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  • >> Stephen: WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.

  • LET'S SAY HELLO TO OUR FRIEND, MR. JON BATISTE.

  • HELLO, JON!

  • >> Jon: HELLO.

  • WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH YOU?

  • >> Stephen: CONGRATULATIONS, TWO GRAMMY NOMINATIONS TODAY!

  • >> Jon: YES, INDEED.

  • OH, I'M SO GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL THAT THE MUSIC IS CONNECTING

  • WITH PEOPLE AND ADDING TO PEOPLE'S LIVES.

  • >> Stephen: WELL BE DESERVED.

  • YOU AND WORRY WONG.

  • THAT'S THE NAME OF THAT ALBUM.

  • >> Jon: "MEDITATIONS."

  • "MEDICATIONS.

  • AND "CHRONOLOGY OF A DREAM."

  • YOU WERE THERE.

  • >> Stephen: I WAS THERE.

  • AS A MATTER OF FACT I WAS JUST LISTENING TO THE VERY THOUGHT OF

  • YOU, YOU AND RACHEL, THIS WEEKEND.

  • AMAZING.

  • >> Jon: OH, YES.

  • >> Stephen: YOU'VE GOT MY VOTE.

  • >> Jon: HEY, NOW, LET'S GET IT!

  • COME ON!

  • >> Stephen: LET'S SWING THIS ONE.

  • >> Jon: YEAH, YEAH.

  • >> Sephen: HEY, STICK AROUND, I'M ABOUT TO INTERVIEW BARACK

  • OBAMA.

  • I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE IT.

  • >> Jon: I HEARD, I HEARD.

  • I THINK I WILL.

  • >> Stephen: JON BATISTE, EVERYBODY.

  • >> Jon: LATER ON.

  • >> Stephen: THANKS, JON.

  • FOLKS, YESTERDAY, I HAD THE HONOR TO SIT DOWN WITH OUR 44th

  • PRESIDENT, BARACK OBAMA, WHOSE NEW BOOK, "A PROMISED LAND," IS

  • OUT NOW.

  • JIM?

  • WELL, PRESIDENT OBAMA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME TODAY.

  • >> IT IS WONDERFUL TO BE HERE.

  • THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

  • >> Stephen: IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU.

  • >> IT IS GOOD-- IT IS GOOD TO BE SEEN.

  • I'VE BEEN SEEING YOU ON TELEVISION, BUT IT'S GOOD TO SEE

  • YOU IN PERSON.

  • >> Stephen: THAT'S NICE.

  • HOW OLD ARE YOU?

  • ARE YOU-- ARE YOU-- ARE YOU 18 AND 54?

  • >> I'M NOT THE DEMOGRAPHIC YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.

  • >> Stephen: IT DOESN'T COUNT.

  • I APOLOGIZE, IT DOESN'T COUNT.

  • >> MICHELLE SAYS HEY.

  • >> Stephen: GOOD.

  • >> YOU KNOW SHE LOVES YOU.

  • >> Stephen: I HAVE REALLY ENJOYED SPENDING TIME WITH HER

  • OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

  • >> I KNOW, AND SHE ADORS YOU.

  • SHE THINKS THE WORLD OF YOU.

  • I THINK YOU'RE OKAY.

  • >> Stephen: CAN WE JUST TAKE MOMENT-- I CAN JUST-- AND I WANT

  • TO TALK.

  • I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO DRINK YOU IN FOR JUST A MOMENT.

  • BECAUSE I'M HAVING TO GET USED TO LOOKING AT A PRESIDENT.

  • ( LAUGHING ) AGAIN.

  • YOU KNOW, I'VE GOTTEN OUT OF-- I'VE GOTTEN OUT OF THE HABIT.

  • I HAVE TO WARM UP FOR JOE BIDEN.

  • I DON'T WANT TO PULL ANYTHING WHEN I SEE HIM TAKE THE OATH OF

  • OFFICE.

  • YOU HAVE TO EASE ME INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT.

  • >> JOE'S GOING TO BE AGREEMENT.

  • >> Stephen: I HAVE NO DOUBT.

  • >> AND KAMALA IS GOING TO BE GREAT.

  • THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE BIG CHALLENGES AHEAD, BUT, YOU KNOW,

  • WE'VE GOT THE POTENTIAL OF RETURNING TO A PRESIDENCY THAT

  • IS ACTUALLY PAYING ATTENTION AND TRYING TO DO RIGHT BY ALL PEOPLE

  • AND NOT JUST SOME.

  • >> Stephen: A LOT OF ANNOUNCEMENTS OF CABINET

  • POSITIONS OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS?

  • >> YES, PEOPLE I KNOW.

  • >> Stephen: GUYS YOU KNOW.

  • THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF RETURN TO THE SORT OF-- THE STABILITY

  • AND-- WHAT'S THAT WORD?

  • COMPETENCY.

  • ( LAUGHS ) OF YOUR EIGHT YEARS.

  • WHICH IS NOVEL.

  • WHICH IS AS GOOD AS A VACATION RIGHT NOW, SOMEBODY THAT

  • ACTUALLY WANTS TO DO THE JOB THEY'RE HIRED TO DO.

