AND SO, THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF LIMIT ON PARDONS IN

  • TERMS OF HOW THE PRESIDENT ACTUALLY USES THEM, SOME SENSE

  • THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY WRONGDOING.

  • AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US NOT TO LOSE

  • THAT NORM BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS BEING LOST.

  • >> Stephen: DAVID, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ONE OF YOUR

  • PARTICULAR IDIOCENTRICKITIES THAT I NOTICED OVER THE YEARS,

  • YOU'RE SORT OF FAMOUS AMONG GAPFEST FANS WITH BEING OKAY

  • WITH POLITICAL CORRUPTION, THAT A LITTLE CORRUPTION IS OKAY.

  • WHEN TRUMP IS OUT OF OFFICE, DO YOU THINK-- AND THIS IS FOR

  • EVERYBODY, BUT AT FIRST TO DAVID-- SHOULD THERE BE

  • INVESTIGATIONS?

  • BECAUSE DON'T YOU HAVE A SENSE THAT THIS-- THIS ORGANIZATION

  • MADE THE HARDING ADMINISTRATION LOOK LIKE CHOIR BOYS?

  • AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE THROWN IN JAIL, WE SHOULD KNOW

  • WHAT HAPPENED?

  • >> I THINK I WAS FOR POLITICAL CORRUPTION BEFORE DONALD TRUMP

  • SHOWED UP.

  • I'M FOR POLITICAL CORRUPTION IN THE SENSE THAT I THINK A LITTLE

  • BIT OF FAVOR-DOING-- POLITICS IS SORT OF ART OF DOING FAVORS FOR

  • EACH OTHER.

  • YOU GET A LITTLE SOMETHING FROM ME, AND GET A LITTLE SOMETHING

  • FROM YOU.

  • SO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CAN BE CORRUPT.

  • >> Stephen: SO EAR MARKS YOU'RE OKAY WITH?

  • >> 100% OKAY WITH EAR MARKS.

  • WHAT'S SHOCKING-- WE MAY NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH-- HOW MANY PEOPLE

  • HAVE DRILLED THINGS, HOW MUCH SOOT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO BE

  • DUMPED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, HOW MUCH MERCURY I'M GETTING TO

  • INJECHT BECAUSE SOME TEXAS COMPANY IS ALLOWED TO POUR

  • MERCURY.

  • AND IT'S-- IT IS HORRIFYING TO IMAGINE WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

  • THAT SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT-- I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR THE

  • COUNTRY'S GOOD THAT YEARS OF INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT THE

  • TRUMPS HAVE DONE IS GOING TO GET US VERY FAR.

  • >> BUT IF WE DON'T INVESTIGATE, IF WE DON'T AT LEAST LOOK UNDER

  • THE ROCK, THEN WE LOSE THAT KIND OF DETERRENCE, RIGHT?

  • THEN THE NEXT PEOPLE COME ALONG, AND THERE'S THIS-- YOU'VE JUST

  • LOWERED THE BAR FOR WHAT THE NEXT SET OF POLITICIANS FEEL

  • LIKE THEY CAN DO.

  • >> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS-- ONE OF THE REASONS YOU NEED TO FIND

  • OUT WHAT HAPPENED IS BECAUSE IN THE OLD DAYS, THE NORMS WOULD B

  • BE-- WOULD BE POLICED BY PEOPLE IN YOUR OWN PARTY.

  • I MEAN, SO THAT YOU COULD AGREE THAT SOMEBODY HAD STEPPED OVER A

  • LINE, AND NOBODY SHOULD DO THAT WITHOUT NECESSARILY HAVING TO GO

  • ALL THE WAY TO HAVING AN INVESTIGATION.

  • BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN A MOMENT WHEN NORMS CAN BE BROKEN AND NOBODY

  • FROM YOUR TEAM WILL SPEAK UP, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN NAIL DOWN

  • THE INFORMATION AND SAY, "THIS IN FACT WAS A LINE THAT WAS

  • CROSSED," IS BY TAKING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO AN

  • INVESTIGATION.

  • >> BUT, JOHN, THEN YOU END UP WITH IMPEACHMENT-- WHICH WAS THE

  • RIGHT THING TO DO-- BUT WHERE YOU HAVE THE COUNTRY-- I MEAN, A

  • COUNTRY OPERATING HALF OF THEM IN A MASS DELUSION OR WILLFUL

  • DELUSION.

  • >> WELL, BUT THAT'S-- >> YOU MEAN PEOPLE DIDN'T

  • BELIEVE THE INFORMATION.

  • >> THEY CHOSE NOT IGNORE-- AND THAT'S SO WORRYING THAT YOU HAVE

  • THESE PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE SYSTEMS.

  • YOU UNCOVER THE TRUTH, BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS IF THE COUNTRY

  • DOESN'T LISTEN?

  • >> BUT, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CASE BEING MADE NOW, THE

  • PRESIDENT'S FRAUDULENT CASE ABOUT THE ELECTION, ONE OF THE

  • WAYS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ARGUE TO SOMEBODY THAT IT IS TRULY

  • FRAUDULENT IS THAT THE COURTS HAVE THROWN IT OUT WITH SUCH

  • PREJUDICE.

  • NOW, THAT MAY NOT CONVINCE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, AND ONE OF

  • THE DANGERS OF REPUBLICAN LEADERS JUST ALLOWING THE

  • PRESIDENT TO LIE ABOUT THE ELECTION AND SEEMINGLY TO

  • SUPPORT HIM IS THAT IT ALLOWS THAT IDEA TO SINK IN.

  • BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO REJECT THAT IDEA FROM PEOPLE WHO

  • BELIEVE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TRUE, YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE OF

  • THE COURTS AND THE JUDGES, SOME OF WHOM WERE APPOINTED BY

  • PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHO SAY NOT ONLY IS THERE NO CASE HERE, BUT

  • YOU SHOULDN'T BE ASKING TO DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO DO AT ALL,

  • EVEN BASED ON THE-- EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ALSO ASKING TO DO IT

  • BASED ON INCREDIBLY FLIMSY EVIDENCE.

  • AND THAT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO ARGUE THIS IS BEYOND THE

  • BOUND, AT LEAST YOU NOW HAVE A NUMBER OF JUDGES WHO HAVE

  • ASSERTED THAT, AND THEY'RE NOT JUST-- THESE AREN'T POLITICAL

  • PUNDITS SAYING THIS.

  • THESE ARE ACTUAL JUDGES, WHICH SEEMS TO MAKE A STRONGER CASE,

  • THOUGH I RECOGNIZE LOTS OF PEOPLE WON'T BELIEVE THAT CASE.

  • >> Stephen: WE JUST HAVE TO GET 74 MILLION PEOPLE TO LISTEN

  • TO THE "SLATE POLITICAL GABFEST" EVERY WEEK, AND THE COUNTRY

  • WOULD BE FINE.

  • WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

  • BUT WHEN WE COME BACK, I WILL ASK THE HOSTES YES THEY THINK

  • THE G.O.P. IS GOING ALONG WITH THE PRESIDENT'S CLAIMS OF

  • ELECTION FRAUD.

  • STICK AROUND.

  • ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HELLO, LADIES AND

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"Slate Political Gabfest" Hosts: People Are Being Offered Pardons Who Don't Want Pardons

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