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  • -My first guests tonight are co-hosts of "Morning Joe,"

  • which airs weekday mornings at 6:00 a.m. on MSNBC.

  • Here are Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski!

  • -Hey, how you doing? -Nice to see you.

  • There's a lot I want to talk to you both about.

  • First of all, thank you for just surviving this election cycle.

  • This has been pretty crazy. -Or a presidency.

  • -Yeah, no, it's been a crazy four or five years,

  • so I think all of us are exhausted.

  • We actually thought before 2016 --

  • we told our boss, Phil Griffin, at MSNBC.

  • I said, "Listen, after Hillary wins, this is exhausting."

  • -Take a break. -"We're going to take --

  • we're going to take about a two-month break."

  • -[ Laughs ] -And that never happened.

  • -Never. -No.

  • And I also want to mention, congrats on your anniversary.

  • Is it two years married for you guys?

  • -[ Laughs ] -Well, you know,

  • it's very interesting, Jimmy, you say that.

  • Actually, I know that. -Thank you!

  • I know that too. -And you know that.

  • -I know that. -Uh-oh.

  • -But right before we came on the show,

  • I turned to Mika... -No, I know that.

  • -...and I said, "Hey, do you know what today is, honey?"

  • And she said, "Uh, no, why?" -No, come on.

  • -Oh, my goodness. -It's our two-year anniversary.

  • She still doesn't know what month I was born in.

  • So that's my birthday. -Listen.

  • -So it doesn't matter. -When we did the show

  • this morning and I said what the date was to everybody,

  • something hit me that it was a special day.

  • -You knew it was special. -No.

  • -Yeah. -It was something about it.

  • -Something. -Some of us -- Some of us knew

  • it was special, and it really is now.

  • Now it's doubly special.

  • Congrats on that, guys.

  • I love seeing you guys together.

  • I love seeing you separately as well.

  • But together, it's unbelievable. It's magic.

  • You guys were hosting a special Saturday edition.

  • They kept adding these special editions of your show,

  • of "Morning Joe." -Yeah, it just kept going.

  • -And, man, I honestly -- I applaud you.

  • Thank you so much.

  • The American people thank you for just being on the air.

  • But you -- MSNBC made the call

  • that Joe Biden had become President-elect.

  • Joe, what was it like for you to make that announcement?

  • -Well, you know, something happened to me

  • that's never happened before in like -- what? --

  • 17 years in television.

  • I had somebody say into my ear that Joe Biden is going...

  • -Alex. -...to be the 46th President

  • of the United States. Our EP Alex said that.

  • And I was supposed to, you know, do the Brian Williams --

  • "We have just received..." -He's good at it.

  • -"...word that Joe Biden

  • will be the next President of the United States."

  • I got, "Joe Biden is," and then I had to stop.

  • -And I got worried. -The last thing I wanted to do

  • was have anybody hear any emotion in my voice.

  • We were, especially since it was election coverage,

  • I wanted to play it straight down the middle.

  • Everybody knew that we were supporting

  • Joe Biden over President Trump.

  • But at the same time,

  • the last thing I wanted to do was get emotional.

  • -Start crying. -With a Cronkite moment,

  • taking off my glasses.

  • So I said, "Mika." -Yeah.

  • -And she said -- then she did the whole thing.

  • -Well, your work has paid off.

  • MSNBC and your show in particular

  • have been fantastic in the ratings.

  • So congrats on that if that makes you feel any better.

  • But I don't even know if you care.

  • At this point, you're like, "Let's just --"

  • -Nope. -"We just want a weekend off."

  • -Yes. -Yeah, exactly.

  • -It feels like there's never been a slow news day

  • during Trump's presidency.

  • -There hasn't been.

  • In fact, since the campaign, and as Joe said, we wanted --

  • every time you would want to take a break,

  • every time you go take a break, it follows you.

  • And now, literally, in this pandemic,

  • you cannot leave your job.

  • It is there with you 24/7.

  • And with this president,

  • it has been one you-know-what after another.

  • -Yeah, is this going to change the pace

  • of all news shows in general?