  • THAT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA, ISN'T IT.

  • >> Stephen: AND HAS EXPERIENCE, AND HAS READ ABOUT

  • STUFF, AND KNOWS WHERE COUNTRIES ARE.

  • IT'S GREAT.

  • >> Stephen: SO, HOW YOU BEEN?

  • HOW YOU BEEN THE LAST FOUR YEARS?

  • I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF YOU.

  • >> NO.

  • >> Stephen: AND IT'S BEEN KIND OF-- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN

  • PAYING ATTENTION-- IT'S BEEN KIND OF CRAZY OUT HERE.

  • ( LAUGHING ) WE'RE ALL-- WE'RE ALL A LITTLE

  • TIRED.

  • THIS IS HOW I WANT TO SIT.

  • THIS IS MY ACTUAL-- THIS IS AMERICA'S POSTURE.

  • WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LIKE A BONED FISH RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S ONE OF

  • THE REASONS WHY IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU.

  • SO I'M-- >> LISTEN, I'M-- I AM GOOD.

  • >> Stephen: YEAH.

  • >> BUT I THINK THAT I-- I AM TYPICAL OF A LOT OF US WHO ARE

  • LUCKY ENOUGH THAT OUR JOBS HAVEN'T BEEN ENDANGERED, BECAUSE

  • I WAS ALREADY OUT OF A JOB AS A- AS A CONSEQUENCE OF COVID.

  • >> Stephen: DO YOU HAVE ANY PROSPECTS?

  • >> I HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY IN MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY GET SICK.

  • YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE BILLS.

  • AND, YOU KNOW, SO ON THE ONE HAND, WE'VE HAD OUR GIRLS AT

  • HOME.

  • THAT HAS BEEN A COMPLETE JOY FOR US.

  • I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM.

  • AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE-- I THINK I'VE USED THIS PHRASE

  • BEFORE-- THE SHAMBOLIC NATURE OF THE GOVERNMENT RESPONSE,

  • OBVIOUSLY, HAS BEEN FRUSTRATING.

  • >> Stephen: ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU LEFT A GAME PLAN.

  • >> YES.

  • >> Stephen: FOR THIS VERY SPECIFIC THING.

  • AND TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU LEFT.

  • >> YES, YES.

  • >> Stephen: WHAT WAS THAT LIKE TO WATCH THIS RESPONSE?

  • THAT-- THAT'S THE FRUSTRATION.

  • THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN HARD FOR ANYONE.

  • I MEAN, YOU SEE EVEN PEOPLE LIKE ANGELA MERKEL WHO IS HERSELF A

  • SCIENTIST, EXEMPLARY, BUT YOU STILL SEE SOME SPIKES IN

  • GERMANY.

  • BUT LET'S TAKE CANADA, WHERE THE DEATH RATE IS 39% OURS PER

  • CAPITA, RIGHT.

  • THAT-- THAT'S A MEASURE OF IF WE HAD DONE THE WORK THAT WAS NOT

  • ROCKET SCIENCE, RIGHT.

  • WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT INNING VACCINES-- I'M GLAD TO SEE THE

  • VACCINES COMING ON BOARD.

  • BUT PRELIMINARILY COMMUNICATING EFFECTIVELY, RESPECTING THE

  • SCIENCE, NOT UNDERMINING THE LEADING EPIDEMIOLOGIST IN THE

  • COUNTRY AND SAYING, HE'S AN IDIOT.

  • YOU KNOW, BEING CONSISTENT IN TERMS OF MASKS AND SOCIAL

  • DISTANCING, NOT SUGGESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOME ACT OF

  • OPPRESSION BUT RATHER JUST A COMMONNED SENSE THING TO PREVENT

  • PEOPLE FROM GETTING SICK.

  • HAD WE JUST TAKEN THOSE STEPS, THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT WE WOULD

  • HAVE SAVED SOME LIVES.

  • AND, IRONICALLY, THE ECONOMY WOULD BE BETTER BECAUSE WE WOULD

  • NOT BE SWINGING BACK AND FORTH IN THE WAYS THAT WE HAVE, AND

  • PEOPLE WOULD FEEL MORE CONFIDENCE ABOUT MAKING

  • DAY-TO-DAY DECISIONS ABOUT SHOPPING OR, YOU KNOW, GOING

  • OUT.

  • >> Stephen: BESIDES THE OBVIOUS NATURE OF THE

  • RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO.

  • >> YES.

  • >> Stephen: AND IS THE ECONOMICALLY VITAL THING TO DO,

  • ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT THEY DID NOT SEE THE POLITICAL ADVANTAGE

  • OF LOOKING LIKE YOU CARED.

  • >> YES.

  • AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A MEASURE OF HOW DETACHED FROM

  • REALITY AND HOW EMBEDDED IDEOLOGICAL AND CONSPIRATORIAL

  • THINKING HAS BECOME, WHERE YOU'RE DOING IT EVEN WHEN IT'S

  • TO YOUR DISADVANTAGE, RIGHT.

  • IN YOUR ORIGINAL SHOW, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A-- YOU'RE

  • SATIRIZING A CERTAIN ATTITUDE.

