>> Stephen: HEY, WELCOME BACK, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY FIRST

GUEST TONIGHT IS THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE CYBER SECURITY

AND INFRASTRUCTURE SECURITY AGENCY AND THE LATEST PERSON TO

BE FIRED BY THE PRESIDENT VIA TWEET.

PLEASE WELCOME, CHRISTOPHER KREBS.

MR. KREBS, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> HEY, THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON.

>> Stephen: NOW, FORMER DIRECTOR OF -- I THINK THAT IS

THE ACRONYM HOW IT IS PRONOUNCED.

>> MOST PEOPLE KNOW YOU AS THE GUY THAT IS FIRED FOR SAYING

THIS ELECTION WAS QUOTE THE MOST SECURE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

WHAT LEADS YOU TO SAY IT IS THE MOST SECURE IN AMERICAN HISTORY?

HOW DO YOU KNOW?

>> WELL, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TO SECURE THIS ELECTION FOR FOUR

YEARS.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH ALL 50 STATES, THOUSANDS OF

JURISDICTIONS WORKING WITH THE ENTIRETY OF THE INTELLIGENCE

COMMUNITY, THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, WE WORKED TO IMPROVE

AND SECURE THE SYSTEM AND WE JUST HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE

BASED ON THAT WORK, BASED ON THE RELATIONSHIPS AND BASED ON

HONESTLY THE THREATS THAT WE SAW EMERGE AND ABLE TO KNOCKDOWN,

THERE WAS NO FOREIGN INTERFERENCE WITH THIS ELECTION.

>> Stephen: BUT THERE WERE, WE SAW THREATS EMERGE AND KNOCK

THEM DOWN, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE THREATS WERE YOU KNOCKED

DOWN?

>> YES.

SO ABOUT, I THINK AROUND OCTOBER 22ND OR SO THE IRANIANS

ACTUALLY SENT SOME E-MAILS AROUND, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT

WERE PURPORTEDLY FROM THE PROUD BOYS.

>> Stephen: OH, RIGHT.

>> INTIMIDATING VOTERS AND WE SAW THAT.

WE WERE ABLE TO CONCLUSIVELY PROVE IT WAS NOT IRANIANS AND

GOT INFORMATION OUT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND ABOUT 27

HOURS FROM THE FIRST DETECTION OF THOSE E-MAILS TO THE ACTUAL

PRESS CONFERENCE AND I THINK THAT WAS JUST A REAL HISTORIC

RAPID DEBUNKING OF THREATS TO OUR ELECTIONS.

>> Stephen: YOU TOOK AN OATH TO PROTECT AGAINST FOREIGN AND

DOMESTIC THREATS.

WE EXPECTED THE FOREIGN THREATS.

DID YOU EXPECT THESE DOMESTIC THREATS TO OUR FAITH IN THE

INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTION?

BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS BEEN GIVING THE PRESIDENT A LOT OF ROPE,

GIVE HIM TIME, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HE HAS EVER LOST W HAVE TO

HANDLE HIM WITH KIDS GLOVES BUT HE IS JUST GETTING WORSE.

>> SO EVERYONE THAT ENTERS FEDERAL SERVICE PLEDGES AN OATH

TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION FROM THREATS FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC AND

SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

WE WENT IN, WE PUT COUNTRY OVER PARTY, YEAH I AM A LIFELONG

REPUBLICAN, I AM NOT ASHAMED TO ADMIT IT BUT ULTIMATELY IT WAS

MORE IMPORTANT THAT THIS AMERICAN EXPERIMENT THAT TIMES

CAN SEEM SO FRAGILE, WE HAD TO PROTECT IT AND MOVE FORWARD AND

YEAH, THERE WAS DOMESTIC DISINFORMATION AND IT CONTINUES

TO THIS DAY THAT IS ACTIVELY UNDERMINING THE AMERICAN VOTER'S

CONFIDENCE IN THE PROCESS AND I THINK IT IS JUST -- IT HAS GOT

TO STOP.

IT HAS TO STOP.

>> Stephen: NOW, YOU ARE A HIGH TECH GUY, I SAW THE CYBER

IN THE TITLE THERE, BUT YOU LOVE PAPER BALLOTS.

WHY DO YOU LOVE PAPER BALLOTS SO MUCH?

