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MY NEXT GUEST SAY PROFESSOR OF
AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDIES AT VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY, MINISTER
AND BEST SELLING AUTHOR, HIS NEW BOOK LONG TIME COMING RECKONING
WITH RACE IN AMERICA IS OUT RIGHT NOW, PLEASE WELCOME THE
EVER INSPIRING DR. MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, THERE HE IS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE, MICHAEL.
SO HAPPY TO SEE YOU AS WE ALWAYS ARE.
NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR BRILLIANT BOOK, LONG TIME
COMING.
IT IS AN INCREDIBLY PROGOWNED-- PROFOUND READ.
THE BOOK IS LAID OUT IN A WAY THAT EACH CHAPTER IS A LETTER
TOW VICTIMS OF POLICE BRUTALITY, BREONNA TAYLOR, ERIC GARNER,
WHAT WAS IT THAT MADE YOU APPROACH THE BOOK IN THIS WAY?
WELL, YOU KNOWK I DIDN'T WANT TO WRITE ABOUT THEM AND FURTHER
EXPLOIT THEM FOR BOOK SALES OR TO OBJECTIFY THEM.
I WANTED TO WRITE TOO THEM.
I WANTED TO COMEUM WITH THEM, UP KNOW WHEN YOU GO TO THE GRAVE
SITE OF A YOUNG ONE AND WANT TO MEDITATE ABOUT YOUR FEATURES
THINK ABOUT THE WORLD, I WANTED TO POSSESS THE CASE OF THEIR
DEATH TO THEM AND IN TALKING TO THEM TO REMIND US AS CITIZENS
THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE, AS MARTYRS FOR A
CAUSE THAT THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE.
USUALLY WE THINK OF MARTYRS WHO DLIN RATELY POINT DELT IN
DIFFERENCE TO HIGHER PRINCIPLES TO SERVE A GREATER END BUT THESE
PEOPLE WERE LIVING THEIR LIVES AND YET THEY WERE DRAFTED INTO
THE WAR OF RACIAL RECKONING, AN BECAUSE OF THEIR DEATHS WE HAVE
BEEN MADE BETTER SO I WANTED TO HONOR THEM AS WRITING TO THEM,
AS RECENTLY ARRIVED IMMIGRANTS FOR THE MOST PART, IN THAT THEY
DO ACKNOWLEDGMENT FOR THEIR EXTRAORDINARY SACRIFICE WHILE
THEY PROVIDED GUIDANCE AND INSPIRATION FOR THOSE LEFT
BEHIND.
>> THE FIRST TIME YOU WERE ON THE SHOW, IT WAS THE MONDAY
AFTER THE VIDEO OF GEORGE EMPLOYED'S MURDER HAD BEEN
SHARED.
AND OF COURSE AT THAT POINT AND THE SUBSEQUENT WEEKS AFTER,
EVERYONE IS AWARE.
WE'RE FILLED WITH BLACK LIVES MATTER.
HOW DOES THAT PETROLEUM KEEP GOING AND THAT PETROLEUM KEEPS
PUSHING FORWARD AND NOT JUST BECOMES SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED
OVER THERE YOU KNOW?
HOW DO WE GET TO DO THAT.
>> YOU ARE A MARRIED MAN, YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS.
WHEN YOU FIRST MEET IT IS FIREWORKS, IT IS NIGHTLY PASSION
AND SO WHY DO PEOPLE SOME OF THEM FOR THE FIRST TIME SOMEONE
YOU LOVE WHAT IS THE PLAQUE KRNTION THE BLACK STRUGGLE, THE
BLACK RESISTANCE, BLACK LIVES MATTER.
