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  • which do a would you say is closest to LeBron and Anthony Davis?

  • Well, they are number one, obviously, two MVP caliber players on the same team.

  • And you could even argue the one and two players in the game at the moment on the same team there.

  • Historically, great.

  • They match up.

  • You could match them up against the greatest combos of all time, and they would hold their own.

  • And we saw that Yo, Kitchen Murray were not a match for them.

  • I'm not gonna take your kitchen, Murray, for that reason, but I am gonna take two guys off a team that I said was my was, I think, the second best team in the West this season.

  • And and that's the Dallas Mavericks.

  • I'm gonna take dock itch and and poor Zynga's on, I'll tell you why.

  • First of all, gonna start with poor Zynga's.

  • Don't think about poor Zynga's as you've seen him recently, because he's trending in the right direction.

  • Think of him on the Knicks, right?

  • When we last saw him on the Knicks before the injury, he was averaging around 23 points.

  • He was shooting a lot from three and shooting around 40% from three.

  • And he was blocking like 2.5 shots per game.

  • He could defend in space for a guy his size, especially he could defend the rim.

  • He was a defensive game changer.

  • He would come in the game the entire offensive.

  • The other team would immediately change.

  • He just makes the other offense much less effective.

  • In fact, I thought of him back then, as primarily his primary value was on defense.

  • But then he was giving you 23 points a game and trending toward Mawr.

  • He looked to me like he was going to win an M.

  • V P in his career looked like that type of player to me, so I was a unicorn.

  • He's, you know, picture Kareem with two inches Maurin height, but he can shoot the three.

  • Not these Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

  • But you get this point like think of these one of these really, really tall guys now give him two inches more in height, make him like a really good defender for the modern game and let him shoot the three.

  • That was poor Zynga's.

  • Now he got hurt.

  • Catastrophic injury.

  • It takes a while to get back, not only on the court, but then to get back to where you were.

  • I still don't think that he is where he was at the time of the injury.

  • Originally he got his, he got another procedure on his knee.

  • They're gonna be very careful with him.

  • He's gonna miss, like, the first month or something like that.

  • But presuming he gets back not only to where he was but on his upward trajectory, that's he's a monster, and he's not even the best player on the team.

  • The best player on the team is Luca Donkeys, who I believe will win the MVP this year.

  • The dude almost averaged a triple double with 30 points for a winning team.

  • He was a monster in the playoffs.

  • And by the way, there is room for improvement.

  • Yes, on the defensive end.

  • But even on the offensive end, he can shoot the three better than that.

  • You could see his form and see is going to be able to shoot the three better than that.

  • But he took a ton of game and by the way, was only hitting about under 32% of them.

  • What happens when he starts to hit 34 35% of them?

  • You know what's gonna happen?

  • What I just said.

  • 30 plus points with a triple double Onley.

  • Unlike hardened early in his career perk, he has shown the ability to elevate his play in the playoffs.

  • I think Dante is an M V P player or certainly an MVP caliber player.

  • Is that already?

  • And I think Porzingis is much closer to that than people realize.

  • They also both have really size.

  • There's no LeBron or aid.

  • I think those two will come closest this season.

  • Were you wrong, Max?

  • And it's not even close after LeBron and A D is Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving.

  • We're talking about two of the most skilled athletes toe ever.

  • Touch the damn basketball, and it's not even a debate.

  • When you look at Kevin Durant, he's the best score off all time.

  • Zero flaws offensively.

  • Underrated defender.

  • He is going to come back on the tower.

  • I told you this once before that he missed a year and a half of basketball for Katie.

  • That's torture, and he cannot wait to get back on the court And then you add Kyrie Irving, one of the best, if not the best ball handler, the best below the basket finisher that this game has ever laid his eyes on.

  • Comparing those two up on the same team.

  • They're gonna be a offensive.

  • Uh, they're gonna be on offensive.

  • It's gonna be a masterpiece What they're gonna be doing offensively and you look at Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving.

  • Both of those guys are capable off winning the M V p this year.

  • One of the other it could be Kevin Durant are Kyrie Irving.

  • If Kyrie Irving mine is right, he's one of the best point guards in the game today, if not the best point guard.

  • So you have two guys that cannot be guarded 101 that cannot be guarded by double team, two of guys that are the most skilled to ever play the game.

  • One of them is the best score to ever touch the basketball.

  • That is the second best duo behind LeBron James and Anthony Davis.

  • It is not even in the debate.

  • Look, no disrespect to Luca.

  • I'm a huge fan of Luca, but KP is not healthy, so he won't be starting the season.

  • We don't know how he's gonna come back.

  • Like you always say, Almost always.

  • If a guy have 33 surgeries on his knees at 72 he might not come back the same way, so we don't know how KP is gonna come back.

  • But we do know that at the start of the season we're going to see Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving.

  • So I know that much and they're the best.

  • They're the second best behind LeBron James and Anthony Davis.

  • Well, there's a lot wrong with what you just said.

  • Number one.

  • You're right about the niece, of course, and we have to see, although, although for Zynga's was very, very good when he was healthy in the playoffs last year.

  • And in fact, I thought with Porzingis and Dr John the Court, they were clearly better than the Clippers.

  • I think they would have won the Siri's if he stayed healthy, but he didn't stay healthy and that's legitimate.

  • You know what else?

  • He's not coming back from an Achilles perk.

  • K D is coming back from an Achilles and I know they're playing pickup ball and everything in California all these kind of things.

  • Let me see it on an MBA floor.

  • Let me see Durant still be Durant.

  • Then I might agree with you.

  • We haven't seen that yet.

  • And in terms of Kyrie Irving, not only has he had chemistry issues almost wherever he's gone, his presence on a team has somehow, even though I agree if it's a skills competition, just pure skills, obviously K d and Kyrie, because Kyrie might be the most skillful player I've ever seen.

  • You know, like Kobe Bryant, have a few guys where you think Oh my God, this they could do everything.

  • Kyrie is one of the best handles ever.

  • Kyrie can shoot the lights out.

  • Kyrie is the best finisher under the rim of all time, at least that I've ever laid.

  • My eyes just said it.

  • But to met too often, teams he's been on has been have not performed as well with him on it.

  • So, like, how do you figure that one?

  • And in terms of an M.

  • V.

  • P.

  • Kyrie is never sniffed.

  • An M V.

  • P.

  • Never sniffed that he's been in the league healthy in the league has been on great teams he's been on bad teams.

  • He's been the primary ball in the primary ball handler.

  • He's been on teams where his usage rate was not as high as that, great teammates, that he's been in the league a long time.

  • He has never sniffed an M V P perk.

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