  • -I hope. I mean, don't you hope?

  • -Yeah.

  • -I'd take boring.

  • We can't wait to be boring.

  • -[ Laughing ] Yeah. -Yeah, I mean, I do think,

  • though, actually one of the problems

  • over the past four years --

  • actually probably over the past couple of decades --

  • is that politics has become a blood sport.

  • People turn to their channel.

  • -You call it a shock opera.

  • -Yeah, it is a shock opera,

  • and people root for their team, root for their side.

  • -I think we've been desensitized as well

  • to shocking news from the presidency.

  • And it's going to take a long time to unwind this,

  • no matter what side of this you're on.

  • -Yeah, and both sides watch your show.

  • I will say that, too.

  • I mean, it's good to have the conversation with them.

  • -Absolutely. -Yeah, it is.

  • And I think, you know, we used to go and give an awful lot

  • of speeches to civic groups,

  • and we just stopped doing it over the past several years

  • in colleges because things became so intense.

  • It used to be that Mika would get up

  • and she would take the more liberal view.

  • I'd take the more conservative view.

  • -We switched all around.

  • -We had this really fun back-and-forth.

  • And let's just say the fun has gone away a little bit

  • in the past couple years when it comes to talking about politics.

  • Let's hope we can get back to a place where we can talk civilly

  • about it again and at least be operating

  • from the same set of facts.

  • -[ Chuckles ] Well, Jimmy, when the show started --

  • So, I was sort of the straight man.

  • And then I saw myself on "Saturday Night Live"

  • and realized what's happened over the past four years

  • is we've switched roles. -Yeah.

  • -And I've become the crazy one. -You know, the funny thing is

  • everybody called us -- -He's driven me crazy!

  • -Not me -- Donald Trump.

  • -Do you think that he is going to concede?

  • No, he's not going to concede, right, Mika?

  • -Nope. -No.

  • -We have a bet on this.

  • That's all I'm going to say, and I'm going to win.

  • And it's a lot because I bet --

  • when I bet, I bet for a lot of money.

  • -Yeah.

  • Joe, why do you think that it's taking so long for Republicans

  • to acknowledge Biden's win?

  • -Yeah, I wish I knew.

  • You know, I was -- These people were my colleagues.

  • I served with them... -Your friends.

  • -...when I was young.

  • When I was 30, I got elected to Congress

  • and I served with a lot of these people

  • for eight years in Congress.

  • Seven, eight years in Congress.

  • And I've known them for almost a quarter of a century,

  • and I just don't recognize some of them.

  • I mean, these are people that we worked together.

  • We fought the good fight together.

  • We were used to -- you know, there were a lot of times

  • when many of us were trying to run Newt Gingrich out of town

  • and sort of leading a coup against his speakership.

  • And we were doing it because we didn't feel like

  • he was following his word, that he was keeping his word.

  • And to see a lot of these people just sort of blindly follow

  • Donald Trump over the past four years and say nothing

  • when President Trump actually was talking the last two weeks

  • of the campaign about throwing Joe Biden in jail,

  • having his attorney general throw Joe Biden in jail.

  • That's something that happens in Russia.

  • It's bizarre, and I just kept waiting for

  • my friends to speak up, and they just didn't do it.

  • -You never got, like, a little wink,

  • like a little Jack Nicholson, like "Cuckoo's Nest" like --

  • -Yeah. -Nothing.

  • -Nothing. -Yeah, they all do.

  • No, they will all give you the little wink off camera.

  • And they go, "Yeah, we know he's crazy. Yeah, yeah.

  • But that really does none of us any good.

  • People needed to start saying it on camera,

  • and for whatever reason,

  • they just couldn't bring themselves to do it.

  • -There's more I want to talk to you guys about.

  • Can you stick around for a couple more minutes?

  • -Would love to. -Absolutely.

-My first guests tonight are co-hosts of "Morning Joe,"

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Mika Brzezinski Helped Joe Scarborough Not Get Emotional Announcing Joe Biden’s Win

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    林宜悉 posted on 2020/11/25
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