BUT THEN IT BEGAN TO SORT OF MOVE OUT AND YOU GET TO THE YOU
THINK SUSPECTING PART, WHERE DO YOU PUT THE TOOTHBRUSH AND HOW
YOU LIFT THE TOILET SEAT AND THE EVERY DAY MANTIES ARE FOCUSED
NOW, NOW WE ARE IN THAT PHASE OF THIS TIP WHERE WHITE BLOWERS AND
SISTERS AND BLACK BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND OTHERS HAVE TO
NECIALT TO UNFIX IT EVERY DAY, NOT JUST BLACK LIVES MATTER
FEATURES.
NOT JUST SOCIAL MEDIA POSTINGS BUT HOW DO YOU INTEGRATE IT TOO
INTO THE FABRIC OF YOUR EF REEF DAY EXIST ANSWERS, WHAT DO YOU
DO AT WORK, AT HOME, HUGH DO YOU TALK TO YOUR PARENTS, YOUR
GRANDPARENTSK HOW DO YOU SPEEM TO YOUR PEERS, HOW DO YOU TALK
ABOUT KORPTD AMERICA INTEGRATING THESE IDEALS OF MOVING
POWERFULLY, HOW DO YOU GO TO SCHOOL AND TALK ABOUT THESE
IDEAS IN THE CLASSROOM AND CHALLENGE PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF
THEIR FACIAL SHELLS TO CONFRONT ISSUES THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY
BEEN NEGOTIATED?
SO AT THIS MOMENT, IT SEEMS IT IS IN A DOWN SWING BUT THERE SAY
CONSTANT RHYTHM IN A PENDULUM SWINGING BACK AND FORTH AND
RIGHT NOW IT IS FORMED BACK AWAY FROM A CONSCIENCE RECOGNITION OF
THESE PROBLEMS BUT IT LIVES US FACED TO BE INTENTIONAL TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO AND SUBMIT OURSELVES AGAIN TO THE HEART AND
DIFFICULT BUT YET REWARDING WORK 6 MOVING FORWARD IN OUR NATION.
>> THERE IS ONE POINT IN THE BOOK WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT THE
PERILS OF CANCEL CULTURE WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY INTERESTING
SUBJECT TO WRITE ABOUT, THAT REQUIRES NUANCE,SOMETHING WHICH
SEEMS TO BE EVAPORATING BEFORE OUR EYES.
AND THE NOTION OF DISCUSSION WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE MAJORITY
OF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO BE GOOD HUMAN BEINGSK TRYING TO LEARN
FROM PAST MISTAKES, WHAT IS YOUR TAKE AND WHY DO YOU THINK IT WAS
IMPORTANT TO RISE TO THAT.
>> WHEN WE LOOK-- DPSH IF IS CONCERNED BH THAT JORT, TWO
THINGS.
GENDER AND SEXUALITY AND RACE.
THESE ARE THE UNSOLVING KIN UNDRUMS THAT CONTINUE LYULLY
SAILS TO, I REQUEST UNDERSTAND DISPORTS CAMP WAS ALL THEM.
FUB LICK FOR EM CAMP WAS ALL THEM PU THREATS' GO ON THE
INTERNET AND RESOLVE IT.
WE CAN GET IMMEDIATE JUSTICE, WE DON'T LIKE HARVEY WEINSTEIN ORR
KELLY, WE GET TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE
TIME TO GO TO COURT OR CAPACITY TO DO SO TO HOLD THEM
ACCOUNTABLE.
FOR THE MOST PART CANCEL CULTURE SAY LATERAL MOVE.
WE ARE BEATING UP ON EACH OTHER.
WE ARE MAD AT SOMEBODY MAKING A MISTAKE.
SRK MAKING A MISTAKE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
A FAUX PAS, AND THEN WE HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND WE ADVICE
RATE THEM.
WE VAP RATE THEM.
WE DISAPPEAR THEM.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS RIGHT.
ALL OF US ARE HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE TENDING TO MAKE MISTAKE.
ALLS OF US ARE FOES TO BE VULNERABLE.
