AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDIES AT VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY, MINISTER

AND BEST SELLING AUTHOR, HIS NEW BOOK LONG TIME COMING RECKONING

WITH RACE IN AMERICA IS OUT RIGHT NOW, PLEASE WELCOME THE

EVER INSPIRING DR. MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, THERE HE IS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE, MICHAEL.

SO HAPPY TO SEE YOU AS WE ALWAYS ARE.

NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR BRILLIANT BOOK, LONG TIME

COMING.

IT IS AN INCREDIBLY PROGOWNED-- PROFOUND READ.

THE BOOK IS LAID OUT IN A WAY THAT EACH CHAPTER IS A LETTER

TOW VICTIMS OF POLICE BRUTALITY, BREONNA TAYLOR, ERIC GARNER,

WHAT WAS IT THAT MADE YOU APPROACH THE BOOK IN THIS WAY?

WELL, YOU KNOWK I DIDN'T WANT TO WRITE ABOUT THEM AND FURTHER

EXPLOIT THEM FOR BOOK SALES OR TO OBJECTIFY THEM.

I WANTED TO WRITE TOO THEM.

I WANTED TO COMEUM WITH THEM, UP KNOW WHEN YOU GO TO THE GRAVE

SITE OF A YOUNG ONE AND WANT TO MEDITATE ABOUT YOUR FEATURES

THINK ABOUT THE WORLD, I WANTED TO POSSESS THE CASE OF THEIR

DEATH TO THEM AND IN TALKING TO THEM TO REMIND US AS CITIZENS

THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE, AS MARTYRS FOR A

CAUSE THAT THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE.

USUALLY WE THINK OF MARTYRS WHO DLIN RATELY POINT DELT IN

DIFFERENCE TO HIGHER PRINCIPLES TO SERVE A GREATER END BUT THESE

PEOPLE WERE LIVING THEIR LIVES AND YET THEY WERE DRAFTED INTO

THE WAR OF RACIAL RECKONING, AN BECAUSE OF THEIR DEATHS WE HAVE

BEEN MADE BETTER SO I WANTED TO HONOR THEM AS WRITING TO THEM,

AS RECENTLY ARRIVED IMMIGRANTS FOR THE MOST PART, IN THAT THEY

DO ACKNOWLEDGMENT FOR THEIR EXTRAORDINARY SACRIFICE WHILE

THEY PROVIDED GUIDANCE AND INSPIRATION FOR THOSE LEFT

BEHIND.

>> THE FIRST TIME YOU WERE ON THE SHOW, IT WAS THE MONDAY

AFTER THE VIDEO OF GEORGE EMPLOYED'S MURDER HAD BEEN

SHARED.

AND OF COURSE AT THAT POINT AND THE SUBSEQUENT WEEKS AFTER,

EVERYONE IS AWARE.

WE'RE FILLED WITH BLACK LIVES MATTER.

HOW DOES THAT PETROLEUM KEEP GOING AND THAT PETROLEUM KEEPS

PUSHING FORWARD AND NOT JUST BECOMES SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED

OVER THERE YOU KNOW?

HOW DO WE GET TO DO THAT.

>> YOU ARE A MARRIED MAN, YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS.

WHEN YOU FIRST MEET IT IS FIREWORKS, IT IS NIGHTLY PASSION

AND SO WHY DO PEOPLE SOME OF THEM FOR THE FIRST TIME SOMEONE

YOU LOVE WHAT IS THE PLAQUE KRNTION THE BLACK STRUGGLE, THE

BLACK RESISTANCE, BLACK LIVES MATTER.

