Jim Caldwell, his predecessor, Dan, 36 28.

3 winning seasons.

Two playoff appearances.

Matt Patricia, 13 and 29 10 playoff appearances.

What does the organization do next?

Now the organization has a lot of work to Dio.

That's an accurate statement right now, because in three years what was trending to becoming a consistent winner has been turned down.

What do they do next?

I'd say this is the the first on.

I think the next Riel move is making their decision on Matthew Stafford and Matthews, a friend of mine, And I don't say these words lightly.

I think it's time to move on from Matthew Stafford.

I think that's justifiable on both parties because the Lions are not just, Hey, let's hire a coach and see if we could fix this away.

Because Matthews going into, I believe, which is going to be is 13th season, maybe his 14th season.

It did not work in Detroit, and so they've got to make the decision to move on from Matthew Stafford, trade him and build for the future because it is now a rebuilt because everybody that's on that football team.

Player rise player wise is very much custom fit for what Matt Patricia wanted to dio.

So I think that's the next Riel decision that the lines organization needs to make.

The second thing is this.

Don't fall in love with Justice and ex Justin Exit is a nose guy.

I know everybody wants Shawn McVeigh.

He's a unicorn.

You better go find a leader, someone that has foresight, someone that understands that city, someone that understands the frustration of that city and someone that can organize in, galvanize and distribute, distribute responsibility and the head coaches gotta bring somebody that's got great X's and O's.

Offensively, we are in an era of football that you need to be outstanding at it, so hire somebody that has foresight at that position.

They've gotta bring an offensive minded or are great offensive mind and offensive coordinator with um, obviously a good defensive coordinator.

But it needs to be a rebuild mode, and that's where the Lions are indeed a dozen seasons in the league.

Next year will be year 13 somewhere, whether it's Detroit or elsewhere.

Dan really appreciate it.

Thank you for you key.

I just for one minute.

I got to get your opinion on Stafford.

Also.

Big story percolating in Detroit.

Rumors and rumors.

Hey, there is a college coach in Ann Arbor that's proven himself to be a really good coach in the NFL.

You can connect the dots there if you want.

A lot of people in Detroit are talking about that.

That maybe fantasy.

But would you move on from Stafford?

I probably would, um, because he has some value for somebody out there.

And, you know, we don't need to be trying to get a top five pick and all that unnecessary nonsense, but get some value for him, depending on what the salary cap hit is, um, and then move on and rebuild the whole entire situation.

Because much like Dan said, what has happened is Matt.

Patricia and Bob Quinn made a decision to build a team a certain way, and and now the new head coach in the new front office have to come in and see what players could fit the system that they will employ now.

And if that's part of it, then great.

And if not, then we could move on from it.

If it's the end like, how would you?

How would you sum it up?

Just big arm ton of yards.

Not a lot of winning.

Well, look, here's what I would say just for Matthew Stafford.

It's good.

The dance says that because they should basically give him a parting gift and say, You will move you to someone who could potentially use you and be a contender.

Somebody like a Chicago Bears in the future once they sort out their general manager head coach, quarterback situation, um, San Francisco, Once they figure out what they want to do with the quarterback spot, start to look to see what value you can get from Matthew Stafford.

Because this is probably a rebuild situation.

I don't know their roster from head to toe.

I mean, you know, from the front to the back, I could certainly see that there's a couple pieces that's in play, but not enough to be competitive in this league.

And it's geared toward what Bob Quinn and my Patricia wanted to do.

The general manager and head coach in terms of building things, they tor down and try to rebuild it from call well, and you see what has gotten them.

So to do matter favor you?

You You look to move him to a contender type team.

I like the recital line by our great producer, Evan Wilner says.

Move them to Chicago, bring him to Chicago, let him be a bear.

And also higher Jim Harbor.

And there you go.

You're a championship contender.

I don't know if hiring the gym hardball.

Really?

I mean, in Detroit.

Is it just that simple to take it from Michigan to Detroit?

Because that's the same fan base, right?

Maybe.

Maybe so, if you know he's a better professional coach.

Jim Harbaugh in Chicago, in Chicago.

Sorry, I'm thinking Chicago, Detroit, Chicago.

In Chicago.

Yeah, why not?

I mean, you're a defense in place.

Much like the defense was already in place when Singletary was the head coaching and hardball took over for Mike.

That defense was somewhat in place there.

Um, yeah, I like that.

You haven't props to you, Evan, but But then you're gonna Then you're going with the Hardball.

The Michigan Alum.

Hardball.

The Bears alum E.

If I want to repeat that because Thio Keys point.

Harbaugh was the Bears quarterback.

How do you want to repeat that?

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