I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GIJ THAPS YES WE MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE,
WE MUST PAY THE PRICE FOR OUR SINS BUT WE MUST BE HELD UP AND
STOOD UP, FORGIVEN, MOVED FORWARD, HAVE REDEMPTION AND
RESTORATION SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE JUTION TIS WHERE WE PUNISH
SOMEBODY BUT WE HAVE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE WHERE WE INTEGRATE THEM
BACK INTO THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY AND ALLOW THEM TO MOVE
FORWARD.
I THINK CANCEL CULTURE IS A MIRAGE IT IS DESTRUCTIVE AND I
ARGUE IN MY BOOK IT IS WHITE SUPREMACY BY OTHER MEANS BECAUSE
WHITE SUPREMACY WANTS TO DESTROY AND ERADICATE AND BLACK PEOPLE
CAN ILL AFFORD-- AFFORD TO EMBRACE AN IDEA ABOUT THAT.
>> I FEEL LIKE IS IT THE SORT OF CANCEL CULTURE ALL THOSE THINGS,
I FEEL LIKE ANY CONVERSATION I HAVE WITH ANY FRIEND, ANY PERSON
I SEE IS FEELS THE SAME AS YOU DO AND FEELS THE SAME AS I DO.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A SOURCE OF MEASURED CENTRIST OUTLOOKS ON
THOSE THINGS T IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO SHARE THAT BECAUSE
WE LOVE NOW IN A WORLD OF EXPERIENCE.
AND ALL EXTREMISM IS BAD.
ALL EXTREMISM IS BAD SO HOW DO YOU EVEN BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT
FORGIVENESS WHEN EVEN BROACHING THE SUBJECT MAY LEAD TO YOUR OWN
CANCELATION.
>> THAT SAN EXCELLENT POINT.
AND THAT IS WHY I FIND IT SO DESTRUCTIVE AND SO DIE LOLL KAL,
THE VERY MOTION THAT WE CAN TRUMP TOGETHER, ARGUE, DISAGREE,
DEBATE AND DIE LOCK AND ULTIMATELY TRUMP'S LAWS CAN
AGREE TO DISAGREE OR ONE OF US IS CON-- CONVERTED TO THE
OTHER'S POSITION.
AT THE IND OF THE DAY IF WAS HONESTLY, WE MAKE A STATEMENT
AND WE MAKE A FAN AND WE DO IT IN FULL INTEGRITY, THEN WE
SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED AND ACKNOWLEDGED.
THE ATTEMPT TO MOVE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING OR TO SHOW
DESTABILIZE THEIR POSITION IN LIFE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A RUNOFF
AGAINST A DEFENDANT, OUR NOTIONS OF WHAT IS PROPER AND
APPROPRIATE.
>> THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WANT ANBODY TO SAY SOMETHING IN
REGARD TO RACE OR CLASS OR GENDER OR SEXUALITY AND TO
ASSAULT PEOPLE BUT IT DOES MEAN IF WE ARE TRYING TO DOT RIGHT
THING AND MAKE A MISTAKE ALONG THE WAY OR JUST AGREE AND WE ARE
NOT READ OUT OF THE RACE, READ OUT OF COMEUM SOCIETY BECAUSE WE
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE O FENNED AN EYE DEL OR A NORM THAT
NO LONGER WORKS FOR SOME PEOPLE.
SO I THINK THAT SHALL DID IT NEEDS TO BE CANCELLED ITSELF.
IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE CANCELLED ALONG WITH CERTAIN
SUBSCRIPTION TO MAGAZINES OR CREDIT CARDS IT IS CANCEL
CULTURE ITSELF.
>> James: IT IS WONDERFUL EVERY TIME YOU ARE ON THE SHOW.
I TA TALK TO YOU TO FRIDAY NIGHT AND WOULD ALWAYS FIND IT
INSPIRING.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
LONG TIME COMING IS VAIBLG EVERYWHERE RIGHT NOW, WE'LL BE
RIGHT BACK