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  • ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY.

  • WE'RE BACK WITH THE HOSTS OF "SLATE POLITICAL GABFEST," JOHN

  • DICKERSON, EMILY BAZELON, AND DAVID PLOTZ.

  • I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON PART OF YOUR POINT THERE, JOHN, AND THIS

  • IS FOR EVERYBODY AND SORT OF BASED UPON WHAT JAMAL BUOY SAID

  • IN LAST WEEK'S GABFEST-- WE MISS YOU DAVID.

  • IT WAS WHY ARE THE REPUBLICANS STICKING BY THIS GUY?

  • BECAUSE DONT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING UP-- YOUR TOM COTTONS,

  • YOUR TED CRUZS, YOUR NIKI HALEYS-- DON'T THEY REALLY WANT

  • HIM OFF THE SCENE, BECAUSE IF THE NEXT PRIMARY, THE NEXT 2024

  • PRIMARY IS ABOUT WHO CAN BE MOST LIKE DONALD TRUMP, THEN DONALD

  • TRUMP WILL WIN THAT AND STAYING CLOSE TO HIM IS MERELY GOING TO

  • GIVE HIM MORE POWER?

  • WHY WON'T THEY GIVE HIM THE DOOR?

  • >> I MEAN, I WONDER IF THEY WILL AND WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE

  • YET.

  • LIKE, THEY HAVE A COLLECTIVE ACTION PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY'RE

  • ALL CANDIDATES ALSO COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER.

  • BUT ONCE TRUMP IS NOT PRESIDENT AND DOESN'T HAVE QUITE THE SAME

  • MICROPHONE AND PERHAPS HOLD ON HIS SPACE, ISN'T IT MORE

  • POSSIBLE WE'LL SEE THOSE PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR HAVE A TOTAL

  • INCENTIVE TO REACH THE VOTERS ON THEIR OWN, START TO MOVE AWAY

  • FROM HIM?

  • I DON'T KNOW, JOHN, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

  • >> WELL, ANYONE IN HIS PARTY OR OUTSIDE OF HIS PARTY WHO THINKS

  • THEY CAN CONTROL OR DEFINE WHAT DONALD TRUMP DOES HAS BEEN

  • DELIVERED DEFEAT AFTER DEFEAT.

  • SO I THINK ANY STRATEGY THEY MAY HAVE FOR TRYING TO MOVE HIM

  • ASIDE I THINK IS GOING TO LOSE.

  • WHAT INTERESTS ME IS WHETHER HE RUNS OR NOT OR TRIES TO PLAY

  • KING MAKER IS WHETHER HE HAS CHANGED THE MARKET FOR

  • COMPETITION AMONG THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESIDENT.

  • HAS HE CHANGED THE WAY TO APPEAL TO THE BASE OF THE REPUBLICAN

  • PARTY?

  • AND HAS HE CHANGED THE EXPECTATION OF THAT BASE IN

  • TERMS OF WHAT HE WANTS, WHAT CANDIDATES NEED TO TALK ABOUT TO

  • EVEN GET A HEARING?

  • SO, CLEARLY, DONALD TRUMP OPENED THE OVERTON WINDOW ABOUT WHAT

  • WAS POSSIBLE IN POLITICS AND WHAT TO SAY.

  • THE QUESTION IS WHETHER HE TURNED INTO A TICKET WINDOW.

  • DOES ANYBODY WANTING FAVOR IN THE FUTURE FROM REPUBLICANS HAVE

  • TO BEHAVE LIKE HIM, HAVE TO BELIEVE IN THE CONSPIRACIES THAT

  • HE PROMOTES, HAS TO BASICALLY SUPPORT HIS SET OF IDEAS JUST TO

  • GET A HEARING IN REPUBLICAN POLITICS?

  • AND THAT'S A WAY IN WHICH THE QUESTION IS, THAT'S A WAY IN

  • WHICH HE CAN HAVE A LONG-STANDING INFLUENCE ON THE

  • PARTY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HIS PARTICULAR FORTUNES ARE.

  • >> I WORRY IN THAT VEIN THAT NONE OF THE OTHERS-- WELL, I

  • DON'T WORRY.

  • NO ONE ELSE HAS THE CHARISMA THAT TRUMP HAS.

  • TRUMP HAS A CERTAIN CHAOTIC EVIL CHARISMA THAT NONE OF THE OTHER

  • FOLKS HAVE.

  • THE ONLY PERSON I SEE COMING UP IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS

  • TUCKER CARLSON, I COULD SEE CHANNELING THIS.

  • BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT TO HAVE THOSE SAME

  • IDEAS AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES IS ALSO GOING TO REQUIRE A KIND

  • OF...

  • WICKED CHARISMA.

  • >> Stephen: BEFORE WE GO, TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

  • ONE IS WILL YOU MAKE A GUESS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

  • DOES DONALD TRUMP OUT OF POWER LOSE HIS BASE?