  • BUT YOU NEVER THOUGHT THAT FOLKS WOULD ACTUALLY START BELIEVING.

  • >> Stephen: I DID NOT KNOW I WAS A PROPHET.

  • I THOUGHT I WAS A COMEDIAN.

  • >> YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE A COMEDIAN.

  • BUT NOW YOU'RE-- YOU COULDN'T MAKE UP SOME OF THE STUFF THAT

  • YOU'RE SEEING.

  • AND IT IS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE COUNTRY, BUT AS YOU SAID,

  • IT'S ALSO-- IT RUNS CONTRARY TO WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SMART

  • POLITICS IF, YOU KNOW, THE REPUBLICANS WANTED TO MAINTAIN

  • THE WHITE HOUSE.

  • AND THAT IN SOME WAYS IS MORE TROUBLING BECAUSE NOW IT'S NO

  • LONGER EVEN STRATEGIC.

  • IT IS-- YOU'RE DRINKING YOUR OWN KOOL-AID IN A WAY THAT I THINK

  • IS TROUBLESOME.

  • AND ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES THAT JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO HAVE

  • IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUNCTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION

  • BUBBLE THAT-- NOT JUST REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS, BUT A

  • SIZABLE PORTION OF VOTERS ARE IN RIGHT NOW.

  • >> Stephen: THAT GETS YOU TO A QUESTION THAT'S BURIED DEEP IN

  • THESE PAGES RIGHT HERE, BUT IT COULD BE THE ONLY QUESTION I

  • ASKED YOU UPON.

  • IF I ONLY HAD ONE QUESTION TO ASK YOU RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE,

  • "WHAT HAPPENS NOW?" WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS NOW WHEN

  • YOU HAVE HALF OR 70% OF THE REPUBLICANS, SO MAYBE ABOUT 40%

  • OF THE PUBLIC THINK THAT JOE BIDEN WON BY CHEATING, AND THEY

  • BELIEVE THAT ALL THESE FANTASIES BEING PROMULGATED ABOUT

  • DEMOCRATIC CABALS THAT SEEM TO BE PULLING THE STRINGS IN

  • STATES, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES.

  • HOW DO YOU THEN SPEAK TO THOSE PEOPLE, EVEN IF YOU ARE SOMEONE

  • LIKE JOE BIDEN WHO'S CAPABLE, BELIEVES IN A GOVERNMENT DOING

  • THE JOB TO SERVE THE PEOPLE, AND IS EMPATHETIC TO THE CONCERNS

  • AND NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM-- AND WE'LL

  • GET TO EVENTUALLY.

  • PART OF WHAT I THINK IS EXTRAORDINARY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE

  • ABOUT TO GO THROUGH IS YOU KNOW THAT JOE BIDEN ACTUALLY DOES

  • CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM.

  • >> YEAH.

  • >> Stephen: AND WHY THEY DIDN'T AND WHAT THEY THINK.

  • HOW DOES HE REACH THOSE PEOPLE?

  • >> WELL, LOOK, I THINK HE'S IN A GOOD POSITION TO MAKE THE

  • EFFORT.

  • THE FACT THAT HE WON IS INDICATIVE OF THE MESSAGE HE

  • SENT OF WANTING TO UNIFY THE COUNTRY.

  • I DO THINK PEOPLE ARE EXHAUSTED BY JUST THIS KNOW--, YOU KNOW,

  • WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION CONSTANT CAGE MATCH.

  • AND PEOPLE JUST WANT TO FEEL AS IF A DAY PASSES WITHOUT IT BEING

  • DOMINATED BY SOMETHING CRAZY COMING OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.

  • >> Stephen: THAT PHOTO OPPORTUNITY AFTER Y'ALL HAD HAD

  • YOUR CONVERSATION IN THE OVAL OFFICE-- AND I DON'T WANT TO

  • SPEN A LOT OF TIME.

  • I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT A LOT FOR FOUR YEARS,

  • AND I'VE HAD MY FILL.

  • BUT THAT I WAS A CHILLING MOMENT FOR ME TO WATCH BECAUSE I

  • PERCEIVED FOR THAT MOMENT THE DIGNITY OF THE OFFICE, OR RATHER

  • THE TRAPPINGS OF DIGNITY AND STATUS THAT FALLS UPON-- RIGHTLY

  • FALLS UPON THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THAT OFFICE IN THAT MOMENT.

  • AND I SAW THE WAY-- OR RATHER I HAD AN EMOTIONAL FLASH OF ALL

  • THE WAYS THAT COULD BE ABUSED OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

  • WERE YOU HAVING A SIMILAR FEELING IN THAT MOMENT?

  • >> YEAH, IT WAS A CONCERN.

  • >> Stephen: AND WERE THOSE CONCERNS BORNE OUT OVER THE NEXT

  • FOUR YEARS?

  • >> EXCEEDED.

  • >> Stephen: THANK YOU.

  • MR. PRESIDENT, WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK, BUT STICK AROUND

  • EVERYBODY, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA.

>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.

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President Barack Obama Shares His Frustrations About The White House's Failed Pandemic Response

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