BUT THEN IT BEGAN TO SORT OF MOVE OUT AND YOU GET TO THE YOU

THINK SUSPECTING PART, WHERE DO YOU PUT THE TOOTHBRUSH AND HOW

YOU LIFT THE TOILET SEAT AND THE EVERY DAY MANTIES ARE FOCUSED

NOW, NOW WE ARE IN THAT PHASE OF THIS TIP WHERE WHITE BLOWERS AND

SISTERS AND BLACK BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND OTHERS HAVE TO

NECIALT TO UNFIX IT EVERY DAY, NOT JUST BLACK LIVES MATTER

FEATURES.

NOT JUST SOCIAL MEDIA POSTINGS BUT HOW DO YOU INTEGRATE IT TOO

INTO THE FABRIC OF YOUR EF REEF DAY EXIST ANSWERS, WHAT DO YOU

DO AT WORK, AT HOME, HUGH DO YOU TALK TO YOUR PARENTS, YOUR

GRANDPARENTSK HOW DO YOU SPEEM TO YOUR PEERS, HOW DO YOU TALK

ABOUT KORPTD AMERICA INTEGRATING THESE IDEALS OF MOVING

POWERFULLY, HOW DO YOU GO TO SCHOOL AND TALK ABOUT THESE

IDEAS IN THE CLASSROOM AND CHALLENGE PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF

THEIR FACIAL SHELLS TO CONFRONT ISSUES THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY

BEEN NEGOTIATED?

SO AT THIS MOMENT, IT SEEMS IT IS IN A DOWN SWING BUT THERE SAY

CONSTANT RHYTHM IN A PENDULUM SWINGING BACK AND FORTH AND

RIGHT NOW IT IS FORMED BACK AWAY FROM A CONSCIENCE RECOGNITION OF

THESE PROBLEMS BUT IT LIVES US FACED TO BE INTENTIONAL TO

FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO AND SUBMIT OURSELVES AGAIN TO THE HEART AND

DIFFICULT BUT YET REWARDING WORK 6 MOVING FORWARD IN OUR NATION.

>> THERE IS ONE POINT IN THE BOOK WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT THE

PERILS OF CANCEL CULTURE WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY INTERESTING

SUBJECT TO WRITE ABOUT, THAT REQUIRES NUANCE,SOMETHING WHICH

SEEMS TO BE EVAPORATING BEFORE OUR EYES.

AND THE NOTION OF DISCUSSION WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE MAJORITY

OF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO BE GOOD HUMAN BEINGSK TRYING TO LEARN

FROM PAST MISTAKES, WHAT IS YOUR TAKE AND WHY DO YOU THINK IT WAS

IMPORTANT TO RISE TO THAT.

>> WHEN WE LOOK-- DPSH IF IS CONCERNED BH THAT JORT, TWO

THINGS.

GENDER AND SEXUALITY AND RACE.

THESE ARE THE UNSOLVING KIN UNDRUMS THAT CONTINUE LYULLY

SAILS TO, I REQUEST UNDERSTAND DISPORTS CAMP WAS ALL THEM.

FUB LICK FOR EM CAMP WAS ALL THEM PU THREATS' GO ON THE

INTERNET AND RESOLVE IT.

WE CAN GET IMMEDIATE JUSTICE, WE DON'T LIKE HARVEY WEINSTEIN ORR

KELLY, WE GET TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE

TIME TO GO TO COURT OR CAPACITY TO DO SO TO HOLD THEM

ACCOUNTABLE.

FOR THE MOST PART CANCEL CULTURE SAY LATERAL MOVE.

WE ARE BEATING UP ON EACH OTHER.

WE ARE MAD AT SOMEBODY MAKING A MISTAKE.

SRK MAKING A MISTAKE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

A FAUX PAS, AND THEN WE HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND WE ADVICE

RATE THEM.

WE VAP RATE THEM.

WE DISAPPEAR THEM.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS RIGHT.

ALL OF US ARE HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE TENDING TO MAKE MISTAKE.

ALLS OF US ARE FOES TO BE VULNERABLE.