  • BECAUSE MY THEORY IS STRONGMAN IS STRONGMAN UNTIL STRONGMAN

  • EVER WEAK.

  • AND THEN STRONGMAN NEVER STRONG.

  • THAT THERE IS A NATURE TO SOMEONE WHO IS AUTOCRATIC

  • CURIOUS, AND A BASE THAT FOLLOWS THAT FIGURE THAT HE MUSTN'T EVER

  • LOSE.

  • AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE SAYS, HE'S LOST, AND HE WILL BE OUT OF

  • POWER IN ABOUT 35 DAYS.

  • >> BUT, STEPHEN, DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS LAST MONTH HAS

  • BEEN, WHICH IS AN EFFORT TO BASICALLY REDEFINE LOSS AND THAT

  • BASED ON POLL, THERE ARE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE

  • AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE PARTY AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN

  • THE MEDIA WHO ARE SUPPORTING THAT IDEA.

  • SO THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, HE JUST REDEFINES IT.

  • SO IN ORDER, STRONGMAN DIDN'T LOSE.

  • >> Stephen: I LIKE YOU.

  • I DON'T LIKE YOUR ANSWER.

  • >> IS IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT OR BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE

  • IT?

  • >> Stephen: I JUST DON'T WANT TO THINK IT.

  • I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT IN MY BEAUTIFUL MIND.

  • BEFORE YOU GUYS GO, AGAIN, CONSIDERATIONS ON 15 YEARS.

  • WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKES THE SHOW WORK?

  • BECAUSE IT IS-- IT IS, TO ME, THE BEST PODCAST OUT THERE.

  • >> I-- I'LL TAKE A QUICK STAB.

  • I THINK IT'S THAT WE LOVE AND TRUST EACH OTHER AND WE BEGAN AS

  • FRIENDS AND WE HAVE BECOME GREATER FRIENDS.

  • AND IT'S THIS-- I THINK IN A LOT OF PLACES IN MEDIA, THERE'S A

  • SENSE IF YOU SAY SOMETHING WRONG, YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR

  • HEAD TAKEN OFF.

  • AND I THINK EACH OF US HAS SAID INCREDIBLY STUPID THINGS OVER

  • THE YEARS.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) AND WE'VE BEEN HELD TO ACCOUNT

  • BY EACH OTHER, BUT ALWAYS IN THE MOST LOVING WAY.

  • IT FEELS LIKE A FAMILY WHERE YOU HAVE THESE TWO WISE PARENTS IN

  • JOHN AND EMILY, AND I'M SORT OF LIKE THE UNCLE WHO TRADES

  • BITCOIN ON THE SIDE.

  • BUT IT'S ALL ONE FAMILY.

  • >> YEAH, BUT IT'S-- WE'RE NICER TO EACH OTHER THAN PEOPLE ARE--

  • OR AT LEAST-- AT LEAST I AM TO MY FAMILY.

  • SO IT'S LUKE A FAMILY WITH, LIKE, THE VENEER OF CIVILITY.

  • >> Stephen: THAT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T RECORD YOUR FAMILY DINNERS

  • LIKE YOU DO THE "GABFEST" EVER WEEK.

  • >> EXACTLY.

  • >> WE ALL LIVE IN THESE TWO WORDS.

  • THERE ARE OUR OTHER JOBS-- WE ALL HAVE OTHER JOBS.

  • I'M ON, I THINK, MY FOURTH JOB SINCE WE STARTED 15 YEARS AGO.

  • YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO WORLDS, I'M INCREDIBLY

  • LUCKY THAT MY CBS WORK AND THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH AND THE

  • RELATIONSHIPS I HAVE THERE, AND I THINK I AM-- I RECOGNIZE THAT

  • LUCKINESS AND I AM BETTER AT DOING THAT PART OF MY LIFE

  • BECAUSE OF MY RELATIONSHIP WITH EMILY AND DAVID WHO HAVE MADE ME

  • A BETTER PERSON AND A BETTER JOURNALIST.

  • AND I LOVE THE WAY IN WHICH WE INTERACT, BUT I ALSO LOVE THE

  • WAY IN WHICH THEY'VE MADE ME, YOU KNOW, BETTER IN MY OTHER

  • LIFE AT CBS, TOO.

  • >> Stephen: WELL, THANK YOU FOR AN AMAZING 15 YEARS OF YOUR

  • PODCAST.

  • AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ANOTHER 15 MORE.

  • THE 15th ANNIVERSARY EPISODE OF THE "SLATE POLITICAL GABFEST"

  • AIRS LIVE TOMORROW.

  • EMILY BAZELON, JOHN DICKERSON, AND DAVID PLOTZ, EVERYBODY!

  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH A PERFORMANCE BY

  • GRETA VAN FLEET.

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