CAN WE MAKE IT EVEN MORE PRIMITIVE?

SHOULD WE JUST GO WITH JELLYBEANS IN A CAN, WHAT ABOUT

YOUR STICK YOUR FINGER IN THE DYE THING PEOPLE DO SOMEWHERE IN

THE WORLD?

>> THAT IS I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE EXTREME, BUT LOOK THE

APPROACH HERE IS KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID, AND PART OF WHAT PAPER

GIVES YOU IS SOMETHING TANGIBLE THAT YOU CAN RUN BACK AND YOU

CAN CHECK.

YOU HAVE GOT BASICALLY YOU HAVE THE RECEIPTS AND YOU CAN GO BACK

AND CONFIRM THE OUTCOME, AND SO I THINK PROGRESS THAT ELECTION

OFFICIALS MADE OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS OF GETTING MORE PAPER

BASED, PAPER BASED SYSTEMS OUT THERE, WE HAVE GOT TO CONTINUE

AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL PAPER BASED AND POST ELECTION AUDITS

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING HAVE TO DO TO RESTORE

CONFIDENCE IN THE ELECTIONS.

>> Stephen: SO WITH SO MANY AMERICANS RIGHT NOW, AND WHO

KNOWS IT MIGHT BE A FLEETING LOSS OF CONFIDENCE, BUT WITH SO

MANY AMERICANS RIGHT NOW WITH A LOSS OF CONFIDENCE CAN IN OUR

ELECTIONS, WHAT DO YOU THINK CAN BE DONE TO RESTORE THAT?

>> THERE IS THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME MOST RIGHT NOW, IS

THESE NUMBERS YOU CITE, WE SEE IT ALL OVER THE PLACE IN

TRADITIONAL MEDIA AND SOCIAL MEDIA THERE ARE PEOPLE ACTIVELY

QUESTIONING WHETHER THEY SHOULD EVEN PARTICIPATE IN DEMOCRACY,

AND MY MENTION TO THEM IS YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE

CONFIDENCE IN YOUR ELECTION OFFICIALS THE FIRST THING WE

NEED TO DO IS CONTINUE INVESTING NO DEMOCRACY, I THINK CONGRESS

NEEDS TO FUND MORE GRANTS TO MODERNIZE SYSTEMS, THE SECOND IS

WE HAVE TO GET PAPER BALLOTS OUT THERE TO 100 PERCENT, WE ARE

PROBABLY AT ABOUT 90 PERCENT RIGHT NOW.

WE NEED 100 PERCENT PAPER BALLOTS AND MEANINGFUL POST

ELECTION AUDITS, AND THE THIRD THING IS, WE HAVE GOT TO GET

CIVIC EDUCATION BACK ON THE BOOKS IN K-12 AND PROBABLY WITH

ADULTS TOO SO WE HAVE GOT TO DO MORE TO EDUCATE ON HOW ELECTIONS

WORK AND THEY ARE NOT JUST EVERY FOUR YEARS.

>> Stephen: ON TUESDAY, GEORGIA ELECTION OFFICIAL DWAYNE

STERLING WARNED SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET KILLED DUE TO TRUMP

AND HIS FOLLOWERS RHETORIC.

TRUMP LAWYER YES NOVA, I THINK, EVEN MADE A THREAT ABOUT YOU,

YOU SHOULD BE DRAWN AND QUARTERED AND SHOT AT DAWN.

DO YOU HAVE A MESSAGE TO THE REPUBLICAN LEADERS WHO ARE

FANNING THESE FLAMES?

>> LOOK, WE SHOULD BE CELEBRATING ELECTION OFFICIALS

AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE, GETTING THEM INTO THEIR

JOBS, NOT FANNING THESE FLAMES AS YOU PUT IT, WHERE THEY ARE

THE -- THEY ARE GETTING TARGETED AND THEY ARE GETTING DEATH

THREATS.

THEY ARE THE HEROES OUT THERE.

WE NEED TO DO MORE TO SUPPORT THEM AND PROTECT THEM AND THE

REAL, YOU KNOW, THE LONGER TAIL ON THIS ISSUE IS THAT THESE

DEATH THREATS ARE GOING TO HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON ELECTION

OFFICIALS GOING FORWARD.