I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GIJ THAPS YES WE MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE,

WE MUST PAY THE PRICE FOR OUR SINS BUT WE MUST BE HELD UP AND

STOOD UP, FORGIVEN, MOVED FORWARD, HAVE REDEMPTION AND

RESTORATION SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE JUTION TIS WHERE WE PUNISH

SOMEBODY BUT WE HAVE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE WHERE WE INTEGRATE THEM

BACK INTO THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY AND ALLOW THEM TO MOVE

FORWARD.

I THINK CANCEL CULTURE IS A MIRAGE IT IS DESTRUCTIVE AND I

ARGUE IN MY BOOK IT IS WHITE SUPREMACY BY OTHER MEANS BECAUSE

WHITE SUPREMACY WANTS TO DESTROY AND ERADICATE AND BLACK PEOPLE

CAN ILL AFFORD-- AFFORD TO EMBRACE AN IDEA ABOUT THAT.

>> I FEEL LIKE IS IT THE SORT OF CANCEL CULTURE ALL THOSE THINGS,

I FEEL LIKE ANY CONVERSATION I HAVE WITH ANY FRIEND, ANY PERSON

I SEE IS FEELS THE SAME AS YOU DO AND FEELS THE SAME AS I DO.

BUT IF YOU HAVE A SOURCE OF MEASURED CENTRIST OUTLOOKS ON

THOSE THINGS T IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO SHARE THAT BECAUSE

WE LOVE NOW IN A WORLD OF EXPERIENCE.

AND ALL EXTREMISM IS BAD.

ALL EXTREMISM IS BAD SO HOW DO YOU EVEN BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT

FORGIVENESS WHEN EVEN BROACHING THE SUBJECT MAY LEAD TO YOUR OWN

CANCELATION.

>> THAT SAN EXCELLENT POINT.

AND THAT IS WHY I FIND IT SO DESTRUCTIVE AND SO DIE LOLL KAL,

THE VERY MOTION THAT WE CAN TRUMP TOGETHER, ARGUE, DISAGREE,

DEBATE AND DIE LOCK AND ULTIMATELY TRUMP'S LAWS CAN

AGREE TO DISAGREE OR ONE OF US IS CON-- CONVERTED TO THE

OTHER'S POSITION.

AT THE IND OF THE DAY IF WAS HONESTLY, WE MAKE A STATEMENT

AND WE MAKE A FAN AND WE DO IT IN FULL INTEGRITY, THEN WE

SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED AND ACKNOWLEDGED.

THE ATTEMPT TO MOVE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING OR TO SHOW

DESTABILIZE THEIR POSITION IN LIFE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A RUNOFF

AGAINST A DEFENDANT, OUR NOTIONS OF WHAT IS PROPER AND

APPROPRIATE.

>> THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WANT ANBODY TO SAY SOMETHING IN

REGARD TO RACE OR CLASS OR GENDER OR SEXUALITY AND TO

ASSAULT PEOPLE BUT IT DOES MEAN IF WE ARE TRYING TO DOT RIGHT

THING AND MAKE A MISTAKE ALONG THE WAY OR JUST AGREE AND WE ARE

NOT READ OUT OF THE RACE, READ OUT OF COMEUM SOCIETY BECAUSE WE

NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE O FENNED AN EYE DEL OR A NORM THAT

NO LONGER WORKS FOR SOME PEOPLE.

SO I THINK THAT SHALL DID IT NEEDS TO BE CANCELLED ITSELF.

IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE CANCELLED ALONG WITH CERTAIN

SUBSCRIPTION TO MAGAZINES OR CREDIT CARDS IT IS CANCEL

CULTURE ITSELF.

>> James: IT IS WONDERFUL EVERY TIME YOU ARE ON THE SHOW.

I TA TALK TO YOU TO FRIDAY NIGHT AND WOULD ALWAYS FIND IT

INSPIRING.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

LONG TIME COMING IS VAIBLG EVERYWHERE RIGHT NOW, WE'LL BE

RIGHT BACK