I MEAN, WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT TO BE AN ELECTION

OFFICIAL NEXT CYCLE IF THE ELECTION DOESN'T TURN OUT THE

WAY THAT SOME MINORITY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SEND DEATH THREATS

TO YOU.

THIS IS NOT HOW DEMOCRACY CAN WORK.

>> Stephen: LAST NIGHT, AND I KNOW WE HAVE TO GET GOING HERE

BUT I WANT, I SAW THE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH LAST NIGHT,

THE PRESIDENT WENT ON A 46 MINUTE RANT THAT HAS BEEN CALLED

BY SOME THE MOST DISHONEST SPEECH OF HIS ENTIRE PRESIDENCY.

I WOULD LIKE TO RUN SOME OF THE CLAIMS THAT HE SAID LAST NIGHT

AND HAVE YOU FACT CHECK THEM, IF YOU ACTUALLY KNOW THE FACTS OF

THESE.

THERE WERE GLIMPSE IN THE DOMNION VOTING SYSTEM THAT

CHANGED VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.

>> SO I THINK THAT IS THE ANSWER OF COUNTY MICHIGAN ISSUE AND

THAT WAS JUST TWO DATABASES THAT WEREN'T STINKING UP, SINKING IS

UP PROPERLY AND THEY FIXED IT AND NO ISSUES, THEY HAD PAPER

BALLOTS, BY THE WAY THAT THEY ALWAYS HAD --

>> Stephen: SO THAT'S A NO?

>> VOTES MADE ON A DOMINION VOTING SYSTEM ARE COUNTED IN

FOREIGN COUNTRIES.

>> OH THIS ONE AGAIN.

BALLOTS ALL OF THOSE ARE COUNTED IN THE UNITED STATES.

I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THIS ONE.

I JUST DON'T.

>> Stephen: IN PENNSYLVANIA, BALLOTS WERE TAKEN AND COUNTED

AT A TOP SECRET LOCATION AWAY FROM POLL WATCHERS.

>> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE TO BE FALSE, IN FACT I THINK THE

PRESIDENT TOLD THE LAWYERS THAT THERE WAS A NONZERO NUMBER OF

OBSERVERS IN THE ROOM.

>> Stephen: THE PRESIDENT SAID IN NEVADA YOU CAN SIGN YOUR NAME

IN SANTA CLAUS AND YOUR VOTE WOULD BE ACCEPTED.

>> THAT DEPENDS IS YOUR NAME SANTA CLAUS?

IF YOUR NAME IS SANTA CLAUS, THEN, YES.

>> Stephen: GOOD POINT.

>> THEY CHECK SIGNATURES.

>> Stephen: GOOD POINT IN ARIZONA MAIL-IN BALLOTS WERE

STOLEN FROM MAILBOXES AND HIDDEN UNDER A ROCK.

>> THAT ONE IS TRUE.

THERE WERE BALLOTS THAT HAS NOT BEEN CAST YET.

BUT IT IS BEING INVESTIGATED AND THOSE VOTERS THAT -- WHOSE

BALLOTS WERE STOLEN THEY WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO STILL

VOTE AFTERWARDS AND NOTIFIED.

>> Stephen: OKAY.

IN WISCONSIN, AT 3:42 A.M. ON ELECTION NIGHT THERE WAS A QUOTE

MASSIVE DUMP OF SUSPICIOUS VOTES FOR BIDEN.

HE HAD A CHART.

>> YEAH.

I AM UNCOMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT THIS, JUST THE MASSIVE DUMP

THING.

>> Stephen: OKAY.

>> BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS VOTES ARE SORTED SOMETIMES BEFORE THEY

WERE ENTERED INTO THE SYSTEM AND YOU MIGHT SEE STACKS OF BIDEN

STACKS OF TRUMP AND WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY SORTED AND THEY

ENTERED IT IN, BUT AGAIN PAPER BALLOTS, PAPER BALLOTS, THE ONES

AND ZEROS IN THESE MACHINES IS NOT THE IMPORTANT THING.

THE IT IS PAPER BALLOTS.

>> Stephen: RUDY GIULIANI PERSONALLY SAW DEAD PEOPLE

VOTING, HE WAS BITTEN BY ONE OF THEM, IT HAS BECOME A ZOMBIE

SITUATION AND THAT'S WHY HE IS SLOWLY MELTING BEFORE OUR EYES.

>> STEPHEN, I THINK WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT --